loader from loading.io

Engineering sales: Who are the best salespeople?

Sales Today

Release Date: 11/06/2025

What is Selling? (And Has It Changed?) show art What is Selling? (And Has It Changed?)

Sales Today

In the final episode of the Sales Today mini-series, Fred Copestake and James Michael step back to answer a deceptively simple question: Has selling really changed? The answer is both yes - and no. This closing conversation brings together the themes explored across the series and reframes selling not as persuasion or pressure, but as something far more human, thoughtful, and aligned with how buyers actually make decisions today. In this episode, they explore: What has stayed the same in selling - and what has genuinely evolved Why selling has always been about understanding...

info_outline
CEMMT vs SaaS and an Ethical Approach show art CEMMT vs SaaS and an Ethical Approach

Sales Today

In Episode 4 of the Sales Today mini series, Fred Copestake and James Michael tackle a growing tension in modern selling: the contrast between SaaS-led sales thinking and the realities of selling in CEMMT industries - construction, engineering, manufacturing, mining, and transport.   At the heart of the discussion is Fred’s work on Ethical Selling and why ethics isn’t an abstract concept, but a practical, tactical necessity - particularly in complex, long-term, high-consequence sales environments.   This episode challenges hype-driven sales narratives and asks a bigger...

info_outline
Why Great Sales Conversations Are Built on Process, Not Personality show art Why Great Sales Conversations Are Built on Process, Not Personality

Sales Today

In Episode 3 in this five part mini series of Sales Today Podcast, Fred Copestake and James Michael explore a question that challenges another long-held belief in sales: do great sales conversations succeed because of personality - or because of process? This episode looks at how the most effective salespeople consciously select their mode during conversations, switching between listening, questioning, sharing insight, and guiding the discussion - always with the buyer’s outcome in mind. Rather than restricting creativity, process and structure create the space for better thinking,...

info_outline
Why “The Gift of the Gab” Is a Myth in Modern Sales show art Why “The Gift of the Gab” Is a Myth in Modern Sales

Sales Today

In Episode 2 of the CEMMT Sales Series, Fred Copestake and James Michael challenge one of the most persistent stereotypes in sales: that success comes from being loud, charismatic, and constantly talking.   Focusing on technical and specialist industries such as construction, engineering, manufacturing, and logistics, this episode explores why many highly capable professionals feel uncomfortable with selling — and why that discomfort is often rooted in outdated assumptions about what sales really is.   In this episode, we explore: Where the “gift of the gab”...

info_outline
Why Old Sales Tactics Don’t Work Anymore (And What Does) show art Why Old Sales Tactics Don’t Work Anymore (And What Does)

Sales Today

In this opening episode of a 5 part mini series of Sales Today, we do things a little differently.   Instead of the usual host-led interview, Fred Copestake is in the hot seat as James Michael turns the tables and leads the conversation. Chatting from opposite sides of the world – Fred in the UK and James in Australia – the discussion reflects a wider theme of this episode: sales has been turned upside down.   Together, they explore how selling has evolved from persuasion, pressure, and performance theatre into something far more human, ethical, and buyer-led.   ...

info_outline
Live Review: 2026 State of Sales Coaching show art Live Review: 2026 State of Sales Coaching

Sales Today

In this solo episode, host Fred Copestake conducts a live, first-reaction review of the My Sales Coach “State of Sales Coaching in 2026” Report.   Fred reads the executive summary, explores the data, and offers unfiltered commentary on what the findings mean for sales leaders, salespeople, and the future of coaching - human and AI.   He dives into coaching frequency, quality, barriers, performance impact, the role of AI, who salespeople trust as coaches, and why tenured sellers may be the most underserved group of all.   If you want to deepen your coaching culture,...

info_outline
The Unnatural Acts of Selling: How Top Performers Do What Others Won’t show art The Unnatural Acts of Selling: How Top Performers Do What Others Won’t

