Your Plan for Financial and Studio Security

The sensible and lovely Danielle Famble joins BOSS Anne Ganguzza to discuss a critical, often-overlooked aspect of running a voiceover business: disaster preparedness and maintaining operations during times of crisis. Using Danielle's personal experience of a sudden apartment flood, the hosts outline the necessary steps for every voice actor to ensure both physical and financial resilience.

 

00:01 - Speaker 1 (Announcement)
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00:20 - Speaker 2 (Announcement)
It's time to take your business to the next level the boss level. It's time to take your business to the next level, the boss level. These are the premier business owner strategies and successes being utilized by the industry's top talent today. Rock your business like a boss, a VO boss. Now let's welcome your host. 

00:37 - Anne (Host)
Anne Ganguzza. Hey everyone, welcome to the VO Boss Podcast and the Boss Money Talk Series. I'm your host, Anne Ganguzza, and I am here with the sensible and lovely Danielle Famble. 

00:50 - Danielle (Guest)
Hey Anne, sensible and lovely, that's me. 

00:53 - Speaker 1 (Announcement)
Sensible and lovely. Danielle, oh Danielle, how are you? 

00:56 - Danielle (Guest)
I'm all right. I'm okay. It's been a little crazy in my world, but I'm doing all right. How about you? 

01:05 - Anne (Host)
Well it's been. I think it's just been crazy in my world. But I'm doing all right. How about you? Well it's been. 

01:08
I think it's just been crazy in the world, but you know, that's a, that's a that's a long discussion, but you know there's been a lot of crazy weather events that have been happening and and unfortunate, unfortunate disasters, and you know, because you're so sensible and ever prepared, Danielle, maybe we should talk about being prepared for your business and disaster, and what do we need to do to be prepared in order to keep our businesses afloat and operational? 

01:38 - Danielle (Guest)
That's a really good point. I have recently been through needing to be prepared and actually I have this booth as part of my preparedness and needing to be prepared out of really out of nowhere. We may have talked about this in other episodes, but my apartment flooded and I had to leave my home pretty suddenly. I had to leave my home pretty suddenly, and so my preparedness, my preparations that I wasn't even sure specifically what I was preparing for. I just needed to have certain things set up. Those things actually came in handy. The long story short of it all is at almost midnight I started hearing what sounded like a fountain in the walls and realized that that was probably not a good thing. 

02:32
Probably not a thing. Probably not a thing and probably not a good thing. Yeah, so I reported it and about 10 minutes later there was water all over the floors, all over in the hallway. There was water pretty much everywhere, and it was pretty clear to me that I needed to leave quickly. So I happened to have a to-go. My tri-booth was pretty much readily available. 

03:00 - Anne (Host)
Well, look at that, the tri-booth, and I myself have a tri-booth, that's at the ready. 

03:05 - Danielle (Guest)
The tri-booth was at the ready. I keep it in the suitcase in my closet. 

03:10
And I was able to just pull some things that I needed important documents, my laptop, my to-go booth and all the things with it, my mic and everything else. Travel. I basically have like a travel rig that I keep set to the side, and I left within half an hour to an hour, and that was actually the last time I lived in that apartment and spent the night in that apartment, unfortunately. So being able to take myself and my things and my business somewhere else, somewhere safe, was a piece of preparedness and also because I wasn't able to live in my home, I needed to use insurance and I needed to use my emergency fund to keep me through. So those were some layers of preparation that, while I was not preparing for my apartment to flood, I was able to use certain things that I had set to the side and set up specifically for that purpose. 

04:09 - Anne (Host)
Yeah, I mean, and there's, you know, the unfortunate floods in Texas, there's the fires in, you know, in LA, and you know we have fire season and there's tornado season. There's just all sorts of things that I think are becoming more prevalent these days, that now I think it's more important than ever that not only are we physically prepared, with things at the ready to go in case we need to evacuate quickly, so that we can, you know, manage to keep our businesses afloat, if that should be, of course. Of course, bosses, the most important thing is you being safe and your family and your loved ones and your pets being safe. Next in line would be you know supplies in order to keep you safe. And then, of course, right, having you know, a tri-booth is actually this is an amazing plug for the tri-booth, and we didn't even intend it, bosses, but both of us have tri booths and I'll tell you what they've. They've saved us in so many situations, myself included when I needed to have a studio set up immediately. That tri booth was convenient, ready to go on wheels, and for Daniel as well. So shout out to the guys, to George and and Tri Booth and Rick Wasserman it's an amazing. It's an amazing portable booth guys. You might want to take a look. I'll put a link in the show notes for you. 

