2932: Phil Heath Used Less PEDs Than Everyone Thought ; Here Is the Real Story
Release Date: 08/27/2026
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MAPS Abs and Butt: https://mapsabsandbutt.com Code: LAUNCH for 40% off. Includes Butt Building Diet Guide, Women's Supplement Guide, at-home dumbbell version and a free second program at checkout (Muscle Mommy or Muscle Mommy 15). In this episode the guys break down seven easy food swaps that lower calories, bump protein and still taste great — protein snacks over carb snacks (Crisp Power honey mustard), high-protein Greek yogurt desserts with cocoa whip and berries, shelled nuts instead of pre-shelled roasted ones, grass-fed beef over grain-fed (200-calorie difference in a 12oz ribeye), two...
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In this episode the guys sit down with seven-time Mr. Olympia Phil Heath for a wide-ranging conversation covering the military, faith, bodybuilding and business. Phil shares stories from years of USO tours — including a trip to Guantanamo Bay with the Most Interesting Man in the World, drinking the ceremonial grog three times at a Medal of Honor ceremony, and training with Marines on base. He breaks down how being a hyper responder shaped his approach to PEDs (less is more), the problem with influencers recommending a gram of testosterone or 400-500mg of Trenbolone to beginners, why he believes GLP-1s are essentially cheating in competition prep, why he thinks no one in the open division is bringing diet face anymore, how barbell rows and training back twice a week transformed his physique, the mental shift from training angry to training joyful after his faith walk, his four and a half years of depression post-retirement, how he turned down Hollywood roles he felt were degrading, and his anticipation of becoming a father for the first time at 46. The guys also get into bodybuilding prize money history — from $100K and a Hummer in the early Arnold years to Arnold and the Olympia now bidding against each other toward $750K and beyond.
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0:00 - Intro
1:59 - Phil's USO tours — Guantanamo Bay, Medal of Honor ceremonies and training with Marines
9:32 - How Phil is training now — 3-4 days a week, eating twice a day and prepping to have a kid
17:23 - Being a hyper responder — why Phil used less than most people think
23:05 - PED influencers recommending crazy doses to beginners — why Phil is frustrated
29:54 - The biggest training mistakes Phil sees today — speed, ego and no mind-muscle connection
40:27 - How barbell rows and training back twice a week transformed Phil's physique
42:34 - Why Phil cut arm training to every other week — and why it worked
51:44 - GLP-1s in professional bodybuilding — why Phil thinks over 90% are using them and why it's a problem
55:25 - Why no one has diet face anymore — inflammation, compounds and shortcuts showing up on stage
1:02:46 - Food poisoning at the 2009 Olympia — EMTs in his room until 6am the night before the show
1:13:02 - Phil's four and a half years of depression after retiring from bodybuilding
1:20:48 - Hollywood offers, "bucks breaking" and why Phil turned them down
1:24:26 - Transition from training angry to training joyful — the faith shift that changed everything
1:30:40 - Phil's path to fatherhood at 46 — what he's thinking and what he wants for his kid
1:47:22 - Bodybuilding prize money history — from $100K and a Hummer to Arnold vs. Olympia at $750K