Song Revolution with John Chisum
Nashville Christian Songwriters exists to empower Christian songwriters worldwide. The Song Revolution with John Chisum is here to empower you through valuable songwriting insights, inspiration, and interviews with some of the greatest songwriters, producers, arrangers, artists, and creatives in the industry and beyond. Find out more at nashvillechristiansongwriters.com
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ED RODE: We Are All Storytellers
11/17/2025
ED RODE: We Are All Storytellers
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: ED RODE: We Are All Storytellers Guest: Ed Rode, Iconic Nashville Photographer and Author of “Songwriter: Musician Behind the Curtain with Nashville’s Iconic Storytellers and Players” Host: John Chisum Episode Summary In this visually rich and inspiring episode, host John Chisum sits down with celebrated photographer Ed Rode, whose lens has captured some of the most iconic figures in music—from Chet Atkins, Dolly Parton, and Willie Nelson to Taylor Swift and Vince Gill. Through his stunning photography and storytelling, Ed shares how a 35-year journey documenting Nashville’s creative legends turned into his new coffee table book, Songwriter: Musician. Together, John and Ed explore the intersection of photography, songwriting, and storytelling, revealing how every frame—and every lyric—has the power to invite people into a meaningful moment. Ed reflects on the mentorship of Chet Atkins, his experiences photographing legends like Willie Nelson and Dolly Parton, and the emotional encounters that defined his career, including a powerful moment with Glen Campbell near the end of his life. This episode is a celebration of creativity in all forms and a reminder that great art—whether a photograph or a song—comes from deep observation, patience, and heart. Key Topics & Highlights The Origins of Ed’s Career: How a chance encounter with Chet Atkins led to decades of photographing music legends. Storytelling Across Mediums: Why photography and songwriting share the same DNA—inviting others into a moment. The Art of Capturing Authenticity: How Ed disarms his subjects to reveal the truest version of themselves. Mentorship and Mastery: What Ed learned from icons like Chet Atkins and why mentorship shapes creative excellence. The Soul of a Photograph: Behind-the-scenes stories with Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, Loretta Lynn, and Glen Campbell. Work Ethic vs. Talent: The balance between natural ability, discipline, and the willingness to grow. Creativity in the Digital Age: Why true storytelling and human perspective can never be replaced by AI. Teaching and Giving Back: How Ed now passes on his craft as a photography instructor, continuing the cycle of creativity. Final Takeaway Whether through a song or a photograph, creativity is about storytelling that connects hearts. Ed Rode’s journey reminds us that art isn’t just about talent—it’s about persistence, curiosity, and the courage to see beauty in every fleeting moment. As he says, “We’re all storytellers,” and every story told from the heart has the power to inspire. Resources & Links: Connect with Ed Rode Book: Songwriter: Musician Behind the Curtain with Nashville’s Iconic Storytellers and Players Available online and at the Country Music Hall of Fame Store. Learn more: Visit NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com for songwriting resources, coaching, and community. Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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JOHN CHISUM: Developing The Skill of Rewriting
11/10/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Developing The Skill of Rewriting
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: The Skill of Rewriting Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with NCS Vice President of A&R and Production, Bryant Urich, to dive deep into the art and discipline of rewriting songs. As part of the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge, they explore why rewriting is essential to crafting powerful, lasting songs—and how humility, skill, and intentionality play key roles in the process. From Clark Beckham’s new songwriting courses to the band Eauclaire’s latest release, John and Bryant also share exciting NCS updates and practical encouragement for songwriters at every level. Whether you’re polishing your next worship anthem or trying to take your lyric from good to great, this episode offers real-world insights that will elevate your songwriting craft. Key Topics & Highlights: The importance of rewriting month in the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge How professional songwriters approach rewriting and editing Balancing inspiration with skill and craft Why “writing is rewriting” — the mindset that separates hobbyists from pros Overcoming false humility and defensiveness about your work Pre-writing and research as essential steps toward great songs Strengthening your hook and title through rhyme and alliteration Keeping focus on the “One Big Idea” (OBI) in every song The emotional power of songs—why listeners remember how you made them feel Upcoming NCS resources, courses, and community updates Final Thought: Rewriting isn’t about undoing your inspiration—it’s about refining it. Every great songwriter knows that inspiration starts the fire, but skill shapes it into something lasting. When you’re willing to revisit your work with humility and fresh eyes, you give your songs the chance to truly speak to others. Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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Steele Crosswhite & Caleb Yetton: From Rock to Redemption
11/03/2025
Steele Crosswhite & Caleb Yetton: From Rock to Redemption
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: Steele Crosswhite & Caleb Yetton: From Rock to Redemption Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with Steele Crosswhite and Caleb Yetton from The Rock Church in Salt Lake City, Utah. Once a rock musician sharing stages with artists like the Foo Fighters, Sheryl Crow, and Maroon 5, Steele encountered the grace of Jesus and traded the spotlight for a life of ministry and songwriting rooted in the local church. Together with Caleb, a fellow pastor and musician, Steele shares how God transformed his music and mission—leading to Captured by Grace, a record originally released twenty years ago and now beautifully reimagined for a new generation. The conversation dives into faith, creativity, and how great songs can grow from obedience and community within the local church. What You’ll Learn: How Steele’s encounter with Jesus radically changed his life and music The story behind Captured by Grace and its 20-year anniversary re-release Why The Rock Church’s music ministry is thriving in a challenging cultural landscape How songwriting can serve as a tool for mission and discipleship The importance of local church creativity and community-driven worship How music from Utah is impacting lives far beyond the state’s borders Key Topics & Highlights: From rock and roll to ministry – Steele’s transition from touring with major acts to leading music at The Rock Church. Captured by Grace – the inspiration, writing process, and new arrangements for the 20th anniversary project. Partnership and vision – how Caleb and Steele co-pastor, co-create, and lead a thriving creative community. Local church as a creative hub – empowering artists to make excellent music that reaches their own communities. Utah as a mission field – ministering in one of the least evangelical states in the U.S. through authentic worship. Timeless songwriting – how songs like “Matters” continue to resonate 20 years later with new life and production. Collaboration and legacy – involving new musicians and worship leaders in revisiting classic songs. Final Takeaway: Steele Crosswhite and Caleb Yetton remind us that when we give God our gifts, He gives them back refined with purpose. Whether on a stage or in a small church, great music begins with obedience, community, and a heart fully captured by grace. Resources & Links: Listen to Steele Crosswhite, Caleb Yetton, and The Rock Music! https://open.spotify.com/artist/0c8xYlEYETimOaLlGZcMVk?si=AjZJ1QwzTKiVrzv8jP2zpg Visit therockmusic.org for updates, music, and church information. Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care
10/27/2025
DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum turns the tables and welcomes longtime radio hosts Dawn Ray May and Steve Hiller, formerly of Moody Radio and now co-hosts of the Dawn and Steve Plus podcast. With decades of experience in Christian radio, Dawn and Steve share stories of their broadcasting journeys, memorable interviews with iconic artists, and the lessons they’ve learned about faith, resilience, and community. The conversation also dives deep into mental health, soul care, and why creating safe spaces for healing is central to their new podcast ministry. What You’ll Learn: How Dawn and Steve built careers in Christian radio. Memorable stories from interviews with artists like Stephen Curtis Chapman, Jeremy Camp, and Twila Paris. The shift from radio to podcasting and the freedom it brings. Dawn’s personal journey through grief, trauma, and healing after her father’s death. Why mental health and soul care are at the heart of their podcast. The importance of safe community, counseling, and practical soul care for Christians today. Key Topics & Highlights: The power of radio and music ministry – how songs and interviews shaped their years at Moody. From radio to podcasting – navigating the challenges and new freedoms of digital media. Personal story of loss and healing – Dawn’s testimony of finding hope through counseling after trauma. Breaking stigma in the church – honest conversations about counseling, mental health, and faith. Addiction, connection, and boundaries – insights from their counselor guest, Phil Herndon. The mission of Dawn and Steve Plus – encouraging, inspiring, and pointing listeners to Jesus through honest, hope-filled dialogue. Final Takeaway: Dawn and Steve’s story is one of resilience, faith, and obedience. From years in radio to launching a podcast focused on soul care and the gospel, they remind us that God can use every part of our story—our gifts, our pain, and our healing—to encourage and build up others. Resources & Links: Keep up with Dawn & Steve Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender
10/20/2025
CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum welcomes singer-songwriter, musician, and American Idol finalist Clark Beckham. Known for his soulful voice and authentic artistry, Clark shares his journey from small-town beginnings to national recognition and beyond. The conversation dives deep into the balance between ambition and surrender, the lessons learned from rejection and waiting, and how faith anchors him through every season of the creative process. Clark opens up about his experiences in the spotlight, the realities of the music industry, and how staying grounded in God’s timing has reshaped his approach to songwriting. He also discusses how true artistry comes from honesty, craftsmanship, and humility rather than chasing trends or fame. What You’ll Learn: Clark’s journey from church musician to American Idol finalist How fame and faith intersect in a culture of instant success Why patience and humility are essential in the creative process The importance of writing songs that come from truth, not pressure Lessons learned about identity, calling, and creative stewardship How to balance musical ambition with spiritual contentment Key Topics & Highlights: Early beginnings – discovering music in the church and learning multiple instruments The American Idol experience – highs, challenges, and how it shaped Clark’s character Faith through waiting – trusting God’s timing when dreams seem delayed Songwriting as honesty – why vulnerability and craft outweigh hype and algorithms Navigating the industry – what Clark learned about labels, fame, and staying authentic Spiritual maturity in art – how surrender leads to stronger songs and deeper peace Creating from overflow – writing songs from what God is doing in your life, not for validation Final Takeaway: Clark Beckham’s story is a reminder that success in music—and in life—isn’t about speed or visibility but about faithfulness. God’s timing is perfect, and the songs that last are born from honesty, surrender, and a heart that trusts Him fully. Resources & Links: Follow Clark Beckham on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/clarkbeckham/ Visit Clark’s website: clarkbeckham.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation
10/13/2025
MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with acclaimed songwriter and worship leader Mia Fieldes, whose songs have been recorded by artists like Lauren Daigle, Zach Williams, Phil Wickham, Kim Walker-Smith, and many more. From growing up in poverty and seasons of homelessness to becoming one of the most prolific voices in modern worship, Mia shares how faith, perseverance, and gratitude have shaped her journey. With honesty and humor, she opens up about her songwriting process, contending for miracles, and the importance of stewarding your gifts with diligence. What You’ll Learn: How Mia overcame early hardships and developed unshakable faith. Why gratitude is a key to unlocking God’s promises. The story behind writing Chain Breaker with Zach Williams. Why being a specialist is vital for songwriters. How to balance inspiration, discipline, and co-writing partnerships. Why faith should sometimes feel “offensive” in a culture of self-reliance. Key Topics & Highlights: Gratitude as a lifestyle – learning to thank God as an access point to His promises. Developing your craft – why excellence and hard work matter more than talent alone. Writing from revelation – how songs like Fierce and Tremble were born from real-life moments and prayers. Faith as a muscle – how persevering through trials strengthens belief. Stewardship in songwriting – becoming a “specialist” rather than a generalist. Miracle stories – contending for healing, children, and breakthrough despite impossibility. The bigger calling – why your life mission goes beyond music and how to carry faith into every moment. Final Takeaway: Mia’s story is a testimony of resilience, faith, and the power of stewarding your gifts well. Her journey reminds us that God can, He will, and He wants to—and that our agreement with His promises can change everything. Resources & Links: Follow Mia Fieldes on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/miafieldes/reels/?hl=en Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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JOHN CHISUM: Does God Really Give You Songs?
10/06/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Does God Really Give You Songs?
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: Does God Really Give You Songs? Episode Summary: In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich tackle one of the most frequently asked—and often misunderstood—questions among songwriters: Does God really give you songs? As Nashville Christian Songwriters celebrates its 10th anniversary, John and Bryant reflect on thousands of conversations with writers over the years who have wrestled with this very idea. Together, they unpack the difference between divine inspiration and developed craft, the tension between personal meaning and commercial viability, and how comparison and expectations can distort the creative process. With honesty and humor, John and Bryant explore how to honor inspiration while still doing the hard work of rewriting, editing, and learning the skills that make songs accessible, singable, and lasting. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why so many writers say, “God gave me this song” The difference between inspiration and craftsmanship How comparison with big-name writers can hinder your growth Why singability, hooks, and editing matter in songwriting The role of influence and platform in a song’s success Why humility and stewardship are essential for every songwriter Key Topics & Highlights: John’s 3,000+ conversations with aspiring songwriters over 10 years The sensitive nature of claiming “God gave me this song” How inspiration often comes through our own skills, training, and background Why accessibility and clarity make songs “sticky” and memorable The influence of platforms like Hillsong, Bethel, and Chris Tomlin on worship music The difference between good songs and commercial songs Why one song can launch a ministry—but many songs may never leave your journal The importance of being open to rewriting and receiving feedback Why personal transformation through songwriting is as important as public impact Final Takeaway: Yes, God does inspire songs—but inspiration alone doesn’t make you a great songwriter. True growth comes from humility, stewardship, and developing your craft so that the songs God births in you can reach and impact others. Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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STAFF EDITION: NCS Staff Takeover
09/29/2025
STAFF EDITION: NCS Staff Takeover
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: Claire Bacon, Bryant Urich, Chris Crenshaw, Kyle Kicker, and Jack Landis Episode Title: STAFF EDITION: NCS Staff Takeover Episode Summary: In this special episode of Song Revolution, the microphones are turned toward the Nashville Christian Songwriters staffas the team celebrates NCS’s upcoming 10-year anniversary. With John Chisum away on vacation, Claire, Bryant, Chris, Kyle, and Jack take over to share their stories, talk about their paths to NCS, and give listeners a glimpse of the unique personalities that make up the heart of the organization. From music industry journeys and Springfield connections, to rapid-fire fun questions like “Is cereal a soup?”—this episode is equal parts insightful and entertaining. Along the way, the team reflects on their own defining moments in music, the role of community, and why they love serving songwriters through NCS. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How each NCS team member found their way into music and ministry The “Springfield theory” and why so many of the team come from a Springfield Defining moments that sparked a love for music and creativity How NCS serves songwriters through publishing, coaching, community, and production The highs and lows of today’s music industry and what the future may hold Lighthearted team banter, rapid-fire questions, and behind-the-scenes laughs Key Topics & Highlights: Jack’s journey from interning at NCS to joining the team full-time Chris’s background as a youth pastor, event organizer, and touring drummer Claire’s path from Bethel Music and label work to NCS publishing and project management Kyle’s experiences as a worship pastor and band member before moving to Nashville Bryant’s early Nashville days, publishing insights, and role in building the NCS community The Springfield, Ohio/Missouri connection and its surprising role in the team’s stories Honest reflections on the realities of today’s streaming-driven music business Fun debates: doors vs. wheels, cereal as soup, and musician pet peeves Final Takeaway: Behind every great song is a community of people who believe in its potential. The NCS team exists to serve, support, and encourage songwriters from all walks of life, proving that creativity thrives best in connection. Resources & Links: Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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ANDREW GREER: Mysticism, Minimalism, and Music