05:32
But that's number one having the physical things but also things like insurance and then understanding what does that insurance cover. I think that's one of the things that you don't want to be surprised, right? You don't want to be surprised, right, you don't want to be surprised. I mean, of course, there's always this thing in, let's say, whatever area, are you near a flood zone, are you covered? You know, make sure that your insurance covers. If you are indeed in a flood zone, what does it cover? What doesn't it cover? If you're in a fire zone, what does it cover? Because we had to check that ourselves, my husband and I, because we are deemed living in a fire zone. So you know, your insurance may cost more, or maybe some insurances won't cover that. So talk to us, danielle, a little bit more about, like, what sorts of things financially, how we can prepare with insurance. 

06:20 - Danielle (Guest)
Yeah, there are several different types of insurance to have. So I think, when we first hear insurance, we think like health insurance for medical purposes, which is definitely one that everyone should have, if you are covered through, maybe, your employer, through your day job, through SAG-AFTRA, through NAVA, for example, like there are so many opportunities and options, the marketplace. So your health is one way that you would need to have insurance. Another thing would be your home. So is it renter's insurance, is it homeowner's insurance? And what does that cover? And making sure that you have a deductible. You understand how much your deductible is, because that's how much you're going to be responsible for. 

07:03 - Anne (Host)
And read the fine print, I just want to say, yes, right, what is covered and what is not, and what is not. Sometimes they're vague. Insurance companies are vague, I think on purpose, exactly. 

07:17 - Danielle (Guest)
So understand your living situation and having insurance for where you live Is it renters, is it homeowners insurance? And then there are some business insurances that you could have, so it could be covering your business if you are not working in your business for a little bit of time. It could be like a disability insurance if you're disabled and you're not able to work for a certain period of time. It could just be general liability insurance for your business, which could then cover certain things that your business owns, certain equipment that your business owns. So that's something to consider as well. 

07:53
There are different kinds of business insurances that you can have for your business, and you might have some of those. You might have a multitude of them, and each insurance has its own deductible, and so you should be prepared to pay that. And that's really where your emergency fund can come in, because if it is necessary, in the unfortunate event that you do need to use your insurance be it health, be it homeowners, renters, disability insurance you need to know how much you are expected to come out of pocket. And having that money set to the side for those things, that is what I deem an emergency, and so that's also what I calculate when I'm figuring out, how much do I need to have in an emergency fund, I also look at my deductibles. How much would I need to cover, and being able to have that put to the side is one thing that will just help you feel better. 

08:46 - Anne (Host)
And one thing I definitely want to say bosses, the reason why we're even talking about this is because we are running our own businesses. For all of you who are, you know I came from the corporate world. It wasn't something that I had to think about business insurance. It just wasn't because it wasn't my business, it was somebody else's. No-transcript, and absolutely make sure you're reading the fine print to make sure that you're covered, especially if it's a full time gig for you. Now, danielle, if, let's say, bosses are working part time, is it? Do you think it's worthwhile to look into business insurance, or is it even a thing? Right? 

09:42 - Danielle (Guest)
It really depends. I only got like liability insurance or business insurance because I had a client that was requiring it for me to have an ongoing relationship with them, so that was that was the reason that I got that insurance. But you don't you really need to look and see. It's an exercise and only do this for just a few minutes. 

10:05 - Anne (Host)
It's a business liability insurance. So is that through your business? It is through my business. 

10:11 - Danielle (Guest)
But I also have disability insurance and that is to cover me if something were to happen to me in a health perspective. 

10:19 - Anne (Host)
And that's something that companies typically, if you are working in the corporate world, they will cover that for you, and that's something we don't think about. We just don't think about when we, you know, health insurance absolutely is important, and in that health insurance is disability insurance, you know, and all of the life. What about life insurance? I? 

