Episode #610 - The difference between “brand” and “branding” and why it matters - with Giles Etherington

What actually makes customers choose your business over a cheaper competitor?

For many SMEs, the answer is unclear because their messaging sounds exactly the same as everyone else in the market. In this episode of ScaleUp Radio, Kevin Brent is joined by brand strategist Giles Etherington to unpack why so many businesses fall into the trap of competing on rational features and services instead of emotional connection and customer transformation.

Drawing on experience from global agencies including JWT, Giles shares a practical framework for building a brand strategy that helps scaleup businesses stand out, increase trust, and avoid the race to the bottom on price.

This conversation is packed with actionable advice for founders and leadership teams who want their brand to become a strategic growth asset rather than simply a logo or visual identity.

In this episode:

• Why competing on services alone pushes SMEs into price wars
• The difference between “brand” and “branding” and why it matters
• How emotional positioning influences customer buying decisions
• The role trust plays in high consideration purchases
• Why most values workshops fail to create a meaningful brand
• The step by step process Giles uses to uncover a company’s Brand DNA
• How customer interviews reveal emotional drivers founders often miss
• Why AI currently creates “average” brands rather than distinctive ones
• How expert-led positioning creates clearer messaging and stronger differentiation
• The importance of understanding customer transformation, not just customer problems

Key Takeaways

Brand is emotional, not rational

Most SMEs describe themselves through services, products, or technical capability. The challenge is that competitors often say exactly the same thing. Giles explains why customers make decisions emotionally first and rationally second, and how founders can position their business around trust, transformation, and emotional outcomes.

Branding is not the same as brand

A logo, colour palette, and website are branding assets. A brand is the emotional perception customers hold about your business. Without strategic clarity first, visual branding alone rarely creates differentiation.

Customer insight should drive strategy

Instead of relying on internal assumptions, Giles advocates direct customer research and interviews to uncover the emotional concerns and aspirations driving buying behaviour.

AI supports expertise but does not replace strategy

AI can speed up execution and support ideation, but it lacks the nuance, emotional understanding, and strategic judgement needed to build distinctive positioning.

Giles Etherington’s Brand Strategy Framework

Giles shares the structured process he uses to help SMEs clarify and strengthen their market position:

1. Deep strategic questionnaire
2. Independent customer research and interviews
3. Collaborative workshop to challenge assumptions
4. Development of a Brand DNA Blueprint
5. Messaging aligned to customer emotion and transformation
6. Branding execution built on strategic foundations

One standout message from the episode

“Businesses that compete on rational services alone end up in a race to the bottom. The brands that scale are the ones customers emotionally connect with.”

The one key thing

The one key thing scaleup leaders should take away from this episode is this:

Customers rarely buy purely because of what you do. They buy because of how you make them feel, the confidence you create, and the transformation they believe you can deliver.

 

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Giles can be found here:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gilesetherington/

 

Resources:

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Simon Sinnick Ted Talk "Find Your Why”

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iFkCMeEhs0Y

 

 

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