#379: Can I Get Back Up When I Want To Give Up? With Shawn Johnson
4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild
Release Date: 12/04/2025
4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild
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info_outlineWhen life gets hard—really hard—it can be tempting to throw in the towel. But today you’re going to hear an incredibly powerful testimony of why you shouldn’t.
Pastor Shawn Johnson talks about how he received a devastating brain disease diagnosis that left him wrestling with despair, doubt, and the desire to give up on everything, including his faith and his future. But through vulnerability, community, and choosing to worship even in the middle of his pain, Shawn discovered that joy can coexist with suffering.
He'll give you three reasons to keep fighting as well as seven strategies for resilience to help you hold on to hope when everything in you wants to let go. You’ll learn how to balance vulnerability with strength, humility with courage, and faith with perseverance—so one day you can look back and say, “Thank God I didn’t give up, because look what God has done!”
This was such a deeply meaningful conversation that I decided to end this episode by singing over you a song I wrote called “Take Me to the Cross,” because that’s the place we all need most.
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