10:37 - Danielle (Guest)
mean Right, life insurance is another thing as well. So it's a lot of the things that you kind of have to think about with bosses. We're thinking about we're replacing the things that we would have or could have through a day job, and because we are running our own business, we have to break down. What would I have had maybe in a corporate day job or in a different kind of situation that now it's my responsibility of running this business to have? That doesn't mean that you need to have all of these things. It's just something to consider, and what I unfortunately do often because catastrophizing is a thing that I do is think about like what is the worst that could happen and how could I mitigate that? Really, it's just kind of a way to sort of cope ahead and think about what could happen and how. Is there an insurance that I might need to help with that, or how would I take care of something if this were to happen? 

11:41 - Anne (Host)
Now, all right. So the one thing I know most people are going to sit here and say, yeah, but insurance is expensive. Right, Insurance is expensive and is it worth the peace of mind I'm going to say? You're buying peace of mind. You're buying peace of mind for yourself and for your business, and so is your insurances that you have covering. Is it expensive? Would you consider that to be expensive and, if so, like? How much money needs to be set aside for insurance for a typical small business? Or what are the things that it's dependent on? Is it dependent on the size of your booth? Is it dependent on the amount of equipment that you have? Is it dependent on? Is it dependent on the size of your booth? Is it dependent on the amount of equipment that you have? Is it dependent on I don't know, your age and your previous health, Like? Are there criteria like that? 

12:26 - Danielle (Guest)
It really depends on the type of insurance that we're talking about. So, for example, my renter's insurance is not very expensive. It's basically like replacing a Starbucks habit per month. So there's that. But then I would think about what all is it covering and how much is it covering If I were to need to replace my sofa and my bed and my dresser and all of these things? I look at how much it would cover and see if that makes sense for me. 

12:56
With disability insurance, for example because someone recently asked me about that it is expensive, it is absolutely expensive, and to me it is worth the peace of mind because you just don't know what could happen to you If I was out living my life and something were to happen. I was in some sort of terrible accident or something and I couldn't work for some period of time. Is that peace of mind worth it to me? I think it really. It is so dependent on the type of insurance and what you're wanting to have covered. So it's worth getting a quote because you can just get a free quote and figure out okay, is the amount that this would cost me? Is that worth it for me to do for myself and or for my business or my life, my home, what have you, whatever the insurance is, and then figure out is that something that I need to get now or is that something that maybe I can work my way and my budget up to covering at some point? 

13:57
Like I said, with my liability insurance for my business, I got it because I had a client who was requiring that my business have it in order for us to have a working relationship. And then I thought, okay, is it worth it working with this client? Is it worth it to get this insurance or not? So it really is a case-by-case basis, but you can usually get quotes and find out how much your deductible, how much your premiums, how much is it going to cost you to have this insurance? And then you can ask yourself is that something that I can self-insure by just having enough money put to the side in my emergency fund, or is that something that the peace of mind is worth it to me to get this particular type of insurance? 

14:38 - Anne (Host)
And sometimes that's that your client requested it. Right to have that liability insurance. Sometimes that can be a negotiation point as well. I mean, I've negotiated with vendors that I work with, you know, because I'm like, look, I'm a good client and you're going to have me for a long time. So if that's the case, I could really use this particular piece of software so that I can communicate better with you guys, so you can use it potentially as a negotiation point. 

15:08
It doesn't always have to come out of your pocket, especially if you've got a client who really wants you and likes you and wants to work with you. You know there is that. I mean you know what is the cost, what is the cost to you? And again, consider this as an investment in your business. And for the most part we're talking about people who are full time right, full time, because I think you know part time you either have coverage in some other area that's covering those same things, or maybe you don't, maybe you have multiple businesses, and so if that's the case, then probably even more so. That's really the same as one good full-time business, right, having multiple small businesses. Absolutely, you're going to need insurance for that. 

15:56 - Danielle (Guest)
And some things are covered through your, your job, so you don't need to self-insure your voiceover. Business does not need to insure. You. Recommend that you read the fine print and you continue. 

16:19 - Anne (Host)
If you are continuing with a particular provider that has a plan that bundles it, make sure that they aren't changing the terms of the contract when you renegotiate on a yearly basis or a monthly basis or whatever. That is because things change, or whatever. That is because things change and I know that you know if you live in an area that's prone to natural disasters sometimes they will say we were covered and all of a sudden you're not covered. So really keep an eye out, guys, for your insurance company changing their policy, changing their terms, and keep up with that. And again, if you are not good at looking at those types of things, then I strongly suggest you, you know, have somebody that can help you to make sure that things are good. There's always wonderful people to work with in the industry that we can recommend, that can help you with those sorts of things. 

