Show 1434: Digital Doctoring: Will AI Save Lives or Cause Medical Mayhem?
Release Date: 06/13/2025
The People's Pharmacy Podcast
For the last several decades, nutrition scientists have been debating the pros and cons of various dietary approaches. The Mediterranean diet has a lot of proponents, and we have interviewed some of them on The People’s Pharmacy. Dr. Barry Popkin and Dr. Walter Willett endorse olive oil, whole grains, fruits and vegetables with only small amounts of animal-sourced food. Listen to for more information. Dr. Will Bulsiewicz is a fiber evangelist. You can hear him on . Plant-based diets can fall along a spectrum from mostly plants with some meat, fish and eggs to completely...
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Americans take a lot of medications. Luckily, the Food and Drug Administration only approves those that are safe and effective. However, the agency’s definition of “safe” includes medicines that can harm or kill some people, and the definition of “effective” covers some drugs that only work a little better than placebo. Has the FDA changed its standards? Maybe we should be rethinking medications. Rethinking Medications: If you watch television or streaming video, you probably see a lot of commercials for prescription pharmaceuticals. Decades ago, prescription drugs...
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In this episode, our guest is a dermatologist who wants us to consider sunlight’s health benefits. That is a minority opinion among dermatologists. Dr. Richard Weller tells us why vitamin D is overrated and not the most important aspect of sun exposure. The Secrets of Sunlight’s Health Benefits: Dermatologists generally advise us to stay out of the sun as much as possible. After all, excessive sun exposure causes skin aging and skin cancer, conditions for which people frequently consult them. However, even if we could all live inside, wear protective clothing and high SPF sunscreen...
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Exercise physiologist Claudio Battaglini, PhD, describes how exercise prescriptions can improve cancer patients' lives and life expectancy. A randomized controlled trial published in the confirmed what some cancer specialists have long hoped: physical activity can prolong cancer patients’ lives. we heard from the senior author of that study, medical oncologist Christopher Booth. In this episode, we hear from an exercise physiologist who has been helping cancer patients with exercise prescriptions. The goal was for them to feel better. Many also lived...
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Physical activity, aka “exercise,” is a cornerstone of good health, just like adequate sleep and a balanced diet. No one questions the benefits for people who are already healthy. But doctors may assume that cancer patients are too debilitated and demoralized to exercise. They may think physical activity wouldn’t be much help to patients who have just suffered through radiation or chemotherapy. Such assumptions are wrong and could be harmful, as a recent study shows. In actuality, structured exercise can help cancer patients survive and even thrive. Does Exercise Belong in...
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We may not often stop to think about it, but our water, food, furniture and other ordinary items are frequently contaminated with toxic chemicals. In this episode, Dr. Aly Cohen describes these threats to our health. You may have heard of compounds that can disrupt hormonal balance (endocrine disruptors). Everyday toxins like these can also interfere with the ability of the immune system to function properly. What can you do to reduce your exposure? Doing an Environmental Assessment: As a rheumatologist, Dr. Cohen frequently treats patients whose immune systems have turned...
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New advances mean that more men than ever before can overcome prostate cancer. Treatments can extend life and improve quality of life. In this episode, our guest, Dr. Andrew Armstrong of Duke University, discusses recent advances that men should know to overcome prostate cancer. We ask about former President Joe Biden’s diagnosis. What does it mean to have Stage IV prostate cancer and a Gleason score of 9? News outlets have reported that Mr. Biden’s previous prostate screening test was in 2014. How often should men be tested for this common cancer? What does the PSA...
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Half a million people may suffer symptoms of Lyme disease this year. Learn about avoiding Lyme and other tick-borne diseases. In this episode, two experts draw on the latest research about avoiding Lyme disease and other infections that may be transmitted through tick bites. Why are these conditions so difficult to diagnose? Most importantly, how can people with lingering symptoms from Lyme get help and start to feel better? We consider both conventional and alternative approaches. The Basics of Lyme Disease: We begin with a quick review of the history of Lyme...
