Nichole Barger – Science as a Catalyst for Human Connection
Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson
Release Date: 11/27/2024
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Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson
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Betsy Gaines Quammen Returns - Myths, Curiosity, and Human Connection (Live at the Old Salt Festival)
Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson
is a Montana-based historian and writer whose work explores the history and myths of the American West and how those stories have endured and shaped life in the region today. Betsy joined me on the podcast several years ago to discuss her amazing book, , and since then, she’s published another must-read: . In True West, Betsy meets face-to-face with a wide range of folks here in the West– from militia members to hardcore environmentalists– and seeks to understand why they believe what they do. Combining these conversations with her deep understanding of history, Betsy is able to...
info_outlineNichole Barger is an ecologist, former university professor, and the current deputy chief scientist and lead global scientist for The Nature Conservancy. She earned her master’s degree from the University of California at Berkeley and her PhD from Colorado State University, and her career has included extensive time researching, teaching, and practicing on-the-ground, frontline conservation on issues including land degradation, restoration, and more. Prior to assuming her current position at TNC, she was the research director of the Canyonlands Research Center located at the Dugout Ranch, which you may remember as the subject of a Mountain & Prairie episode back in August of 2024.
Given her distinguished career as a scientist, you might be surprised to learn that Nichole never considered pursuing science as a vocation until the second half of her time in college. She grew up in small-town Indiana, and, although she was extremely curious, a great student, and a voracious reader, she was not particularly enamored with science and didn’t know anyone who worked as a scientist. But during college, a supportive-yet-casual comment from one of her professors planted the seed that science could be an option. Fast forward to today, she has published more than 70 peer-reviewed papers, she co-chairs the Science Policy Interface group of the UN Convention to Combat Desertification, and she leads many of TNC’s cutting-edge science initiatives.
As you’ll hear, Nichole brings a deep level of empathy, curiosity, and open-mindedness to all of her work as a scientist. Whether she’s teaching, researching, or working with conservation stakeholders, she never loses sight of the importance of human connection. We spent the first half of the conversation discussing lessons learned from her nontraditional path into the world of science, including a two-year stint where she left college to travel and explore the United States. We discussed her renewed focus on academics when she returned to school, and the moment that professor planted the seed that eventually grew into her career in science. We discuss teaching versus research, how she evolved as an educator and mentor to college students, and when she decided to apply her talents to TNC’s mission. We discuss TNC’s incorporation of Indigenous wisdom and science into its work, human health as a conservation initiative, and the importance of face-to-face human interactions. She also offers some excellent book recommendations and ideas for remaining optimistic and action-oriented during challenging times.
There’s so much wisdom packed into this episode, so be sure to check out the episode notes for a complete list of topics and links to everything. A huge thanks to Nichole for the great conversation and thank you for listening.
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- Nichole Barger
- TNC’s science work
- Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/nichole-barger/
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TOPICS DISCUSSED:
- 4:00 - Nichole’s upbringing and early years
- 7:45 - Taking a non-traditional path and her parents’ reaction
- 9:30 - Lessons learned from her two-year break
- 11:00 - Books read in high school that gave Nichole confidence to follow her own path
- 12:30 - Returning to school with a renewed focus
- 15:30 - Advice to college students who are trying to find their way in the world
- 18:15 - Her journey to becoming a successful scientist
- 20:30 - Research versus teaching
- 22:45 - Lessons learned from years of teaching
- 26:30 - When and how TNC became a professional focus
- 29:30 - Nichole describes her current job at TNC
- 31:15 - Incorporating Indigenous knowledge into TNC’s science work
- 40:00 - The importance and power of weaving in Indigenous knowledge
- 43:00 - Human health as a conservation initiative
- 47:00 - “Doom and Gloom” is not a motivating strategy
- 50:00 - Online resources for news and science (that won’t make you crazy)
- 52:00 - The importance of physcially being with other people
- 53:15 - The most exciting project Nichole is working on
- 55:00 - What can the average person do to take action and make a difference
- 59:00 - Book recommendations
- 1:03:00 - Parting words of wisdom
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