17:13
So make sure that you're looking at those contracts and, again, physically being prepared right, in case there is a natural disaster and you're unfortunate, if your studio is destroyed or your home is destroyed or you need to maybe live somewhere else for a while. No matter what happens, it doesn't have to be a natural disaster, right? You want to make sure that you're prepared to be able to carry on business, if you can, of course, if it's not something that's devastated to you or your health or your family, your family's health and that you can continue working. You want to make sure that you physically have the tools to be able to do so, and what's nice about being a voiceover artist is that we don't. We don't need much to be quite honest, we really don't we need from almost anywhere right. 

18:03
Right because and we've proven that time and time again when we travel and we go to hotels, right what? We need a pair of headphones, and even that if you have a pair of earpods, like airpods, whatever, um, headphones, a microphone pillows that we can live with, that we can do that. So make sure that that backup, that you have that backup and again, it's one of the first things I always talk about you should always be backed up in case, let's say, this microphone were to go today, even though I take very good care of it. I've had it for years and I don't anticipate it going. I do have a backup in the closet. I have multiple backups, but, you know, having a backup as soon as you can invest in it. 

18:43
To get a backup, a backup microphone, a backup computer, you do need a computer, right? Maybe a backup computer or another computer, another method that you know of, and it should be worked out. So it shouldn't be something like, oh yeah, I've got a computer somewhere, but then you forgot that you didn't load on the editor, you didn't load on the operating system is not up to date, and all of a sudden you're like, oh crap, I don't think this is going to work with my existing audio interface. So make sure that your backup equipment is good, working and functioning and can work in another place, in another area. So take some time, set up that other computer right, put on your audio interface, your backup audio interface and your backup mic and test it out right. Make sure that things are functioning and working and up to date. 

19:31
I have to tell you, every time I go traveling it's like, oh gosh, I got to update my computer, I got to update my laptop, because I do have a laptop just for traveling and I'm like, oh yeah, I got to remember to bring that laptop out a good week in advance before I travel and make sure I update my Dropbox, because I have all my files on the cloud and I want to make sure that when I'm somewhere else, that I am not going to rely on any internet connection. 

19:54
That's the other thing, too, is that you may not have an internet connection where you are, where you go, in the event that you are not in your studio anymore, right, you may not have internet connection. So that's another thing to consider. Do you have an alternate? Can you use your phone as a hotspot? So many things to consider not just insurance, financial wise, but also equipment wise. So the first thing you should do as a good business owner is always set up your backups right, your backup equipment, in case maybe there's not even a natural disaster, but your studio fails. 

20:28 - Danielle (Guest)
You're just away from your studio. 

20:30 - Anne (Host)
Exactly so, having that plan right, having that backup plan, that disaster backup plan, even for, just you know, another studio set up, is imperative. 

20:42 - Danielle (Guest)
Yeah, and I love you. You said this really quickly and casually, but it is a really good point to make is you said the word invest. Invest in these things because that is part of investing in your business, that's part of investing in yourself, it's part of investing in in your education. You need to know how to use your secondary setup. You need to know what to do just in case the internet isn't working quite well. What? What is your, what is your process? And that's when I say sort of catastrophizing that's kind of part of it too is just imagine okay, so something happened. I'm not able to use studio, my primary studio, or A. What is my plan B? What does that look like? How do I get everything to work together? How do I set it up? If I need to set it up in a short period of time, what is my process of using these things and test it out? Make sure that your Source Connect can work on it. If you use Source Connect, make sure that you know how to oh, yes, please the good one. 

21:37
Yes, please, the good one, yes please. 

21:43 - Anne (Host)
People forget about. Oh shoot, source Connect isn't loaded on my backup laptop, and that's really important too. That's a really important thing. 

21:46 - Danielle (Guest)
For me. I have a whole process that I use and it's my travel setup. 

21:53 - Anne (Host)
Do you have a lock? 

21:53 - Danielle (Guest)
I have an iLock, I have and I keep it on a specific like key ring that is connected to the case that I use to hold my travel microphone. 

