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Show 1466: Could Hidden Infections Be Driving Chronic Disease? 03/21/2026

Show 1466: Could Hidden Infections Be Driving Chronic Disease? Chronic diseases make up the bulk of the problems that modern health care must address. Each condition seems to have its own drivers–cholesterol for heart disease, airway hyperreactivity for asthma, neurotransmitter imbalance for depression and other psychiatric disorders, a buildup of amyloid beta in the brain for Alzheimer disease. What if all these conditions had similar origins? Today we’ll consider the evidence suggesting that hidden infections may be driving many chronic diseases. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How Could Hidden Infections Be Driving Chronic Disease? Nikki’s Story We begin this episode with the personal account of Nikki Schultek. She is a patient who has transformed herself into a research leader after a horrendous experience with unexplained chronic disease. She was a healthy active young mother whose lifelong well-controlled asthma suddenly took a dramatic turn for the worse. She then developed atypical pneumonia, heart arrhythmia and interstitial cystitis, along with a slew of autoimmune conditions. All the doctors could tell her was that these were idiopathic conditions driven by inflammation. As she notes, “idiopathic” basically is doctor-speak for we don’t understand what is going on here. When she developed neurodegenerative symptoms that made her physician suspect MS, she was terrified. That low point became a turning point. Her background had equipped her to read scientific studies, so she began trying to figure out what was driving chronic disease in her own situation. A search linking atypical pneumonia and interstitial cystitis led her to the clinician who was able to help her regain her health, Dr. Charles Stratton. He had conducted a small study linking both conditions to a respiratory infection caused by Chlamydia pneumoniae. What Is When people hear “Chlamydia,” they think immediately of the sexually transmitted infection caused by Chlamydia trachomatis. Although the organisms are related, they have completely different modes of transmission. People catch C. pneumoniae (Noo-mo-knee-eye) simply by breathing in air that contains infectious respiratory particles. These bacteria are extremely common, but it is difficult to detect an infection. That’s because C. pneumoniae hides out inside human cells. It doesn’t show up in blood tests or urine cultures. The study that caught Nikki’s eye used PCR, polymerase chain reaction, which detects DNA. That analysis revealed that 80 percent of the women in the study with interstitial cystitis had C. pneumoniae. The researchers concluded that this sneaky pathogen can lead to chronic inflammation. The Link Between C. pneumoniae and Asthma Remember that Nikki’s troubles started with a severe asthma exacerbation. Research has shown (). When Dr. Stratton tested Nikki, they discovered that she indeed harbored a C. pneumoniae infection. The treatment required multiple antibiotics over a prolonged period of time. Luckily, it eventually cleared the interstitial cystitis, the neurodegenerative symptoms, the other autoimmune problems and brought her asthma back under control. Other Pathogens Causing Trouble C. pneumoniae was not the only germ lurking in Nikki’s body. She discovered that she also carried Borrelia burgdorferi, the organism that causes Lyme disease. In addition, an examination of her red blood cells revealed both Babesia and Bartonella, possibly transmitted by the same tick bite that gave her the Lyme disease. These experiences inspired Nikki to start the Intracell Research Group, the Pathobiome Research Center and the Alzheimer’s Pathobiome Initiative. All are aimed at discovering if hidden infections such as C. pneumoniae or Babesia or Borrelia burgdorferi could be driving chronic disease such as dementia. More Research on Covert Pathogens Driving Chronic Disease One of Nikki’s colleagues at the Alzheimer’s Pathobiome Initiative as well as at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine is Dr. Brian Balin. He has spent more than 25 years studying the connections between C. pneumoniae infections and brain inflammation. This, in turn, has been linked to neuroinflammation and dementia. Dr. Balin points out that respiratory pathogens like C. pneumoniae are accustomed to entering the body through the nose. The nose offers access not only to the respiratory tract, but also to the brain. However, it can be difficult to detect microbes in the brain while the patient remains alive. This has limited research on infection and cognitive impairment in the past (). The COVID pandemic poses another huge risk. Like C. pneumoniae, the SARS-CoV-2 virus often enters the body through the nose. From there, it has ready access to the brain (). Further, when the immune cells called macrophages respond to these infections, they engulf the pathogen and may carry it throughout the body. Might long COVID be the latest example of unacknowledged infection driving chronic disease? What Are the Implications for Treatment? If it can be firmly established that pathogens trigger the inflammation driving chronic disease, that offers several different approaches for treatment. First, we would need to use a high level of suspicion and appropriate technology (such as PCR) to detect infection. These bugs don’t show up through urine cultures or other typical diagnostic techniques. Secondly, we would need to figure out treatment strategies. Antibiotics can be useful, but they may not be the only tools. Vaccines could help the body fight off these pathogens. Specific antibodies might also be developed to block them. In addition, phage therapies targeted to specific bacteria may also work when antibiotics cannot. If you are unfamiliar with the idea of phage therapy, you might want to listen to our radio shows on this topic. Just think of these viruses the way you think of the enemy of my enemy. That entity becomes your friend! Here are some interviews you may find intriguing: This Week’s Guests Nikki Schultek is Founding Director of the Pathobiome Research Center, and Research Assistant Professor at Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine , Executive Director and Co-Founder of the Alzheimer’s Pathobiome Initiative (AlzPI), and Principal and Founder of Intracell Research Group, LLC. A former life sciences professional with Pfizer and Genentech, she now works to unite global researchers studying infection-associated chronic illnesses, including Alzheimer’s disease and other brain diseases. Following her own recovery from Lyme Disease, Chlamydia pneumoniae and co-infections, Nikki builds and leads patient-centered interdisciplinary research collaborations to examine microbial drivers of chronic diseases. She has catalyzed philanthropic funding to launch AlzPI research at multiple academic centers and co-lead authored a 2023 roadmap in outlining a rigorous strategy to investigate infections in brain disease. Nikki Schultek, founder and director of Intracell Research Group, LLC Brian J. Balin, PhD, is a tenured Professor of Neuroscience and Neuropathology at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. He directs the Center for Chronic Disorders of Aging (an Osteopathic Heritage Foundation Endowed Center), and the Adolph and Rose Levis Foundation Laboratory for Alzheimer’s Disease Research. An internationally recognized Alzheimer’s researcher, Dr. Balin has spent over 25 years investigating links between infection—particularly Chlamydia pneumoniae—and neuroinflammation, blood–brain barrier dysfunction, and neurodegeneration. His NIH- and foundation-funded work has significantly advanced the “pathogen hypothesis” of Alzheimer’s disease and Dr. Balin is regarded as a global expert and pioneer in this research field. Dr. Balin is a Co-Founder of The Alzheimer’s Pathobiome Initiative (AlzPI). Brian Balin, PhD, Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine Listen to the Podcast The podcast of this program will be available Monday, March 23, 2026, after broadcast on March 21. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. Citations Hahn DL, "Chlamydia pneumoniae and chronic asthma: Updated systematic review and meta-analysis of population attributable risk." PLoS One, April 19, 2021. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0250034 Lathe R et al, "Establishment of a consensus protocol to explore the brain pathobiome in patients with mild cognitive impairment and Alzheimer's disease: Research outline and call for collaboration." Alzheimer’s & Dementia, Nov. 2023. DOI: 10.1002/alz.13076 Romanella A et al, "Infections with Chlamydia pneumoniae and SARS-CoV-2 and Alzheimer's disease pathogenesis." Frontiers in Aging Neuroscience, June 13, 2025. DOI: 10.3389/fnagi.2025.1587782 /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/40565800

Show 1465: Food Fight! Should We Flip the Food Pyramid Upside-Down? 03/14/2026

Show 1465: Food Fight! Should We Flip the Food Pyramid Upside-Down? Every five years, the Departments of Agriculture and of Health and Human Services jointly issue guidelines on what we should eat. The most recent Dietary Guidelines for Americans (2025-2030) have been controversial. [Here is a link: https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov] Among other things, the administration decided to flip the food pyramid upside-down in illustrating its recommendations. Why did that cause such a stir, and what will it mean for you? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Why Flip the Food Pyramid? Nobody has actually explained to us why they decided to flip the food pyramid on its head. The food pyramid itself debuted in 1991 as an illustration of what we should eat, but many people found it confusing. In 2011, it was replaced by a MyPlate graphic. So why return to the food pyramid now, especially upside-down? Our guest, noted nutrition researcher Christopher Gardner, suggest that it might be a way of denoting dramatic changes from previous guidance. Spoiler alert: only a few details are dramatically different. The main changes are a commendable emphasis on and attention to red meat as a protein source and full-fat rather than low-fat dairy products. Do Americans Need More Protein? If you pay attention at the supermarket, you’ll probably notice that a lot of product tout their protein content. Even things that don’t seem like they’d stand out as sources of protein (granola, pancake mix) are being offered in containers emblazoned with the promise of protein. Surprisingly, though, this is not a response to an urgent need. Most Americans get adequate protein and don’t need to concentrate on increasing their intake. Might it be a marketing tool? Should We Worry About Dairy as We Flip the Food Pyramid? Generally, public health experts recommend that we avoid foods high in saturated fat such as butter or cheese and opt instead for lower fat items, like skim milk. Consuming excessive amounts of saturated fat can raise blood levels of dangerous LDL cholesterol. On the other hand, Dr. Gardner points out that dairy fat differs in some ways from the saturated fats in meat, for instance. We don’t have enough studies to evaluate health consequences of consuming full-fat dairy. Will that raise cholesterol? Might it increase the chance of heart disease? We still need more research to be able to tell. What About Eggs? Speaking of cholesterol, ? For decades, Americans were warned not to eat eggs. Experts thought these cholesterol-rich foods would raise the level of cholesterol in our blood. But although eggs are high in cholesterol, they are low in saturated fat. Joe describes a in which a person ate two dozen eggs a day. After a month, his LDL cholesterol was lower than when he started. Dr. Gardner remarks that we need to know not only what we are eating, but also instead of what and with what. Eggs with sausage and cheese are quite different from a veggie frittata. What’s for Breakfast? Let’s consider what people might be eating for breakfast instead of eggs. Quick toaster pastries, sweetened cereal, orange juice and toast with jam are all popular options that are high in refined carbohydrates. At least for some people, such foods may make blood sugar and insulin spike. That could lead to a midmorning crash, which in turn could encourage someone to have a midmorning snack. Is that a bad idea? Maybe it is one reason to flip the food pyramid. If We Flip the Food Pyramid, Will It Help with Weight Loss? Dr. Gardner has run studies comparing the results of healthful low-carb diets to healthful low-fat diets. He and his colleagues found no significant difference in the weight loss people experienced on average. But none of us is an average person. The range of responses to these diets was huge, with some people losing a lot of weight and other losing none or even gaining. How to Lose Weight Based on this research, it seems no single diet will work for everyone. What makes a big difference is satiety. If what you eat makes you feel full and keeps you feeling full, it will help keep you from eating too much. No need to flip the food pyramid in that case. And, says Dr. Gardner, no need to rely on continuous glucose monitors unless your blood sugar is out of range. Just paying attention to how food makes you feel and to the maxim Eat Real Food will be a pretty good guide for most of us. Dietary Guidelines That Flip the Food Pyramid Shape Food for Kids One important way that the Dietary Guidelines for Americans are implemented is school lunch. Institutions receiving funds from the federal government must follow these guidelines. Substituting minimally processed foods for the inexpensive ultraprocessed foods that are currently found on many school menus will probably be more expensive. The new guidelines also recommend that kids not get any foods with added sugar until they are at least ten years old. That would be a big difference in children’s diets, at as big as when we flip the food pyramid. Is it practical? This Week’s Guest Christopher Gardner, PhD, is a nutrition researcher. He is the director of nutrition studies at the Stanford Prevention Research Center and the Rehnborg Farquhar Professor of Medicine at Stanford University. Christopher Gardner, PhD, director of nutrition studies at the Stanford Prevention Research Center and the Rehnborg Farquhar Professor of Medicine at Stanford University Listen to the Podcast The podcast of this program will be available Monday, March 16, 2026, after broadcast on March 14. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. In this episode, Dr. Gardner discusses the types of fat he uses in his kitchen and why. What oils does he choose for sautés or salad dressing? What is his perspective on olive oil? what does he eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and what is he buying at the market? /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/40460525

Show 1464: Can Vaccines Protect the Brain from Dementia? 03/07/2026

Show 1464: Can Vaccines Protect the Brain from Dementia? According to the Alzheimer’s Association, nearly seven million Americans currently suffer from that type of dementia. Experts expect that more will be burdened with it in the future, as baby boomers continue to reach advanced ages. Many people are eager to protect the brain from deterioration. In this episode, we discuss an unexpected approach to lowering your risk for Alzheimer disease (AD) and other dementias–get a shingles shot! At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How to Protect the Brain with Vaccination Our guest, Dr. Pascal Geldsetzer, has led three impressive studies that took advantage of natural experiments to see if vaccination against shingles could protect the brain from dementia. The results were remarkably consistent and encouraging. What Is a Natural Experiment? In Wales, when the Zostavax shot against shingles first became available, public health authorities established eligibility criteria to get it through the national health system. Welsh citizens had to be born on or after September 2, 1933, to get the shot. This created a situation in which two groups of people differed only by birth date and by whether or not they were immunized. (Most people who were eligible for the shot got it.) This mimics a randomized clinical trial in which the only difference between two groups is the intervention. The absolute risk reduction over 7 years was 3.5%, which means that people who got the shot were 20% less likely (relative risk) to be diagnosed with dementia. That big difference is statistically significant (). Wales is not the only country that set up eligibility requirements. Australia did, too. In Australia, everyone between 70 and 79 years old as of Nov. 1, 2016, could get a free shingles shot and many people did. Here, too, you have a group of senior citizens who differ from each other only by whether they got vaccinated and whether their birthdays were slightly earlier or later. In this case, the absolute reduction in risk of dementia over 7 years was 1.8% (). This difference was also significant. One More Experiment Suggests Vaccination Can Protect the Brain Another natural experiment comes not from a nation, but from a province of our norther neighbor, Canada. The province of Ontario decided that people born on or after Jan. 1, 1946, could get a shingles vaccination. People just slightly older were not eligible. Do you recognize a pattern? When the investigators analyzed health records from 1990 to 2022, they found that people eligible for the vaccine based on their date of birth were 2% less likely to get a dementia diagnosis. In other provinces of Canada that had different rules for vaccination eligibility, people don’t show a significant difference in dementia risk based on their birthday. (). Which Vaccine Were Scientists Studying? The original shingles vaccine, Zostavax, was the one available for all these natural experiments. For the most part it has now been replaced by a newer version called Shingrix, which uses different technology. Studies show that Shingrix is better at preventing shingles outbreaks and post-herpetic neuralgia, the lingering pain after shingles (). It is unclear whether it would also work better to protect the brain from Alzheimer disease. At least one study suggests it works quite well in reducing the risk of dementia (). Was the Single-Minded Pursuit of Amyloid Misguided? For decades, the pharmaceutical industry has focused its anti-Alzheimer efforts on amyloid plaques that are a pathological feature of brains afflicted with Alzheimer disease. They were apparent in the very first brain described by Alois Alzheimer at the turn of the 20th century. But the assumption that getting rid of amyloid plaque would solve the problem has not borne fruit. The FDA has approved three compounds that are quite effective at reducing amyloid plaque in the brain. Two, lecanemab (Leqembi) and donanemab (Kisunla), are still on the market. Their impact on cognitive decline and functionality of AD patients is unimpressive. Other Infections That May Harm the Brain It seems odd that neurologists might be resistant to the idea of an infection such as chickenpox (the virus behind shingles) or herpes (which causes cold sores and genital lesions) changing brain function. More than a hundred years ago, before the development of effective antibiotics, doctors were quite aware that tertiary syphilis could lead to dementia. Other infections such as Chlamydia pneumoniae may also interfere with brain function. The COVID pandemic demonstrated that the SARS CoV-2 virus can cause brain fog, and we worry that people with long COVID may be at higher risk for dementia. Can the Shingles Vaccine Help with Treatment? One immunization outcome that Dr. Geldsetzer’s team uncovered may help with treatment. In Wales, people with dementia who got the shingles vaccine had a slower progression of their cognitive decline. (). This suggests that whatever it is doing to protect the brain may extend into the disease process itself. This definitely deserves more research. Dr. Geldsetzer would like to conduct a true randomized clinical trial to explore this possibility and to tease the differences, if any, between Zostavax and Shingrix with respect to their effects on dementia prevention. This Week’s Guest: Pascal Geldsetzer, MD, PhD, MPH is an Assistant Professor of Medicine at Stanford University and a Biohub Investigator. His research focuses on identifying and evaluating the most effective interventions for improving health at older ages. In 2026, he was named one of the 100 most influential people in health and medicine globally by TIME Magazine (The TIME100 Health list) for his work on the link between shingles vaccination and dementia. He is currently trying to raise funds from philanthropy for a large-scale clinical trial of shingles vaccination for dementia prevention. Pascal Geldsetzer, MD Courtesy Stanford Medicine Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program will be available Monday, March 9, 2026, after broadcast on March 7. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. You can also listen to our previous interview with Dr. Geldsetzer. It is . Citations Eyting M et al, "A natural experiment on the effect of herpes zoster vaccination on dementia." Nature, April 2, 2025. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-025-08800-x Pomirchy M et al, "Herpes zoster vaccination and dementia occurrence." JAMA, April 23, 2025. doi:10.1001/jama.2025.5013 Pomirchy M et al, "Herpes zoster vaccination and incident dementia in Canada: an analysis of natural experiments." Lancet Neurology, Feb. 2026. DOI: 10.1016/S1474-4422(25)00455-7 Oleszko M et al, "Herpes zoster vaccination: Insights into efficacy, safety, and guidelines." Vaccines, April 28, 2025. DOI: 10.3390/vaccines13050477 Tang E et al, "Recombinant zoster vaccine and the risk of dementia." Vaccine, Feb. 5, 2025. DOI: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2024.126673 Xie M et al, "The effect of shingles vaccination at different stages of the dementia disease course." Cell, Dec. 11, 2025. DOI: 10.1016/j.cell.2025.11.007 /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/40350260