09/22/2025
ANDREW GREER: Mysticism, Minimalism, and Music
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: ANDREW GREER: Mysticism, Minimalism, and Music Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes back singer-songwriter, producer, and filmmaker Andrew Greer for another deep and thought-provoking conversation. From literature and scripture to mysticism, minimalism, and music, John and Andrew explore how faith, creativity, and a posture of humility shape our art and our lives. Andrew shares about his move from Nashville to the small town of Plains, Georgia, and how a slower pace has opened up new margins for community and creativity. Together they wrestle with ideas of certainty, control, and judgment in faith, drawing wisdom from mystics, the Civil Rights Movement, and Andrew’s latest record, Songs from the Dark. If you’ve ever struggled with doubt, wrestled with control, or wondered how to connect your spiritual life more deeply to your art, this conversation is for you. What You’ll Learn in This Episode Why Andrew believes books and literature fuel creativity and songwriting How mystics like Thomas Merton and Meister Eckhart influence faith and art The danger of certainty in faith and how doubt actually strengthens belief Lessons from the Civil Rights Movement on humility, justice, and love Andrew’s songwriting process behind Songs from the Dark The power of laying down judgment and control to live in freedom Key Topics & Highlights Books & Spiritual Reading Andrew and John discuss the influence of authors like Thomas Merton, Mother Teresa, NT Wright, and Richard Foster. The value of memoirs and literature in opening perspectives beyond scripture alone. Scripture itself as mystery and mysticism, especially in the Gospels and books of wisdom. Mysticism & Faith The infinite nature of God and our being—living forever as an endless journey of discovery. Faith as uncertainty and openness rather than rigid certainty. Letting go of control, judgment, and resistance to embrace communion with God and others. Justice, Prejudice & Love Reflections on the Civil Rights Movement and Andrew Young’s example of radical love. Loving our enemies as a revolutionary act of following Jesus. Challenging cultural and religious biases that distort the Gospel’s radical call to love. Creativity & Inspiration How reading literature and scripture fuels songwriting and artistic expression. Music as communion with God, often born out of darkness, mystery, and unknowing. Andrew’s latest album Songs from the Dark, including tracks “Rescue Me” and “Hands,” which emerged from conflict, grief, and the pandemic. Suffering, Presence & Surrender John shares his heart attack experience and practicing “being with the pain” instead of resisting it. The grace of letting go of resistance and shame, allowing God’s presence even in suffering. Final Thought This conversation reminds us that faith and creativity both thrive in openness, mystery, and surrender—not certainty or control. Whether through books, music, or life’s hardest experiences, God continually invites us into deeper communion, where judgment gives way to love, and darkness can give birth to unexpected light. Resources & Links: Connect with Andrew Greer: andrew-greer.com Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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JOHN CHISUM: Inside Music Publishing
09/15/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Inside Music Publishing
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich Episode Title: Inside Music Publishing Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum is joined by Claire Bacon and Bryant Urich from the NCS team for a lively and practical discussion on music publishing. Together, they break down the difference between creative and administrative publishing, share behind-the-scenes stories from Claire’s time at Bethel Music, and explore how co-writing, retreats, and publishing support can shape a songwriter’s career. The conversation also dives into the DIY side of publishing—what it means to take control of your rights and royalties, how to avoid getting lost in the sea of mediocre songs released every day, and why honing your craft is essential if you want to stand out. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: The difference between creative and administrative publishing Why pairing the right writers together makes or breaks a song Stories from Claire’s experience interning at Bethel Music The role of writing retreats and camps in developing strong songs How to DIY your publishing if you don’t have a company backing you Why focusing on quality and intentionality helps your songs stand out Key Topics & Highlights: Claire’s journey from MTSU to Bethel Music to NCS The matchmaking side of creative publishing and how it shapes songwriting sessions How NCS retreats create powerful co-writing opportunities The challenge of standing out among millions of songs released each year Avoiding vague lyrics and writing with genre and purpose in mind Favorite songwriters and the impact of writers like Mia Fieldes, Cody Carnes, and Benjamin William Hastings Final Takeaway: Music publishing is more than contracts and royalties—it’s about connection, collaboration, and ensuring your songs have the best chance to thrive. Whether through a publisher or by learning the DIY path, understanding the business side of songwriting is just as important as mastering the craft. Resources & Links: Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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ANDREW GREER: Songwriting and Storytelling
09/08/2025
ANDREW GREER: Songwriting and Storytelling
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: ANDREW GREER (part 1): Songwriting and Storytelling Host: John Chisum Episode Summary: In this rich and heartfelt conversation, John welcomes singer-songwriter, producer, author, and documentarian Andrew Greer to Song Revolution. From his early days growing up in Texas with music all around him, to his time at Belmont University, and now as a respected artist and filmmaker, Andrew shares how music has always been more than sound—it has been a divine meeting point and a lifelong connection to God. Andrew opens up about discovering music as collaboration with the Creator, the spiritual weight of art, and how songwriters and storytellers carry the yearning for belonging and acceptance. He and John dive into the mystery of creativity, the intersection of sacred and “secular” art, and the role of music in healing, connection, and co-creation with God. This first part of the interview also explores Andrew’s reflections on growing up with thoughtful parents, his deep love for liner notes, the importance of songwriting beyond categories, and the spiritual resonance of great artists from Joni Mitchell to Roberta Flack. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Andrew’s early encounter with music and its connection to faith How music serves as collaboration with our Creator The difference between original sin and original virtue in shaping our lives Why songwriting is about more than “Christian” or “secular” categories How great art and music point us toward belonging and acceptance Andrew’s insights on the indie music landscape and why it’s a great time for creators Key Topics & Highlights: The spiritual role of music as connection and belonging How Andrew discovered a calling for songwriting and storytelling at an early age The influence of his parents and church community on shaping his worldview Why labeling art as sacred vs. secular often misses the deeper point Stories from Andrew’s journey at Belmont University and launching into music Insights on how artists like Joni Mitchell, Roberta Flack, and others shaped his perspective Why vulnerability and honesty in songwriting resonate more deeply than formulas Final Takeaway: At its heart, music is not about categories or success—it is about connection. Whether writing songs, producing stories, or simply listening, music offers us a chance to collaborate with God and remind one another that we belong. Resources & Links: Explore Andrew Greer’s work: https://www.andrew-greer.com/ Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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JOHN CHISUM: Music Publishing in 2025
09/01/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Music Publishing in 2025