22:05
It's pretty much been fleshed out and thought through, but when I first started using this setup I was nervous because I didn't know how to use it and I hadn't taken the time to educate myself on how to use it. So that lack of confidence really came through in other parts of my business. It came through in my read, it came through in how I showed up. So it's not just about having the things that would cover you, it's making sure that you are able to cover the situation no matter what happens to you. 

22:35 - Anne (Host)
And just as in disaster preparedness right, we have lists right, here's what you need in the event of an evacuation. This is what we need to bring with us, right, water, food you know the cat food, the litter box, the you know, we literally have stuff ready next to the car, right Next to the like, in backpacks, like stored food, water. You know my backup, I have backup. You know studio, all that stuff it's actually at the ready to go quickly because in the event of a natural disaster, when you have to leave quickly a fire or a tornado or, you know, flash flood, those types of things when you got to get out quick, you're not in a in a moment where you can think you know, casually, or or, or, or, oh yeah, what do I need to bring? No, you've got to be able to be at the ready. 

23:22
So, whatever you can do to prepare yourself for that secondary, you know business setup like and that would be that would include your, your physical equipment, whatever you need to keep you safe, you and your family members and your and your animals safe. And of course, like I said, we're not saying that you're I certainly microphone's on my list of things to bring, but that does not. You know that does not precede my husband. I mean, my husband and I have to be safe first before I'm going to save this microphone. Because again, that's just. You know, we all know our priorities. But it is on the list and again, I love how you said you know, make sure that you've used it, that secondary, like make sure you've got SourceConnect on that secondary computer or you're able to transfer the licenses, or you know how to do that. I do mine through software and you know you've got the software there that you can transfer it, and so make sure that you've got that ready to go. I'm trying to think of other things that you can prepare for. 

24:22 - Danielle (Guest)
Well, what I will also say is try to do this now, while you are a calm and rational person. Exactly. 

24:30 - Anne (Host)
Yes, well, I can imagine when you had to get out of your apartment I was not calm or rational. Okay, you're sensible and lovely. Maybe not at the moment. 

24:39 - Danielle (Guest)
I was none of those things, none of those things at all. But if you can do it while or at least you've thought through it, while you are calm and rational, let present you take care of future you in the way that you handle yourself, your business, make sure you have your passwords to all these things. You might even need to be able to access the insurances that we talked about. Like, make sure you have what you need and you have, you know, a go bag for yourself and a go bag for your business, so that you're able to just take what you need and get yourself to safety yourself most important, your family most important and then your ability to continue on. That's just part of your building your resilience as a business owner, as a vo boss. Other things that you you can talk about, we can talk about as well. We kind of hit on it, but this is really the the main part of having the emergency fund. 

25:39 - Anne (Host)
I was just going to say. Let's reiterate the importance of the emergency fund. 

25:43 - Danielle (Guest)
This is really where having an emergency fund is like. This is why we have emergency funds. 

25:49
I treat myself and my business as two completely separate entities. So myself personally has an emergency fund and my business has an emergency fund and they're separate. So the business's emergency fund is to help cover anything that is business related. So if I needed to buy a new booth because my last one was involved in a flood, or if I needed to take care of my living situation I don't know if I said this, but I was living in a hotel for about three weeks and that was not fun. 

26:27 - Speaker 1 (Announcement)
Just saying tri-booth. 

26:29 - Danielle (Guest)
That was not fun, but my tri-booth was living with me in that hotel for about three weeks while I got myself together, and then also the traveling back and forth, and I needed things, just personally. I needed things to keep me sane as best as I could be. 

26:48 - Anne (Host)
Absolutely, and sometimes being able to work, being able to work is something that can help you believe it or not, if you're in a safe space and you have to be there, uh, where you can't return to your home or you need to, you know, get a new place to to be and you're in a temporary space for a while I was in a temporary space for three months, and so you know, being comfortable and being able to work through that can can help help with your mental health as well. 

27:16
You know it doesn't and you're not sitting there, just you waiting and not able to do things and worrying about your business and not being able to make money. And so if this is your full time job, then, yes, take the steps now, while you're a rational, sensible and lovely person, and make sure that you have an exit plan. Number one, to keep yourself safe and your loved ones safe and your pets safe, and then also your business. I like how you have a separate. Do you have a separate fund for yourself and a separate fund for your business as well? I? 

27:47 - Danielle (Guest)
love that. At separate banks, at separate financial institutions. Oh, okay, okay. 