Show 1463: Why We Eat Too Much and What to Do About It 02/28/2026

Show 1463: Why We Eat Too Much and What to Do About It Obesity is a big problem in the US. The National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases says 2 out of every 5 American adults are obese. What’s more, one in three is overweight, with only about 25 percent of us at a healthy weight. It’s not just adults; children are increasingly suffering weight problems as well. In this episode, we ask why we eat too much and what we can do about it. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Why We Eat Too Much: Excess weight puts people at risk for premature death from cardiovascular disease, kidney problems and diabetes. Unfortunately, the standard advice from physicians to eat less and exercise more hasn’t often been very helpful. That’s because it doesn’t take into account the reason we eat too much: we are hungry. There are at least three different types of hunger that we need to consider, though. Most people are familiar with homeostatic hunger. If you haven’t eaten for hours, your stomach may grumble and complain. There is also hedonic hunger–eating because something tastes delicious. That’s why you can usually find room for dessert, regardless of how much dinner you’ve eaten. Hedonic hunger is often linked to emotional eating because you feel bored or stressed or depressed. The third type of hunger is conditioned hunger. Think of Pavlov’s dogs, who learned to salivate in expectation of food when they heard a bell. Some people react much the same way when they hear a dinner bell, or when lunchtime arrives, or when they get in the car. If you are accustomed to eating then, you’ll expect food and become disappointed if it isn’t available. But conditioned hunger can be addressed by deliberately changing your patterns. Set up the environment so the food is not so readily available at the times you have become conditioned to eat. Hedonic hunger yields best to figuring out the emotional basis for why we eat too much: boredom, stress, some other feeling. What other activities can help you cope with those feelings? For some people, it might be going for a walk. Others might find a different approach more helpful. How Do Weight Loss Drugs Make Us Not Eat Too Much? The most popular drugs on social media and in ads lately are the GLP-1 receptor agonists. That’s a fancy name for weight loss drugs like semaglutide (Wegovy) and tirzepatide (Zepbound). These medicines blunt the reward center in the brain that responds to food and drives some people to eat too much. They do that by mimicking satiety hormones, essentially telling our bodies “You’ve had enough.” They work pretty well for most people, at least in the short term. However, unless people retrain themselves regarding eating cues (for conditioned hunger) or emotional needs (for hedonic hunger), they are likely to gain the weight back when they stop taking the medication. For homeostatic hunger, making sure to get adequate protein and fiber in every meal can help. That tactic might not be very useful for hedonic hunger, though. Are you addicted to ultra-processed foods? That can be a challenge. On the other hand, many people who are addicted to nicotine do find ways to overcome that addiction. It is possible to overcome junk food addiction, too. Dr. Fung describes his patient Harry who used fasting, eating carbohydrates last instead of first in the meal, along with some acid such as vinegar, and was successful in losing weight and feeling better. The most important thing Harry did was to use social support from his friends. Social and environmental factors are critical in the development of obesity, so they are also paramount in overcoming it. Practical Advice to Help Us Not Eat Too Much: How do you stock up on what you need and avoid what you don’t need at the supermarket? The usual advice is to shop the perimeter, where the fresh food like vegetables, fruit, eggs, meat and dairy products are located. The ultra-processed stuff is usually in the center aisles. You also want to read labels. If that food has ingredients you can’t pronounce, you might want to put it back on the shelf. Later, you can look it up and learn if it is something you want to put in your body. Using Intermittent Fasting: Intermittent fasting can be a helpful tool, especially if you approach it as an opportunity rather than with a deprivation mindset. There are many ways to fast. Some people use time-restricted eating, eating only during the first 8 hours of the day, for example. Some skip eating every other day. It is helpful for the body to have an opportunity to burn fat from its stores. This can help regulate insulin as well as contribute to weight loss. We spoke with Dr. Fung shortly before publication of the of intermittent fasting. These experts found that in randomized control trials, intermittent fasting is no more effective than counting calories (). We are sorry we didn’t get to ask him about this. Dr. Fung’s Three Golden Rules for Weight Loss: The first is simple, if not so easy: don’t eat ultra-processed foods. The second: give your body an adequate fasting period every day. That might be at least 12 hours, but it could be longer. Each person may need to find their own “sweet spot.” Finally, find or create a social environment that will allow you to succeed. Hang out with people doing something you enjoy that is not centered on eating. This Week’s Guests: Dr. Jason Fung is the New York Times bestselling author of multiple critically acclaimed science and health books including The Obesity Code, The Diabetes Code, The Obesity Code Cookbook, The Diabetes Code Cookbook, The Diabetes Code Journal, and The Hunger Code. Dr. Fung is a Canadian nephrologist and co-founder of , a program to help people lose weight and reverse type 2 diabetes and obesity. Jason Fung, MD, author of The Hunger Code His most recent book is . The People’s Pharmacy is reader supported. When you buy through links in this post, we may earn a small affiliate commission (at no cost to you). /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/40262515

Show 1462: Using Focused Ultrasound Against Parkinson Disease and Tremor 02/21/2026

Show 1462: Using Focused Ultrasound Against Parkinson Disease and Tremor Most medical interventions are either pharmacological–prescribe a drug–or surgical–remove or repair the offending body part. If those approaches are inappropriate, doctors long for a different technology. In this episode, we discuss the development of a relatively new noninvasive technology, focused ultrasound. Doctors use it to treat conditions such as Parkinson disease or essential tremor. It may also be used for tumors in other parts of the body. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Using Focused Ultrasound: Most people are familiar with ultrasound being used as a diagnostic tool. They also know about using a magnifying glass to focus a ray of sunlight. With the proper technique, this could light a small fire. In focused ultrasound, the surgeon uses an acoustic lens to target ultrasound waves very precisely inside the body. Dr. Neal Kassell, our guest expert in this episode, is a neurosurgeon. He has used focused ultrasound primarily to treat brain tumors. Treatments require from several hundred to several thousand ultrasound waves. But doctors have used focused ultrasound to treat over 180 medical conditions. Regulatory authorities around the world have approved its use to treat 35 different conditions. The first to get such approval was uterine fibroids. This technology has been used to offer noninvasive interventions for 22 years. Now, people with Parkinson disease could choose focused ultrasound as an alternative to deep brain stimulation. There are approximately 250 sites in the US that are able to offer this technology to patients. How Focused Ultrasound Works: Dr. Kassell described how ultrasound works for problems as dissimilar as liver tumors or essential tremor. There are multiple mechanisms, but scientists have concentrated on three: First, the beams of ultrasound generate heat that can destroy tissue where they are focused. So, tumor or tissue destruction is the first mode of action. Second, ultrasound involves the use of very tiny bubbles. These can be created to hold drugs. If a doctor were treating cancer, that might be a chemotherapeutic agent. But rather than exposing the entire body to the same level of medication, with focused ultrasound the microscopic bubbles trap the drug and release it only when exposed to the targeted beams. That means a high concentration of medicine where it is needed and very low concentrations elsewhere. Third, focused ultrasound appears to have an impact on the immune system. As a result, patients being treated with immunotherapy such as Keytruda get a much better result when it is combined with focused ultrasound. This approach has been shown to improve the response rate. Adopting Focused Ultrasound May Lag: Doctors and healthcare systems have customary patterns of practice, referral and reimbursement. Introducing focused ultrasound into the mix may disrupt these. Insurance companies might save money over the long run if they covered this long-lasting intervention. Perhaps they will find before long that they get a better outcome for a lower cost. Where focused ultrasound is finding more purchase is among veterinarians treating companion animals (dogs and cats) who also suffer from hard-to-treat malignancies. With the OneHealth approach, veterinary medicine shares what it learns from such treatments with healthcare providers treating humans. One might not imagine essential tremor as responding to this type of treatment, but 25,000 patients have already been cured. This entails separate treatments on two different sides of the brain, with the sessions separated by six to nine months. The durability of the effect is very good. Bobby Krause Describes His Patient Experience: Bobby Krause was dismayed to be diagnosed with young-onset Parkinson disease at the age of 42. The drugs his doctors prescribed had intolerable side effects, and he felt depressed at not being the father he wanted to be for his young sons. He was excited to learn that focused ultrasound treatments have been delivered to about 30,000 Parkinson disease patients around the world. At least 75 percent have experienced significant improvement that lasts at least five years. Although he was not eligible for the first clinical trial he heard about, he jumped at the chance to be treated a few years later at the University of Pennsylvania. In 2022, his doctors delivered three sonication treatments in one day. The results were amazing; among other visible effects, he regained an inch of height that had been compromised by the tight spasms of his back muscles. This is a story you will want to hear! This Week’s Guests: Neal F. Kassell, MD is the founder and chairman of the Focused Ultrasound Foundation. This is a unique medical research, education, and advocacy organization created as the catalyst to accelerate the development and adoption of focused ultrasound and thereby reduce death, disability, and suffering for patients. He was a Professor of Neurosurgery at the University of Virginia from 1984 until 2016 and the co-chairman of the department until 2006. He has contributed more than 500 publications and book chapters to medical literature and is a member of numerous medical societies in the United States and abroad. In April 2016, Dr. Kassell was appointed by Vice President Joe Biden to the National Cancer Institute’s Cancer Moonshot Blue Ribbon Panel. Dr. Neal Kassell, director of the Focused Ultrasound Foundation Bobby Krause is the founder of the Be Still Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to empowering patients and families affected by Essential Tremor and Parkinson’s disease. Inspired by his own journey with tremors, Bobby champions awareness, advocacy, and financial support for life-changing treatments like Focused Ultrasound, helping restore hope and dignity to those in need. Bobby Krause, director of the BeStill Foundation /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/40183915

Show 1461: How Patients Are Using Technology to Heal Healthcare 02/14/2026

Show 1461: How Patients Are Using Technology to Heal Healthcare Medicine has changed enormously over the last several decades. As with other parts of society, digital technology has disrupted previous practices. Clinicians can now care for patients at home, monitoring them with sophisticated sensors for oxygen saturation, heart rhythm, blood pressure and much more. Even more significant, patients now have greater access to medical knowledge as well as to the state of their own bodies, measured through wearable tools such as smart watches or continuous glucose monitors. With the internet, they can connect with patient groups that offer valuable information as well as emotional support. Find out how patients are using technology to heal healthcare. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How Technology Is Transforming Healthcare: When we spoke with Dr. Marschall Runge, we reminisced about the changes in medical care that have taken place since the time of his grandfather, a general practitioner. There is quite a contrast. While his grandfather made house calls, few doctors today would do so. However, some very modern medical centers now offer patients the option to recover at home from a major procedure. Dr. Runge describes his personal experience with at-home recovery following hip replacement surgery. The clinical staff was able to keep close tabs on his progress with the help of a variety of monitors, and a nurse was available to answer questions or provide advice until he was back on his feet. There are distinct advantages to the patient to be able to recover at home; among other things, he could sleep much better in his own bed. What other digital technology will healthcare employ? One possibility is using AI conversational agents to assist with differential diagnosis. Some devices can detect depression based on a patient’s speech. Others can pick up heart rate variability, an important parameter of heart health. Dr. Runge does not expect that robots will replace doctors. They could be very helpful in certain situations, though. How Patients Are Using Technology: We turn next to Susannah Fox, author of Rebel Health. She has been studying how patients are using technology to improve their health for decades. We first met Susannah through our mutual friend, Dr. Tom Ferguson. He was a staunch advocate for self-care and excited about the prospects for the internet. (His white paper, “e-Patients: How they can help us heal health care” is a classic. Look for it at the .) Not only do patients everywhere now have access to ), they can also connect with each other. Peer-to-peer advice and care is a topic Susannah knows well. In some cases, patients have conducted research that is focused on the questions crucial to their lives; these are not always the same things that researchers want to study. One shining example of patient-initiated research is a paper in Nature on long COVID by the Patient-Led Research Collaborative (; ). This paper has been downloaded 2 million times, illustrating the value of patient-led research. In addition to this outstanding example, some journals have adopted a policy of disclosing patient input into the research. Although very few studies report patient input, setting the expectation that they might make valuable contributions could help shape the perception of who ought to be involved in developing research protocols. Patients Using Technology to Access Medical Knowledge: PubMed is an impressive collection of published medical information because it is an online index of important research publications. Some of the journal articles could be difficult for patients to understand, however, as researchers are writing for other scientists and may often use specialized or complicated language. Now people are using LLMs like ChatGPT or Claude to summarize the articles in language they can understand. Indeed, these AI agents can translate articles into a different language if necessary for comprehension. With this technology, patients are better able to determine if their diagnosis makes sense and to search for potential interventions that might be useful in their specific case. Imbalances of Power and Attention: Despite these changes, there are still many medical systems that resist potential input from patients. Power is not evenly distributed, and Susannah Fox has found that many people are furious about it. We asked her to describe the schematic from Rebel Health that epitomizes where most attention is needed. It has two axes, one running from visible to invisible and the other from needs not met to needs met. A lot of medical care is devoted to the upper right quadrant–visible needs that are being met. The lower left quadrant, where the needs seem invisible and are not being met, is where patient frustration comes to a head. Rare diseases often fall into this category. Researchers and physicians need to know about patients’ lived experiences so that invisible needs not being met can be addressed. Using Technology to Repurpose Old Drugs: One of the ways in which AI is contributing to important changes in medical care is the search for medicines that can treat inadequately treated diseases. Susannah Fox praised the efforts of is using AI to uncover how old drugs can be used to treat cancers, rare diseases, immunologic disorders and other problems that don’t yet have effective standards of care. Other patients who are showing the way to using AI for improving patient experience and patient health are Dave deBronkart () and . They have found that using an agent like ChatGPT in a dialog can help them move forward a lot more quickly in solving patient problems. Online Prescribing and Dispensing: Around the turn of the 21st century, Joe and Dr. Tom Ferguson had a heated ongoing disagreement about the concept of online prescribing. Tom was enthusiastic and Joe was skeptical, to say the least. Susannah Fox weighs in on this argument supporting Tom’s side at this point. With wearables like smart watches or continuous glucose monitors to track important markers of health, we see some patients using technology to follow up on how well their prescriptions are working, regardless of whether they were prescribed in the office or online. We also asked Susannah to provide advice for how we can successfully advocate for our own health. Her most important nugget: ask good questions! Clinicians appreciate good questions that help them re-think the patient’s situation or explain it more clearly. This Week’s Guests: Marschall S. Runge, M.D., Ph.D., is the former executive vice president for Medical Affairs at the University of Michigan, dean of the Medical School, and CEO of Michigan Medicine. During his tenure in these leadership roles, Dr. Runge implemented transformative change and positioned Michigan Medicine and the Medical School internationally for continued success. He earned his doctorate in molecular biology at Vanderbilt University and his medical degree from Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, where he also completed a residency in internal medicine. He was a cardiology fellow at the Massachusetts General Hospital. Dr. Runge is the author of Marschall Runge, MD, PhD Susannah Fox helps people navigate health and technology. She served as Chief Technology Officer for the US Department of Health and Human Services, where she led an open data and innovation lab. Prior to that, she was the entrepreneur-in-residence at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and directed the health portfolio at the Pew Research Center’s Internet Project. She is the author of . Her website is Susannah Fox, author of Rebel Health: A Field Guide to the Patient-Led Revolution in Medical Care The People’s Pharmacy is reader supported. 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Show 1363: Defeating Seasonal Affective Disorder (Archive) 02/07/2026

Show 1363: Defeating Seasonal Affective Disorder (Archive) In this episode, we interview the doctor who first identified seasonal affective disorder (back in 1984!) and went on to develop treatments. Even when days are short (but getting longer, little by little) and skies are gray, you don’t have to suffer with a bleak outlook. Find out what you can do to counteract this common but serious problem. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. One of the most effective treatments for SAD and the similar but less severe winter blues is bright light therapy. Not all sufferers respond to light therapy alone, however. Dr. Rosenthal describes the additional approaches that improve people’s response. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on November 13, 2023. What Is Seasonal Affective Disorder? By now, many people are aware that some individuals have a hard time with short days and long nights. Their appetites and sleep patterns may change, and they may retreat from social activities because they can’t get energized. They have trouble concentrating and may become irritable. It’s as if they get depressed every year at the same time, on cue. Psychiatrists estimate that about 5 percent of the population experiences seasonal affective disorder, or SAD. That could be as many as 10 million Americans. At times, physicians may prescribe antidepressants, but usually the treatment that works best for SAD is light. Evidence suggests that the lack of sunlight, especially when someone feels stressed, is a prime trigger for seasonal affective disorder. Is SAD Linked to Latitude? The further from the equator you get, the more pronounced are seasonal differences in daylight. Think of a place above the Arctic Circle, for example, like Tromsø, Norway. In the summertime, they celebrate the midnight sun. In the winter, however, people in Tromsø see very little daylight. Unless they are uncommonly resilient, they could be susceptible to SAD. Light for Seasonal Affective Disorder: The principal treatment for SAD is light therapy, usually utilizing a light box. This must be a minimum of one foot square and supply at least 10,000 lux. That is the equivalent of being outside on a cloudy day. Generally, the prescription is for 20 to 30 minutes of exposure every morning. People who would rather not use a light box might be able to spend that time outdoors under the dome of the sky. A roof, awning or umbrella would undermine the treatment. Approximately 30 to 40 percent of people with seasonal affective disorder do not respond completely to light therapy. They need additional help beyond light exposure alone. Exercise has been shown to benefit them, especially if it is conducted outside. Cognitive behavior therapy is also extremely helpful, as is meditation. Lastly, people with SAD may want to pull back from their usual social activities. If they can maintain their social connections, this is very therapeutic in the effort to defeat seasonal affective disorder. The Autumn Checklist for Defeating Seasonal Affective Disorder: Those who know that they often experience SAD should get ready before winter. Dr. Rosenthal recommends addressing the following questions: 1. Have I purchased a light box for the winter? 2. Do I have at least one bright, inviting room in my home? 3. Have I made plans for at least one winter vacation in the sun? 4. Should I check in with my doctor since I am entering my season of risk? 5. Have I notified close family members and friends that I may need extra support? 6. Do I have a physical fitness program in place? (It’s easier to keep exercising than to start.) 7. Could I reframe my attitude and look at winter as a challenge instead of an affront? 8. How can I find beauty in the colorful season of autumn, here and now? Although Dr. Rosenthal doesn’t mention it, perhaps noticing signs of spring could instill hope. Our yard in North Carolina has both snowdrops and hellebores blooming in January, reminding us that spring blossoms will start up before too much longer. This Week’s Guest: Norman E. Rosenthal, MD is a psychiatrist and scientist who first described SAD in 1984 and pioneered light therapy as a treatment. Dr. Rosenthal is currently Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Georgetown University School of Medicine. Dr. Rosenthal is the author of several books, his most recent being His website is / Dr. Norman E. Rosenthal, author of Defeating SAD /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/40028375

