PHOEBE SCOTT: Is Inspiration Enough to Write Great Songs?
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: PHOEBE SCOTT: Is Inspiration Enough to Write Great Songs? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with multi-talented artist, songwriter, top-liner, and coach Phoebe Scott to explore the craft, mindset, and spiritual foundation of songwriting. Phoebe shares her journey from small-town beginnings in West Tennessee to becoming a sought-after top-liner in Nashville, revealing how her early experiences, collaborative songwriting, and creative discipline shaped her career. Together, they...
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JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Growing
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Growing HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John shares a powerful and honest message about the importance of mentoring and coaching in the journey of becoming a great Christian songwriter and artist. Drawing from over four decades in the music industry, John reflects on his own apprenticeship under legendary mentors and how that experience shaped his career. He challenges common misconceptions around calling, talent, and success—reminding songwriters that passion alone...
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CLARK BECKHAM: Are You Settling For Average?
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: CLARK BECKHAM: Are You Settling For Average? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with returning guest, artist, and songwriter Clark Beckham for a powerful conversation on artistry, worship, and the pursuit of excellence in songwriting. From his journey as a finalist on American Idol to becoming an NCS Records artist, Clark shares how his passion for soul, jazz, and expressive musicianship has shaped his unique approach to worship music. The conversation explores the heart behind his Acoustic...
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JOHN CHISUM: Don't Be A Lazy Songwriter
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Don’t Be A Lazy Songwriter EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum dives into one of the most essential—and often overlooked—skills in songwriting: finding truly great ideas. Against the backdrop of today’s rapidly evolving AI landscape, John challenges songwriters to resist shortcuts and instead pursue authenticity, depth, and spiritual connection in their creative process. He explores the tension between “high tech” and “high touch,” emphasizing that while technology continues to...
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GINNY OWENS: Different Kind Of Water
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: GINNY OWENS: Different Kind Of Water HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with award-winning artist, songwriter, theologian, and worship leader Ginny Owens. From her early discovery by Michael W. Smith and her years in the CCM spotlight to seasons of burnout, spiritual wrestling, and renewed calling, Ginny shares a candid look at the highs and hardships of life in Christian music. Now serving at Redeemer Church in Manhattan and holding a Master of Divinity degree, Ginny reflects on...
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DANIEL DOSS: Revival and Songwriting
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: DANIEL DOSS: Revival and Songwriting HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with songwriter and artist Daniel Doss for an honest conversation about calling, perseverance, and the refining process of songwriting. Daniel shares his journey into music, the challenges of building a career while staying grounded in faith, and the lessons he has learned about consistency, character, and craft. Throughout the conversation, Daniel opens up about navigating setbacks, staying creative...
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SHAYLEE SIMEONE: Honest Jesus Music
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: SHAYLEE SIMEONE: Honest Jesus Music HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes singer, songwriter, and storyteller Shaylee Simeone for an honest and heartfelt conversation about identity, calling, and the long road of obedience in a creative life. Shaylee shares her journey from early musical influences and family harmony to stepping out on her own as an artist and songwriter. The conversation explores the tension between ambition and surrender, the process of refining your voice over...
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AMANDA JANSON: Sinner To Saint
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: AMANDA JANSON: Sinner To Saint HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this powerful episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with worship artist and songwriter Amanda Janson for an honest and deeply vulnerable conversation about faith, calling, trauma, and songwriting as testimony. Amanda shares her journey from a Broadway-bound upbringing and a complicated spiritual background to encountering Christ in adulthood and eventually stepping into a life of worship and songwriting. The conversation traces Amanda’s move to Nashville,...
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JOHN CHISUM: Can AI Write Christian Music?
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Can AI Write Christian Music? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum tackles one of the most pressing issues facing today’s music creators: artificial intelligence in songwriting. Fresh off multiple interviews at the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) convention, where AI was the dominant topic of conversation, John unpacks the realities, risks, and responsibilities surrounding AI-generated music. From deep fakes and copyright confusion to spiritual discernment and...
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JACKSON DREYER: Letting Life Shape The Song
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JACKSON DREYER: Letting Life Shape The Song HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with singer-songwriter Jackson Dreyer for an honest and wide-ranging conversation about creativity, discipline, and finding your voice as a songwriter. From growing up outside Chicago to planting roots in East Nashville, Jackson shares how movement, architecture, relationships, and everyday life experiences shape his songwriting process. The conversation explores how stepping away from constant noise...
info_outlineSong Revolution Podcast – Season 3
Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich
Episode Title: Music Publishing in 2025
Episode Summary:
Season 3 of Song Revolution continues with a practical and eye-opening conversation on one of the most misunderstood topics in the music industry: publishing. Hosts John Chisum, Claire Bacon, and Bryant Urich break down what publishing really means in 2025, how it has changed from the traditional gatekeeper model of the past, and why understanding it is essential for every songwriter.
From copyright protection to royalty collection, from self-publishing to partnering with a publisher, this episode offers clarity and encouragement to help you take control of your songs and your future. If you’ve ever wondered whether you need a publisher, how to register your songs, or how to build the right relationships in the industry, this discussion will give you practical steps forward.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- The difference between copyright and publishing
- How publishing has evolved from gatekeepers to digital access
- The two sides of publishing: administration vs. creative development
- Why many songwriters choose self-publishing today
- What publishers actually do for songwriters
- How to know if you’re ready for a publishing deal
- Why relationships matter more than cold submissions
- How to find community and connection no matter where you live
Key Topics and Highlights:
- John’s early Nashville days and the old gatekeeper model of publishing
- Claire’s experience developing writers and matching them in the right rooms
- Bryant’s perspective on band publishing and handling royalties as a group
- The importance of building your own foundation before seeking a publisher
- How marketing and publishing have become two separate tracks
- Practical steps every songwriter can take on their own: registering songs, networking, showcasing your work, and learning the basics of copyright
Memorable Quotes from the Episode:
“Copyright is about protection. Publishing is about getting your song out there.”
“A publisher’s job is to elevate what you’re already doing—not create it for you.”
“So much of making music today is DIY, and that’s a good thing.”
“Publishing isn’t just about royalties—it’s about relationships.”
Final Takeaway:
You don’t need a publisher to get started, but you do need to understand publishing. By learning the basics, building relationships, and developing your craft, you’ll be ready when the right opportunities come.
Resources & Links:
NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com
Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide
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Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training
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Explore NCS Community and membership options
https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community
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https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/