DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Hosts: John Chisum Guest: Dan Dean Episode Title: DAN DEAN: 25 Years of Ministry with Phillips, Craig, and Dean Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this powerful and heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with Dan Dean—one-third of the legendary trio Phillips, Craig & Dean—to explore a decades-long career marked by timeless songs,...
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ANDREW GREER: Songwriting and Storytelling
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: ANDREW GREER (part 1): Songwriting and Storytelling Host: John Chisum Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this rich and heartfelt conversation, John welcomes singer-songwriter, producer, author, and documentarian Andrew Greer to Song Revolution. From his early days growing up in Texas with music all around him, to his time at Belmont University, and now as a...
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SARAH KROGER: Invitation to the Desert
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: SARAH KROGER: Invitation to the Desert Host: John Chisum Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this deeply moving episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes recording artist and worship leader Sarah Kroger for an honest conversation about faith, identity, songwriting, and spiritual wilderness. With a contemplative heart and a background shaped by...
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CLARK BECKHAM: Micro Moments of Flow State
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Episode Title: CLARK BECKHAM: Micro Moments of Flow State Hosts: John Chisum Guest: Clark Beckham - American Idol Season 14 Runner-Up, Soul/R&B Artist, Educator, Host of Idol Breakdown Episode Summary: Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy! In this powerful episode, John sits down with acclaimed vocalist and musician Clark Beckham to unpack his journey from street performer to...
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NIKI LOU SAVICH: Songs Born From Poetry
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum EPISODE TITLE: NIKI LOU SAVICH: Songs Born From Poetry EPISODE SUMMARY: In this heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with longtime friend, songwriter, and Americana/folk artist Niki Lou Savich to reflect on her remarkable creative and spiritual journey. Once an international model, poet, caregiver, and therapist, Niki shares how songwriting unexpectedly emerged from her poetry during a deeply emotional season of life. She tells the story of discovering Nashville Christian Songwriters, attending her first retreat, and slowly...
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MICHAEL LEE BROWN: From Broadway to Songwriting
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Guest: Michael Lee Brown Episode Title: MICHAEL LEE BROWN: From Broadway to Songwriting Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes singer, songwriter, and Broadway actor Michael Lee Brown, best known for his four-year run in Dear Evan Hansen on Broadway. Michael shares his unexpected journey into the NCS studio, his early beginnings in music, his transition from musical theater to singer-songwriter artistry, and the faith-filled moments that shaped his path. He opens up about the...
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STOWTOWN WORSHIP: Unity, Legacy, and Worship
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: STOWTOWN WORSHIP: Unity, Legacy, and Worship Episode Summary: In this episode, John welcomes an extraordinary lineup of worship leaders and vocal powerhouses—Alvin Slaughter, Steven McWhirter, and TaRanda Greene—along with the vision behind StowTown Worship’s new project, Live from the Iron Manor. What began as a desire to bless worship pastors at the Metro Conference grew into a powerful night of worship, featuring reimagined classics, newly arranged favorites, and cross-generational, cross-genre collaboration. The...
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JOHN CHISUM: The Craft of Christmas Songwriting
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum & Bryant Urich Episode Title: JOHN CHISUM: The Craft of Christmas Songwriting Episode Summary: In this festive episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum and co-host Bryant Urich dive into the art and craft of writing Christmas songs. From exploring why holiday music resonates so deeply to analyzing the lyrical and musical trends behind the world’s biggest Christmas hits, this conversation is packed with practical ideas, humor, and real-world insights for songwriters. John and Bryant discuss everything from...
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JAMIE JAMGOCHIAN: Learning to Wait Well with God
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Episode Title: JAMIE JAMGOCHIAN: Learning to Wait Well with God Episode Summary: In this inspiring episode of the Song Revolution Podcast, host John Chisum welcomes singer-songwriter, worship leader, and author Jamie Jamgochian for a rich conversation about creativity, calling, spiritual formation, and her new book Sacred Surrender: The Practice of Waiting Well with God. Jamie shares her personal journey from studying jazz at Berklee, to encountering Jesus at twenty-one, to navigating a decades-long career in...
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MARY LOU KAYSER: The Power of Poetry
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3 Host: John Chisum Guest: Mary Lou Kayser Episode Title: The Power of Poetry Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes poet, author, and creative entrepreneur Mary Lou Kayser for a deeply moving and thought-provoking conversation on art, creativity, and what it means to live—and write—fully in a digital age. Mary Lou shares her journey as a teacher, writer, and poet, exploring how the rapid shift into the digital world impacts human connection and creativity. She opens up about loss, love, and the role...
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Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich
Episode Title: Inside Music Publishing
Episode Summary:
In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum is joined by Claire Bacon and Bryant Urich from the NCS team for a lively and practical discussion on music publishing. Together, they break down the difference between creative and administrative publishing, share behind-the-scenes stories from Claire’s time at Bethel Music, and explore how co-writing, retreats, and publishing support can shape a songwriter’s career.
The conversation also dives into the DIY side of publishing—what it means to take control of your rights and royalties, how to avoid getting lost in the sea of mediocre songs released every day, and why honing your craft is essential if you want to stand out.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- The difference between creative and administrative publishing
- Why pairing the right writers together makes or breaks a song
- Stories from Claire’s experience interning at Bethel Music
- The role of writing retreats and camps in developing strong songs
- How to DIY your publishing if you don’t have a company backing you
- Why focusing on quality and intentionality helps your songs stand out
Key Topics & Highlights:
- Claire’s journey from MTSU to Bethel Music to NCS
- The matchmaking side of creative publishing and how it shapes songwriting sessions
- How NCS retreats create powerful co-writing opportunities
- The challenge of standing out among millions of songs released each year
- Avoiding vague lyrics and writing with genre and purpose in mind
- Favorite songwriters and the impact of writers like Mia Fieldes, Cody Carnes, and Benjamin William Hastings
Final Takeaway:
Music publishing is more than contracts and royalties—it’s about connection, collaboration, and ensuring your songs have the best chance to thrive. Whether through a publisher or by learning the DIY path, understanding the business side of songwriting is just as important as mastering the craft.
Resources & Links:
NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com
Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide
https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025
Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training
https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training
Explore NCS Community and membership options
https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community
NCS Collective: Check out our artists!
https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/