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich Episode Title: Music Publishing in 2025 Episode Summary: Season 3 of Song Revolution continues with a practical and eye-opening conversation on one of the most misunderstood topics in the music industry: publishing. Hosts John Chisum, Claire Bacon, and Bryant Urich break down what publishing really means in 2025, how it has changed from the traditional gatekeeper model of the past, and why understanding it is essential for every songwriter. From copyright protection to royalty collection, from self-publishing to partnering with a publisher, this episode offers clarity and encouragement to help you take control of your songs and your future. If you’ve ever wondered whether you need a publisher, how to register your songs, or how to build the right relationships in the industry, this discussion will give you practical steps forward. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: The difference between copyright and publishing How publishing has evolved from gatekeepers to digital access The two sides of publishing: administration vs. creative development Why many songwriters choose self-publishing today What publishers actually do for songwriters How to know if you’re ready for a publishing deal Why relationships matter more than cold submissions How to find community and connection no matter where you live Key Topics and Highlights: John’s early Nashville days and the old gatekeeper model of publishing Claire’s experience developing writers and matching them in the right rooms Bryant’s perspective on band publishing and handling royalties as a group The importance of building your own foundation before seeking a publisher How marketing and publishing have become two separate tracks Practical steps every songwriter can take on their own: registering songs, networking, showcasing your work, and learning the basics of copyright Memorable Quotes from the Episode: “Copyright is about protection. Publishing is about getting your song out there.” “A publisher’s job is to elevate what you’re already doing—not create it for you.” “So much of making music today is DIY, and that’s a good thing.” “Publishing isn’t just about royalties—it’s about relationships.” Final Takeaway: You don’t need a publisher to get started, but you do need to understand publishing. By learning the basics, building relationships, and developing your craft, you’ll be ready when the right opportunities come. Resources & Links: Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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MADALYN ROSE: Forgiveness, Faith, and Finding Your Voice
08/25/2025
MADALYN ROSE: Forgiveness, Faith, and Finding Your Voice
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum Episode Title: MADALYN ROSE: Forgiveness, Faith, and Finding Your Voice Episode Summary: In this heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down in Moab, Utah, with emerging singer-songwriter Madalyn Rose to talk about her journey through personal loss, rebuilding her life, and finding healing through songwriting. From her Montana roots to worship leading in Colorado, Madalyn shares how grief, forgiveness, and faith have shaped both her music and her outlook on life. The conversation dives deep into the stories behind her songs, including “See What Grows,” a reflection on the power of letting go, and “Who You Leave Behind,” written for her church’s legacy series. With honesty and warmth, Madalyn recounts pivotal moments—like singing with Allen Stone at the Heaven on Earth Festival—that affirmed her calling and opened unexpected doors. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How personal tragedy can shape songwriting and deepen artistry Why forgiveness is key to emotional and spiritual freedom The backstory of “See What Grows” and “Who You Leave Behind” How to stay open to God’s leading in creative and personal decisions The role of community and connection in sustaining an artist’s journey Why saying “yes” to small promptings can lead to life-changing moments Key Topics and Highlights: Navigating the loss of her mother and the breakdown of her marriage in the same season Choosing forgiveness over bitterness and the spiritual transformation it sparked The inspiration and meaning behind “See What Grows” How a leap of faith at the Heaven on Earth Festival led to performing with Allen Stone Balancing worship leading, songwriting, and motherhood The story of receiving a dream guitar through an unexpected act of generosity Trusting God to weave together opportunities and connections in His timing Quotes from the Episode: “Forgiveness is the only path to freedom we have.” “I didn’t mean it when I said it, but the Lord started doing a work in my heart.” “God saved me from building up walls.” Final Takeaway: Your story, no matter how painful, can become a song that touches others. By choosing forgiveness, staying tenderhearted, and following God’s quiet nudges, you open the door for beauty to grow from brokenness. Resources & Links: Follow Madalyn Rose on Instagram: @iammadalynrose Listen to Madalyn’s music on Spotify & Apple Music under Madalyn Rose https://linktr.ee/madalynnrosemusic Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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JOHN CHISUM: Time, Tithe, and Talent
08/18/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Time, Tithe, and Talent
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: Time, Tithe, and Talent Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum and Bryant Urich shift the focus inward to explore what it really means to be a songwriter in today’s world. Beyond writing lyrics and melodies, this conversation is about discovering the deeper motivations that drive your creative work—your identity, purpose, and the integrity behind the songs you share. John and Bryant discuss the pressures that come with songwriting in the Christian space, the temptation to chase trends, and the challenge of staying spiritually grounded in the process. With honest stories and practical insight, they offer encouragement to writers at any stage—whether you’re just getting started or trying to reignite your creative spark. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why songwriting is as much about spiritual formation as it is about craft How to stay connected to your purpose when writing gets hard The danger of creating to be seen or validated by others Why your identity must be rooted in something deeper than public approval How personal growth leads to stronger, more honest songs Why songwriting is a long game that rewards consistency and humility Key Topics and Highlights: The internal conflict many songwriters face between calling and performance Why it’s okay to take breaks when creativity feels dry John’s reflections on mentoring writers through burnout and self-doubt Bryant’s experience rediscovering joy in the process of writing, not just releasing The power of writing songs that minister to you before they minister to others Letting go of perfectionism and pressure to produce commercial work Writing from a place of wholeness instead of striving The value of community, coaching, and trusted feedback in your journey Final Takeaway: Your songs matter—but not because of streams, charts, or recognition. They matter because they’re a reflection of your story, your journey, and your willingness to be honest with God and others. When you write from that place, the impact will follow. Resources & Links: Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean
08/11/2025
DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum Guest: Dan Dean Episode Title: DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean Episode Summary: In this powerful and heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Dan Dean—one-third of the legendary trio Phillips, Craig & Dean—to explore a decades-long career marked by timeless songs, deep-rooted ministry, and a newly released solo album, More. From early cassette recordings to leading worship across the globe, Dan opens up about perseverance, songwriting, the power of legacy, and why he’s more inspired than ever to keep creating. What You’ll Hear: Dan’s early journey from solo artist to founding member of Phillips, Craig & Dean Behind-the-scenes stories from their 30+ year career and 14 studio albums How one heartfelt war-time promise shaped generations of ministry The spiritual and emotional layers behind Dan’s new solo album, More A father-son duet and the family legacy of faith through music Why beloved songs like “Crucified with Christ” and “Revelation Song” still resonate Words of encouragement for aspiring songwriters and worship leaders Featured Songs from More: “More” – A song of hope written during the isolation of COVID “Home” – A heartfelt duet with Dan’s son, Devin Dean “Mother of Boys” – Inspired by a poem written by Dan’s mom “Never Gets Old” – A touching reflection on the unchanging power of Scripture Notable Quotes: “God always has more of what you need.” “You want to hear the songs that brought some kind of emotional or spiritual impact in your life.” “The power of one man’s decision can impact generations.” “It wasn’t always easy, but we were faithful to the call.” Resources & Links: Connect with Dan Dean: Follow Dan on Instagram: @danpcd Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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JOHN CHISUM: Want to Be a Christian Artist?
08/04/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Want to Be a Christian Artist?