27:50 - Anne (Host)
Now explain the strategy behind that. I love that. 

27:54 - Danielle (Guest)
Well, mostly it really started for accounting purposes. So my personal checking account and savings account and emergency fund was always at a completely different financial institution, really for accounting, and then opened up a savings account, a high yield savings account, for the business at a third, actually fourth, institution. So really that was just keeping everything separate for accounting purposes. For me it just helped keep everything separate visually and I don't know, it just works for my brain. So there's nothing you don't have to do it a certain way. 

28:45 - Anne (Host)
I love that though. 

28:46 - Danielle (Guest)
But keep it separate. 

28:47 - Anne (Host)
You know why I love that? Because entrepreneur-wise and business owner-wise right, my business is my business. It's mine only. Right, mine only. And I don't anticipate ever not being married. But, should you know, I mean I don't know, I don't even like to say that there's a possibility, but everything is separate for me and it's always worked that way, and I've discussed this before where my husband and I have separate, we have separate accounts. It's been separate forever. I mean, my business is completely separate. I'm the only person that owns that business and fear of something happening at that institution, absolutely so, you know, I kind of spread it around, yeah. 

29:44
Now I feel like oh, and I have a Swiss bank account too. No, you know, I mean hey. 

29:50 - Danielle (Guest)
That's actually really important too, because when you look at all of the different institutions and this might become a little bit more advanced than anyone would really need. But there's also something to be said for FDIC insurance. 

30:09 - Anne (Host)
Yes, yes, yes, which covers you up to $250,000. 

30:12 - Danielle (Guest)
That's why, so, if you have all of your money in one institution. It may happen that you're over that amount. And so that's something to consider as well, depending on how much you're keeping in combined. 

30:29 - Anne (Host)
I'm glad that you brought that up, because that's exactly one of the reasons why I have multiple high yield savings accounts. 

30:34 - Danielle (Guest)
It's the exact reason that I'm glad that I have them separately. Also, the reason is the exact reason that I have that I'm glad that I have them separately. I had them separately for accounting purposes, but now that I've grown in myself and my business, I'm I'm just super happy that. 

30:47 - Anne (Host)
That's just something that I've kind of already Say that one more time, just so bosses know, because it was something I wasn't aware of until my accountant had brought it up. Right In regards to putting your money in different places, because FDIC insurance only covers up to $250,000. 

31:03
Right, exactly Per institution. Per institution, yes. So if you have that all in one space, you have to be very careful, and if you open multiple, you don't have to have that amount in there, but you can start multiple accounts in different places and that will help protect your money. 

31:21 - Danielle (Guest)
And then also thinking about how much that you need in your emergency fund, depending on for me, depending on if it's personal or for my business a rule of thumb that you'll probably hear a lot of people talking about in personal finance is three to six months of expenses. 

31:40
Ok, cool, that can maybe be for your personal, but for my business, I want to make sure that I am covering all of the things that my business needs. I have an assistant, a virtual assistant, and so I'm not just trying to look out for myself, I'm looking out for the things that my business is responsible for, which is also her salary. So that may or may not be the three to six months of expenses. Yes, that is part of the expenses of the business, but I want to make sure that, in the event that something happens, I'm able to cover myself her all the other subscriptions and things that are covered. So I don't necessarily look for that three to six months for my business. I also think about what's my premium, what are my deductibles, what would I need to spend money on with all the things that are covered under my business, and I lump all of that in so my business's emergency fund might actually end up being greater than what my personal emergency fund would be, because my business has all these different things. 

32:46 - Anne (Host)
You have more entities, absolutely Well, you know, danielle, I can't think of anybody else that I could that could make this conversation more pleasant than you, sensible and lovely, because we're talking about disaster and disaster recovery and being prepared. So, bosses, you know it may not be the most glamorous thing to talk about. However, I believe it's one of the most necessary things and, should we need to be able to, you know, quickly recover from a disaster of any sort, we want to be prepared for that as much as we can. So, danielle, thank you so much for your wisdom and your sensibility and loveliness, and I'm going to give a great big shout out to IPDTL, which, by the way, is another thing you can use if you need to connect to studios. You can find out more about IPDTL at their website, ipdtlcom. Bosses, have an amazing week and we will see you next week. 

33:42 - Speaker 2 (Announcement)
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