Show 1460: Calming Chronic Inflammation Without Medication 01/31/2026

Show 1460: Calming Chronic Inflammation Without Medication Inflammation is a double-edged sword. When you have a sudden injury or infection, your body responds by calling immune cells to the site of the problem. It may become red, swollen and painful, but all that is supposed to be part of the healing process. What happens with chronic inflammation is more insidious. Many serious diseases, such as diabetes, depression or heart disease, feed off chronic inflammation. Anti-inflammatory drugs can control the problem temporarily, but they have drawbacks if they must be used continuously. How can we go about calming chronic inflammation without medication? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How Inflammation Works: One of the hallmarks of modern life is the impact of stress on the digestive tract. Excess weight, unrelenting stress and environmental toxins can all contribute to an immune system that goes into overdrive. Sometimes the consequence will be an imbalance in the microbiota, with the result that the tight junctions of the gut are disrupted. That can lead to “leaky gut,” more respectably termed “intestinal permeability.” When pathogens or toxins that should be confined to the gastrointestinal tract start circulating elsewhere, the immune system reacts. If the process continues, the consequence is chronic inflammation. Are there natural approaches to calming chronic inflammation? Calming Chronic Inflammation: When we want to help our immune system so that it doesn’t have to be hypervigilant all the time, we should start with our diet. If dysbiosis contributes to leaky gut and inflammation, the best approach might be to feed our gut microbes what they need. In most cases, that means increasing our fiber. Gut microbes thrive on fiber, and most Americans don’t get close to eating enough. Another important aspect, of course, is to avoid foods that might cause trouble. According to Dr. Low Dog, fructose degrades tight junctions in the intestines and could contribute to intestinal permeability and inflammation. To reduce fructose, we just need to cut back on sweets Finding Fiber in our Food: Where can we find fiber in our diet? Starting with breakfast, a lot of folks enjoy cold cereal, pancakes or pastries. There’s not much fiber in any of those, unless you’ve chosen bran cereal. But even a choice as simple as eating an apple with the skin on can provide a good amount of fiber. Do you like salmon for breakfast? That’s a very anti-inflammatory choice. One worrisome development is the spread of microplastics throughout our diet. As a result, most of us have microplastics in our bodies. Some of the compounds in these little particles of plastic are endocrine disruptors that contribute to inflammation. Maintaining Healthy Barriers: The colon is not the only part of the digestive tract that provides an important barrier. The mouth is also susceptible. Brushing, flossing, dental care and a low-sugar diet are important steps to protecting our bodies against chronic inflammation. Periodontal disease contributes in a major way. To maintain good tight junctions, we need to eat about 20 grams of insoluble fiber and 8 grams of soluble fiber daily. Beans and vegetables are great sources of both. Nuts and seeds like sunflower seeds or walnuts are also good sources. So are whole grains. And if we have any trouble reaching our fiber goals with diet, there is nothing wrong with adding a daily dose of psyllium, which is mostly soluble fiber. It lowers cholesterol and can reduce the risk of diabetes as well as promote regularity. Herbs to Ease Inflammation: In addition to paying attention to a high-fiber anti-inflammatory diet, we can benefit by using certain herbs or spices to calm chronic inflammation. Green tea, garlic, onions, hot peppers and other flavorings all have anti-inflammatory power. Turmeric, the yellow spice in curry, is a potent anti-inflammatory. To get the best benefit from adding turmeric to food, it should be used to spice a meal with some fat in it. Black pepper as part of the spice profile also helps with the absorption of compounds from turmeric. Dr. Low Dog cautions us all to vet our turmeric carefully, though. Some brands are high in lead. She suggests that Simply Organic and McCormick are both brands that were relatively free of lead when tested by or . One supplement that may be unfamiliar to most listeners is nattokinase. It is derived from natto, a fermented soybean dish that is very popular in Japan. People who are taking anticoagulants should probably avoid nattokinase, even though it has anti-inflammatory activity. It could interact with anticoagulants and increase the danger of bleeding. We would add that precaution should also hold for curcumin supplements derived from turmeric. They should not be taken by anyone on an anticoagulant. Other Natural Approaches to Calming Chronic Inflammation: When we asked Dr. Low Dog about her favorite way to calm chronic inflammation, she mentioned walking in nature. High cortisol levels drive chronic inflammation, but green spaces reduce stress and help bring cortisol down. Other marvelous approaches include seeking out ways to embrace contentment and joy and humor. For some people, that will mean meditation. For others, it will mean hanging out with good friends or going for a run. Nourishing our mental and spiritual health with art and poetry help connect us with meaning and purpose in our lives. This Week’s Guest: Tieraona Low Dog, MD, is a founding member of the American Board of Physician Specialties, American Board of Integrative Medicine and the Academy of Women’s Health. She was elected Chair of the US Pharmacopeia Dietary Supplements/Botanicals Expert Committee and was appointed to the Scientific Advisory Council for the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Tieraona Low Dog, MD, author of Fortify Your Life Her books include: Women’s Health in Complementary and Integrative Medicine; and . Dr. Low Dog’s latest is eBook is . Physical copies are available for purchase via Amazon: . Her websites are and The People’s Pharmacy is reader supported. When you buy through links in this post, we may earn a small affiliate commission (at no cost to you). /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39944570

Show 1459: Food Is Medicine: Should Your Doctor Be Prescribing Produce? 01/24/2026

Show 1459: Food Is Medicine: Should Your Doctor Be Prescribing Produce? One of the most basic pillars of health is good nutrition. A range of eating patterns might all be considered balanced diets, but in general people do better when they eat less processed foods and more whole foods. Vegetables and fruits play a starring role in at least two diets that have been studied extensively, the DASH diet and the Mediterranean diet. Americans might be healthier if we followed these eating plans, but fresh veggies can be pricey. If your doctor were prescribing produce, would your insurance plan cover it? Might this make healthful eating more of a practical possibility? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Food Is Medicine: Increasingly, healthcare providers are recognizing the critical role of diet in the development of chronic disease. An entire movement is organizing around the concept of Food Is Medicine, both for prevention and for treatment of conditions like diabetes, obesity and heart failure. Scientists have shown that diet makes a difference. Studies have confirmed what many of our grandparents or great-grandparents intuited. On the other hand, translating that knowledge into action that benefits patients has been difficult. One important barrier is the cost of fresh fruits and vegetables. Doctors Prescribing Produce: People could get healthful food in a variety of ways. Past generations often had gardens and grew much of their own produce. That’s not always practical in urban settings or for families with multiple jobs struggling to make ends meet. Our guests today have tested two ways to get fresh food into people’s hands. One is a debit card that can be used to buy any WIC-approved food at more than 66,000 retail outlets across the country. for Women, Infants and Children. WIC-approved foods include fresh fruits and vegetables with no added sugar or salt. In this model, the healthcare provider arranges for certain patients to get access to this debit card, providing $40 worth of purchasing power for healthy foods each month. They are essentially prescribing produce. The idea is to use a business model that supports good food and saves the health system money. This is termed a healthy food subsidy. The other approach is a food box. This includes vegetables and fruits, and possibly other foods, that providers decide the patients should get. In some initiatives, the person or agency deciding what goes in the food box might also take into account what is available from local farmers. The box may be distributed weekly, every two weeks or every month, but the individual who is going to be eating the food does not choose what is in it. How Does a Healthy Food Subsidy Compare to Food Boxes When Providers Are Prescribing Produce? When people don’t know if they will be able to pay for the groceries they need, they are said to be “food insecure.” This complicates a range of chronic conditions, making diabetes more challenging, for example. People with food insecurity have a harder time keeping their blood pressure under control. Our guests collaborated with other colleagues on a recent comparing the food box approach to the healthy food subsidy among North Carolina resident with high blood pressure and food insecurity (). The study enrolled 458 individuals. Everyone in the study had a provider prescribing produce. Half the volunteers got the food subsidy debit card and half were provided with food boxes. Those getting the food subsidy had moderately lower blood pressure after six months compared to those getting food boxes. Their blood pressure was also lower after a year and a half. Food insecurity decreased in both groups over time. Tackling Food Insecurity: One of the outcomes of food insecurity is that people are more likely to need emergency department services. This costs the insurance company dearly. If improving food security and diet quality could reduce ED visits, insurers might become quite interested in the food subsidy approach. This is currently being tested for participants with heart failure. Special Populations Who Might Need Providers Prescribing Produce: During this conversation, we expressed concern about vulnerable populations that might suffer especially from cuts in government spending. We asked about school lunches and we learned about pilot programs focusing on expectant mothers. Children in foster care are especially vulnerable; a food subsidy program taking a Food Is Medicine approach could be helpful for them. This Week’s Guests: Seth A. Berkowitz, MD, MPH, is Associate Professor of Medicine at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine. He is also Section Chief for Research, General Medicine and Clinical Epidemiology. Dr. Berkowitz is a general internist and primary care doctor, studying how food and nutrition interventions can improve health. Dr. Berkowitz is the deputy scientific director of the American Heart Association’s Food is Medicine initiative, Health Care by Food initiative. He is also the author of the recent book, ‘.’ The People’s Pharmacy is reader supported. When you buy through links in this post, we may earn a small affiliate commission (at no cost to you). Dr. Seth Berkowitz of UNC promotes Food Is Medicine Peter Skillern has pursued a career dedicated to creatively and effectively addressing poverty and inequality in North Carolina and the nation. He serves as the CEO of Durham-based Reinvestment Partners, an innovative nonprofit that works with people, places and policy to foster healthy and just communities. Reinvestment Partners advocates for financial and health reforms to improve people’s lives. The agency has won numerous accolades and is considered a state and national leader in its field. In recognition of his leadership, he was selected as a William Friday Fellow for Human Relations and as an Eisenhower Fellow for International Relations. He holds North Carolina General Contractor and Real Estate Broker licenses. He received his B.A. from the University of California Santa Cruz with Highest Honors. A 1991 graduate of the Department of City and Regional Planning at UNC Chapel Hill, he was recognized as a Distinguished Alumni by the UNC faculty in 2020. Peter Skillern, CEO of Reinvestment Partners /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39861190

Show 1458: Psychotherapy on Your Phone: Can AI Fill the Therapy Gap? 01/17/2026

Show 1458: Psychotherapy on Your Phone: Can AI Fill the Therapy Gap? Millions of people are feeling apprehensive these days. The headlines are enough to make almost anyone feel anxious. People who are distressed may have a difficult time finding a therapist, however. There are too few, and consequently many are not taking new patients. Wait lists are long, often three to six months. Therapists who are accepting patients may not take insurance, and therapy can be pricey. A single session of gold-standard cognitive behavioral therapy can cost from $100 to $250. Could AI fill the therapy gap, offering psychotherapy online? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Can AI Fill the Therapy Gap? Conversational agents like ChatGPT, Gemini or Claude have become nearly ubiquitous. People use them to help write resumes, pitch stories, create images for web or social media posts and make financial projections. Using these chatbots to give feedback as in therapy is surprisingly popular. But how well can AI fill the therapy gap, really? Today’s guest has been studying these interactions. Chatbots as Therapists: The conversational agents are also referred to as LLMs, for Large Language Models. It describes how they have been trained by scouring the internet. That allows them to predict the most likely word to come next in a sentence, or the probable next idea in a paragraph. They can’t actually think, but if something has been posted online, they have access to it. At this point, the technology has become so refined that chatbots easily pass the Turing test; it is difficult to reliably distinguish AI from human responses. There are advantages to having “someone to talk to” any time, any place. Younger people in particular are digital natives and often feel more comfortable with technology than face-to-face with a human. What Are the Downsides of Having AI Fill the Therapy Gap? The training of AI agents as therapists, though, gives rise to some serious flaws. Because they are trained to elicit positive responses from humans to keep people engaged, they have a sycophancy bias. Have you noticed that most messages start by telling you your idea is great? That makes you feel good, and you are less likely to quit the conversation. But it isn’t necessarily how therapy is supposed to work. If people are not challenged when appropriate, they may get stuck and not make any progress toward healthier attitudes or behaviors. They may fail to develop the critical skill of stress tolerance. In addition, chatbots are disconnected from reality. This could become a serious problem if a user starts to become delusional or is in an acute crisis. Anxiety as a Habit: Dr. Brewer suggests that we would do well to think of anxiety as a habit. He credits a 1985 paper by an investigator named Tom Borkovec suggesting that worry drives anxiety rather than being a mere symptom of anxiety. Worrying leads people to dwell on possible catastrophic outcomes, which understandably makes them more anxious. Treating anxiety as a habit, especially by finding a better reward than the illusion of control offered by worrying, could be effective. Responding with curiosity and kindness might offer a better outcome. He has studied this possibility. When you treat anxiety as a habit that can be changed, anxiety scores decline by 67%. That is quite impressive. Using Chatbots to Kick the Worry Habit Could Help AI Fill the Therapy Gap: One way to use AI effectively is to train conversational agents specifically to monitor for safety in other human-chatbot interactions. Given clear rules, they can do this very well. Also, chatbots could be used not so much as teaching assistants but as learning assistants. They could help people who are striving to change their anxiety habit. This might be integrated with video tutorials from an expert human, such as Dr. Brewer or one of his colleagues. They are testing this approach currently. Hopefully, it will prove more effective than the 20% response rate to SSRI medication for anxiety. This Week’s Guest: Jud Brewer, MD, PhD, is an internationally renowned addiction psychiatrist and neuroscientist. He is a professor in the School of Public Health and Medical School at Brown University. His 2016 TED Talk, “A Simple Way to Break a Bad Habit,” has been viewed more than 20 million times. He has trained Olympic athletes and coaches, government ministers, and business leaders. Dr. Brewer is the author of , the New York Times best-seller, , and his latest book is . You can find more information on the skills-based program for anxiety that Dr. Brewer developed at Judson Brewer, MD, PhD, Brown University, author of Unwinding Anxiety The People’s Pharmacy is reader supported. When you buy through links in this post, we may earn a small affiliate commission (at no cost to you). /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39766675

Show 1457: How to Strengthen Your Immune System for Cold and Flu Season 01/10/2026

Show 1457: How to Strengthen Your Immune System for Cold and Flu Season Influenza usually starts in November, and cases increase throughout the winter, not fading until March or so. is especially severe. An awful lot of people are suffering with fever, cough, congestion, body aches, headaches and other symptoms of influenza. Of course, flu is not the only infection out there. Other viruses are also causing sniffles, coughs and pure misery. Is there any way to strengthen your immune system to be ready for cold and flu season? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How to Strengthen Your Immune System: If you want to strengthen your immune system so it can fight off infections, the first rule is don’t get in its way! In today’s world, that is easier said than done. Drugstores are full of cold and flu remedies, and nearly all of those contain an ingredient designed to lower fevers. That is generally counterproductive. Fevers help the body in its battle against infection. In fact, you might want to induce a fever responsibly. Using Heat to Fight Flu: Numerous cultures have noted that people recover from respiratory infections like influenza more quickly if they are exposed to heat. They have developed myriad ways to accomplish this task. One that is accessible to most North Americans is hydrotherapy: application of heated, wet towels to the body for 20 minutes or so, followed by a brief exposure to cold such as a chilled-mitt rubdown. Take care not to burn the skin. Our guest, Dr. Roger Seheult, suggests that you can learn more about this approach from Bruce Thompson, an Australian physiotherapist whose website is If hot wet towels do not appeal, getting into a sauna or even a hot tub for a short session might help. Pay attention to any contraindications, though. Above all, don’t take medicines such as aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen or acetaminophen. When they lower your fever, they are also reducing the effectiveness of interferon, which is one of the innate immune system’s first lines of defense against viral infection. The widespread use of aspirin during the 1918 flu may have contributed to the horrifying death toll. Other Drugs That May Cause Trouble: Fever is not the only consideration. Many people now take powerful medicines to suppress their immune systems. These treatments alleviate the symptoms of autoimmune conditions such as Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis and eczema. Helpful as they are, though, they work in part by undermining the immune system. People on any of these meds are at higher risk for infection, and that is not good news during a bad flu season like this one. This might be a situation that calls for wearing an effective mask, such as an N95, when going out in public. Strengthen Your Immune System with NEWSTART: Paying attention to eight pillars of good health can help you strengthen your immune system. Dr. Seheult has offered a mnemonic he learned from a colleague, Dr. Neil Nedley of the Weimar Institute: NEWSTART. Let’s find out what it stands for. Nutrition: Packing your diet with vegetables, fruits, whole grains and minimally processed proteins is smart prevention to strengthen your immune system any time of year. If you come down with the flu, you might want to consider chicken soup loaded with garlic. Garlic might be a good preventive measure also, while hot chicken soup can temporarily ease congestion and other symptoms. Nutritional supplements may also be worth consideration. Dr. Seheult cited a systematic review in the ). The authors found that vitamin D modestly reduced the risk of acute respiratory infections and shortened the duration of symptoms. So did vitamin C. Zinc supplements, on the other hand, did not prevent infection but they significantly shortened the duration. Zinc is most effective taken as a lozenge that dissolves gradually in the mouth rather than swallowed at once in a tablet. Dr. Seheult also uses N-acetylcysteine (600 mg twice daily) during cold and flu season to help his immune system stay effective. It has been shown to reduce inflammation in lung infections (I, March 15, 2025). He is also a fan of topical eucalyptus, a compound found in Vicks VapoRub and certain other products. You can recognize it from the aroma. Exercise: E is for exercise. Regular physical activity is a critical pillar of good health. If you are suffering from an acute infection like flu, though, give your body a break for a bit. Exercising to exhaustion is not a winning strategy when you’re exhausted by flu before you even start. Water: Hydration is super important during influenza season. We’ve already described how to use water to raise the body temperature responsibly. That is one way to strengthen your immune system while you are fighting an infection. Drinking enough water when you have a fever is also crucial so that you don’t get dehydrated. Sunlight: Morning exposure to sunlight helps keep the immune system in tune. Ideally, we would all have bright days and dark nights. Living indoors with artificial lighting means few of us meet that ideal. Nonetheless, getting sun exposure as possible, even just face and hands in northern areas, can be helpful. Among other things, it helps regulate natural production of melatonin. Mitochondria exposed to sunlight, especially infrared lengths, make their own essential melatonin. Temperance: This is not a term we use much any more, though it was once quite popular. It simply means moderation; more explicitly, it urges refraining from alcohol, tobacco and other toxins. We have explored some common toxins in other shows. Air: Florence Nightingale insisted on fresh air in hospitals. We should be equally adamant about having fresh air in our homes. Adequate ventilation significantly cuts the risk of infection with flu. We wish everyone paid more attention to this pillar. Rest: Getting enough sleep is an essential step to strengthen your immune system. But rest implies more than enough sleep. It also means rest and recharging with a weekly reset. Practicing the sabbath, whether within a religious context or a secular one, is a sound idea for maintaining good mental and physical health. Trust: This final piece of the NEWSTART mnemonic refers to social connections. Do you have a person you can trust? Are you a person someone else can trust? Being engaged in a social network that supports you is as important as exercise and nutrition for keeping your immune system healthy. This Week’s Guest: Dr. Roger Seheult is an Associate Clinical Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine, and an Assistant Clinical Professor at the School of Medicine and Allied Health at Loma Linda University. Dr. Seheult is quadruple board-certified in Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Diseases, Critical Care Medicine, and Sleep Medicine through the American Board of Internal Medicine. HIs current practice is in Beaumont, California where he is a critical care physician, pulmonologist, and sleep physician at Optum California. He lectures routinely across the country at conferences and for medical, PA, and RT societies, is the director of a sleep lab, and is the Medical Director for the Crafton Hills College Respiratory Care Program. Roger Seheult, MD, MedCram, Loma Linda, UC-Riverside Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program will be available Monday, Jan. 12, 2026, after broadcast on Jan. 10. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. In this week’s episode, we discuss the research suggesting that using Astepro, an OTC nasal spray, can reduce the risk of contracting COVID-19. Dr. Seheult also shares his vision of the innate and adaptive immune system working together in harmony like an orchestra. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39682205

