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Episode 297 - In the Weeds with Charles Joly

The Modern Bar Cart Podcast

Release Date: 05/05/2025

Episode 308 - Your Whiskey Math is Bullsh*t show art Episode 308 - Your Whiskey Math is Bullsh*t

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Eric kicks off 2026 with an audio essay rant targeted at the ham-fisted "percentage" math that people use to answer the question: "How much of a whiskey's flavor comes from the barrel?" In the censored words of George Carlin: "It's all BS, and it's bad for ya." To demonstrate this, we sift through GC-MS whiskey sample results, human neurobiology, and behavioral economics. In the end, it's a poorly posed question invented to solve a problem that doesn't exist, and it colors our expectations about flavor in harmful ways.

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Episode 307 - Sacred Serves: The Rituals that Make Drinking Human show art Episode 307 - Sacred Serves: The Rituals that Make Drinking Human

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This time around, we’ll be taking a look at drinking rituals from around the world. A few months back, my friend  asked me to write an article about drinking rituals for her new publication, . She has graciously agreed to let me read the article on-air and give you all a bit of a “Director’s Cut” version of the article, entitled: . For those of you who have the opportunity to enjoy a few drinks with family and friends this holiday season, I hope some of these thoughts about the importance of ritual, hospitality, gratitude, and the sometimes radical act of coming together can help...

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Episode 306 - The Bartender's Manifesto with Toby Maloney show art Episode 306 - The Bartender's Manifesto with Toby Maloney

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Eric interviews Toby Maloney () about his award-winning book, . Some of the topics covered in this conversation include: How Toby thinks about cocktail development, including the importance of inspiration, intention, comfort, and curiosity The importance of curated attention in the creative process, allowing you to notice aspects  of the world around you that can be used as inspiration and structural components for cocktail building A live cocktail development case study, where Toby and Eric riff on a menu prompt and create their very own custom cocktail worthy of inclusion on a...

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Episode 305 - Building Iconic Bar Programs with Toby Maloney show art Episode 305 - Building Iconic Bar Programs with Toby Maloney

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In this modern classic conversation with bartender and beverage consultant , some of the topics we discuss include: Toby’s journey through the food and beverage world, from bussing and dishwashing, to culinary school, to tending bar, eventually landing gigs at famous venues like Milk & Honey, and Pegu Club, and going on to open The Violet Hour in Chicago. The decisions and philosophies (plus the techniques and ingredients) that allowed Toby and his cohort at The Violet Hour to open the hearts and minds of the people of Chicago to the paradigm shift that was the Cocktail Renaissance....

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Episode 304 - The Cigar Blend Dilemma with Maggie Kimberl show art Episode 304 - The Cigar Blend Dilemma with Maggie Kimberl

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In this smokey, robust conversation with cigar and whiskey expert (), some of the topics we discuss include: A working definition of “cigar blend whiskey,” plus some specific thoughts on the ideal proof point for these types of blends. The two primary pairing strategies that you can use to pair any two items in the flavor world, whether you’re talking about wine and food, whiskey and cigars, or even building the perfect charcuterie bite. How to think about “flexibility” in the whiskey and cigar pairing space. Essentially: is a given whiskey designed to pair with a wide range of...

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Episode 303 - The Official Rum of Leisure with Malcolm Gosling Jr. show art Episode 303 - The Official Rum of Leisure with Malcolm Gosling Jr.

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In this smooth-sailing conversation with Malcolm Gosling Jr., 8th generation steward of the company, some of the topics we discuss include: How a lapsed ship charter to Virginia kicked off the Gosling family’s spirited enterprise on the humble 21 square mile rock in the middle of the Atlantic known as Bermuda. The ways in which Goslings rum both conforms to and expands what most rum nerds think of when they hear the term “British-style Caribbean rum,” and why the family’s roots in sourcing, blending, and retail are key to the entire flavor profile and identity. We also dig into...

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Episode 302 - Shop Talk: On-Premise Positioning for Spirits Brands show art Episode 302 - Shop Talk: On-Premise Positioning for Spirits Brands

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View the video of this seminar:  What’s shakin’ drinks fans? Thanks for joining me for this special industry shop talk episode, where I give you a free, behind-the-scenes look at some of the content I produce specifically for people who work in the spirits and cocktail industry. This time around, you’ll get to sit in on a seminar I presented a few weeks ago at the 2025 American Distilling Institute Conference & Trade show in San Antonio, TX. The title of the seminar is: “You’ve Been Served: On Premise Strategies for a Saturated Market," and it presents a bunch of different...

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Episode 301 - Into the Blue with Monique ten Kortenaar show art Episode 301 - Into the Blue with Monique ten Kortenaar

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In this true, blue interview with Master Distiller Monique ten Kortenaar (), some of the topics we discuss include: The history of the Curaçao liqueur category, how it differs in production and flavor to similar products like Triple Sec, and how the color blue first entered the picture about 100 years ago. How separates itself from non-premium Blue Curaçaos by incorporating signature botanicals and fruity Jamaican rum into its production and blending process. The role that bartenders, sensory panels, and distillery guests played in the development of this and other products that Bols...

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In part two of my conversation with rum trailblazer , CEO of , some of the topics we discuss include: The project of American Cane, and why Maggie is excited to kick off the brand with an affordable rum offering that’s focused on conviviality, celebration, and togetherness. How the American rum category differs in its identity from the many Caribbean traditions we are familiar with, and what factors like fermentation substrate, diurnal temperature shift, and cooperage sourcing have to do with it. Why America isn’t as primed or well suited for a strict geographic indication as other...

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Episode 299 - Cane Dawgs with Maggie Campbell show art Episode 299 - Cane Dawgs with Maggie Campbell

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In part 1 of my conversation with acclaimed bartender Charles Joly, some of the topics we discuss include:

  • The two predominant “schools” of cocktail programs you might encounter in the early 2000s, and how Charles found his home and his voice in the seasonal and ingredient-focused program at a place called The Drawing Room.
  • The conditions and events that led Charles to take on his break-out role on a national stage as the beverage director of the incredibly high-profile bar at The Aviary--a venue renowned for its avant-garde, highly technical molecular mixology drink preparations.
  • How Charles handled the culture shock of transitioning into that role - the feeling of being parachute-dropped into a foreign land - and why a round of cheeky Tequila shots with guests helped to humanize the service style just a little.
  • We also discuss what it means for a cocktail or ingredient to make “sense,” which involves using context cues and narrative structure to help communicate the “why” behind the “what” and “how” of a drink.
  • Along the way, we explore the tattoos you’d see on Charles’ arms if he were to prepare a drink in front of you, why every bartender should know somebody peddling rare tea and Iberico ham, the beauty of “vibe-based” bartender’s choice cocktails, and much, much more.