Men of Steel
This week on Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by writer and critic Jesse Fresco to dig into the early 2000s series Cla$$War. We unpack the political fury, superhero deconstruction, and lasting relevance of this overlooked gem from the Bush-era boom in gritty, socially charged comics. #MenOfSteelPod #Cla$$War #RobWilliams #SupermanAdjacent #JesseFresco #ComicsPodcast Support us on Patreon! patreon.com/CertainPOVMedia Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: August 15, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Certain Point Of View is a podcast...
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On this heartfelt installment of Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by Ryan Luis Rodriguez (One Track Mind, Reels of Justice) to discuss the powerful documentary Super/Man: The Christopher Reeve Story. We reflect on Reeve’s legacy as both a performer and a real-life hero, unpack the emotional depth of the film, and celebrate the enduring impact of the Man of Steel. #ChristopherReeve #Superman #SuperManDocumentary #MenOfSteelPod #ReelsOfJustice #OneTrackMind Find Ryan at: and Overview Episode 150 of the Men of Steel podcast celebrates hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson's...
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There’s a new Superman movie out so OBVIOUSLY we’re covering it! It’s a big enough deal that we even got CPOV Founder Addy Thomas to come out of podcast retirement and join us for the main discussion! On top of that we solicited feedback from our listeners and, boy, did they deliver! Tune in for our thoughts and the thoughts of: Alex Ramsey Ben Haslar Derek Van Dyke Ed Gross JD Martin Jesse Fresco Jim Fetters Keith Lehtinen Lee Greger Logan Crowley Matt aka Stormageddon Michael Stumbo Nic Woolfe Richard Snyder Ryan Luis Rodriguez
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On this episode of Men of Steel, Case and Jmike are joined by nerd about town Adam Lance Garcia to dive into one of the perenial crossovers of the '70s: Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man! We talk tabloid-sized team-ups, Bronze Age bravado, and what happens when DC and Marvel let their icons share a skyline. Who wins? … I mean… It’s Superman. It’s obviously Superman. But that said, it’s a blast of a conversation, so tune in, True Believers! Check out Adam's Stuff: The Green Lama: From A Certain Point of View: Overview Adam Lance Garcia, an established Star...
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Supergirl crashes to Earth, and we’re ready to talk fashion, fights, and Fourth World politics. Joined by Alex and Amanda from Night of the Batman, we revisit the iconic Superman/Batman arc “The Supergirl From Krypton” and its animated adaptation “Superman/Batman: Apocalypse”, but which version flies higher? Check out Alex and Amanda’s stuff: SSYSK LINK: FLASHBACKS FLASH REWATCH POD: NIGHT OF THE BATMEN: OUR CROSSOVER WITH MEN OF STEEL: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/night-of-the-batmen-podcast/id1663635355?i=1000674213822 REVIEWMORE GIRLS GILMORE GIRLS REWATCH POD:...
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Marvel's The Incredible Hulk wanders around the desert and then stumbles into the middle of a barbecue and that interferes with Superman getting a milkshake. Hilarity ensues. But in all seriousness, this is a great comic! Join us for our discussion about it with Logan Crowley! Men of Steel Full Episode Originally aired: June 6, 2025 Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Scored by Geoff Moonen Overview In this episode of the podcast, hosts Case Aiken and Jmike welcome back guest Logan Crowley to delve into the thrilling crossover comic "The Incredible Hulk vs. Superman" from the DC vs. Marvel...
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Marvel's Most Wanted are here to deliver some Justice like Lightning! Case and Jmike reflect on the latest MCU entry, Thunderbolts*, with friend of the show, Joe Mastropiero. Overview In the latest episode of the podcast, hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson, along with guest Joe Mastropiero, delve into Marvel's Thunderbolts movie, connecting its themes to the recently released Superman trailer. They discuss the film's characters, including Yelena, Bucky, and the controversial Sentry, addressing how the characters' darker backstories lend themselves to a redemption arc that deviates from their...
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Case and Jmike are joined by Logan Crowley to discuss one of the few times where Superman is the underdog in the story, when he crossed over with the Silver Surfer! Overview In the latest episode of the podcast, hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson welcome guest Logan Crowley to discuss the recently published DC versus Marvel omnibus, centering on the 90s crossover story featuring Silver Surfer and Superman. The hosts delve into character power dynamics, plot setups, and the comic's creative team while highlighting their appreciation for artists like Ron Lim and writers like George...
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Case and Jmike are joined by Ed Gross to talk about his books on Superman! Overview In this engaging podcast interview, hosts Case Aiken and Jmike welcome Ed Gross, a prolific author known for his in-depth oral histories, particularly focusing on Superman. The conversation begins with an exploration of Ed’s background and his extensive work, including the recently released 'The Definitive History of Superman' and the ambitious 'Voices from Krypton,' which features insights from 250 interviews. Ed shares the intricate process behind creating oral histories, akin...