Show 1420: The Cooking Oil Controversy Spotlights Cancer (Archive) 01/03/2026

Show 1420: The Cooking Oil Controversy Spotlights Cancer (Archive) This week, we dig into the cooking oil controversy. For decades, we’ve heard that we should be using vegetable oils rather than butter, lard or other fats (possibly even olive oil). Oils from corn, soybeans, sunflower or safflower seeds are rich in polyunsaturated fatty acids. Consequently, people consuming them may have lower cholesterol levels than those primarily using saturated fats. But could there be a downside? We hear from scientists who have found these seed oils may be linked to certain cancers. The Cooking Oil Controversy: The more we learn about fats, the more it seems that focusing on just one aspect may be too simplistic. In the 1990s, health experts told Americans to avoid all fat. When it became clear that low-fat diets were not necessarily making everyone healthy, we got the message that we needed to stick with polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) like those in corn or canola oil. There are, however, different types of PUFA. Chemists classify them as omega-3, omega-6 and omega-9 fatty acids. Only omega-3 and omega-6 are considered essential fatty acids. have a preponderance of omega-6 fatty acids. As a result, the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 in our blood has risen from a pre-industrial average of an estimated 4:1 to our current ratios of 20:1 (). This could have biological consequences. Dietary Fat and Cancer: Dr. William Aronson has asked how different types of dietary fat affect the progression of prostate cancer. Laboratory studies show that a diet high in corn oil accelerates the growth of human prostate cancer tumors implanted under the skin of mice. That inspired him and his colleagues to conduct a randomized controlled trial (). Fish Oil vs. Prostate Cancer: For their trial, they recruited 100 men diagnosed with prostate cancer who opted for active surveillance rather than immediate surgery or radiation. They assigned these volunteers to different diets for one year. One group followed their usual diet and did not take fish oil. The researchers instructed the other group in avoiding omega-6 fats in their diet, increasing the amount of omega-3 rich fish and taking fish oil supplements. Minimizing omega-6 fats meant staying away from fried foods, cooking oils, bottled salad dressing and mayonnaise. At the end of the year, there was a significant difference in an important prostate cancer biomarker called Ki-67. Does the Cooking Oil Controversy Extend to Other Cancers? We spoke with Dr. Timothy Yeatman about his research on colorectal tumors. His research was published in Gut, a leading journal for gastroenterologists (). He and his colleagues used a technique called lipidomics for their analysis. They found that the lipid profile of the tumors and their micro-environments is pro-inflammatory. They seem to lack the resolving mediators (“resolvins”) that should normally accompany healing. The balance has been disrupted. Dr. Yeatman suspects that some of this disruption may be due to changes in the microbiome that constitutes a lot of the immediate environment for colorectal tumors. He suggests that extensive use of seed oils high in pro-inflammatory omega-6 fatty acids may contribute to the imbalance. You can find soybean oil, for example, in many foods where you might not expect it, such as breads, cakes, cookies, crackers, chips and even hummus. Cooking at home allows people to avoid seed oils, but it takes time, skills and resources that are not available to everyone. Can We Resolve the Cooking Oil Controversy? Neither of the studies we discuss during this episode is definitive. Scientists need more research to be able to make solidly evidence-based recommendations. However, both our guests would suggest we need not wait for the final word to reduce the inflammatory potential of our diets. Reading labels carefully is a good first step to avoiding some of the seed oils that provide excess omega-6 fats and gravitate more toward omega-3 fats. This Week’s Guests: William Aronson, MD, is Professor in the Department of Urology of the David Geffen School of Medicine at the University of California, Los Angeles. He is also Chief of Urologic Oncology at the West Los Angeles Veterans Affairs Medical Center and Chief of Urology at the Olive View-UCLA Medical Center. Dr. William Aronson, UCLA Timothy Yeatman, MD, FACS, is Professor in the Dept of Surgery at the University of South Florida. He is also Associate Center Director for Translational Science and Innovation Tampa General Hospital Cancer Institute. His website is Timothy Yeatman, MD, University of South Florida Debora Melo vanLent, PhD, is Assistant Professor at the Glenn Biggs Institute for Alzheimer’s and Neurodegenerative Diseases at UT Health in San Antonio, TX. Her interview is part of the podcast. Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program will be available Monday, March 3, 2025, after broadcast on March 1. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. In addition to what you heard in the broadcast, the podcast also includes our discussion with Dr. Melo vanLent on her research into the link between dietary inflammation and dementia. , or listen to the podcast on or . Citations DiNicolantonio JJ & O'Keefe J, "The importance of maintaining a low omega-6/omega-3 ratio for reducing the risk of autoimmune diseases, asthma, and allergies." Missouri Medicine, Sep-Oct. 2021. Aronson WJ et al, "High omega-3, low omega-6 diet with fish oil for men with prostate cancer on active surveillance: The CAPFISH-3 randomized clinical trial." Journal of Clinical Oncology, Dec. 13, 2024. DOI: 10.1200/JCO.24.00608 Soundararjan R et al, "Integration of lipidomics with targeted, single cell, and spatial transcriptomics defines an unresolved pro-inflammatory state in colon cancer." Gut, Dec. 20, 2024. DOI: 10.1136/gutjnl-2024-332535 /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39599055

Show 1411: Could Your Kidneys Be Failing You? The Hidden Epidemic Affecting Millions (Archive) 12/27/2025

Show 1411: Could Your Kidneys Be Failing You? The Hidden Epidemic Affecting Millions (Archive) This week, our guest discusses how to prevent and treat a surprisingly common condition, chronic kidney disease. One in three Americans faces the risk factors for kidney disease; one in seven is actually living with the condition, although they may not be aware of it. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Could Your Kidneys Be Failing? According to the CDC, 36 million American adults have some form of chronic kidney disease. There are six stages of this condition, with stages 1 and 2 so mild that they don’t warrant treatment. Doctors start paying attention to stages 3a and 3b. Dr. Emily Chang describes how kidney disease is diagnosed and why we need to pay attention. In the earlier stages, kidney disease does not cause symptoms, so doctors rely on blood and urine tests to monitor function. What Do Your Kidneys Do? Most people are aware that the kidneys produce urine, primarily by filtering the blood and removing chemicals that are not needed. However, the kidneys also have numerous other functions that are critical for our health. They are vital to blood pressure control, and they regulate hormones essential to the preservation of bone strength. Main Risk Factors for Kidney Disease: We wondered why the rates of chronic kidney disease are increasing. The answer is fairly simple. More people have one or more of the factors that increase a person’s probability of experiencing kidney problems. These include high blood pressure and diabetes. In addition, there are numerous medications that can contribute to trouble for your kidneys. Just imagine how many of us take an NSAID such as ibuprofen or naproxen multiple times a week. That can put a significant strain on the kidneys. If ibuprofen upsets your stomach–as it could–you might turn to a PPI such as omeprazole (Prilosec) or lansoprazole (Prevacid). These medications can also pose challenges for the kidneys. “Sick Day” Meds: In general, blood pressure medicines are a help to the kidneys, because blood pressure control is so important. But certain blood pressure meds, especially ACE inhibitors like lisinopril or ramipril or ARBs like losartan or irbesartan, are considered “sick day meds.” They should not be taken on days when a person is under the weather and may be dehydrated. Under those circumstances, they might do as much harm as good. Another potential hazard for the kidneys is the contrast medium used in medical imaging. Sometimes this can be tough on the kidneys. That’s especially true for cardiac catheterization where the doses are higher and the exposure longer. Staying Hydrated to Protect Your Kidneys: Besides controlling risk factors, we can all help protect our kidneys by making sure we stay hydrated. What and how much should you drink? Plain water is always great. Caffeinated soft drinks are not particularly helpful, and neither are dark sodas or tonic water. As for how much, that is individual. Most people can rely on thirst, but as we age, thirst may be a less sensitive indicator. Older people may need to make sure they are drinking enough fluid to produce a reasonable amount of light-colored urine. What Diet Is Best for Your Kidneys? According to Dr. Chang, most of us don’t need to obsess about the amount of protein in our diets. Except at the most severe stages of chronic kidney disease, your kidneys can handle the protein you need for good nutrition. She recommends that people follow a DASH diet or a Mediterranean diet. Both are loaded with fresh produce, low in salt and sugar, and rich in whole grains. Scientists have studied the effects of the DASH diet thoroughly, and they know that it can help with blood pressure control. Likewise, following a Mediterranean diet can also promote healthy blood pressure and blood sugar management. New Medications for Kidneys: Doctors are adopting a type of medicine called SGLT-2 inhibitors to treat chronic kidney disease. One example is dapagliflozin (Farxiga), a drug initially developed to treat type 2 diabetes. It may keep kidney disease from worsening. Other drugs in the same category may also prove helpful. Scientists are also looking at GLP-1 agonists like semaglutide (Ozempic, Wegovy) to see if they might also benefit your kidneys. The podcast includes a discussion with Dr. Glenn Preminger of Duke University Health System about a related topic, preventing and managing kidney stones. This Week’s Guests: Emily Chang, MD, is Associate Professor of Medicine in the UNC School of Medicine . In addition, she is Co-director of the Kidney Palliative Care Clinic. Her research focuses on the application of ultrasound in all aspects of care for patients with chronic kidney disease. Emily Chang MD Glenn Preminger, MD, is the James F. Glenn, M.D. Distinguished Professor of Urology at Duke Medicine. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39541615

Show 1456: Beyond the Label: The Transformative Power of Diagnosis 12/20/2025

Show 1456: Beyond the Label: The Transformative Power of Diagnosis Do you know someone who has struggled for years to meet deadlines or manage their time? Perhaps you have a smart friend who just never did well in school (or possibly at work) because they couldn’t seem to turn papers (or reports) in on time. Such people might find a diagnosis of attention deficit hyperactivity is a relief. Could it free them to find new and hopeful ways to cope with challenges? In this episode, we explore the transformative power of diagnosis. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. The Transformative Power of Diagnosis: Our first interview on this topic is with psychiatrist Awais Aftab. Dr. Aftab has written about “the Rumpelstiltskin effect,” so we asked him to explain it to us (). He describes the relief and even therapeutic effect some people experience when their symptoms can be categorized by a diagnosis rather than as a character defect. This Rumpelstiltskin effect can be found in the folktales of a wide range of cultures as well as science fiction and fantasy. The idea that esoteric knowledge, even if it is only a name, can help offer a measure of control exemplifies the transformative power of diagnosis. The ritual of receiving a diagnosis may also give people relief from cognitive ambiguity. Some people find that a clinical diagnosis offers validation of their lived experience. In addition, getting a diagnosis may give them an avenue to connecting with others whose experience may be similar. Supportive communities have grown up around the diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder or Asberger’s syndrome. Dr. Aftab views the transformative power of diagnosis alone, regardless of any treatment available, as similar to the power of placebo. Potential Downsides of a Diagnosis: Just as a placebo may relieve symptoms and also cause side effects, the transformative power of a diagnosis may sometimes work against a person. If the patient getting the diagnosis finds that it helps clarify new steps toward managing his or her discomfort, it is a benefit. But if instead it becomes an invitation to succumb to symptoms, then it could be harmful. Stepping into the sick role can become maladaptive. A Second View: We discussed this idea with another psychiatrist, Dr. Robert Waldinger. He pointed out that a person’s previous experience and their family’s expectations could have a significant impact on whether the transformative power of diagnosis works for good or for ill. One example might be hypertension. One person receiving that diagnosis might remember that his father had hypertension and took his blood pressure medicine conscientiously and lived to a ripe old age. Another person might get the same diagnosis and freak out because a grandfather with hypertension died of a stroke. Helping People Manage without a Diagnosis: When life is hard, people may become anxious or despondent without a clinical mental disorder. They still need support. How can we help people talk about their uncomfortable feelings? Even mental health professionals may need practice to feel comfortable actually talking about a person’s authentic feelings. They may be frightened that the person will reveal despair that they don’t know how to alleviate. Dr. Waldinger reminds us that we don’t have to fix another person’s feelings, but truly listening can itself help. Authentic communication is the heart of connection. As with the transformative power of diagnosis, simply being heard and acknowledged may make a person feel better. Dr. Waldinger is fond of this quote: “Attention is the most basic form of love.” Relationships can help us in hard times. They also bring us joy. We also remind listeners of the crisis hotline 988 for those who are considering suicide. This Week's Guests: M. Awais Aftab, MD is a Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Case Western Reserve University. is Dr. Aftab’s Substack newsletter about exploring critical, philosophical, and scientific debates in psychiatric practice and the scientific study of psychology. [caption id="attachment_138067" align="alignnone" width="768"] Dr. Awais Aftab, Case Western Reserve University[/caption] Robert Waldinger, MD, is a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, director of the Harvard Study of Adult Development at Massachusetts General Hospital, and cofounder of the Lifespan Research Foundation. Along with being a practicing psychiatrist and psychoanalyst, Dr. Waldinger is also a Zen master (Roshi) and teaches meditation in New England and around the world. Dr. Waldinger, with co-author Marc Schulz, PhD, is the author of . The People’s Pharmacy is reader supported. When you buy through links in this post, we may earn a small affiliate commission (at no cost to you). [caption id="attachment_125867" align="alignnone" width="768"] Robert Waldinger, MD, author of The Good Life[/caption] Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program will be available Monday, Dec. 22, 2025, after broadcast on Dec. 20. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. In this week’s episode, Joe describes his experience with aphantasia and his relief at discovering there is a name for it. In the podcast, Dr. Waldinger discusses gratitude and how we can cultivate it, when it seems so easy to fall back on anger. One approach is the subtraction idea: we may feel irritated with our partner because of the way they load the dishwasher. But when we imagine what it would be like without them, we can experience gratitude that they are in our lives. We also consider the pain of estrangement and the difficulty of rebuilding relationships. Dr. Waldinger shares his personal story of estrangement and how it feels to make peace at last. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39480770