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: Want to Be a Christian Artist? Episode Summary: Season 3 of Song Revolution kicks off with a powerful conversation between hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich about what it truly means to pursue a calling as a Christian artist. Reflecting on their recent experience at the Heaven on Earth Festival in Moab, Utah, they share personal stories, hard truths, and practical encouragement for artists who feel called to create for the Kingdom. This episode is about more than music. It’s about authenticity, obedience, and learning to start where you are. Whether you're a worship leader, an indie singer-songwriter, or simply exploring your creative gifts, John and Bryant challenge you to examine your motivation, clarify your calling, and step forward in faith—no matter your stage or platform. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why “becoming” is more important than “arriving” in your artist journey The difference between creating art from identity vs. seeking identity through art How to start from where you are, without needing to impress or perform Why your story is your greatest songwriting asset How comparison, insecurity, and external validation can derail your calling The importance of community and mentorship in your creative development Why Christian artistry must be rooted in spiritual obedience, not metrics or success Key Topics and Highlights: Takeaways from the Heaven on Earth Festival: worship, storytelling, and deep connection The false pressure to look like a “real artist” before you actually become one John’s reflections on his Integrity Music years and what has changed since Bryant’s honest experience stepping into live performance and finding freedom The sacredness of your story and how it shapes the songs you write What Christian artists must understand about calling, identity, and surrender How coaching, development, and trusted community make a measurable difference A preview of what’s coming in Season 3 of the podcast Final Takeaway: Success in Christian music isn’t about being famous. It’s about being faithful. The journey of becoming an artist starts with showing up, stewarding your story, and letting God shape the outcome. Resources & Links: Listen to Eauclaire’s music! https://linktr.ee/eauclaire Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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JUSTIN GAMBINO: Turning Trials Into Testimony
07/28/2025
JUSTIN GAMBINO: Turning Trials Into Testimony
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: Bryant Urich Guest: Justin Gambino Episode Title: JUSTIN GAMBINO: Turning Trials into Testimony Episode Summary: In one of the most powerful episodes of Song Revolution to date, host Bryant Urich sits down with recording artist and worship leader Justin Gambino, who shares his raw and redemptive life story—from addiction and criminal charges at age 18, to leading worship in Iraq, to becoming a full-time touring Christian artist. Raised in church and homeschooled in small-town Texas, Justin began his musical journey strumming his Bible as a boy, only to spiral into a destructive lifestyle during his teenage years. A run-in with the law, followed by a choice between prison and military service, led him to the Navy—and eventually to Iraq, where God quite literally put the guitar back in his hands. This episode traces Justin’s powerful transformation, the birth of his music career, and the spiritual awakening that reignited his faith. His 2023 album Made New and the ongoing annual revival in his hometown are living proof of God’s faithfulness and redemption. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How Justin went from addiction and theft to leading worship in Iraq Why his first deployment became the turning point in his spiritual journey The role of music in reconnecting with God during his darkest season How COVID-19 shutdowns helped him rediscover his purpose What it means to truly surrender your platform and calling to God The incredible story behind the founding of a county-wide revival in the same courthouse where he once stood trial Key Moments: 03:00 – Justin’s musical roots and discovering Christian music 10:00 – Addiction, brokenness, and being arrested at 18 13:00 – Choosing military service over a felony conviction 18:00 – Feeling lost in Iraq and reconnecting with God through worship 23:00 – Leading worship for fellow soldiers and rebuilding faith 29:00 – Going full-time in music and launching his career 35:00 – Falling into complacency and chasing popularity in Christian music 39:00 – The spiritual breakthrough during COVID that inspired Made New 43:00 – The full-circle moment of leading worship on the courthouse steps 47:00 – Launching an annual revival and walking in true purpose Closing Thought: Justin’s story is a reminder that no matter how far you've fallen, God is still writing your story—and sometimes He puts the guitar back in your hands just when you think the music is over. Resources & Links: Listen to Justin Gambino’s album Made New on all streaming platforms Follow Justin on Instagram: @justingambinomusic Learn more at justingambino.com Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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JOHN CHISUM: Mapping Your Next Steps in Music Making
07/21/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Mapping Your Next Steps in Music Making
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: Mapping Your Next Steps in Music Making Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich continue their deep dive into what it means to build a career in the current music landscape. They break down how the music business has radically changed in recent years, why anyone can now record and distribute music, and what that means for artists trying to rise above the noise. John and Bryant also get practical, discussing how to identify your “why,” set realistic goals, and map out the next right steps for your music. From learning the craft to investing wisely in production and marketing, they highlight the common pitfalls and the importance of not rushing into expensive projects before your songs are truly ready. Drawing on stories from artists like Howard Gripp and Katrina Pacheco, they demonstrate how patience, coaching, and strategic planning lead to long-term success. They also stress why building your skills and your message is essential before stepping into the studio or pursuing larger platforms. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How streaming, technology, and user-generated content have transformed the music industry Why quality matters more than ever in a market saturated with average songs The crucial role of understanding your mission and message as an artist Practical examples of artists who took time to develop before seeing breakthroughs How to wisely approach production, avoid common traps, and make your money count The benefits of mentorship, coaching, and being part of a creative community Key Topics and Highlights: The democratization of music: anyone can now produce and release songs, for better or worse Why thousands of songs on Spotify never get a single play—and how to stand out How to clarify your “why” so you can create music with clear purpose and focus Real-world examples of artists who spent years developing before landing record deals or large ministry opportunities Why rushing into the studio often backfires and how to avoid wasting money on songs that aren’t ready The role of producers in shaping an authentic sound that fits both your message and your audience How NCS helps artists and songwriters at every stage, from first drafts to full-scale releases Practical Next Steps Discussed: Write consistently to hone your craft before anything else Record simple demos to capture ideas and start shaping your sound Seek out honest feedback and coaching to strengthen your writing Decide whether to produce yourself or hire a producer—and how to choose wisely Build a plan around your first professional recording rather than jumping in blind Understand that making it in music is a long process that requires patience, investment, and strategic growth Final Takeaway: No matter your age, background, or level of experience, the most important thing is to keep growing in your songwriting, stay clear on your mission, and take the next right step—without skipping the foundation that will make your music truly impactful. Get Involved: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025 NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective - Check out the artists we’re working with! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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CHRIS WEINBERG: Build a Business For Your Music
07/14/2025
CHRIS WEINBERG: Build a Business For Your Music