Sales Today

In this episode of The Sales Today Podcast I am joined by Gerry Hill - widely regarded as a “pipeline savant” to unpack the uncomfortable truths behind pipeline health, buyer-centricity, conversational skills, and what truly separates top performers from everyone else.   Together we explore why good intentions often crumble under commercial pressure, how weak pipelines drive unethical behaviour, and why modern sellers struggle with basic conversational competence.   Gerry also shares practical guidance for sellers stuck in a “crushing low,” as well as his thoughts on...

info_outline
Ethical Selling: A Practical Framework in 10 Minutes show art Ethical Selling: A Practical Framework in 10 Minutes

Sales Today

Is it possible to make every sales interaction a win for all parties involved?   On today’s solo episode of Sales Today I address the conventional sales dynamic with a bold exploration of ethical selling.   Discover how a win-win-win scenario not only benefits the customer and the company but also leaves the salesperson’s conscience clear.   The conversation tackles the intriguing Goldilocks dilemma in sales - striking the perfect balance between being too aggressive or too passive.   I break down the ETHICAL framework, offering tactical approaches such as...

info_outline
From Texting to Talking Sales Training for Gen Z show art From Texting to Talking Sales Training for Gen Z

Sales Today

What if the reluctance to pick up the phone is the key to unlocking a new sales strategy?   In this weeks episode we address communication preferences of Gen Z sales professionals, highlighting the need for empathy and understanding from seasoned sales managers.   With insights from Janet Efero, an award-winning sales trainer, we explore the generational shift in communication styles and its impact on sales.   This episode is packed with strategies to bridge the gap between traditional sales skills and modern digital communication tools, equipping young...

info_outline
Non-commission sales is the future! show art Non-commission sales is the future!

Sales Today

What if transforming your sales approach could turn prospects into loyal clients without the pressure of chasing commissions?   Discover the groundbreaking sales philosophy at Esri, where Jay Hoffman, Key Account Manager, unveils a refreshing model that prioritises relationship-building and genuine problem-solving.   Forget the transactional mindset; we explore how adopting a consultative approach can turn sales professionals into trusted advisors who not only enhance customer relationships but also foster long-term trust.   Learn how Esri's mapping solutions...

info_outline
 
More Episodes

Jimmy Armitage, founder of Your Wavelength, joins me to unravel the complexities of recruiting sales professionals for technical industries.

 

This episode is full of insights for business owners navigating the intricate balance between technical expertise and sales prowess.

 

We dissect the fallacy of assuming every successful salesperson will thrive in any business environment, stressing the importance of aligning technical know-how with sales roles.

 

Jimmy sheds light on the benefits of training technically skilled employees in sales or recruiting individuals who possess both skill sets, offering guidance for overcoming the steep learning curves that often lead to failure.

 

We explore the unique challenges engineers face when shifting to sales roles, especially in sectors introducing new technologies like packaging machinery for potato chips.

 

By evaluating candidates through key pillars such as capability, environment fit, team fit, and motivation, we highlight how engineers can leverage their technical background while honing new sales skills.

 

Jimmy shares his views on the importance of motivation and natural communication abilities in managing the demands of field sales, such as international travel and client interactions.

 

We also discuss the value of transparency about product limitations to foster trust and connect with clients on a human level.

 

This episode wraps up by focusing on strategic hiring decisions, examining how structured planning and clear communication can maximise sales ROI and ensure new hires align with company goals.

 

Through this comprehensive approach, we aim to equip listeners with the tools to make informed and strategic hiring decisions that drive success.

 

 Chapters:

00:00 - Technical Sales Recruiting Strategies

12:00 - Recruiting Engineers for Technical Sales

17:33 - Effective Sales Training and Hiring

28:49 - Maximising Sales ROI Through Strategic Hiring

 

Links and Resources

 

Connect with Jimmy  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-armitage-yourwavelength/

Website: https://yourwavelength.co.uk/

 

Follow Fred: https://linktr.ee/fredcopestake

 

Take the Collaborative Selling Scorecard https://collaborativeselling.scoreapp.com/

 

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/nKSwkayPvgs

 

Watch Fred's FREE YouTube Course: Sales Mastery for Engineers: https://bit.ly/Sales-Mastery-For-Engineers