Storytelling as an Industrial Skill with Jon Billett
Presales Podcast by Presales Collective
Release Date: 01/19/2026
Storytelling as an Industrial Skill with Jon Billett
Presales Podcast by Presales Collective
In this episode, Jack Cochran is joined by Jon Billett, Founder and CEO of StoryQuadrant, to discuss why storytelling in presales needs to be treated as an industrial skill rather than a soft skill. They explore Jon's framework for the four types of stories every SE should master, the danger of "Mad Libs" style customer stories, and why the most important story is the one told after you leave the room. Jon shares insights from his 15 years in presales and his unique background as a member of the Magic Circle, revealing how structure, rather than content, creates memorable presentations that...
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info_outlineIn this episode, Jack Cochran is joined by Jon Billett, Founder and CEO of StoryQuadrant, to discuss why storytelling in presales needs to be treated as an industrial skill rather than a soft skill. They explore Jon's framework for the four types of stories every SE should master, the danger of "Mad Libs" style customer stories, and why the most important story is the one told after you leave the room. Jon shares insights from his 15 years in presales and his unique background as a member of the Magic Circle, revealing how structure, rather than content, creates memorable presentations that drive deals forward.
Follow Us
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Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/
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Connect with Jon Billett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jbillett/
Links and Resources Mentioned
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Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack
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StoryQuadrant: https://storyquadrant.com/
Key Topics Covered
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Why Storytelling is an Industrial Skill, Not a Soft Skill
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The Story Quadrant Framework: Four Essential Story Types
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The Mad Libs Problem in Presales
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Discovery as Stepping Into Your Prospect's Story
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The Power of Contrast in Creating Memory
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What Makes Stories Retellable
Timestamps
00:00 Welcome
03:16 Jon's Journey to Storytelling
06:31 Storytelling as an Industrial Skill
09:23 Overcoming the Belief: "I'm Not a Good Storyteller"
12:24 The Success Story Trap
15:59 The Mad Libs Formula Problem
18:13 Discovery Stories: Stepping Into Their World
21:20 Maximizing Your 5% of Face Time
23:10 Your Story: The Four-Minute Trust Window
26:51 Positioning Stories: Nobody Cares About Your Offices
27:40 The Story They Tell
30:30 One Technique to Implement Tomorrow: The Power of Contrast