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Special Guest: Chris Weinberg Episode Title: CHRIS WEINBERG: Build a Business For Your Music Episode Summary: This week on Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Chris Weinberg, a top business and performance coach who has worked with Fortune 500 executives, artists, entertainment companies, and entrepreneurs. As someone who has helped creative professionals turn their passion into a sustainable business, Chris shares valuable insights on what it takes to monetize your music career. If you’re a songwriter, independent artist, or creative professional trying to navigate the business side of music, this episode is packed with real-world strategies to help you structure your success. Chris breaks down his four pillars for a thriving business—People, Sales, Profit, and Self—and explains why balancing these elements is crucial for any artist looking to grow their career. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: The difference between coaching and consulting—and why both matter How to think like a CEO of your own music career Why artists struggle with the business side of music—and how to overcome it The four essential pillars of business success: People, Sales, Profit & Self How to build multiple revenue streams as a songwriter and musician Practical steps to monetize your music and develop your brand Key Moments: [03:03] – Chris Weinberg’s journey into coaching & working with creatives [05:52] – Coaching vs. consulting: What’s the difference? [08:27] – The biggest challenges creative people face in business [13:12] – Why successful artists need business coaching [19:08] – Breaking down the four pillars of success [26:07] – The mindset shift: Treating your music as a business, not a hobby [32:52] – The value of investing in coaching for long-term growth [37:09] – Final takeaways: Why you need a plan for success Get Involved: Check out what Chris is doing at Well Coached NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025 NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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JOHN CHISUM: How Music Works Now
07/07/2025
JOHN CHISUM: How Music Works Now
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: How Music Works Now Episode Summary: In this kickoff episode for July, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich reflect on the first half of 2025 and introduce the month’s focus: understanding how the music industry works today. They explore the challenges and changes facing songwriters and artists, especially those operating outside traditional industry systems. From redefining what “making it” means to embracing the calling of songwriting at every level, this episode delivers both practical insight and encouragement for Christian creatives. John and Bryant share lessons from their own journeys, reflect on standout moments from past guests, and unpack why success looks different for everyone—from indie artists like Jason Lovins and Justin Gambino to songwriters working quietly at home. The conversation highlights the importance of obedience, daily faithfulness, and allowing God to shape your creative path—one step at a time. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: - How the definition of “success” in music has evolved - Why comparison is one of the biggest creativity killers - What it takes to build a career in today’s indie music economy - Why obedience and consistency are more valuable than overnight success - How NCS is helping songwriters at every stage of their journey - Practical resources to understand the business side of music Key Moments: - Reflecting on standout episodes and guests from 2025 so far - Why the indie artist model is more relevant than ever - Breaking down the myth of “overnight fame” - How John rebuilt his music career at age 58 - The power of obedience in creative and career decisions -Why your journey is valid—no matter what stage you're in -Resources and book recommendations for navigating the music business - A preview of upcoming episodes on building a business and mapping your next steps Recommended Resources: - How to Make It in the New Music Business by Ari Herstand - How to Make a Living in the Music Business by Vince Wilcox - NCS Free Monthly Training – First Monday of each month - NCS Community for coaching, connection, and weekly support - Upcoming NCS Songwriting Retreat: October 16–18, 2025 Take the Next Step: Whether you're a hobbyist, a worship leader, or a developing artist, NCS has tools to help you grow. From free resources to deep-dive coaching, you’re invited to take one step forward on your songwriting journey. Visit nashvillechristiansongwriters.com to learn more, explore our library of past podcast episodes, and access everything from blogs to artist development programs. Get Involved: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025 NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective - Check out the artists we’re working with! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: Website: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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MANDY MORRIS: Overcoming Writers Block with EMDR
06/30/2025
MANDY MORRIS: Overcoming Writers Block with EMDR
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Guest: Mandy Morris (Executive Coach, Therapist, EMDR Specialist) Episode Title: MANDY MORRIS: Overcoming Writers Block with EMDR Episode Summary: In this compelling episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes Mandy Morris, a licensed therapist, executive psychological coach, and EMDR specialist. Together, they explore how trauma, subconscious belief systems, and emotional blocks can interfere with creativity—and how tools like EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) can help artists, songwriters, and leaders break through creative roadblocks and limiting mindsets. Mandy shares powerful insights into the connection between childhood wiring and adult patterns, how subconscious beliefs shape behavior, and why understanding your emotional makeup is key to unlocking lasting creative freedom. The episode even includes a brief, live EMDR demo where Mandy guides John through a real-time experience of clearing emotional tension. Whether you're feeling stuck creatively, battling imposter syndrome, or just looking for new ways to access your most authentic work, this episode will offer hope, clarity, and practical tools for healing and breakthrough. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How subconscious beliefs formed in childhood influence adult creativity and behavior The difference between conscious and subconscious thinking How trauma—even small moments—can impact long-term performance and identity Why “writer’s block” is often a symptom of unresolved emotional patterns What EMDR is and how it can help you rewire your brain for breakthrough How to begin healing from the past to access greater peace and productivity Key Topics Covered: What executive psychological coaching is and how it can help creatives and leaders How EMDR works and why it’s effective for emotional healing The false messages we carry from childhood and how to rewrite them Why not all creative blocks are craft-related—many are emotional How bilateral stimulation helps calm the nervous system and open new pathways Practical advice for songwriters and creatives to process anxiety, fear of failure, and shame Try It Yourself: Mandy walks John through a live mini-EMDR session focused on the fear of failure. The brief but effective tapping sequence provides a glimpse into how physical and neurological techniques can bring emotional relief and mental clarity—even in just a few minutes. Closing Thought: You don’t have to stay stuck. Creativity can be restored, and healing is possible. When you clear the emotional clutter, your best work—and your truest self—can finally come through. Resources & Links: Learn more about Mandy Morris and her work https://mandyemorris.com/ Try the So Free app (currently in beta), designed to reset your nervous system in two minutes Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/
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SARAH KROGER: Invitation to the Desert
06/23/2025
SARAH KROGER: Invitation to the Desert
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: SARAH KROGER: Invitation to the Desert Host: John Chisum Episode Summary: In this deeply moving episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes recording artist and worship leader Sarah Kroger for an honest conversation about faith, identity, songwriting, and spiritual wilderness. With a contemplative heart and a background shaped by Catholic tradition, Sarah shares how her latest album A New Reality was birthed in a season of silence and questioning. Together, John and Sarah explore what it means to embrace mystery in the Christian life, the importance of living in the present moment, and how belovedness can become an anchor in seasons of darkness. They also discuss the role of co-writing in Sarah's journey, her musical influences, and the inspiration behind standout tracks like “Galaxies,” “Ghost,” and the beloved fan-favorite “Belovedness.” Whether you’re navigating your own spiritual desert or longing to write from a deeper place, this episode offers a rich well of encouragement, authenticity, and insight. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How Sarah Kroger discovered her identity as a songwriter through co-writing Why gratitude and presence are key to thriving as an artist The inspiration and impact of her song “Belovedness” How contemplative authors like Henri Nouwen shaped her spiritual growth Why living in mystery may be the most authentic form of faith Real talk on spiritual silence, deconstruction, and creative perseverance Key Moments: [01:09] – John welcomes listeners and introduces Sarah Kroger [03:34] – Sarah on gratitude, presence, and the joy of doing what she loves [05:56] – The early passion for music and discovering co-writing [10:24] – Influences from Nouwen, Merton, and Catholic mysticism [13:06] – John and Sarah discuss spiritual darkness and the mystery of God [17:03] – “I am with you always” as a theme through the desert [23:39] – Letting go of old faith feelings and embracing radical immediacy [29:01] – Practicing presence and the discipline of stillness [31:14] – The story behind “Belovedness” and Sarah’s devotional book [36:39] – Exploring “Galaxies” and the divine image within us [38:40] – Writing “Ghost” and choosing sacred, traditional language [40:17] – John reflects on Sarah’s album and the beauty of authenticity Resources & Links: Order Sarah Kroger’s devotional Belovedness: Overcoming Your Inner Critic Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community