Show 1455: Common Culprits: How Infections Trigger Chronic Diseases 12/13/2025

Show 1455: Common Culprits: How Infections Trigger Chronic Diseases When doctors talk about infections, they are usually referring to acute situations in which the immune system gets overwhelmed by a virus such as influenza or chickenpox. Infections also result from the interaction of bacteria with the immune system, as in the case of pneumonia or sepsis. These can be crises, but they are relatively short-lived, resolving one way or the other within a few weeks or at most months. Could infections trigger chronic diseases? Our guest, evolutionary biologist Dr. Paul Ewald, thinks they do. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How Infections Trigger Chronic Diseases: Investigating the origins of chronic diseases requires a great deal of patience and the ability to examine several different areas that might be relevant. Over the past few decades, the technology for evaluating genetic contributions has improved greatly. What we have learned is that most chronic conditions are associated with a range of genes that each add a small amount of risk. To get further insight, we have to look at the environment. This broad area includes topics as far ranging as sunshine, stress and nutrition. In particular, we need to look at the pathogens present in any given environment, as they could play an important role in our health. Scrutinizing the environment is not enough. To understand the impact on disease, we need to know more about human behavior within that environment. How much sun exposure do the patients get? Are they sleeping? Where do they spend most of their time, and with whom? These all will help us understand the link to pathogens. What We Have Learned About the Microbiome: Over the past several decades, scientists have learned a great deal about the microbiome. The original conception of gut bacteria has been enriched with the understanding that almost every part of the human body has its own microbiome, almost as unique as a fingerprint. These collections of microbes live in harmony–or disequilibrium–with microbes from the environment. Some of these may be beneficial. Others undoubtedly are harmful, and we call them pathogens. How do pathogens trigger chronic diseases? How Does the Body React to Pathogens? When pathogens are detected, the immune system responds. Often, that comes in the form of macrophages, immune cells that circulate in the blood and attack the pathogens. Even a type of microbe that normally cohabits peacefully with the others in its space can cause trouble if it becomes too numerous or goes out of bounds. One example is Porphyromonas gingivalis. It’s usually found in the mouth. If it gets too exuberant there, it can cause gum disease. Worse, though, the macrophages dispatched to deal with P. ginigivalis anywhere in the body can end up collecting in atherosclerotic plaque in arteries (). Another example of pathogens causing unexpected trouble is Clostridium (or Clostridioides) difficile (C. diff). These bacteria can live among other gut microbes and you might not even know they were there. But if the microbiota become disturbed, from a course of antibiotic treatment, for example, C. diff can proliferate and cause terrible diarrhea that may be very difficult to treat. Studies indicate that C. diff has evolved so that the strains in hospitals are now more likely to be resistant to antibiotic medications. Alzheimer disease seems like a chronic condition rather than a complication of infection. Certainly, researchers have been examining genetic predispositions for the accumulation of beta-amyloid plaque in the brain. Yet Alzheimer disease is associated with microbes such as Chlamydia pneumoniae and P. gingivalis. Could flossing your teeth to reduce your chance of periodontal disease also help lower your risk of Alzheimer disease? Recent research has shown that older people receiving the . Perhaps amyloid plaques in the brain are part of an immune response to infection. Has Long COVID Shifted Our Perspective on Chronic Disease? Several decades ago, The People’s Pharmacy interviewed Dr. Paul Cheney, then of Incline Village, Nevada, about his patients with chronic fatigue syndrome. He believed at the time that . Years have passed, and no pathogen has been identified to satisfy the criteria as THE cause of myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME/CFS). Recently, though, millions of Americans have been struggling with a condition that seems rather similar. The only difference is that we know their symptoms began with a COVID-19 infection. Long COVID is difficult to treat. Patients suffering with this condition appear to be afflicted with a serious chronic disease. Researchers have not always found evidence of persistent infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Nonetheless, in most cases a COVID infection was clearly the origin. How has that changed our attitude toward the possibility that infections trigger chronic diseases? Other Mystery Conditions: As we contemplate the possibility that infections trigger chronic diseases, we should not overlook chronic Lyme disease. Most infectious disease experts insist it isn’t an infection. Some even resist the idea that people are suffering. Dr. Ewald suggests that perhaps the inability to identify pathogens in the wake of Lyme disease is due to using old techniques. The pathogens don’t show up on these tests, but that could be because they are hiding. Will newer techniques reveal them? What about the possibility that diseases like arthritis or schizophrenia are caused by pathogens in some cases? The evidence is tantalizing. Dr. Ewald urges us to look at the chronic phases of infection as well as the acute phases. This Week’s Guest: Paul Ewald, PhD, is an evolutionary biologist, specializing in the evolutionary ecology of parasitism, evolutionary medicine, agonistic behavior, and pollination biology. He is currently a Professor of Biology at the University of Louisville. Professor Ewald is a pioneer in evolutionary medicine and infectious disease research. He has challenged conventional wisdom on the causes and prevention of many chronic diseases with his idea that many diseases of unknown origin are the result of chronic low-level infections, which has ultimately been shown to be correct for a wide range of diseases to date. He is the author of and The People’s Pharmacy is reader supported. When you buy through links in this post, we may earn a small affiliate commission (at no cost to you). Paul Ewald, PhD, describes how microbes evolve Citations Huang X et al, "Porphyromonas gingivalis aggravates atherosclerotic plaque instability by promoting lipid-laden macrophage necroptosis." Signal Transduction and Targeted Therapy, May 23, 2025. DOI: 10.1038/s41392-025-02251-6 /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39391885

Show 1454: Stopping Airborne Viruses: Simple Steps to Cleaner Indoor Air 12/06/2025

Show 1454: Stopping Airborne Viruses: Simple Steps to Cleaner Indoor Air Do you worry about things you can’t see, smell or taste? Most of us don’t. Yet particles we can’t detect with our five senses are often present in the air we breathe. They have the power to make us sick. How can we achieve cleaner indoor air so that we have less chance of coming down with a serious infection? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. The Importance of Cleaner Indoor Air: When we talk about air pollution, the image that may arise is factories belching dark plumes of smoke. While the particles generated by industrial processes can indeed be dangerous for our health, sometimes the greatest danger is from particles we can’t even see. The COVID-19 pandemic brought this into sharp focus, as we realized that people who had not yet begun to experience symptoms could be spreading infectious viruses. But the need for cleaner indoor air is not limited to COVID, or even to an epidemic like measles or the flu. Many infections spread primarily on viral particles wafting through the air. We are reminded of this every winter, as cases of influenza start to rise. But respiratory syncytial virus, human metapneumovirus and dozens of rhinoviruses and coronaviruses that cause colds also travel on the air. So do measles viruses. Our guest, Dr. Linsey Marr, is one of the country’s leading environmental engineers. She got interested in airborne transmission of infection even before SARS-CoV-2 appeared. Then, with COVID, it became clear that the advice to the public about maintaining 6 feet of distance was inadequate to protect people from coming down with the infection. It was developed based on an outdated understanding of how infectious particles travel. Can You Tell If Indoor Air Is Contaminated? Given the extremely small size of viral particles, we might have to use our imagination to understand how they could be present. We can’t smell viruses. But if you imagine someone smoking a cigar in the room, you know that the smell will linger for quite a while after the smoker has left. Viral particles can float around like the smell of cigar smoke, which is why they can still be present even after an infected person has left the space. This viral behavior means that the riskiest places are those where many people congregate, especially during a season when infections are spreading. Think of grocery stores, hospitals, or athletic event venues. Wearing a tightly fitted N95 or KN95 mask could provide some protection (especially if others also wore masks). It is not a magic bullet, though. Japanese people accept mask protocol during flu season, and they have still experienced the spread of influenza. In the US, it is very unlikely that most people will accept wearing masks, even if it could help reduce their risk of infection. While we can’t measure viral particles in the air without complicated equipment, we can use a simple relatively inexpensive piece of equipment to check the ventilation in a space with multiple people. It is called a carbon dioxide (CO2) monitor. Because people exhale CO2, high levels of this harmless gas indicate lots of people breathing in the space without much ventilation. Fresh outdoor air runs about 400 ppm CO2; once indoor air reaches 1,000 ppm or higher, you may want to take action. Moving Toward Cleaner Indoor Air: Ventilation: Improving ventilation would be very advantageous. Most public places should strive to achieve at least 4 to 6 air exchanges per hour. More sensitive spaces such as health care facilities might benefit from a higher level of ventilation. Filtration: The other way to deal with airborne viruses is through filtration. Home air handling systems could be equipped with a high-efficiency particulate arresting (HEPA) filter. This is ideal, but it may not be practical in every space. Ordinary air filters carry a MERV number such as 8, 11 or 13. Higher numbers indicated better filtration capacity. In general, you’d want to use the highest MERV number your HVAC system will tolerate. Too high a number can create too much pressure and cause problems. What if you don’t have access to the filters for your air? That is the case for many apartment dwellers who have to share their air with everyone else in the building. One affordable option is to build and use a Corsi-Rosenthal box. It can be assembled at home for $50 to $70 and it works quite well to provide cleaner indoor air in the space where it is operating. Dr. Marr describes how to build one. with Dr. Corsi, including instructions on building a Corsi-Rosenthal box. Elimination: Another step toward cleaner indoor air might be to utilize ultraviolet (UV) light as a disinfectant. A unit that uses germicidal UV at a wavelength of 250 nanometers needs to be tucked into air ducts. That wavelength can damage eyes and skin. New technology is being developed using a slightly different wavelength of 222 nanometers. While still germicidal, it is supposed to be safe for human eyes. This Week’s Guest: Linsey Marr, PhD, is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech, where she leads the Applied Interdisciplinary Research in Air (AIR2) laboratory. Her research group focuses on the dynamics of biological aerosols like viruses, bacteria, and fungi in indoor and outdoor air. Marr teaches courses in environmental engineering and air quality, including topics in the context of global climate change, as well as health and ecosystem effects. She has been thinking and writing about how to avoid airborne viral transmission since the pandemic began, as in this article published in Environment International (Sep. 2020). Photo by Peter Means, courtesy of Virginia Tech. Dr. Linsey Marr of Virginia Tech. Photo by Peter Means, courtesy of Virginia Tech Dr. Marr mentioned her publication, with many colleagues, advocating for cleaner indoor air in public buildings. . Joe Graedon conducted this interview, as Terry was unavailable. Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program will be available Monday, Dec. 8, 2025, after broadcast on Dec. 6. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. This week’s episode contains some additional discussion of outside air, including the dangers of smoke from wildfires, along with particulates from car tires or microplastics. Citations Morawska L et al, "Mandating indoor air quality for public buildings." Science, March 29, 2024. DOI: 10.1126/science.adl0677 /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39305650

Show 1336: How the Antiviral Gut Tackles Pathogens from the Inside Out (Archive) 11/29/2025

Show 1336: How the Antiviral Gut Tackles Pathogens from the Inside Out (Archive) This week our guest is gastroenterologist Robynne Chutkan. She explains how keeping our digestive microbiota in good health can help our immune systems fight off pathogens from the inside out. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. What Determines Host Health? During the COVID-19 pandemic, we could all see big differences in who got sick and who seemed more resilient. Our immune systems are critical in determining just how susceptible we may be to infectious viruses like SARS-CoV-2. But what shapes our immune response? What we need is an immune system that reacts just the right amount. This “Goldilocks immune system” meets both internal and external threats without becoming overly exuberant. If the immune system fails to react adequately to external threats, like germs, we come down with an infection. Conversely, if it overreacts, we end up with allergies, sometimes very severe allergic reactions. In the case of internal threats, an overreaction leads to autoimmune conditions like Crohn’s disease. Lax response to an internal threat could allow a tumor to get out of hand. A hefty proportion of the immune system is localized in the vicinity of the digestive tract. As it turns out, the balance of microbes inside the gut has a significant impact on how the immune cells just outside the gut behave. Keeping the microbes balanced can help the immune system control pathogens from the inside out. Tackling Pathogens from the Inside Out: Even before the pandemic, lots of people wanted to know how to optimize their immune systems. That desire is only stronger now. Surprisingly, we can make a lot of progress with some very simple steps. Check the Medicine Chest: To start with, we should all be considering the medications we take. Quite a few common medicines can disrupt the gut microbiota. Proton pump inhibitors like omeprazole (Prilosec) or esomeprazole (Nexium) are not kind to digestive microbes. Neither are pain relievers like ibuprofen or naproxen. Besides disrupting the microbes, NSAIDs like these can irritate the lining of the gastrointestinal tract. Sometimes they are necessary. When they are not, they should be avoided. We could say the same for antibiotics. Our guest is a gastroenterologist. She understands the impact of pharmaceuticals on our digestive tracts better than most other physicians we have talked to. You will not want to miss her insights! Feed Them Fiber: Feeding our microbes what they need is crucial to keeping them healthy so that they can signal our immune systems properly. What microbes like is fiber, so a diet that leans heavily on plants is best. They also like variety. According to Dr. Chutkan, one study found that people who consume foods containing at least 30 different types of plants each week have the healthiest balance of microbes. She gives an example of oatmeal (one plant) with blueberries, coconut and walnuts (three more plants), served with almond milk (one more plant) and cinnamon (another plant). That brings the total up to six types of plants in one bowl. (Adding maple syrup gives one extra!) Other Essentials: There are some other practices that are crucial for keeping our immune systems in tune so they can manage pathogens from the inside out. Getting enough sleep helps reboot the immune system. So does physical activity, especially when it takes you into nature. Exposure to dirt sounds counterintuitive, but it can really help your immune system hum. Moreover, being outside is often a good way to address your stress. Dr. Chutkan cited the Japanese practice of “forest bathing” as a good way of de-stressing and helping the immune system. Healthy and Delicious: Finally, Dr. Chutkan shares some of her favorite recipes with us. There are lots more in her wonderful book, , with its detailed plan for improving our microbial balance and immune response. This Week’s Guest: Robynne Chutkan, MD, a board-certified gastroenterologist, is a faculty member at Georgetown University Hospital and is the founder of the Digestive Center for Wellness, an integrative gastroenterology practice located in Washington DC. Dr. Chutkan is the author of the digestive health books Gutbliss, The Microbiome Solution, The Bloat Cure and Robynne Chutkan, MD, author of The Anti-Viral Gut: Tackling Pathogens from the Inside Out An avid squash player, runner and yogi, Dr. Chutkan is passionate about introducing more dirt, sweat and vegetables into people’s lives. She also hosts the marvelous Gutbliss Podcast: /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39204050

Show 1453: From Lizard Spit to Ozempic: Rethinking How We Treat Diabetes 11/22/2025

Show 1453: From Lizard Spit to Ozempic: Rethinking How We Treat Diabetes Diabetes is a serious metabolic disorder that affects close to 40 million Americans. Most of them have type 2 diabetes, which means their bodies produce insulin, but their cells are not very responsive to it. As a result, blood sugar builds up and people run the risk of cardiovascular complications like heart attacks or strokes, along with kidney disease or vision problems. Nerve damage and even dementia appear to be more common among people with diabetes. Should we be rethinking the way we treat diabetes? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Rethinking How We Treat Diabetes: Our guest, Dr. John Buse, is known for his decades of diabetes research. We began our conversation by asking about his most recent study, called CATALYST. It considered the effects of a medicine that is not usually thought of as a method to treat diabetes: mifepristone. This research highlighted the impact of high cortisol levels (). This placebo-controlled trial compared the effects of mifepristone, which moderates the effects of this stress hormone, to those of placebo. Although many people found that mifepristone (Korlym) was difficult to take because of side effects, those who stuck with it lowered their HbA1c significantly. That is a measure of blood glucose over weeks rather than an instantaneous read-out. They also lost weight and waist circumference, on average about two belt notches. That made it a bit easier for their bodies to control their blood sugar. Consequently, some needed lower doses or fewer diabetes medicines. One advantage of this study is that it may help explain why some people have hard-to-control diabetes. Until now, neither patients nor doctors knew why, even though they were trying hard, some patients couldn’t make any progress. Dr. Buse admits that physicians used to blame patients, assuming they were not following their diet or taking their medicines. Now, seeing the dramatic effects of mitigating cortisol, they are starting to re-evaluate those assumptions. This could change how we treat diabetes. What Are the Side Effects of Mifepristone? Despite the benefits, nearly half of the study participants assigned to mifepristone missed out on them. They found the fatigue, nausea, vomiting, headaches joint pain and swelling intolerable. These are the consequences of interfering with cortisol. Some people experience dizziness or increased blood pressure. One particularly dangerous side effect is a drop in potassium, which could affect heart rhythm. People who are having trouble controlling their blood sugar despite their best efforts might ask their physician to check their cortisol levels. Where Does Lizard Spit Come In? Several years ago, Dr. Buse talked about lizard spit in one of our interviews. Why in the world would he mention lizard spit? It turns out that one of the components in the saliva of the Gila monster led to the first GLP-1 agonist. Rather than a monster, this is actually a very large venomous lizard native to the Sonora desert. It is illegal to capture or kill a Gila monster in Arizona. Researchers investigating the chemistry of its saliva developed the drug exenatide (Byetta). Subsequently, drug company researchers came up with a wide range of medications that work through GLP-1. You have probably heard of the best-known, which are semaglutide (Ozempic, Rybelsus, Wegovy) and tirzepatide (Mounjaro, Zepbound). These drugs are already changing the way we treat diabetes. Can You Reverse Prediabetes? The lifetime risk for prediabetes is one in three worldwide. Here is a short video clip of our guest, Dr. John Buse, describing the diabetes pandemic: But if we could identify and intervene before people actually develop diabetes, we might be able to prevent it. Doctors have been testing lifestyle changes and medications that might be able to keep people with prediabetes from progressing any further down that path. Physical activity can make a big difference, as it changes how the muscles utilize glucose. Changes in diet are also promising, although certainly far from easy for most of us. Doctors can also prescribe drugs like metformin as an early intervention. It is almost as effective as exercise. Other drugs that are changing the way we treat diabetes include the glitazones (pioglitazone and rosiglitazone). Another category of diabetes drug, those similar to empagliflozin (Jardiance), is already making a difference. Of course, like all medicines, these also can cause adverse effects as well as benefits. One exciting treatment for the future will be gene-modifying technology to treat diabetes. Proof of concept studies have already been conducted. How should the American diet change to reduce our risk of diabetes? Here is a short video clip of our guest, Dr. John Buse, describing the three changes he recommends. You will want to listen to the whole interview either live on Saturday morning or when it becomes available on this website Monday morning (11/24/2020). You can stream the audio by clicking on the white arrow inside the green circle under the photo of Armour Thyroid. You can also download the mp3 file by scrolling to the bottom of this article. Why not sign up for all our podcasts so you will never miss another People’s Pharmacy episode again? This Week’s Guest: John Buse, MD, PhD, is the Verne S. Caviness Distinguished Professor of Medicine at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, School of Medicine. He has received international recognition for innovative clinical care and efforts at prevention of type 1 diabetes, type 2 diabetes and their complications. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39132745

