427: The Beauty of Seeing Beyond the Fish
Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity
Release Date: 08/11/2026
427: The Beauty of Seeing Beyond the Fish
Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity
Guest Nick Parish is a writer, angler, and educator in Portland, Oregon. He's the editorial voice behind Current Flow State, a publication and member community aimed at helping people make fly fishing a bigger part of their life. Summary Fly fishing instructor, writer, and educator Nick Parrish joins me for a conversation that quickly moves beyond techniques and equipment into the philosophy of fly fishing and what it can teach about living well. Drawing inspiration from the writings of John Gierach, Nick argues that fly fishing is less about catching fish than cultivating attentiveness,...
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Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity
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Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity
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Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity
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Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity
Hi, I’m Jeff Ikler, host of the Cultivating Curiosity podcast. This summer, I’m periodically releasing mini-episodes of “Cultivating Curiosity.” In about 10 minutes, I’ll dive deeper into a key point from a previously broadcast evergreen episode. The content in these mini-episodes is designed to be readily applicable to your life or work. This week’s mini-episode comes from a May 2023 interview with Dr. Alan Stern. Today, Dr. Stern is an aerospace executive and remains a planetary scientist. In 2015, he was the Principal Investigator on the historic New Horizons mission to Pluto....
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419: What is the Priority?
Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity
Hi, I’m Jeff Ikler, host of the Getting Unstuck - Cultivating Curiosity podcast. This summer, I’m periodically releasing mini-episodes that, in under 10 minutes, dive into an evergreen idea from a previously broadcast episode. The content in these mini episodes is designed to be readily applicable to your life or work. This week’s episode was inspired by a conversation with educator Dr. Deb Gustafson in December 2019, when she explained how, as a principal, she had applied Jim Collins’ flywheel principle from Good to Great in her elementary school. The idea The flywheel is an...
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418: How Can Leaders Create the Conditions for Staff to Succeed?
Getting Unstuck – Cultivating Curiosity
Guest Rich Gassen has worked at UW-Madison for over 15 years as Production Manager and, more recently, as Director at Digital Publishing and Printing Services. He focuses on empowerment, autonomy, and process improvements with his team. His work mantra has always been “Show Up and Participate,” which continues to guide him in his lifelong learning. He also leads a community of practice for supervisors at UW-Madison, focusing on training and development. Summary In this episode, Rich discusses his leadership journey and the principles that guide his work. Drawing on more than 35 years in...
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Nick Parish is a writer, angler, and educator in Portland, Oregon. He's the editorial voice behind Current Flow State, a publication and member community aimed at helping people make fly fishing a bigger part of their life.
Summary
Fly fishing instructor, writer, and educator Nick Parrish joins me for a conversation that quickly moves beyond techniques and equipment into the philosophy of fly fishing and what it can teach about living well. Drawing inspiration from the writings of John Gierach, Nick argues that fly fishing is less about catching fish than cultivating attentiveness, curiosity, creativity, and meaningful relationships—with rivers, wildlife, fellow anglers, and oneself.
Nick explains how his own teaching emphasizes observation before action, encouraging students to slow down, study the water, and immerse themselves in the environment rather than rushing to make the first cast. He advocates a minimalist approach to gear, believing that skill, versatility, and creative problem-solving matter far more than accumulating expensive equipment. Throughout the conversation, Nick and I reflect on several memorable John Gierach quotations, using them as springboards to discuss mindfulness, companionship, conservation, and the restorative power of time spent outdoors.
The discussion also explores the ethical tension inherent in catch-and-release fishing. Nick acknowledges the paradox of loving fish while pursuing them, arguing that responsible anglers must balance that tension through conservation, habitat restoration, and sound fisheries management. He describes experiments such as fishing without hooks and emphasizes that the future of fly fishing depends on protecting the ecosystems that sustain it.
Ultimately, Nick and I conclude that fly fishing is best understood as a creative, deeply attentive way of engaging with the natural world—one in which the journey, the place, and the experience matter far more than the number of fish caught.
A key takeaway
Fly fishing is a practice of attention. When we slow down, observe deeply, and engage creatively with the natural world, the fish become only one part of a much richer experience of connection, learning, and stewardship.
References / Links
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