S5 EY12: Dogs, Snakes and Safety: Honest Conversations About Bush Kindy Challenges
Educator Yarns with Jessica Staines & Bec Burch
Release Date: 06/22/2025
Educator Yarns with Jessica Staines & Bec Burch
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info_outlineIn this honest and practical episode of Educator Yarns, Jessica Staines and Bec Burch tackle the concerns many early childhood educators face when taking children out of the gate and onto Country.
Rather than sugar-coating the challenges, they share real experiences from the field - from unexpected encounters with dogs and community members to navigating snake safety and supporting children with additional needs.
Drawing from years of experience in bush kindy programs across Australia, they demonstrate how careful planning, community partnerships, and cultural awareness can transform perceived risks into manageable learning opportunities.
This episode offers invaluable insights for educators looking to embed Aboriginal perspectives through authentic connection to Country whilst addressing the very real anxieties about outdoor learning environments.
Key Takeaways:
- Dogs pose the most common unpredictable challenge in community spaces - teaching children safety responses like "be boring" (crouching down, avoiding eye contact) and partnering with councils for better signage can effectively manage this risk
- Risk detection skills are naturally activated in nature spaces - research shows children experience fewer injuries outdoors than in standardised playgrounds because natural environments prompt cautious, measured movement
- Snake encounters are remarkably rare despite being educators' primary fear - establishing clear protocols like "snake freeze" and conducting thorough site checks significantly reduces already minimal risks
- Community engagement enriches programs - encounters with bird watchers, Landcare groups, and council workers often lead to valuable learning opportunities, though having strategies for inappropriate interactions is essential
- Proactive planning prevents most challenges - conducting site visits at program times, developing weather contingency plans, establishing backup locations, and partnering with local emergency services creates comprehensive safety frameworks
- Children with additional needs benefit significantly from nature experiences - successful inclusion strategies include visual supports, modified transitions, bringing familiar comfort items, and gradually building outdoor experiences
- Regional contexts require unique approaches - from crocodile awareness in North Queensland to emu safety in Broken Hill, consulting local knowledge and Aboriginal communities ensures culturally and environmentally appropriate practices
- Environmental hazards vary by location - testing water quality, checking for sharps, monitoring for falling branches, and understanding local wildlife patterns demonstrates responsible risk management
- Backup sites and flexible planning are essential - having multiple location options and clear communication protocols with families allows programs to adapt to unexpected circumstances like council works or transport issues
- Starting small builds confidence - beginning with short visits, practising safety protocols within the service, and gradually extending experiences helps both educators and children develop competence in outdoor settings
The wisdom shared in this episode reminds us that whilst taking children onto Country requires thoughtful preparation, the perceived risks often overshadow the minimal actual dangers. By developing strong partnerships with local communities, embedding consistent safety practices, and maintaining open communication with families, educators can confidently facilitate these vital connections to Country.
Remember, Aboriginal peoples have been safely navigating these environments with children since time immemorial - with proper planning and respect for Country, modern educators can continue this tradition.
Ready to take the next step? Start small, plan thoroughly, and trust in children's innate ability to navigate natural spaces with appropriate support.
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