Show 1452: Why Is the FDA Planning to Ban Natural Desiccated Thyroid? 11/15/2025

Show 1452: Why Is the FDA Planning to Ban Natural Desiccated Thyroid? When the thyroid gland stops working efficiently, the effects resound throughout the entire body. That’s because this little gland controls metabolism in all our tissues. Before there was a treatment, thyroid disease was sometimes deadly. Doctors started prescribing natural desiccated thyroid derived from animals 130 years ago. This worked well. Synthetic levothyroxine (a thyroid hormone) was developed in 1970 and marketed aggressively. Now levothyroxine is one of the most commonly prescribed medications in the US. The FDA has announced that it plans to ban natural desiccated thyroid. What are the implications? We’ll check in with two experts to find out. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. What Should You Know about Natural Desiccated Thyroid? Thyroid extract from pigs contains two important thyroid hormones. Endocrinologists refer to them as T4, also called levothyroxine, and T3, known as liothyronine. The T4 molecule has 4 iodine atoms and is inactive. To activate it, the body uses an enzyme, deiodinase, that kicks off one iodine molecule resulting in activated T3 that does all the work in the tissue. When scientists discovered that T4 could be converted to T3, it opened the door to prescribing T4 alone, synthetic levothyroxine such as Levoxyl or Synthroid, to all hypothyroid patients. That became standard practice not long after Synthroid was introduced. There was a hitch, however. Some patients did not feel well even though they were taking levothyroxine. Until fairly recently, doctors downplayed these problems. Our guest, Dr. Antonio Bianco, helped conduct the research showing that some people have deiodinase enzymes that are less efficient at converting T4 to T3 (). This enzyme activity seems to be under genetic control. As a result, endocrinologists may find it easier to understand why some patients don’t respond to prescribed levothyroxine as expected. They may need liothyronine in addition. This could be provided with a separate prescription. On the other hand, people get both T3 and T4 when they take natural desiccated thyroid. You will want to listen to the whole interview either live on Saturday morning or when it becomes available on this website Monday morning (11/17/2020). You can stream the audio by clicking on the white arrow inside the green circle under the photo of Armour Thyroid. You can also download the mp3 file by scrolling to the bottom of this article. Why not sign up for all our podcasts so you will never miss another People’s Pharmacy episode again? What Symptoms Do People Suffer Without Natural Desiccated Thyroid? A majority of hypothyroid patients, perhaps 80 or 85 percent, are able to convert T4 to T3 well enough that they can use levothyroxine alone. The remainder, however, do not feel well on this regimen. They experience brain fog and low energy. They may also complain of other symptoms associated with undertreated hypothyroidism, such as difficulty with weight control, cold sensitivity and menstrual irregularities or fertility problems in women. An estimated 1.5 million Americans take natural desiccated thyroid. What will they do if the FDA bans this product? About half a million people take a combination of synthetic T4 and synthetic T3. That is one option, but some individuals prefer natural hormone. What Will Happen to Patients? We turn to patient advocate and activist Mary Shomon to learn about the patient perspective. She is concerned about the FDA’s announced plan to take natural desiccated thyroid (NDT) off the market in August 2026. (NDT is sometimes referred to as DTE, desiccated thyroid extract. They are the same thing.) It is not clear that the agency has considered what will happen to people forced to take a medicine that most of them have already tried without success, levothyroxine. Rethinking Levothyroxine Treatment: Mary Shomon points to recent research by Dr. Bianco and his colleagues suggesting that levothyroxine alone may not be quite as effective as most endocrinologists believe. In this analysis of medical records, hypothyroid people taking levothyroxine alone were twice as likely to die during the study period and had a 40% higher risk for developing dementia compared to people getting T3 along with T4 (). These new findings underscore the importance of information from the large number of patients in touch with Mary. As she says, there is enormous individual variation in which treatments help people thrive. She recommends that everyone who relies on natural desiccated thyroid should contact the FDA (as well as their Congresspeople) to let them know how banning these products would affect their lives. This Week’s Guests: Antonio Bianco, MD, PhD, is Senior Vice President of Health Affairs, Chief Research Officer and Dean of the John Sealy School of Medicine at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. Dr. Bianco is the author of . Antonio Bianco, MD, PhD VP & Vice Provost Research & CRO, Research Services Mary Shomon is a patient advocate and author. Her books include the New York Times bestseller and ten others. Her website is She is also a Paloma Health Advisor & Patient Advocate. Find her online at Her newsletter, Sticking Out Our Necks Hormonal Health News, is available on Substack. Here’s the link: Patient advocate Mary Shomon /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/39044215

Show 1451: Rethinking Dementia: Is What We Believed about Alzheimer’s Wrong? 11/08/2025

Show 1451: Rethinking Dementia: Is What We Believed about Alzheimer’s Wrong? For decades, neurologists and pharmaceutical firms have been focused on amyloid plaque building up in the brains as the cause of Alzheimer disease. Drug companies have developed compounds to remove that plaque, and they have been successful. There are medicines, notably lecanemab and donanemab, that reduce the amount of amyloid plaque visible on a scan. But they don’t seem to reverse the consequences of disease for the patient–confusion, memory loss, difficulty making decisions. Is it time for us to start rethinking dementia? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How Should We Be Rethinking Dementia? America is aging. Baby boomers, who make up a disproportionately large segment of the population, will soon be turning 80. That could be bad news as we imagine an enormous number of people disabled by dementia. There is a silver lining to that cloud, though. Compared to individuals born in the 1920s and 1930s, those born in the 1940s and 1950s have a lower risk overall of Alzheimer disease and other types of dementia (). Are there steps we can all take to reduce our risk of dementia even further? The Disappointing Results of Plaque-Removing Drugs: As we mentioned above, the FDA approved lecanemab (Leqembi) and donanemab (Kisunla) to treat Alzheimer disease (AD) because they reduce plaque in the brain. Family members may have had high hopes, but the only impact these drugs have on cognition is a slight slowing of the inexorable decline. They are, moreover, quite pricey and the scans to monitor potentially serious side effects are also expensive. Some people on these meds experience brain swelling or hemorrhage. Over the long term, they may be associated with brain shrinkage. None of those reactions is desirable What Else Can We Do to Reduce Our Risk of AD? One approach we might consider as we start rethinking dementia is low-dose lithium. Lithium has long been used to treat bipolar disorder, but the doses used are large and can trigger adverse consequences, especially for kidney function. New research has shown that people with mild cognitive impairment, a possible precursor to AD, have low levels of lithium in their brains (). Studies in mice show that low lithium levels seem to lead to amyloid plaque and tau accumulation. These are signatures of Alzheimer disease. Can we prevent or reverse this with low-dose lithium? That remains to be tested in a randomized clinical trial. Rethinking Dementia May Mean Vaccines: An impressive body of epidemiological evidence links vaccination against influenza or shingles to a reduced risk for dementia. A natural experiment in Wales () and another in Australia () have confirmed the causal connection. Vaccination against shingles significantly reduces the chance of developing AD later. People who get multiple vaccinations against the flu also get a measure of protection from dementia (). What Is Amyloid Plaque Doing in the Brain? Right from the start in 1906, when Dr. Alois Alzheimer described the condition, he flagged amyloid plaque in the brain as a distinctive feature. No wonder people thought of it as the cause of the disease. More recently, though, scientists have been rethinking dementia. They have found that beta amyloid has antimicrobial activity. Might the buildup of plaque indicate an infectious process? We still don’t know for sure, but it seems possible. Rethinking Dementia and Diet: Until now, scientists studying AD have paid very little attention to diet. They did not have much evidence that what we eat affects our risk for cognitive decline. There have been only a few randomized clinical trials of the MIND diet (Mediterranean-DASH Intervention for Neurodegenerative Delay [MIND] diet). So far, none has lasted long enough to tell whether it actually might help prevent dementia. That said, our guest suggests that the Mediterranean diet has ample evidence to support it. After all, what is good for the heart is also good for the brain. Physical Activity and the Risk of Dementia: There is very little doubt that aerobic exercise can help reduce your chance of an AD diagnosis. Recent research shows that people who consistently rack up 5,000 to 7,500 steps a day are much less likely to develop dementia than those who are sedentary (). Likewise, those who habitually walk at least 15 minutes at a time during the day appear to be somewhat protected from cognitive decline. Dr. Doraiswamy cautions, though, that we should avoid sports that increase the risk for concussion or head trauma such as boxing, mixed martial arts, football or even soccer. He generally recommends walking for seniors because it offers aerobic physical activity with minimal risk of head injury. In fact, he suggests a walking book club would be ideal. Not only do you get the body in motion, you engage the brain and practice social connection. All of these can be helpful in keeping our brains in shape. Dr. Doraiswamy’s research shows solving crossword puzzles can improve their cognitive function over the course of more than a year (). This could be an enjoyable approach to rethinking dementia and its prevention. Are There Drugs We Should Avoid? Certain medications work by interfering with acetylcholine, a crucial neurochemical. Such anticholinergic drugs, such as many urologists prescribe to treat overactive bladder, can impair cognition. One extremely common and potent anticholinergic is readily available without a prescription. Millions of seniors take it every night in the form of Tylenol PM, Advil PM or some other PM pain reliever. Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) makes people feel sleepy, so people often swallow it thinking that getting a good night’s sleep will help them stay sharp. Everyone concerned about preventing dementia should check with prescribers and pharmacists about all the drugs they take, including OTC pills. Reducing the anticholinergic burden is an important step toward protecting the brain. This Week’s Guest: Murali Doraiswamy, MD, is Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences. He is Director of the Neurocognitive Disorders Program and a Professor in Medicine at Duke University Medical School. He is a faculty network member of the Duke Institute for Brain Sciences. Dr. Doraiswamy is a Senior Fellow of the Center for the Study of Aging and Human Development. In addition, Dr. Doraiswamy is an affiliate of the Duke Initiative for Science & Society and of the Duke Center for Applied Genomics and Precision Medicine. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38959340

Show 1450: Beyond Cholesterol: Rethinking Your Risk of Heart Disease 11/01/2025

Show 1450: Beyond Cholesterol: Rethinking Your Risk of Heart Disease Heart disease is still our number one killer, even though 50 million Americans have been prescribed a cholesterol-lowering statin. Cardiologists pay a lot of attention to cholesterol in all its variety: total cholesterol, LDL, HDL, VLDL. Even blood fats like triglycerides and lipoprotein a [Lp(a)] are getting some attention. What else do you need to know to reduce your risk of heart disease or stroke? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. What Factors Shape Your Risk of Heart Disease? Our guest for this episode is a preventive cardiologist, a doctor whose practice is aimed at keeping people from getting heart disease. Even though heart disease ranks at the top of the list of reasons people die, it has been dropping. Dr. Michael Blaha points out that in some states heart disease has actually fallen below cancer as a cause of death. Presumably, that is not due to a dramatic increase in cancer mortality, but rather because we are successfully reducing the toll from cardiovascular disease. Cutting out smoking and removing trans fats from popular foods have helped a lot. Addressing obesity is also changing the equation. Treating Obesity Helps the Heart: We asked Dr. Blaha if the immensely popular GLP-1 drugs such as Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro or Zepbound are making a difference in our risk of heart disease. He believes they are the biggest breakthrough since statins. Other medications that could help reduce obesity might also benefit the heart and cardiovascular system. Cardiologists have long been urging people to embrace physical activity and sensible diets. Now the medications can give them a head start on those efforts. What Can We Do About Lp(a)? About one-fifth of Americans have elevated levels of lipoprotein a, usually abbreviated Lp(a) and pronounced ell-pee-little-ay. This risk factor is considered stable and is an important predictor of cardiovascular complications. According to a meta-analysis of 18 studies, Lp(a) is an independent risk factor for calcified aortic valves (). Several pharmaceutical firms are actively developing agents that could lower Lp(a). That would certainly be welcome, since statins actually raise levels of this potentially troublesome blood fat. This means that many heart patients are in the uncomfortable position of driving with their feet on both the brake and the gas pedals. Getting Blood Pressure Right: High blood pressure is a very common risk factor for heart disease and stroke. Doctors need to pay attention to balancing control of hypertension with potential side effects. Especially for older patients, the risk of orthostatic hypotension could be serious. This happens when blood pressure drops suddenly after a person stands from a sitting or reclining position. If they faint and fall, the results can be serious. People with concerns about hypertension need to make sure their blood pressure is being measured correctly. Incorrect measurement techniques, possibly resulting in inaccurate readings, are shockingly common in busy clinics. Dr. Blaha discussed the correct procedures, along with the reasons that doctors may prescribe ACE inhibitors (such as lisinopril) or ARBs (such as losartan) as their first-line choice for blood pressure control. Using the Risk Calculator to Estimate Your Risk of Heart Disease: We asked Dr. Blaha about the new PREVENT risk calculator produced by the American Heart Association. The algorithms in this tool appear much less likely to overestimate a person’s risk of heart disease than those that cardiologists used previously. All of the cardiology guidelines now recommend its use. You can find it , although you may not know all the numbers to plug in. How Does CAC Score Illuminate Your Risk of Heart Disease? Lately, cardiologists have been turning to the coronary artery calcium score, or CAC, to help estimate patients’ probability of developing circulatory problems. This is a CT scan of the heart that reveals the location of calcified plaque in the coronary arteries. In general, a higher CAC score indicates a higher level of cardiovascular risk. This measurement may be helpful in determining risk for people who aren’t clearly in a very high-risk category (or a very low-risk category) already. Dr. Blaha suggests it may also serve as a motivator for people who need to change their lifestyles to ward off serious cardiovascular consequences. Can You Reduce Your Risk of Heart Disease? Dr. Blaha suggests that everyone can benefit from paying attention to lifestyle recommendations. Getting adequate physical activity is crucial. So is consuming a diet rich in vegetables and fruits, minimizing highly processed foods. But these recommendations are overly general. People at higher risk of cardiovascular complications need more personalized advice from their doctors. How can you remove the barriers to exercise? Does the diet need more soluble fiber? What nutrients might be needed in addition? Individuals with chronic infections such as HIV need even more personalized attention. For example, a person with high levels of inflammation may need an anti-inflammatory drug such as colchicine (). This Week’s Guest: Michael J. Blaha, MD, MPH, is Professor of Cardiology and Epidemiology at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. He is the Director of Clinical Research for the Johns Hopkins Ciccarone Center for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease. Clinically, Dr.Blaha practices as a preventive cardiologist and in the interpretation of cardiac CT. Dr. Blaha has received multiple grant awards from the National Institutes of Health, FDA, American Heart Association, Amgen Foundation, and the Aetna Foundation. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38872960

Show 1393: How to Get the Sleep You Need (Archive) 10/25/2025

Show 1393: How to Get the Sleep You Need (Archive) The guest for this encore episode is sleep expert and medical communicator par excellence, Dr. Roger Seheult. With his certification in sleep medicine, he will tell you why you need to get enough sleep, along with how much is enough. If you find you have trouble sleeping, what can you do about it? Dr. Seheult has a lot of practical suggestions that go far beyond sleeping pills. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While our goal with these conversations is to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Why Is Sleep Important? Dr. Seheult likens our body to Disneyland. The Magic Kingdom requires a lot of upkeep–trash removed, rides inspected, shelves restocked, weeds pulled and so on–but it wouldn’t be nearly as magical if workers tried to do those chores during the day when visitors are present. Instead, they take care of all that maintenance at night when the park is closed. Our bodies also need a certain amount of “trash removal” and other upkeep. Some of that happens while we are sleeping. Sleep is not the same throughout the night. We dream during REM sleep, but that doesn’t happen until we have been sleeping for a while. Non-REM sleep includes deep sleep as well as an earlier phase. We cycle through these different types of sleep throughout the night, with more REM sleep near the morning before we wake. How Much Sleep Do We Need? We do need different amounts of sleep during the life cycle. Most everyone knows that babies need a lot, while children need less bit by bit as they grow older. Teenagers still need more sleep than adults, although they don’t always get it. Often, their sleep cycles shift so they stay awake later and find it more difficult to get up early. Most adults need about seven hours of sleep a night, plus or minus an hour or so. You can tell if you are getting enough sleep if you feel refreshed when you wake up without an alarm clock. One health problem that can keep people from getting the sleep they need is sleep apnea. In this condition, the tissues of the throat relax and obstruct breathing. Doctors often recommend a CPAP machine for their patients with sleep apnea. This provides Continuous Positive Airway Pressure that keeps the airways open and prevents interruptions in breathing. Not everyone appreciates the CPAP, though. A good seal requires careful fitting. Insomnia Anxiety as a Vicious Cycle: Knowing how important sleep is for our health can cause some people to become very anxious if they aren’t sleeping well. Anxiety is the enemy of sleep. Rather than stay in bed and worry about not being able to sleep, Dr. Seheult recommends getting up to do something not very exciting in another part of the home. The bedroom should be for only two activities, sex or sleep. Don’t learn to associate “not sleeping” with the bedroom. Small Screens: One thing to avoid is checking email or watching video in bed or just before bedtime. Small screens, computers and televisions emit blue light that has the effect of putting the brain on alert. In addition, dealing with difficult problems or exciting plots just before retiring does not help you relax. Listening is another matter, though. Some people find that listening to music can be helpful, as long as it is not too rousing. This Week’s Guest: Dr. Seheult is an Associate Clinical Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine, and an Assistant Clinical Professor at the School of Medicine and Allied Health at Loma Linda University. Dr. Seheult is quadruple board-certified in Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Diseases, Critical Care Medicine, and Sleep Medicine through the American Board of Internal Medicine. HIs current practice is in Beaumont, California where he is a critical care physician, pulmonologist, and sleep physician at Optum California. He lectures routinely across the country at conferences and for medical, PA, and RT societies, is the director of a sleep lab, and is the Medical Director for the Crafton Hills College Respiratory Care Program. Roger Seheult, MD, MedCram, Loma Linda, UC-Riverside MedCram In 2012 he and Kyle Allred founded MedCram L.L.C., a medical education company with CME-accredited videos that are utilized by hospitals, medical schools, and hundreds of thousands of medical professionals from all over the world (and over 1 million YouTube Subscribers). His passion is “demystifying” medical concepts and offering people the tools for staying healthy. We have found Dr. Seheult’s MedCram videos amazing. He has done an extraordinary job explaining COVID and the science behind various treatments. But he also makes many other complex medical topics understandable. This is a skill that few of my professors in the University of Michigan’s Department of Pharmacology could claim. Dr. Seheult was the recipient of the 2021 San Bernardino County Medical Society’s William L. Cover MD Award for Outstanding Contribution to Medicine and the 2022 UnitedHealth Group’s The Sages of Clinical Service Award. In 2022 both Roger Seheult and Kyle Allred received the HRH Prince Salmon bin Hamad Al Khalifa Medical Merit Medal from the Kingdom of Bahrain for their contribution to health policy in the Kingdom of Bahrain. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38778835

Show 1449: The Biology of Weight: Insights from GLP-1 Drugs and Hunter-Gatherers 10/18/2025

