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Show 1445: Your Brain on Pain: Why Chronic Pain Changes Everything

The People's Pharmacy Podcast

Release Date: 09/20/2025

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The statistics are shocking. At any given time, nearly one fourth of American adults are experiencing low back pain. Even worse, roughly one-third of the population will have to deal with chronic pain at some point in their lives. How does the brain react to pain? What can people with chronic pain do to alleviate their suffering? Our guest is a nationally recognized pain expert with a number of suggestions.

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Chronic Pain:

We are all familiar with the instantaneous pain of having your hand contact a hot pan. In that case, pain serves its most important function, warning us not to do that again! Many people have known the pain of a sprained ankle or a twisted knee. In most cases, we recover from such mishaps in time, and the pain becomes a memory. But sometimes, the brain circuits get stuck, so to speak, and we end up with ongoing chronic pain. That can last and cause suffering well after the original stimulus has disappeared. There is no evidence that suffering is good for the soul.

The Experience of Pain Is Personal:

It is critical to remember that pain is subjective. The nerves may carry a sensation of “heat” from that hot pan or “pressure” if you slam your thumb in the door. It isn’t pain until the brain interprets it. And brain interpretations can and do vary from one person to the next. Past experience and levels of social support as well as expectations of relief influence the ways that people feel pain in response to injury.

Personalizing Treatment of Chronic Pain:

If the experience of pain, especially chronic pain, is highly individual, shouldn’t treatments be individualized as well? Every pain patient deserves an individualized assessment, with particular attention to red flags that might be warning of an imminent medical emergency. Ruling that out must not invalidate the patient’s experience. Then the patient and provider can proceed to work on a multi-modal approach to pain control.

How Will the New FDA Opioid Guidelines Affect Patient Care?

The FDA recently issued new guidelines on the use of opioid (narcotic) pain relievers.  The agency will require much clearer warnings about the risks of such medications, especially when used for longer periods of time. Prescribers will be reminded to use the lowest effective dose for the shortest time needed. They will also be reminded that these drugs should never be stopped suddenly, because that could trigger withdrawal symptoms. Should people be avoiding opioids? Dr. Mackey thinks the new guidelines are in line with precautions that responsible prescribers are already observing.

What Non-Drug Approaches Can Help Chronic Pain?

We asked Dr. Mackey when non-pharmacologic approaches are appropriate, and he responded that they are always appropriate, sometimes in conjunction with rather than instead of medication. There are at least six categories of tools for pain, including medical interventions (surgery, for example), mind-body approaches such as mindfulness-based stress reduction (MBSR), physical therapy, nutraceuticals, complementary and alternative therapies (such as acupuncture) and medications. Each of these categories might have only a small effect by itself but taken together they can provide substantial relief.

What About Drugs?

There are probably a couple of hundred drugs that could be helpful, only a handful of which are opioids. So even for people who don’t tolerate opioids, there are plenty of tools to help alleviate pain. Dr. Mackey does prescribe opioids, but he also prescribes medicines such as topiramate, duloxetine, ketamine and low-dose naltrexone, among other medications. Keeping in mind that everyone is different, these will be used in a variety of methods and combinations, depending on patient response.

How Can Patients Find a Pain Doctor?

In some parts of the country, especially rural areas, it may be difficult to find a healthcare provider skilled at treating chronic pain. Dr. Mackey suggests utilizing the resources of the American Academy of Pain Medicine. Another resource, possibly more for providers than patients is Doximity.

This Week’s Guest:

Sean Mackey, MD, PhD, is a pain management specialist and anesthesiologist. He holds the titles of Redlich Professor and Professor of Anesthesiology, Perioperative, and Pain Medicine (Adult Pain) and, by courtesy, of Neurology and Neurological Sciences, all at the Stanford University Medical School. Dr. Mackey is Chief of Stanford’s Division of Pain Medicine and a past President of the American Academy of Pain Medicine. His website is https://seanmackey.people.stanford.edu/research

Dr. Sean Mackey treats patients with chronic pain

Sean Mackey, MD, PhD, Stanford University Division of Pain Medicine