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JOHN CHISUM: Killer Ideas and the Unforgettable Titles (Part 2)
06/16/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Killer Ideas and the Unforgettable Titles (Part 2)
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: JOHN CHISUM: Killer Ideas and the Power of Journaling (Part 2) Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Summary: In this follow-up to their previous conversation on song concepts, John Chisum and Bryant Urich dive deeper into the craft of generating unforgettable song ideas and titles. Building on the foundation laid in Part 1, they explore how journaling, active listening, and intentional creativity can transform your songwriting from empty to inspired. John shares lessons learned from his mentors, including Bill and Gloria Gaither, and offers a candid story about missing a major publishing opportunity—proving the importance of doing your homework and understanding your audience. Bryant weighs in with examples from his work in Eauclaire and producing artists through NCS Collective, offering real-world insight on refining ideas and developing a unique artistic voice. If you’ve ever struggled to turn inspiration into impact, this episode will help you understand why writing regularly, listening broadly, and collaborating openly are key to leveling up as a Christian songwriter. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why journaling is essential for developing your lyric writing voice How to find original titles through fragments and lyrical observation The value of co-writing and rewriting to create unique songs Why great songs start with specificity and universality How to listen eclectically and study modern songwriting Real examples from NCS Collective, Eauclaire, and more Key Moments: [02:14] – Heaven on Earth Festival preview (Moab, Utah, July 16) [05:03] – Why unforgettable titles are the core of every great song [06:48] – Lessons from Bill Gaither on writing timeless lyrics [10:23] – How journaling sharpens your creative vocabulary [12:15] – John’s missed opportunity with Chicken Soup for the Soul [14:20] – The cost of not knowing your creative context [16:57] – How melody and rhyme stick with us from childhood [17:57] – Discovering your personal writing voice through journaling [21:34] – Getting inspired by song fragments and rhythmic feel [25:26] – How “Hold On Me” evolved from a beat to a finished track [27:13] – Why spiritual inspiration must still be crafted and refined [30:17] – Balancing nostalgia with modern sound in production [31:40] – The Spotify sweep: a tool to stay current with your genre [33:53] – Creativity is fueled by what you’re consuming [35:12] – How NCS Collective artists are succeeding with strong foundations Resources & Links: Register for Heaven on Earth Festival (July 16–19, Moab, UT) Listen to Eauclaire’s single “You Me the Kids” Check out “Hold On Me” by John Chisum feat. Phoebe Scott Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get your free guide Start your 14-day free trial with NCS Community Explore Pro Song Mastery – Next group opens July 7 Have questions? Contact: info@nashvillechristiansongwriters.com
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EMILY HOSTETLER: Heaven On Earth
06/09/2025
EMILY HOSTETLER: Heaven On Earth
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Guest: Emily Hostetler (Founder of Heaven on Earth Festival) Episode Title: EMILY HOSTETLER: Heaven On Earth Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum is joined by special guest Emily Hostetler, founder of the Heaven on Earth music festival—a unique and immersive Christian music and wellness event held in stunning locations like Jackson Hole, Wyoming and Moab, Utah. Emily shares her journey of discovering God's love throughout her life—from a childhood of spiritual curiosity in Boulder, Colorado to shaping a boutique worship experience that bridges the gap between churchgoers and seekers alike. Through storytelling, music, wellness, and natural beauty, Heaven on Earth offers a deeply personal space for rest, connection, and inspiration. John and Emily also talk about the power of music in spiritual formation, the artists and vision behind the festival, and why gathering in community can be so transformative for both creatives and attendees. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How Emily’s unconventional spiritual journey led to founding Heaven on Earth Why the festival focuses on soulful connection over religious programming The unique role of nature, music, and storytelling in personal transformation How Christian and mainstream artists create a welcoming, restorative experience What to expect at this summer’s event in Moab, including glamping, hikes, cold plunges, and stargazing Why authenticity and vulnerability are essential for deeper faith conversations Featured Festival Artists (2024): JOHNNYSWIM Amanda Cook Dave Barnes John McLaughlin Ashley Hess Eauclaire Madeline Rose The King Will Come Key Moments: [02:00] Emily’s spiritual foundation and discovering God's love in everyday moments [06:30] The slow revelation of faith and growing in understanding over time [08:45] Music’s emotional impact and favorite worship influences [14:00] The thinkers, pastors, and voices who shaped Emily’s spiritual formation [19:45] The origin of Heaven on Earth and its unique vision [24:00] Creating a festival experience that refreshes the soul without being preachy [27:00] Keeping the festival small and intimate to foster deep community [28:00] A look at the daily schedule: morning workouts, live music, storytelling, and stargazing [31:00] Recording a communal festival song and exploring creativity on-site Resources & Links: Learn more and register for the Heaven on Earth festival: https://www.heavenonearthfestival.com Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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JOHN CHISUM: Killer Ideas and Unforgettable Titles
06/02/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Killer Ideas and Unforgettable Titles
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: JOHN CHISUM: Killer Ideas and Unforgettable Titles Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Summary: This week on Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich kick off June with an essential topic for every songwriter: how to develop killer ideas and unforgettable titles. Great songs start with strong hooks, but how do you find them? Where do the best ideas come from? And how do you know when a title is fresh, original, and worth writing? John and Bryant share personal stories, songwriting insights, and even a few laughs as they explore how to capture inspiration, refine your ideas, and move beyond cliché Christian titles. Plus, they dive into the importance of pre-writing, journaling, and getting real feedback on your work. If you’ve ever stared at a blank page wondering where to start—or felt stuck using the same tired phrases—this episode will equip you with practical tools to level up your songwriting from the very first line. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why titles and hooks are the foundation of great songs The power of keeping a title list and collecting song seeds How to avoid overused Christian phrases and write with originality The importance of pre-writing and journaling to develop your ideas Why rewriting and coaching are essential to growth Real-world tips from Bryant’s band Eauclaire and NCS artists Key Moments: [02:00] – Launching June’s focus: killer ideas and unforgettable titles [02:30] – How Bryant’s new single You Me the Kids (YMtK) got its hook [06:00] – The challenge of writing original Christian lyrics [07:00] – Pat Barrett’s “Happily Hidden” and why unique hooks matter [09:30] – How to collect titles & why great writers are always listening [12:50] – What to do when your hook already exists in another song [15:00] – The myth of the fully formed download: why pre-writing matters [20:30] – Capturing your best ideas in moments of clarity and stillness [25:00] – Why writing 1,000 songs won’t help—unless you learn to write well [29:00] – Coaching, feedback, and why your favorite lyric may need work [31:30] – Journaling your ideas and identifying the emotional takeaway Resources & Links: Listen to Eauclaire’s new single “You Me the Kids” https://lnk.to/e-YouMetheKids Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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CLARK BECKHAM: Micro Moments of Flow State
05/26/2025
CLARK BECKHAM: Micro Moments of Flow State
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: CLARK BECKHAM: Micro Moments of Flow State Hosts: John Chisum Guest: Clark Beckham - American Idol Season 14 Runner-Up, Soul/R&B Artist, Educator, Host of Idol Breakdown Episode Summary: In this powerful episode, John sits down with acclaimed vocalist and musician Clark Beckham to unpack his journey from street performer to American Idol fame. Clark opens up about the highs and lows of the entertainment industry, how his faith shapes his artistry, and why he believes Jesus loves the complexity found in music—yes, even a flat five. You'll also hear about Clark’s passion for music education, the emotional weight of critiquing performers on his Idol Breakdown series, and why it's perfectly normal to not feel obsessed with your art every single day. Key Takeaways: Clark’s honest experience as runner-up on American Idol Why he sees music as a competition with yourself The story behind “Jesus Loves the Flat Five” How faith, love, and genuine care translate in the entertainment world The difference between worship as a genre vs. worship as a personal practice Why it’s okay not to feel creative every day—and why you should keep going anyway The purpose behind Idol Breakdown and how he handles criticism responsibly Demystifying music theory through Clark’s online courses Quotable Moments: “Excuses are just permission slips for mediocrity.” “God is the author of art. And when we express emotions through it, He’s in it.” “You don’t follow your passion. You work really hard to get good, and passion follows.” “Jesus loves complexity. He loves art. He loves the flat five.” RESOURCES & LINKS ClarkBeckham.com Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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JOHN CHISUM: Writing in Your Best Genre
