JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Growing
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Stop Waiting, Start Growing HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John shares a powerful and honest message about the importance of mentoring and coaching in the journey of becoming a great Christian songwriter and artist. Drawing from over four decades in the music industry, John reflects on his own apprenticeship under legendary mentors and how that experience shaped his career. He challenges common misconceptions around calling, talent, and success—reminding songwriters that passion alone...
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JOHN CHISUM: Are You Drifting as a Songwriter?
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Are You Drifting as a Songwriter? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John introduces Theme #1 from the brand-new NCS Complete Songwriting Guide—the call to become an intentional Christian songwriter. Rather than writing sporadically or waiting for inspiration to strike, John challenges songwriters to develop a clear plan, take consistent steps forward, and steward their calling with purpose. Drawing from decades of songwriting experience, John shares how many writers dream of...
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CLARK BECKHAM: Are You Settling For Average?
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: CLARK BECKHAM: Are You Settling For Average? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with returning guest, artist, and songwriter Clark Beckham for a powerful conversation on artistry, worship, and the pursuit of excellence in songwriting. From his journey as a finalist on American Idol to becoming an NCS Records artist, Clark shares how his passion for soul, jazz, and expressive musicianship has shaped his unique approach to worship music. The conversation explores the heart behind his Acoustic...
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JOHN CHISUM: Don't Be A Lazy Songwriter
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Don’t Be A Lazy Songwriter EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum dives into one of the most essential—and often overlooked—skills in songwriting: finding truly great ideas. Against the backdrop of today’s rapidly evolving AI landscape, John challenges songwriters to resist shortcuts and instead pursue authenticity, depth, and spiritual connection in their creative process. He explores the tension between “high tech” and “high touch,” emphasizing that while technology continues to...
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GINNY OWENS: Different Kind Of Water
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: GINNY OWENS: Different Kind Of Water HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with award-winning artist, songwriter, theologian, and worship leader Ginny Owens. From her early discovery by Michael W. Smith and her years in the CCM spotlight to seasons of burnout, spiritual wrestling, and renewed calling, Ginny shares a candid look at the highs and hardships of life in Christian music. Now serving at Redeemer Church in Manhattan and holding a Master of Divinity degree, Ginny reflects on...
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DANIEL DOSS: Revival and Songwriting
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: DANIEL DOSS: Revival and Songwriting HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with songwriter and artist Daniel Doss for an honest conversation about calling, perseverance, and the refining process of songwriting. Daniel shares his journey into music, the challenges of building a career while staying grounded in faith, and the lessons he has learned about consistency, character, and craft. Throughout the conversation, Daniel opens up about navigating setbacks, staying creative...
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SHAYLEE SIMEONE: Honest Jesus Music
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: SHAYLEE SIMEONE: Honest Jesus Music HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John welcomes singer, songwriter, and storyteller Shaylee Simeone for an honest and heartfelt conversation about identity, calling, and the long road of obedience in a creative life. Shaylee shares her journey from early musical influences and family harmony to stepping out on her own as an artist and songwriter. The conversation explores the tension between ambition and surrender, the process of refining your voice over...
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AMANDA JANSON: Sinner To Saint
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: AMANDA JANSON: Sinner To Saint HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this powerful episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with worship artist and songwriter Amanda Janson for an honest and deeply vulnerable conversation about faith, calling, trauma, and songwriting as testimony. Amanda shares her journey from a Broadway-bound upbringing and a complicated spiritual background to encountering Christ in adulthood and eventually stepping into a life of worship and songwriting. The conversation traces Amanda’s move to Nashville,...
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JOHN CHISUM: Can AI Write Christian Music?
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JOHN CHISUM: Can AI Write Christian Music? HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum tackles one of the most pressing issues facing today’s music creators: artificial intelligence in songwriting. Fresh off multiple interviews at the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) convention, where AI was the dominant topic of conversation, John unpacks the realities, risks, and responsibilities surrounding AI-generated music. From deep fakes and copyright confusion to spiritual discernment and...
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JACKSON DREYER: Letting Life Shape The Song
Song Revolution with John Chisum
Song Revolution Podcast – Season 4 TITLE: JACKSON DREYER: Letting Life Shape The Song HOSTS: John Chisum EPISODE SUMMARY In this episode of Song Revolution, John sits down with singer-songwriter Jackson Dreyer for an honest and wide-ranging conversation about creativity, discipline, and finding your voice as a songwriter. From growing up outside Chicago to planting roots in East Nashville, Jackson shares how movement, architecture, relationships, and everyday life experiences shape his songwriting process. The conversation explores how stepping away from constant noise...
info_outlineSong Revolution Podcast – Season 3
Episode Title: SARAH KROGER: Invitation to the Desert
Host: John Chisum
Episode Summary:
Happy New Year and welcome to 2026! Thank you for joining us for Song Revolution. As we gear up for season 4 we wanted to share just a few of our favorite episodes from 2025. Enjoy!
In this deeply moving episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes recording artist and worship leader Sarah Kroger for an honest conversation about faith, identity, songwriting, and spiritual wilderness. With a contemplative heart and a background shaped by Catholic tradition, Sarah shares how her latest album A New Reality was birthed in a season of silence and questioning.
Together, John and Sarah explore what it means to embrace mystery in the Christian life, the importance of living in the present moment, and how belovedness can become an anchor in seasons of darkness. They also discuss the role of co-writing in Sarah's journey, her musical influences, and the inspiration behind standout tracks like “Galaxies,” “Ghost,” and the beloved fan-favorite “Belovedness.”
Whether you’re navigating your own spiritual desert or longing to write from a deeper place, this episode offers a rich well of encouragement, authenticity, and insight.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- How Sarah Kroger discovered her identity as a songwriter through co-writing
- Why gratitude and presence are key to thriving as an artist
- The inspiration and impact of her song “Belovedness”
- How contemplative authors like Henri Nouwen shaped her spiritual growth
- Why living in mystery may be the most authentic form of faith
- Real talk on spiritual silence, deconstruction, and creative perseverance
Key Moments:
[01:09] – John welcomes listeners and introduces Sarah Kroger
[03:34] – Sarah on gratitude, presence, and the joy of doing what she loves
[05:56] – The early passion for music and discovering co-writing
[10:24] – Influences from Nouwen, Merton, and Catholic mysticism
[13:06] – John and Sarah discuss spiritual darkness and the mystery of God
[17:03] – “I am with you always” as a theme through the desert
[23:39] – Letting go of old faith feelings and embracing radical immediacy
[29:01] – Practicing presence and the discipline of stillness
[31:14] – The story behind “Belovedness” and Sarah’s devotional book
[36:39] – Exploring “Galaxies” and the divine image within us
[38:40] – Writing “Ghost” and choosing sacred, traditional language
[40:17] – John reflects on Sarah’s album and the beauty of authenticity
Resources & Links:
Order Sarah Kroger’s devotional Belovedness: Overcoming Your Inner Critic
https://sarahkroger.com
Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide
https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025
Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training
https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training
Explore NCS Community and membership options
https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community