What Does the United States Want From China and Why Can’t We Get It?
Release Date: 12/25/2025
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info_outlineIn this episode, Chris, Melanie, and Zack look at U.S. policy toward China. What does the United States, that is Donald Trump, want from China? What should the Trump administration be willing to compromise on to get it? And what does Trump need that China would be willing to give up? Grievances for President Trump’s tasteless social media post following the murder of Rob and Michele Reiner; for those who bet on war (and rig the maps to win); and for the Pentagon’s attacks on Sen. (and retired Navy Captain) Mark Kelly for daring to suggest that people in the military shouldn’t follow unlawful orders. Speaking of unlawful orders, attas to Sen. Kelly and others calling out the Trump admin’s dubious case for striking boats in the Caribbean and the Pacific. Plus a shout out for reporters covering the Trump administration, who manage to break news despite the hurdles.
Show Links:
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Derek Scissors and Zack Cooper, “Trump vs China is taking a turn,” Washington Post, December 16, 2025.
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Lily Kuo, “From Chips to Security, China Is Getting Much of What It Wants From the U.S.,” New York Times, December 12, 2025.
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Saif Khan, Tao Burga, Tim Fist, and Georgia Adamson, “Should the US Sell Hopper Chips to China?” Institute for Progress, December 7, 2025.
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Nick Cleveland-Stout, “Think tanker altered Ukraine war map before big Polymarket payout,” Responsible Statecraft, December 11, 2025.
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Al Weaver and Filip Timotija, “Senate GOP Grows Uneasy as Pentagon’s Kelly Escalates,” The Hill, December 17, 2025.
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Jonathan Gilbert, “China Buys Rare Argentine Wheat Cargo as Milei Trims Tariffs,” Bloomberg, December 14, 2025.
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Alan Beattie, “Donald Trump Stiffs Farmers and China Stiffs Donald Trump,” Financial Times, December 15, 2025.
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Susannah Savage, “Donald Trump’s Tariffs Intensify Strain on US Farmers, Deere Warns,” Financial Times, December 10, 2025.