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Case and Jmike are joined by Doug Lief (from the Nostalgium Arcanum podcast) to talk about a family that's pretty super, The Incredibles! Overview In Podcast episode 142 of Men of Steel, hosts Case Aiken and Jmike Folson, alongside guest Doug Lief, delve into a comprehensive analysis of Disney's The Incredibles through the lens of Superman fandom. They explore the film's connections to other superhero media, notably its references to 60s Batman and Fleischer Superman, while debating the film's overall tone, which Case describes as having an 'angry' directorial...
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- Class War comic serves as a political commentary on post-9/11 America, initially conceived as a 12-issue series but only 6 issues were published between 2002 and 2004.
- Writer Rob Williams influenced by Bill Hicks and Marvel's Miracle Man, blending humor with serious themes of government superhero programs.
- Characters feature a Superman-like hero and an Enola Gay team reflecting various archetypes, but backstory is minimal focusing more on action.
- The commentary emphasizes American superheroes as 'deterrents' entangled in corruption and drug operations rather than showcasing true class conflict.
- Artwork utilized innovative computer coloring for the early 2000s, with notable scenes praised for their intensity and execution.
- The series is linked to broader cultural events, including the Patriot Act and militarized entertainment, creating a lasting impact on the genre.
- Story arcs reveal escalating tensions, ending ambiguously without showing direct conflict or resolution in the finale.
- Hosts reflect on the comic's themes feeling 'adolescent' today, yet resonate with current events like rising political tensions and violence.
- Class War recommended alongside classics like The Authority and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, highlighted for its unfinished nature and mystique.
- The discussion underscores a shift in superhero portrayals, questioning the effectiveness of traditional heroes in the current socio-political landscape.
- Discussion of Class War comic as political commentary on post-9/11 America, described as 'what if Superman was pissed off about 9/11'.
- Jesse Fresco returns after Jaguar Sharks podcast ended in January, currently working on a novel after crossing 200 pages.
- Class War intended as 12-issue series but only 6 issues published - first 3 in 2002, final 3 in 2004 by Com X publisher.
- Notable art style change between Trevor Harrison (issues 1-3) and Travel Foreman (issues 4-6), both considered high quality for indie publication.
- Comic written before 9/11 but published after, coincidentally capturing post-9/11 American sentiment perfectly.
- Received major attention from Wizard magazine and early comic websites despite being small indie publication.
- Writer Rob Williams heavily influenced by comedian Bill Hicks, directly copying Kennedy assassination joke in comic.
- Williams cited Marvel Man/Miracle Man as major influence, both featuring government superhero programs with Nazi scientist connections.
- Superman-type character design with mostly white bodysuit, blue stripe, and star pattern - described as 'patriotic Apollo'.
- Minimal backstory provided beyond brief flashback showing protagonist's brother died of heroin overdose.
- Enola Gay superhero team includes The American, Heavyweight (Luke Cage-type), Icon (Wonder Woman analog), and Confusion (psychic character).
- Reveals American superheroes used as 'deterrents' rather than weapons, involved in drug trafficking operations.
- Despite title 'Class War,' actual class conflict rarely shown - more focused on government corruption than economic inequality.
- Problematic portrayal of Black character written by British creators, described as 'Mike Tyson as super soldier'.
- Utilized cutting-edge computer coloring and gradients that were revolutionary for early 2000s comics.
- Heavyweight vs American battle particularly praised, featuring brutal jaw-punching scene later parodied by Garth Ennis.
- Com X publisher folded after initial run, Image Comics later acquired reprint rights.
- Frequently compared to Warren Ellis's Authority series despite Williams claiming unfamiliarity.
- Influenced Garth Ennis's The Boys, Warren Ellis's Black Summer, and Mark Millar's War Heroes.
- Part of broader cultural shift including 'freedom fries,' Patriot Act, and militarized entertainment.
- Issue 1 - Superman burns 'LIAR' into President's forehead; Issue 2 - Heavyweight fight; Issue 3 - Bridge episode; Issues 4-6 - Government conspiracy revelation.
- Series ends with American and Isaac preparing for civil war, never showing actual conflict or resolution.
- Heavyweight confirmed killed by shield weapon, Jefferson transforms into monster.
- Comic feels 'adolescent' and 'naive' when read today, but captured appropriate anger for its time.
- Hosts discuss how recent events (CEO shooting, political tensions) make comic's themes more relevant.
- Question whether Superman-type heroes work in current political climate versus Punisher-style vigilantes.
- Recommended alongside The Authority, Garth Ennis's 303, and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies.
- Better remembered as unfinished work with mystique than potentially disappointing completion.
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