Episode #616: From 100% Staff Turnover to Zero: Building a People Foundation That Scales - with Maritsa Inglessis
Release Date: 06/10/2026
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info_outlineIn this episode of ScaleUp Radio, Kevin Brent is joined by Maritsa, founder of The People Keeper, to explore one of the biggest challenges facing growing businesses: keeping great people.
Maritsa shares how her business evolved from offering a single employee retention service into a comprehensive framework that helps companies with between 2 and 50 employees build the people foundations needed for sustainable growth.
Together they discuss why staff turnover is rarely a recruitment problem, how founders can overcome the fear of delegation, and why strong people systems create the stability every growing business needs.
In this episode:
- Why The People Keeper completely restructured its service offering to better support growing SMEs
- The Three-Legged Stool Framework for building a stable people foundation
- The hidden costs of employee turnover and why prevention is significantly cheaper than replacement
- How outdated processes and founder dependency create retention problems
- The role of leadership development in successful delegation
- Practical ways founders can overcome the fear of letting go
- How effective onboarding accelerates performance and retention
- Why retention is an outcome of good systems rather than a standalone objective
The Three-Legged Stool Framework
Maritsa explains that every business needs three critical foundations in place:
1. Legal and Operational Basics
Contracts, policies, procedures and templates that provide clarity and consistency.
2. Day-to-Day Operations
Effective hiring, onboarding, management capability and communication systems.
3. Future-Facing Strategy
Aligning people plans with business objectives, whether that's growth, acquisition, succession or exit planning.
When all three legs are working together, businesses create the stability that naturally improves retention.
Case Study: Solving 100% Annual Staff Turnover
One recruitment agency approached Maritsa with a serious challenge. Despite employing only four people, the business was experiencing 100% annual staff turnover.
After investigating, three core issues emerged:
- Processes had not adapted to a fully remote working environment following Covid
- The founder was heavily involved in every decision, creating bottlenecks and dependency
- New hires were expected to learn through an overwhelming two-week virtual shadowing process
Rather than focusing solely on recruitment, Maritsa addressed the underlying systems.
A promising team member was developed into an Office Manager role, receiving training in leadership, performance management and conducting effective one-to-ones.
The onboarding process was redesigned with clear success measures and structured milestones.
The founder was supported in stepping back and delegating responsibility more effectively.
The result?
Staff turnover fell from 100% to 0% and has remained there for more than two years, saving the business an estimated £150,000 or more in replacement costs.
Founder Delegation: The Real Barrier
A key theme throughout the conversation is that delegation is rarely a capability issue. More often it is a psychological one.
Many founders worry:
- What if someone makes a mistake?
- What if standards drop?
- What if customers are affected?
Maritsa encourages founders to explore those fears openly.
By asking, "What's the worst that could happen?" founders can identify realistic risks and put mitigation plans in place.
The solution is not simply handing work over. It is about creating the conditions for success through training, authority, accountability and clarity.
One Key Takeaway
High turnover is usually a symptom, not the problem itself.
When founders build strong systems, develop capable managers and create clear expectations, retention improves naturally. Great people stay where they can succeed.
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Maritsa can be found here:
https://thepeoplekeeper.com/resources
https://www.linkedin.com/in/maritsai/
Resources:
PX Espresso with Luke O’Mahoney - https://open.spotify.com/show/1M3SBzxJpogaR5aG6JL0eN
Claude - https://claude.ai/