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356: How to Build a Gender Fair Workplace with Brad Johnson and David Smith

Allyship in Action

Release Date: 08/02/2026

367: Building an Equitable Future Through Moral Conviction and Uncomfortable Truths with Evelyn Carter show art 367: Building an Equitable Future Through Moral Conviction and Uncomfortable Truths with Evelyn Carter

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366: Get Clear on Q4 Prioritization with Dr. Jolander Headley show art 366: Get Clear on Q4 Prioritization with Dr. Jolander Headley

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365: Challenging the Career Fantasy of Having It All with Corinne Low show art 365: Challenging the Career Fantasy of Having It All with Corinne Low

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364: Purpose at Work with Scott Curran show art 364: Purpose at Work with Scott Curran

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363: How to Lead with Optimism and Resilience in the Workplace with Michelle Gielan show art 363: How to Lead with Optimism and Resilience in the Workplace with Michelle Gielan

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Positive psychology researcher and author Michelle Gielan joins us to dive into two qualities I think about a lot: optimism and resilience. Early in my career, I used to think being optimistic meant slapping a smile on my face, grabbing a venti iced coffee, and pretending everything was fine, even when a project was burning down around me. (Spoiler alert: it doesn't work!) Real optimism isn’t about ignoring the mess. As Michelle reminded me, it’s about taking a realistic assessment of the present while holding onto the belief that our actions matter. We laughed about closet optimists,...

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362: Why Your Next Big Career Move Starts with Ten Minutes a Day with Jess Ekstrom show art 362: Why Your Next Big Career Move Starts with Ten Minutes a Day with Jess Ekstrom

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361: Escaping the Reward Trap with Özgür Bolat show art 361: Escaping the Reward Trap with Özgür Bolat

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360: Unlocking Neurodivergent Potential in the Workplace with Alex Partridge show art 360: Unlocking Neurodivergent Potential in the Workplace with Alex Partridge

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This week, I had the absolute pleasure of sitting down with the incredible Alex Partridge—founder of UNILAD and Lad Bible, host of the ADHD Chatter podcast, and author of Why Does Everybody Hate Me?. We dove deep into a topic that so many managers want to get right, but often feel totally lost navigating: supporting neurodiversity in the workplace, specifically when it comes to ADHD. The first time I managed someone with ADHD, I felt lost. I wanted to be an ally and build an inclusive space, but I didn’t know what real, everyday support looked like. As Alex and I chatted, it hit me again...

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359: Designing Inclusion from the Inside Out with Nani Vishwanath show art 359: Designing Inclusion from the Inside Out with Nani Vishwanath

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358: The Surprising Key to Longevity with Ezekiel Emanuel show art 358: The Surprising Key to Longevity with Ezekiel Emanuel

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I was so thrilled to sit down again with my dear friends and true allies, Dave Smith and Brad Johnson . Every time we connect, it feels like a warm reminder of what sustained, meaningful allyship really looks like—not just showing up when it’s trending, but doing the steady, daily work that actually moves the needle.

 Listening to them walk through their allyship trilogy, from Athena Rising to The Good Guys and now their latest book, Fair Share, brought back so many memories of my own journey navigating corporate America as a new mom. (Trust me, I’ve shed my fair share of tears over spilled milk in a workplace closet!)

What I love most about Brad and Dave is how they balance deep research with practical, real-world solutions that lift everyone up. They remind us that creating gender fairness isn't just about asking individual allies to do more. It’s about fixing the broken systems so doing the right thing becomes the default.

Key Themes

  • Caregiving Skills Build Better Workplace Leaders

    Active caregiving and fatherhood develop crucial human skills like empathy and emotional intelligence, which directly transfer into effective leadership at work.

    "Dad's brains begin to shift and change, too. We're developing these skills around empathy that translates right back into the workplace when we go back to work." — David Smith

  • Moving from Individual Allyship to Systemic Change

    Relying solely on individual (s)heroics isn't enough to achieve true equity. Organizations must embed allyship and gender fairness directly into company policies, metrics, and manager training.

    "All of these ally efforts are gonna be sort of one by one by one forever. Until the workplace changes, you see all the estimates that we have about a century to go to get to real gender parity." — Brad Johnson

  • Supporting Paid Leave and Caregiving Transitions

    Creating a culture that normalizes and actively plans for parental and caregiving leave for both mothers and fathers improves employee retention and strengthens managerial capabilities.

    "Think about the work that's gotta be done when he or she leaves the workforce for this paid leave period, the transition back into the workforce with a plan. The minute you can do that, you're making better managers." — David Smith

  • Unlocking Hidden Talent Through Returnships

    Organizations facing talent shortages can tap into a massive, highly qualified pool of candidates by creating clear pathways for individuals returning to the workforce after extended caregiving breaks.

    "Organizations aren't looking at those women, and they're forgetting that. Half the people at the top of the curve on IQ, EQ, creativity, they're out there if you would only create a glide path to return to your organization." — Brad Johnson

Actionable Takeaway for Listeners

Audit and support your managerial capabilities: To move from individual efforts to systemic fairness, organizations must carefully select managers based on competencies and actively train them to execute flexible work policies, support parental leave transitions, and lead inclusively.

Follow Brad and Dave's work at https://workplaceallies.com/