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This week, we asked dermatologist Dr. Chris Adigun into our studio to answer your questions about summer skin problems. The Link Between Sun Exposure and Skin Cancer: Intense summer sunshine can cause sunburn and skin damage. The most worrisome consequences are skin cancers that may show up on cheeks, ears, noses, lips or other unexpected places. How can you recognize a potential skin cancer? What will the dermatologist do about it? Even more important, can you reduce your risk for basal or squamous cell carcinoma? (Those are technical terms to describe skin cancers that are not melanoma.) ...
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We sometimes may feel that we are in a circumstance that breaks our brains and undermines our mental health. What skills provide resilience? In this episode, we acknowledge the many reasons that people may be feeling anxious or depressed. It often seems that current conditions are designed to break our brains. Perhaps that’s why 60 million Americans suffer from depression or anxiety. Not everyone who might be feeling nervous or down in the dumps deserves a diagnosis. However, they can benefit from the practices we discuss in this hour. Pharmaceutical approaches such as...
info_outlineIn this episode, Joe & Terry speak with two physicians who have examined ways that artificial intelligence might contribute to patient care. Can AI help with better diagnoses? Is robotic surgery better? Could AI save lives or is it more likely to cause trouble?
We begin our conversation with Dr. Jonathan Chen, who has found that chatting with a robot made him a better doctor. (He challenged ChatGPT with an ethically difficult conversation and was surprised at the sensitivity of the observations it offered.) When researchers studied diagnostic acumen pitting human doctors against AI, the results were surprising. Some doctors did the diagnosis without help, while others used ChatGPT-4 to help them. The investigators also had the AI do the diagnosis unaided (or unhindered) by humans. Doctors got a score of 74 percent on their own and 76 percent when using AI. But ChatGPT by itself scored 90 percent. (JAMA Network Open, Oct. 28, 2024). AI is certainly not perfect, and there are times when it is not the appropriate tool to use. But results like this suggest that we should be learning more about when it might be an indispensable technology for improving patient care. After all, human doctors are not perfect, either.
Health care professionals are not the only ones who are putting artificial intelligence to use in health care settings. Many physicians dread the patient who arrives with a large stack of papers printed off the internet. Our guests suggest that doctors should welcome these patients and collaborate with them. Pointing them to more reliable sites and better search strategies, if the healthcare provider is able to do so, could yield better results overall. Who is more motivated to spend time researching the details of an unusual syndrome or its treatment? It may well be the patient.
There are, of course, some cautions that people should keep in mind. One is privacy. You may not want to disclose your medical history to the internet at large. Most sites are not constrained by HIPAA, which protects patient privacy in medical settings. Another consideration is the reliability of the information you find. Robots are designed to produce answers that will please the humans asking the questions. That might mean that they make things up. If the question is how to connect your camera to your computer, an invented (“hallucinated”) answer is inconvenient. When it concerns your health, a fabricated answer could be dangerous.
Our second guest, Dr. Art Papier, has been involved in developing large libraries of images of skin problems. With artificial intelligence powering it, VisualDx helps doctors recognize dermatological problems such as skin cancers.
He describes one situation in which misdiagnosis is common and can cause harm. Cellulitis is a dangerous inflammation due to bacterial infection that can lead to sepsis. Red skin can be a signal of cellulitis, but sometimes it is caused by other problems. Misdiagnosis can lead to hospitalization and inappropriate antibiotics being administered. Utilizing a clinical decision tool like VisualDx reduced unnecessary hospital admission and antibiotic use (Journal of the American College of Emergency Physicians Open, June 8, 2023).
Another strength of the system Dr. Papier has helped build is that it offers doctors views of atypical presentations of common problems. Hopefully, this keeps them from focusing on a single feature of an illness, such as a bulls-eye rash, as the only defining characteristic. The builders of VisualDx have deliberately included many images of skin of many different shades, as rashes sometimes look different depending upon the background coloration.