Show 1449: The Biology of Weight: Insights from GLP-1 Drugs and Hunter-Gatherers Losing weight is hard. That’s probably why almost three-fourths of American adults are overweight or obese. On this episode, we speak with a distinguished doctor and former FDA commissioner who has personal experience struggling with the scale. In this discussion of popular weight-loss drugs like Wegovy, we tackle the biology of weight. We also interview an evolutionary anthropologist about some human populations that don’t have problems with obesity. Is their active hunter-gatherer lifestyle burning more calories? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Has the Food Industry Hijacked the Biology of Weight? While Dr. David Kessler (our first guest on this episode) was FDA Commissioner, from 1990 to 1996, the agency made some major strides towards helping people understand what they are eating. That is when Nutrition Facts labels were standardized and required on all packaged food. In the US, if you buy food that is in a package, that Nutrition Facts label will tell you how big the serving is, how many calories per serving, and also data like the amounts of protein, carbohydrates, fat, and certain vitamins and minerals are supplied by each serving. If information were all that we needed to choose exactly what and how much to eat, there would be no weight problems. Yet Dr. Kessler’s own difficulties with the 10 pm cravings will not sound strange to many of us. The biology of weight may appear straightforward, but the allure of fat, salt and sugar to our reward centers may bypass rational decision-making. One of Dr. Kessler’s great achievements as FDA Commissioner was holding the tobacco industry to account. How has the food industry escaped similar scrutiny? It seems that the ultraprocessed foods that seem convenient and affordable are contributing to the toxic fat making us sick. GLP-1 Drugs to the Rescue: Given the difficulties people have trying to lose weight, it is no surprise that the GLP-1 receptor agonists like semaglutide (Wegovy and Ozempic) or tirzepatide (Zepbound and Mounjaro) have become popular. They seem to reduce the urge to eat and calm the food noise in people’s heads. Those 10 pm cravings Dr. Kessler describes disappear under the influence of these weight loss drug. He has taken such a medication himself to drop the 40 pounds he gained during the intense work period of the COVID-19 pandemic. These medications will be very helpful for many people, but they do have some serious side effects. (You can learn .) Healthcare should utilize them as a powerful tool, but just one in a toolbox that should have several. How Does Exercise Affect the Biology of Weight? The famous mantra, calories in calories out, suggests that we might be able to exercise our way to a healthy weight. After all, if you burn more calories than you take in, you should lose weight. But anthropologist Herman Pontzer, PhD, has studied people’s energy expenditures around the world. He and his colleagues used a sophisticated technique called double-labeled water to track the energy people burn. According to their data, humans’ daily energy needs don’t vary as much as we’d think, even when physical activity is vastly different. The Hadza, who get their dinner by tracking, hunting with bow and arrow and running after the injured animal, somehow use roughly the same amount of energy as Americans shopping at the grocery store. Their physical activity is enormously higher, though. (Check out this publication at the .) Apparently, we need to pay more attention to the calories (actually kilocalories) we consume if we want to understand the biology of weight. This Week’s Guests: David A. Kessler, MD, served as chief science officer of the White House COVID-19 Response Team under President Joe Biden and previously served as commissioner of the US Food and Drug Administration under Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. Dr. Kessler is a pediatrician and has been the dean of the medical schools at Yale and the University of California, San Francisco. He is the author of the New York Times bestsellers The End of Overeating and Capture and two other books: Fast Carbs, Slow Carbs and A Question of Intent. Dr. Kessler’s latest book is . David A. Kessler, MD. Photo copyright Joy Asico Smith Herman Pontzer, PhD, is Professor of Evolutionary Anthropology and Global Health at the Duke Global Health Institute. Dr. Pontzer is the author of . His latest book is Adaptable: How Your Unique Body Really Works and Why Our Biology Unites Us. Herman Pontzer, PhD, Duke Global Health Institute /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38629615

Show 1448: How to Stop Suffering with Sinusitis 10/11/2025

Show 1448: How to Stop Suffering with Sinusitis If you have ever suffered with sinusitis, you know how terrible it can make you feel. Breathing is difficult; smelling and tasting anything is impossible. What are the causes of sinusitis and what can you do about it? Joe and Terry talk with a leading physician who does research on how to treat sinusitis to find out how you can stop suffering with sinusitis. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Why Are You Suffering with Sinusitis? According to the CDC, almost 30 million American adults have been diagnosed with sinusitis. What are sinuses and why do they cause so much trouble? We asked Dr. Zara Patel to explain. She let us know that we have multiple sinus cavities within our skull filled with air and lined with mucus membranes. Sinusitis indicates that there is inflammation in those membranes. It might be caused by an allergic reaction or an infection. This may interfere with the ability to smell (and consequently, to taste). It might also lead to congestion, drainage or post-nasal drip. People feel crummy. They may have brain fog or low stamina. The cardinal symptom of sinusitis is a feeling of facial pressure. The suffering from chronic sinusitis is just as severe as that from heart failure or diabetes. Sinuses Have Their Own Microbiome: Just like most other parts of the human body, the sinuses are inhabited. Healthy sinuses have a microbiome of bacteria, viruses, fungi and archaea that stays in balance, more or less, and doesn’t cause trouble. When that microbiome gets thrown out of whack for one reason or another, the result can be an infection. To determine that, doctors occasionally culture the drainage. That’s not very accurate, however. A PCR test works better to find out what is in there that could be problematic. Infections are not the only cause of sinusitis, however. The mucus linings may be reacting to environmental irritants or pollutants. Small particulates such as those in automobile exhaust or wildfire smoke (PM2.5) can lead to a lot of inflammation. People who develop polyps in their sinuses may be especially vulnerable to some of these triggers. Irrigation to Stop Suffering with Sinusitis: One way of managing sinus problems is irrigation with clean water. (That would mean distilled water or water that has been sterilized by boiling before cooling to room temperature.) A neti pot is a very old-fashioned way of doing this, based on Ayurvedic medical tradition. That provides a low-pressure, high-volume irrigation in which water is poured into one nostril and exits the other, washing the sinuses along the way. For her patients with chronic sinusitis, Dr. Patel recommends irrigation with a squeeze bottle. (NeilMed would be one example.) This offers high-pressure, high-volume irrigation that can be very helpful in calming inflamed sinuses. She urges people to stay away from motorized devices. They may seem tempting, but it is far too difficult to clean them thoroughly. Other Medications That Can Help You Stop Suffering with Sinusitis: Dr. Patel may prescribe or recommend other medicines for her patients with sinusitis. Topical steroids such as fluticasone can be useful. Antibiotics are useful when there is an acute infection. In other cases, a medication like ipratropium could be called for. She warns, however, that some nasal sprays are bad for people with sinusitis. Decongestants could make a chronic condition worse, even though the immediate effect feels like relief. There are cases when sinus surgery is appropriate to help a patient who has been suffering with sinusitis. This should generally be a last resort, though. The surgeon should take into account how patients responded to medical treatment before surgery and will want to visualize the sinus with nasal endoscopy or a CT scan. The patient needs to understand that post-surgical care with rinses and sprays will be crucial for at least six months. This Week’s Guest: Zara Patel, MD, is Director of Endoscopic Skull Base Surgery, Director of the Stanford Initiative to Cure Smell and Taste Loss, and Director of the Neurorhinology – Advanced Sinus and Skull Base Surgery Fellowship. She is Professor of Otolaryngology in the Dept. of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery at the Stanford School of Medicine. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38548220

Show 1447: Falls, Fractures and Fatalities: Surprising Risks in Your Medicine Cabinet 10/04/2025

Show 1447: Falls, Fractures and Fatalities: Surprising Risks in Your Medicine Cabinet This week, we start the show with an interview with epidemiologist Thomas Farley, MD, MPH. His essay in ) describes why older Americans are dying of falls at an alarming rate. Once you have a chance to hear why this problem is worse in the US than in comparable countries, we will welcome your calls and stories. Prescriptions for medicines that make people drowsy or unsteady play a major role. Are you taking any? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. The Epidemic of Deaths from Falls: Dr. Thomas Farley wrote in that falls kill more Americans over 65 than breast or prostate cancer. If you add up deaths due to car crashes, overdoses and other unintentional injuries in older people, the total is still below the number of deaths from falls. That toll was more than 41,000 in 2023. It has tripled over the past three decades. Why are elderly Americans (particularly those 85 and older) so much more vulnerable to dying because of a fall? Perhaps older people everywhere suffer the same fate. Dr. Farley considered that as a possible explanation. But in other high-income countries that might serve for comparison, the rate of deaths from falls has actually dropped over the past 30 years. One difference that might help us understand what is going on is the rate of prescriptions. After all, older people have always contended with vision problems, physical frailty, cognitive impairment or clutter that is a trip hazard. Those things probably haven’t changed much since the year 2000. Today, though, older people are taking more medications. Older Americans take far more than those living elsewhere. Which Drugs Increase the Risk of Falls? Not all drugs increase the risk for falls. From 2017 to 2020, Dr. Farley points out, 90% of seniors were taking prescription meds, and 45% were taking drugs considered “potentially inappropriate.” Many of those could be termed Fall-Risk Increasing Drugs, or FRIDs. Are you taking any? Any medicine that interferes with balance or causes drowsiness is probably a FRID. Dr. Farley points to four categories in particular: opioids to treat pain, benzodiazepines for anxiety, antidepressants and gabapentinoids used off label to treat pain. (These are gabapentin, aka Neurontin, and pregabalin, known by the brand name Lyrica.) Other medicines, such as beta-blockers for heart conditions or anticholinergic drugs like diphenhydramine, can also cause problems. The overwhelming majority of older folks injured during a fall were taking one or more FRID at the time. Some of the medicines we are discussing are also covered by the for potentially inappropriate medication use in older adults. Any prescriber caring for people over 65 should be able to check whether the drug they are contemplating is on the Beers list. They may also want to consider whether there might be a less risky alternative. If you are accompanying an older relative, you could ask about that. Occasionally older patients are reticent about asking questions for fear of offending the prescriber. Beyond the Usual Suspects: It is hardly surprising that opioids would be related to a risk of falls. There are, however, other medicines that might be a problem in some circumstances. Blood pressure pills may cause dizziness, especially when a person first stands up. Certainly high blood pressure needs to be treated, but perhaps patients should consider trade-offs in terms of how aggressively to pursue perfect blood pressure numbers. Another medication that has been associated with falls, surprisingly, is the combination of atorvastatin to lower cholesterol and insulin for diabetes (). We Answer Your Questions About FRIDs: Listen to Dr. Farley describe the problem. Then we answer listeners' calls. Have you taken a medicine that makes you drowsy or unsteady? Have you or an older relative taken a tumble you suspect was related to a medication? We want to hear about it. We spoke earlier with Dr. Farley. After we listen to his interview, Joe and Terry will try to answer your questions about medicines that might increase the risk for falls. Are there alternatives? What can you do? This Week’s Guest: Thomas A. Farley, MD, MPH, has been a public health educator, researcher, and practitioner for more than three decades. Dr. Farley is a Professor of community health at Tulane University and has held positions in health agencies at the federal, state, and big city level. He is the author of , and . Dr. Farley writes a newsletter on Substack called . /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38464860

Show 1446: The Science of Strong Bones: Lifestyle, Medication and Movement 09/27/2025

Show 1446: The Science of Strong Bones: Lifestyle, Medication and Movement Are you concerned about your bone health? Do you worry about osteoporosis? According to the CDC, more than 10 million Americans have low bone density that makes them more vulnerable to fractures. For many older people, a fracture can be devastating, reducing mobility and possibly even leading to death. What evidence can help you maintain strong bones? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen: You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream on Saturday, Sept. 27, 2025, at 7 am EDT on your computer or smart phone (). so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on Sept. 29, 2025. Strong Bones: You may have seen Halloween skeletons or even chewed the meat off a bone that you then dropped on a plate with a clatter. No wonder we usually think of bones as hard, unchanging objects. Dead bones are. But living bones are quite different. Strong bones are constantly undergoing change. Scientists call it remodeling. One set of specialized cells, osteoclasts, breaks bone tissue down and recycles it. Another set, the osteoblasts, builds bone back. Ideally, their activities are in balance. But if the osteoclasts start to get ahead, as they tend to do while we age, that can weaken bone. The result is low bone mass, known as osteopenia, or even serious bone loss called osteoporosis. This puts a person at risk for fractures. Who Gets Osteoporosis? Osteoporosis may have been less common a hundred years ago or more, when many people had to do manual labor that put stress on their bones. That helps for strong bones, so today’s sedentary lifestyles can undermine bone health. Although we think of osteoporosis as typically affecting postmenopausal women, men can lose bone mass too. Medications may contribute to the risk for bone loss. Steroids such as prednisone or methylprednisolone are especially risky if taken for a long period of time. Androgen deprivation therapy for prostate cancer is a risk factor specifically for men. Diagnosing Osteoporosis: Doctors assess bone mineral density with imaging called dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry, or DEXA for short. Then they compare the results on the scan to the results they would expect from a 30-year-old person. Results more than 2.5 standard deviations from that could result in a diagnosis of osteoporosis. A person who experiences a fracture without trauma, such as falling from standing height, is also suspected and often diagnosed with osteoporosis. Non-Drug Approaches to Strong Bones: People who want to keep strong bones need to focus on exercise. High intensity exercise can be helpful, but brisk walking may be enough. Tai chi and yoga are also popular. If you have been diagnosed with osteoporosis, be sure to check in with your doctor before you start a new exercise program. Building balance and core strength without increasing your risk of a fall (and thus a fracture) would be ideal. Our guest expert, Dr. Kendall Moseley, says the jury is still out on technology such as vibrating platforms, weighted vests or vibrating belts. More studies should show how valuable these could be. Following a diet that supplies adequate protein, vitamin D and calcium is also crucial. If you must take a calcium supplement, calcium citrate may be well tolerated and absorbed. How Do Doctors Treat Osteoporosis? Physicians prescribe several different types of medications to help curb bone less and perhaps even build it back. Some of the oldest and least expensive are the bisphosphonates such as alendronate (Fosamax). These slow bone break down and give the osteoblasts a chance to catch up. They can be hard on the digestive tract, though, and they have been associated with a few rare but alarming side effects: jawbone deterioration and atypical thigh bone fracture. Most people seem to do well on them. Doctors generally prescribe them for up to five years. Did You Forget Evista? Another type of osteoporosis medicine is called raloxifene (Evista). It is appropriate only for women, because it is an estrogen modulator. It acts like estrogen in the bones and reduces bone loss. In the breast and uterus, it opposes estrogen activity. Raloxifene does double duty in reducing the risk of breast cancer as well as osteoporosis. Like all drugs, though, it has some worrisome side effects. It can increase the risk of blood clots that cause deep vein thromboses and strokes. What About Prolia? Denosumab (Prolia) is a monoclonal antibody that also interferes with osteoclasts. That is how it improves bone density. One thing to keep in mind about Prolia is that stopping it requires careful planning and backup medication. Otherwise, a patient can lose all the bone that was built rather quickly and may suffer debilitating fracture. This Week’s Guest: Kendall Moseley, MD, is Associate Professor of Clinical Medicine in the Division of Diabetes, Endocrinology, and Metabolism at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. She is also Clinical Director of the Division of Diabetes, Endocrinology, and Metabolism at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In addition, Dr. Moseley is Medical Director of the Johns Hopkins Metabolic Bone & Osteoporosis Center. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38376515

Show 1445: Your Brain on Pain: Why Chronic Pain Changes Everything 09/20/2025

Show 1445: Your Brain on Pain: Why Chronic Pain Changes Everything The statistics are shocking. At any given time, nearly one fourth of American adults are experiencing low back pain. Even worse, roughly one-third of the population will have to deal with chronic pain at some point in their lives. How does the brain react to pain? What can people with chronic pain do to alleviate their suffering? Our guest is a nationally recognized pain expert with a number of suggestions. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. Chronic Pain: We are all familiar with the instantaneous pain of having your hand contact a hot pan. In that case, pain serves its most important function, warning us not to do that again! Many people have known the pain of a sprained ankle or a twisted knee. In most cases, we recover from such mishaps in time, and the pain becomes a memory. But sometimes, the brain circuits get stuck, so to speak, and we end up with ongoing chronic pain. That can last and cause suffering well after the original stimulus has disappeared. There is no evidence that suffering is good for the soul. The Experience of Pain Is Personal: It is critical to remember that pain is subjective. The nerves may carry a sensation of “heat” from that hot pan or “pressure” if you slam your thumb in the door. It isn’t pain until the brain interprets it. And brain interpretations can and do vary from one person to the next. Past experience and levels of social support as well as expectations of relief influence the ways that people feel pain in response to injury. Personalizing Treatment of Chronic Pain: If the experience of pain, especially chronic pain, is highly individual, shouldn’t treatments be individualized as well? Every pain patient deserves an individualized assessment, with particular attention to red flags that might be warning of an imminent medical emergency. Ruling that out must not invalidate the patient’s experience. Then the patient and provider can proceed to work on a multi-modal approach to pain control. How Will the New FDA Opioid Guidelines Affect Patient Care? The FDA recently (narcotic) pain relievers. The agency will require much clearer warnings about the risks of such medications, especially when used for longer periods of time. Prescribers will be reminded to use the lowest effective dose for the shortest time needed. They will also be reminded that these drugs should never be stopped suddenly, because that could trigger withdrawal symptoms. Should people be avoiding opioids? Dr. Mackey thinks the new guidelines are in line with precautions that responsible prescribers are already observing. What Non-Drug Approaches Can Help Chronic Pain? We asked Dr. Mackey when non-pharmacologic approaches are appropriate, and he responded that they are always appropriate, sometimes in conjunction with rather than instead of medication. There are at least six categories of tools for pain, including medical interventions (surgery, for example), mind-body approaches such as mindfulness-based stress reduction (MBSR), physical therapy, nutraceuticals, complementary and alternative therapies (such as acupuncture) and medications. Each of these categories might have only a small effect by itself but taken together they can provide substantial relief. What About Drugs? There are probably a couple of hundred drugs that could be helpful, only a handful of which are opioids. So even for people who don’t tolerate opioids, there are plenty of tools to help alleviate pain. Dr. Mackey does prescribe opioids, but he also prescribes medicines such as topiramate, duloxetine, ketamine and low-dose naltrexone, among other medications. Keeping in mind that everyone is different, these will be used in a variety of methods and combinations, depending on patient response. How Can Patients Find a Pain Doctor? In some parts of the country, especially rural areas, it may be difficult to find a healthcare provider skilled at treating chronic pain. Dr. Mackey suggests utilizing the resources of the . Another resource, possibly more for providers than patients is . This Week’s Guest: Sean Mackey, MD, PhD, is a pain management specialist and anesthesiologist. He holds the titles of Redlich Professor and Professor of Anesthesiology, Perioperative, and Pain Medicine (Adult Pain) and, by courtesy, of Neurology and Neurological Sciences, all at the Stanford University Medical School. Dr. Mackey is Chief of Stanford’s Division of Pain Medicine and a past President of the American Academy of Pain Medicine. His website is Sean Mackey, MD, PhD, Stanford University Division of Pain Medicine /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38290290