05/19/2025
JOHN CHISUM: Writing in Your Best Genre
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: Writing in Your Best Genre Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich continue their deep dive into genre, style, and artistic identity—with practical insights on how to discover and develop your best musical lane. From personal stories to real-world examples like Anya Lee, Clark Beckham, and the NCS Collective, John and Bryant unpack how to write with intention, identify your audience, and stay creatively inspired. Whether you're new to songwriting or looking to sharpen your skills, this conversation will help you understand your artistic DNA, clarify your creative purpose, and embrace your unique sound and calling. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why genre and style matter more than ever in modern music How to write songs with clarity, context, and purpose The role of pre-writing in making your songs more impactful Tips for finding your “flow state” and discovering your lane Why writing in your natural genre can lead to greater creative freedom What to do when your favorite genre isn't "commercially popular" Key Moments: [01:10] – Recapping May's focus on genre and style [03:00] – Musical influences and the evolution of artist identity [06:00] – Releasing experimental music & the freedom to try new things [09:10] – Why knowing your audience before you write is key [10:35] – Anya Lee’s fearless fusion of pop, gospel & testimony [12:00] – Micro-moments of flow: Clark Beckham's unique spin on worship [14:00] – Balancing creative authenticity and market relevance [20:00] – Finding your unique voice within broader genres [25:00] – Why pre-writing and research are essential to songwriting [29:30] – What to look for in a great lyric: hooks, form, and repetition [33:00] – Co-writing and the power of community and collaboration Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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CLAIRE BACON: Genre, Growth, and Grace
05/12/2025
CLAIRE BACON: Genre, Growth, and Grace
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Guest: Claire Bacon (Project Manager, NCS) Episode Title: CLAIRE BACON: Genre, Growth, and Grace Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum introduces a new member of the NCS team: Claire Bacon, NCS Project Manager and music industry pro. With experience at Bethel Music, Pure Mosaic, and a degree from Middle Tennessee State University, Claire brings a unique blend of creative and business insight to Christian songwriting and artist development. Claire shares how she went from singing Disney songs as a child to interning at Bethel just three weeks after giving her life to Christ, and how that faith journey has impacted her approach to A&R, publishing, and artist development. She also opens up about the challenges of giving professional song feedback, and how relational trust is key in the music industry. This episode is packed with wisdom on genre vs. style, tips for emerging artists, and how to navigate your calling with both heart and strategy. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Claire’s journey from MTSU to Bethel Music and beyond How a personal faith encounter shaped her path in music The difference between publishing administration and creative publishing What it really takes to give—and receive—song feedback gracefully How to find your artistic identity in a genre-rich music world Practical advice for new songwriters discovering their sound Key Moments: [03:13] – Claire’s early love for music and storytelling [06:53] – Why she chose MTSU and how it shaped her career [09:07] – Giving her life to Christ—and getting a Bethel internship weeks later [14:32] – Stepping into real-world A&R with Pure Mosaic [17:00] – Navigating hard conversations with artists [20:02] – Genre & style: working across musical diversity [23:41] – Nikki Lou’s powerful folky transformation story [25:51] – Genre vs. style: how to define and navigate both [31:08] – Helping writers who feel “undefined” or stuck [33:36] – Advice for songwriters: study the genre you want to write in [35:31] – The exciting future of NCS and the NCS Collective Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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JOHN CHISUM: The Power of Knowing Styles & Genres
05/05/2025
JOHN CHISUM: The Power of Knowing Styles & Genres
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: The Power of Knowing Styles & Genres Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich dive deep into one of the most important (and often confusing) parts of being a songwriter or artist: understanding your genre and style. This discussion is packed with practical insights for anyone who has ever wondered, "What kind of music do I actually make?" Using real examples from the NCS Collective—including music from artists like Nikki Lou, Howard Gripp, Eauclaire, and Coby James—John and Bryant explore how genre and style influence songwriting, production, and artist development. Plus, they offer guidance for identifying your unique artistic voice, no matter where you are in your journey. What You’ll Learn in This Episode: The difference between genre and style—and why it matters How artists like Nikki Lou and Eau Claire found their signature sound Why knowing your favorite music is a powerful clue to your own style How the NCS Collective is empowering real people to make real music Tips for choosing the right producer or direction for your songs The importance of letting the song guide the production Key Moments: [03:00] – Christian music's wide range: from worship to folk to hip-hop [07:57] – The story behind launching the NCS Collective [13:00] – Producing Howard Gripp’s debut rock/CCM music [15:25] – How Nikki Lou’s grief journey birthed powerful bluegrass/folk songs [23:00] – A listen to Kobe James’ modern pop worship track Mighty God [26:40] – Bryant shares Eauclaire’s evolving sound: cinematic, folk, indie rock [34:00] – Highlighting Collective artists: Jay Davids, Bonnie Barbay, Ezra Worship, Anya Lee [35:30] – How to find your style: Let the song—and your heart—lead Featured Music in this Episode: Million Tears and Valley of Shadow and Light by Nikki Lou Mighty God by Coby James Grow and Faith Is the Bird by Eauclaire Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/community/ NCS Collective: https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/ Connect With Us: NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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ADRIAN THOMPSON: Bethel Exec on Miracles and Music
04/28/2025
ADRIAN THOMPSON: Bethel Exec on Miracles and Music
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Guest: Adrian Thompson (Head of A&R, Bethel Music) Episode Title: Adrian Thompson: Bethel Exec on Miracles and Music Episode Summary: In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Adrian Thompson, the Head of A&R at Bethel Music and former VP of A&R at Integrity Music. They discuss the impact of Bethel Music on modern worship, the controversy surrounding charismatic expressions of faith, and the process of developing and signing artists at Bethel. Adrian shares insights into how Bethel identifies new talent, the songwriting process behind their music, and the biblical foundation of their songs. He also opens up about his own spiritual journey, moving from a Presbyterian background to encountering the Holy Spirit, and how that experience continues to shape his work in music ministry today. If you've ever wondered how worship music is shaped, how A&R works at a major worship label, or why some churches criticize charismatic worship, this episode is for you! What You’ll Learn in This Episode: How Bethel Music discerns and develops new artists The role of A&R in shaping worship music for the global church Addressing the controversies surrounding Bethel’s theology & worship style Why Bethel cross-references song lyrics with Scripture before release The importance of community, mentorship, and authenticity in worship music How songs go from demo to finished album at Bethel Key Moments: [02:26] – Adrian Thompson’s journey: From Presbyterian roots to charismatic faith [05:54] – Addressing the controversy around Bethel & charismatic worship [10:15] – Miracles, gold dust, and why supernatural experiences divide the church [17:06] – How Bethel Music ensures theological soundness in worship songs [23:17] – The role of A&R in selecting and refining worship songs [27:45] – What it takes to become a Bethel Music artist [31:29] – The UK worship movement & its influence on global worship [36:12] – Advice for songwriters who feel called to write for the church Resources & Links: Listen to Bethel Music’s latest releases Follow Bethel Music on Instagram – @bethelmusic Get Involved with NCS: NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Get the free guide & grow your songwriting skills this year! Free First Monday Songwriting Training NCS Community Membership – 52 weeks of access to the right music industry professionals. Join today! NCS Collective: Connect With Us: Support the Show: If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with your fellow songwriters!
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