Show 1444: The Food Fight Over Fat: Keto and Carnivore Diets 09/13/2025

Show 1444: The Food Fight Over Fat: Keto and Carnivore Diets For the last several decades, nutrition scientists have been debating the pros and cons of various dietary approaches. The Mediterranean diet has a lot of proponents, and we have interviewed some of them on The People’s Pharmacy. Dr. Barry Popkin and Dr. Walter Willett endorse olive oil, whole grains, fruits and vegetables with only small amounts of animal-sourced food. Listen to for more information. Dr. Will Bulsiewicz is a fiber evangelist. You can hear him on . Plant-based diets can fall along a spectrum from mostly plants with some meat, fish and eggs to completely vegan. In contrast, there are experts who recommend a low-carb, high-fat ketogenic diet. Carnivore diets consisting of only animal products (meat, poultry, fish) are a subcategory of keto diets. That is the focus of this episode. Carnivore Controversy: We know that people have strong feelings about food. The DIETFITS study, one of the best randomized controlled trials comparing healthy low-carb to healthy low-fat diets found that both led to weight loss. Learn more by listening to our interview with lead investigator Dr. Christopher Gardner on We have heard from fans of ultra-low-fat diets like those promoted by Pritikin or Dean Ornish, MD. We acknowledge that hearing about a carnivore diet may put their teeth on edge, at the very least. But information from knowledgeable sources about controversial topics is what we aim for, and this is indisputably controversial. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care, treatment, or diet. Ketogenic and Carnivore Diets: Doctors have long prescribed ketogenic diets to treat children with hard-to-treat epilepsy (). Studies suggest that people with migraines or depression might benefit from a ketogenic diet (; ). Most people now following carnivore diets, which are more extreme than ketogenic diets, began following this eating plan to lose weight and have more energy. Our co-host for this show, AAAS Mass Media Fellow Bianca Garcia, has done some investigation of this approach to nutrition, including a personal trial. She joined us in interviewing Dr. Eric Westman, an advocate for ketogenic and carnivore diets to help people with obesity and diabetes. What is a ketogenic diet? It minimizes the carbohydrate available as fuel by including only low-starch vegetables such as greens. High-fat food sources make up the bulk of the energy in the diet. This forces the body to burn ketones derived from body fat instead of glucose derived from sugar or starch. In a carnivore diet, the vegetables disappear completely and the high-fat food sources are all derived from animals. How Do Dietary Guidelines Mesh with Carnivore Diets? We asked Dr. Westman about changing dietary guidelines, and he pointed out that most of the national dietary guidelines have limited scientific support. Of course, randomized controlled trials of people following carnivore diets are also few and far between. A survey of more than 2,000 self-selected volunteers following the diet was published in 2021 (). The DIETFITS trial, which compared a healthy low-fat, high-carb regimen to one high in fat and low in carbs found no significant difference in weight loss over the course of a year ). What Are the Effects of a High-Fat Diet? In the clinical trials he conducted, Dr. Westman found that blood insulin levels were lower as people followed a ketogenic diet (). The body does not require insulin to utilize ketones for fuel. As a result, people with type 2 diabetes have better control of their blood glucose when following a low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet (). He and his colleagues have published a case series suggesting that a ketogenic diet could help people with food addiction (). There are also hints that people with other psychiatric conditions might benefit from a ketogenic diet as well (). What Is Driving the Interest in Carnivore Diets? Bianca Garcia and Dr. Eric Westman agree that the internet has a huge influence on people’s interest in carnivore diets. Podcasters like Joe Rogan and multiple influencers have promoted this approach, especially to younger people. This can contribute to social pressure to try it. Dr. Westman warns listeners that adopting a ketogenic or carnivore diet should be undertaken under knowledgeable guidance. A drastic dietary change can alter how medications work, so people with chronic illness really need to work closely with health care professionals. That may require searching for someone who is open to this approach with the expertise to recommend when supplements or salt might be needed and provide information on doses. This Week’s Guest: Eric Westman MD, MHS, is an Associate Professor of Medicine at Duke University. He is Board Certified in Obesity Medicine and Internal Medicine and founded the Duke Keto Medicine Clinic in 2006 after conducting clinical research regarding low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets. Dr. Westman is a past President and Master Fellow of the Obesity Medicine Association and Fellow of the Obesity Society. He is a board member of the Society of Metabolic Health Practitioners and the American Diabetes Society. In addition, he has written and edited numerous bestselling books and is a co-founder of (), which provides science-backed education on a range of subjects rooted in the therapeutic effects of dietary carbohydrate restriction… including his newest course, , which is open now for enrollment for a limited time. Eric Westman, MD, Duke University Our Co-Host: Bianca Garcia is a Filipina-American anthropologist, foodie, and radio person. She holds a master’s degree in Media, Medicine, and Health from Harvard Medical School, where she created an audio documentary on the carnivore diet. She was a AAAS Mass Media Fellow covering health and science at WUNC, North Carolina Public Radio when we conducted the interview; her favorite stories to cover always involve what people eat, and why. Bianca Garcia, photo copyright Christina Thompson Lively Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program will be available Monday, Sept. 15, 2025, after broadcast on Sept. 13. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free, or you can find it on your favorite platform. In the podcast for this episode, you’ll hear the real patient story of a doctor who weighed 350 pounds and suffered from POTS (postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome). Do we have any idea of how a carnivore diet affects the gut microbiome? Dr. Westman describes his study on how a low-carb diet helps GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease). Years ago, Joe looked for evidence on the traditional heartburn diet limiting fat, alcohol, coffee and tomatoes and couldn’t find any. What we have found is that science changes as researchers pursue further studies and that is not a reason to mistrust science even though the changing recommendations may be frustrating. Dr. Westman offers a message to everyone trying to make the right dietary choices but feeling overwhelmed by many different messages about food. 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DOI: 10.1093/cdn/nzab133 Gardner CD et al, "Effect of Low-Fat vs Low-Carbohydrate Diet on 12-Month Weight Loss in Overweight Adults and the Association With Genotype Pattern or Insulin Secretion: The DIETFITS Randomized Clinical Trial." JAMA, Feb. 20, 2018. DOI: 10.1001/jama.2018.0245 Westman EC et al, "Implementing a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet to manage type 2 diabetes mellitus." Expert Review of Endocrinology & Metabolism, Sep. 2018. DOI: 10.1080/17446651.2018.1523713 Westman EC et al, "The effect of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet versus a low-glycemic index diet on glycemic control in type 2 diabetes mellitus." Nutrition & Metabolism, Dec. 19, 2008. DOI: 10.1186/1743-7075-5-36 Carmen M et al, "Treating binge eating and food addiction symptoms with low-carbohydrate Ketogenic diets: a case series." Journal of Eating Disorders, Jan. 29, 2020. DOI: 10.1186/s40337-020-0278-7 Sethi S et al, "Ketogenic Diet Intervention on Metabolic and Psychiatric Health in Bipolar and Schizophrenia: A Pilot Trial." Psychiatry Research, May 2024. DOI: 10.1016/j.psychres.2024.115866 /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38207000

Show 1443: Rethinking Medications: Uncovering the Truth About Common Drugs 09/06/2025

Show 1443: Rethinking Medications: Uncovering the Truth About Common Drugs Americans take a lot of medications. Luckily, the Food and Drug Administration only approves those that are safe and effective. However, the agency’s definition of “safe” includes medicines that can harm or kill some people, and the definition of “effective” covers some drugs that only work a little better than placebo. Has the FDA changed its standards? Maybe we should be rethinking medications. Rethinking Medications: If you watch television or streaming video, you probably see a lot of commercials for prescription pharmaceuticals. Decades ago, prescription drugs weren’t advertised on television, and the prices for prescriptions were much lower. How has the pharmaceutical industry changed? On this episode, we talk with an expert observer of the industry and its regulation. Dr. Jerry Avorn is one of the country’s most respected pharmacoepidemiologists. He describes how the business of making and selling medicines has evolved. What Is the Role of Orphan Drugs? The Orphan Drug Act was passed in 1983. Its goal was to offer to develop medicines for rare diseases. The FDA encouraged Congress in this, viewing these as “significant drugs of limited commercial value.” The idea was to make sure that even though only a few hundred Americans might have leprosy, for example, that drugs would still be developed to treat their condition. Tax breaks, patent extensions and market exclusivity made the proposition more appealing. In fact, one of the reasons Americans spend twice as much on drugs per capita as citizens of Canada, Australia or other countries is the cost of orphan drugs. Although these compounds were seen as having “limited commercial value,” the industry has figured out how to charge exceedingly high prices for anything considered an orphan drug. How Effective Is Your Medicine? When it comes to evaluating effectiveness, pharmaceutical firms have a powerful tool. Dr. Avorn considers it one of the best inventions of all time, although it is a concept rather than a thing. RCT stands for Randomized Controlled Trial, which in turn is shorthand for randomized placebo-controlled double-blind (or in the UK, double-dummy) clinical study. The idea is to take a group of people who are alike in some important ways, so that they are equally likely to develop some type of health problem. Divide them up using a random number generator or some other similar impersonal technique. Those on one side of the divide get the medicine, while those on the other side get an indistinguishable placebo. Neither the participants nor the investigators know who is in which group. At some pre-specified time, the researchers will check to make sure there have not been too many adverse reactions. They may also check that the intervention appears to be doing something. When the trial is over, the methods and results should be described in a publication so that doctors will know if they should incorporate the treatment into their practice. We love RCTs when the outcome is avoiding some serious problem such as a stroke or a cancer diagnosis. For us, biomarkers are less compelling, even though they have become far more common. What is a biomarker? It is easy to measure, like blood sugar or blood pressure. The biomarker is a stand-in or surrogate for a condition like diabetes or heart disease because they are often correlated. It is important to remember, though, that the biomarker is not the disease. Comparing Absolute and Relative Risk While Rethinking Medications: Once the company has completed its RCT, more than likely it will want to publicize the results to promote the drug. How it describes effectiveness can change the way people think about the medicine. One of our favorite examples comes from a print advertisement for Lipitor. It boasted that Lipitor (atorvastatin) lowered the risk of a heart attack (myocardial infarction) by 36 percent. That sounds great, doesn’t it? There was an asterisk next to that number, and in small print lower on the page was an explanation. During a five-year trial, out of 100 people on Lipitor, two had heart attacks. Out of 100 people on placebo for that trial, three had heart attacks. So you can see the absolute difference between Lipitor and placebo was just one heart attack per hundred (the absolute risk reduction). That probably would not have sold many pills. But stated as a relative risk reduction of 1 fewer heart attack compared to the baseline of 3 (1/3), using larger numbers because there were thousands of people in the study, you get 36 percent. What Do We Know About Safety? When patients see multiple health care providers who don’t talk with each other often, it may be difficult to detect serious safety problems. That was the case with the anti-inflammatory drug Vioxx. Early warning signs of cardiovascular problems resulting from this pain-reliever were overlooked for years. Researchers detected trouble as early as 2001, but the drug company resisted removing the drug until 2004. As a result, millions of people were needlessly exposed to danger and too many died. The silver lining to this cloud is stepped-up surveillance for side effects. Rethinking Medications with Respect to Side Effects: Some years ago, Dr. Avorn and his colleagues conducted a brilliant study (. They compared the side effect profiles from RCTs of different antidepressants. Mind you, they were not looking at the side effects of the drugs. They examined the side effects of the placebos in studies of tricyclic antidepressants and compared them to side effects of placebos in studies of SSRI antidepressants. All the participants had depression, so there should have been no differences due to the underlying condition. Yet the placebos had vastly different side effect profiles, mirroring the divergent side effects of the active agents. This striking difference might be due to changes in the way researchers elicited symptoms. Or it might be due to the nocebo effect, in which a person who expects to feel nauseated becomes queasy. Nocebo is like an inverse of the placebo effect. Either way, it suggests that when side effects of the placebo are similar to those of the investigational drug, we shouldn’t assume that the drug has no side effects. How Can You Protect Yourself? In rethinking medications, it is important to make sure that you really need all the drugs you are taking. Dr. Avorn strongly recommends a brown bag review periodically, in which the patient brings in everything he or she is taking, including OTC meds and dietary supplements. The health care provider reviews them, looking for duplication or incompatibilities. If they find problems, it’s time for a conversation about alternatives or deprescribing. Some medicines cannot be stopped suddenly, so the prescriber should provide detailed instructions about tapering and should monitor progress as the patient reduces the dose. This Week’s Guest: Jerry Avorn, MD, is a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and a senior internist in the Mass General Brigham health-care system. He built a leading research center at Harvard to study medication use, outcomes, costs, and policies and developed the educational outreach approach known as “academic detailing,” providing evidence-based information about medications to prescribers. One of the nation’s most highly cited researchers, Dr. Avorn is the author of Powerful Medicines: The Benefits, Risks, and Costs of Prescription Drugs, and he has written or cowritten over six hundred papers in the medical literature as well as opinion pieces in TheNew York Times, The Washington Post, JAMA, and The New England Journal of Medicine. Dr. Avorn’s new book is . His website is /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38112075

Show 1397: The Surprising Secrets of Sunlight’s Health Benefits (Archive) 08/30/2025

Show 1397: The Surprising Secrets of Sunlight’s Health Benefits (Archive) In this episode, our guest is a dermatologist who wants us to consider sunlight’s health benefits. That is a minority opinion among dermatologists. Dr. Richard Weller tells us why vitamin D is overrated and not the most important aspect of sun exposure. The Secrets of Sunlight’s Health Benefits: Dermatologists generally advise us to stay out of the sun as much as possible. After all, excessive sun exposure causes skin aging and skin cancer, conditions for which people frequently consult them. However, even if we could all live inside, wear protective clothing and high SPF sunscreen whenever we ventured out, would that be wise? According to our guest, Dr. Richard Weller, and his colleagues, “insufficient sun exposure has become a real public health problem” (). While this problem is more acute in Europe than the US, they still estimate that more than 300,000 Americans die each year due to inadequate sun on their skin. What is going on? How Does Sunlight Affect Skin? For decades, we have heard that the principal effect of sunlight on skin is the production of vitamin D. Therefore, the dermatologists have concluded, rather than take the risk of exposing skin to sunshine, why not just swallow vitamin D supplements? The problem with that proposal is that it hasn’t worked very well. Many studies show that people with low levels of circulating vitamin D are more vulnerable to high blood pressure, , heart disease, diabetes and , among other problems. However, people who take always get the expected benefits. Perhaps vitamin D is a marker for sun exposure rather than the most important outcome. Human Evolution and Skin Color: Humans evolved in Africa, where dark skin is an advantage, offering protection from the most harmful effects of ultraviolet radiation. By about 60,000 years ago, people were migrating to other parts of the world. Yet analyses suggest that although they arrived in Europe by about 40,000 years ago, genes for pale skin didn’t become common until less than 10,000 years ago. Anthropologists have hypothesized that pale skin is an adaptation to inadequate sunlight in northern regions. Because vitamin D is a well-recognized consequence of sunlight on skin, they have assumed that was the driver. Dr. Weller suggests that nitric oxide was (and still is) more important. He notes that the evolution of pale skin happens around the same time that people begin to cluster together in farming communities, where they are more likely to be exposed to infectious diseases. Is Nitric Oxide the Source of Sunlight’s Health Benefits? In 1996, Dr. Weller was the first scientist to find that human skin creates a compound called nitric oxide (NO) under sunlight. This compound is then absorbed into the skin, where it helps relax blood vessels and lower blood pressure. Here is a on the topic. This is where Dr. Weller’s approach differs from that of more conventional dermatologists. With proper caveats that the US is at much lower latitudes, in general, than most of Europe, he proposes that more sunlight, not less, could lower mortality rates. (Lower latitudes get more sunshine.) His analysis was just published in the prestigious ). The data underpinning this claim are from an analysis of the UK Biobank, a remarkable treasure trove of information. Dr. Weller and his colleagues have found that in the UK, people who get more sunlight are less likely to die within a specified time frame. We call that lower all-cause mortality. You can read the research report here (). It was discussed in this article in ). This Week’s Guest: Richard Weller, MD, FRCP(Ed), is Professor of Medical Dermatology at the University of Edinburgh. He holds the Personal Chair of Medical Dermatology in the He is also Honorary Consultant Dermatologist at NHS Lothian and h. Dr. Weller serves as Programme Director for the M Med Sci at the University of Edinburgh and is President of the Scottish Dermatology Society. He is the Clinical Lead for the Dermatology Speciality Group at NHS Research Scotland, the and . Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program will be available Monday, Sept. 1, 2025, after broadcast on Aug. 30. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. Learn More: Dr. Weller kindly shared links to some research by his colleagues that he mentioned during the show. Here is an showing the benefits of home phototherapy for psoriasis. presents evidence that dark skin is not susceptible to UV-induced melanoma. , or listen to the podcast on or . Citations Alfredsson L et al, "Insufficient Sun Exposure Has Become a Real Public Health Problem." International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health, July 13, 2020. DOI: 10.3390/ijerph17145014 Weller RB, "Sunlight–Time for a Rethink?" Journal of Investigative Dermatology, August 2024. DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jid.2023.12.027 Stevenson AC et al, "Higher ultraviolet light exposure is associated with lower mortality: An analysis of data from the UK biobank cohort study." Health & Place, Sept. 2024. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.healthplace.2024.103328 "Exposure to the sun’s UV radiation may be good for you." The Economist, Aug. 12, 2024. /episode/index/show/peoplespharmacy/id/38029560

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