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012: Relationship Skills - Level 2

You Were Made for This

Release Date: 01/30/2019

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You Were Made for This

In the past dew episodes I’ve been talking about how I tracked down my birth father and met him for the first… and last time in my life. You’ll find links to those episodes at the bottom of the show notes. Today’s show concludes this painful chapter in my life by focusing on a larger relational and spiritual principle that applies to all of us. Namely, sometimes in our difficulties God will surprise us in unusual ways to remind us he is still working for our good and for his glory. But before we get into today’s episode, here’s what this podcast is all about.   Welcome to...

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Hello everyone. If you haven’t listened to episode 215, “Searching for my Birth Father,” I suggest listening to that episode before continuing with this one. Just go to . Today’s episode, #216, continues with the theme of how understanding our past helps us understand our present when we see how God began shaping us early on to find joy in being the person he created us to be. Before we get into this I need to tell you that Carol, our announcer and executive director on vacation this week. Filling in for her is the latest addition to our staff, our chaplain and family cat, Father...

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One of the more popular topics from past episodes has been the story of Gail Rohde who was adopted as an infant, and her search as an adult for her birth mother. Then several years after finding her, she searched for her birth father - and found him, too. I’ll have links to those episodes at the bottom of the show notes.  It can be a relational minefield in dealing with the dynamics of adoptees wanting to know where they’ve come from, especially when it’s been hidden from them. I have a similar story about searching for my birth father that I wrote about in my book, THEM. ...

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One thing on my mind lately is a question about the meaningful conversations we sometimes have with friends, and what makes them different from other conversations. I started thinking about this while reading news articles about the Super Bowl played earlier this month. Meaningful conversations and the Super Bowl don’t quite seem to fit together, but they do in my mind.  Keep listening and I’ll explain the connection in today’s episode, number 213. Welcome to today’s episode Maybe they’ve always done this, I don’t know, but it seems that sports journalists lately are using a...

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The older I get the more I’ve come to appreciate how it’s the little things we do for people that matter most to them. Little things that come naturally for us because of how God uniquely made us, I’ve got a few stories for you today to illustrate this point. Stories that I hope will inspire you to bless others in ways that are easy and natural for you. But before we get into today’s episode, here’s what this podcast is all about.   Welcome to You Were Made for This If you find yourself wanting more from your relationships, you’ve come to the right place. Here you’ll...

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A men’s breakfast can be fun and still have a greater purpose than eating and conversation. When organized with a larger objective in mind it can be a great way to bless people and a means to live out the Gospel. Today’s episode is about my Men with Waffles breakfast and the impact it had on others not even in the room. Especially women. Breakfast with a friend  A few weeks ago my friend Randy was in town for the Christmas holiday. We used to go to the same church, but his job change meant a move to Pittsburgh. He and his wife are still closely connected with friends they have back in...

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CURIOUS. It’s my pick for the 2024 Word of the Year. Curious. It’s an important relational skill we need to help us deepen our relationships with others.  Today’s episode is about what happens when we’re not curious about people, and what we can do about it to strengthen our relational curiosity muscles that will enrich our relationships. But before we get into today’s episode, here’s what this podcast is all about.   Welcome to You Were Made for This If you find yourself wanting more from your relationships, you’ve come to the right place. Here you’ll discover...

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When you get right down to it, the only thing that really matters in the Christmas story in 2023 is Jesus. No Santa, gifts, or Bing Crosby. Just Jesus. Here's the original story as recorded in Luke's Gospel, just as it happened. I am reading from The Message, by Eugene Peterson. Luke 2: 1-20 The Birth of Jesus  About that time Caesar Augustus ordered a census to be taken throughout the Empire. This was the first census when Quirinius was governor of Syria. Everyone had to travel to his own ancestral hometown to be accounted for. So Joseph went from the Galilean town of Nazareth up to...

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There are many cultural dimensions to all that is Christmas. Pick your favorite. I have a few that I look forward to every year. But as I get older, I’m seeing Christmas more as a great time to reflect on my relationship with Jesus. In Luke’s gospel, for example, I’m especially drawn to the mother of Jesus, Mary, and how she reflects upon the birth of her son and all that it means to her, both in the present and the future. There are things we can learn from Mary as she takes time to reflect on this most important event in all of history.  Welcome to You Were Made for This If you...

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In episode 11 last week I mentioned that the first step in improving our relationship skill is to assess the level we are it in our relational development. Knowing our starting point helps us see what how far we have to go to become more skilled in our relationships. It can motivate us to move to higher levels of relational expertise.

Let me run through the four levels real quickly, then we’ll come back and focus the rest of our time on level 2. I hope as we go through these you will see yourself in one of these four stages.

Unconsciously unskilled (U.U.) We don’t have a clue as to how unskilled we are when it comes to relationships. This is what we talked about last week. It’s the most dangerous level of relationship skills. It’s dangerous when we don’t know what we don’t know, because we can cause a lot of harm to people out of sheer ignorance of relational principles.

There can also be a bit of innocence in being unconsciously unskilled in our relationships. Several weeks ago I took my twin grandsons our for breakfast and they started talking about how they were getting along with their 13-year old sister. They were laughing about something they did or said to her. It irritated her, and these almost 17-year-old boys thought she was just over reacting.

I then told them something I learned a long time ago was that unlike guys, most girls generally do not like to be teased. Guys tease each other all the time. It’s a way we connect with each other. Not so with girls. I wasn’t aware of this dynamic when I was their age, I was unconsciously unskilled when it came to relating to girls in this department. It took me a long time to figure this out. The boys looked like they were listening, we’ll see if it translates into new behavior. They’re good kids, I’m hopeful.

Consciously unskilled (C.U.) We’re making mistakes in our relationships with people, and we know it. Things aren’t going well, but we don’t know what to do about it.

Consciously skilled (C.S.) We see how we impact others, for good or ill. We’re aware of our skills and try to put them into practice. We try to get better at them. This is the most encouraging level. We’ll talk about this next week in Episode 13

Unconsciously skilled (U.S.) We’re good at relating well with people, and aren’t even aware of it. We’re not even trying; it’s just part of who we are. This is the most joyful level of relationship skill.


Back now to consciously unskilled. This is where we can tell we are making mistakes in our relationships, but we don’t know what they are. We notice how others have better relationship skills than we do, and wonder how they do what they do. We wish we could be like them. This is the most hopeful level in relational development.

It’s hopeful because when we become aware of our lack of relational expertise it can motivate us to grow and learn the relational skills we lack.

One example that comes to mind is accounting. When I opened my executive recruiting business I learned I had to deal with government reporting, taxes, how to record income and expenses. I didn’t have a clue what to do. I was a history major in college and knew nothing about accounting. I didn’t know anything about business. Never took any kind of business course in college. I was consciously unskilled when it came to accounting.

So I had to find an accountant, someone who could tell me what I didn’t know I needed to know. What was frustrating for me was I didn’t know what questions to ask. It wasn’t until I started making mistakes that I came to understand the questions I needed answered. My consciously unskilled relationship with accounting drove me to learn what I needed to know.

While being consciously unskilled drove me to learn the skills I needed to learn, for some of us it can be quite different. It can become a recognition that I’m quite comfortable with the status quo, thank you very much, and I’m perfectly content with not improving my skill level.

I was at a conference several years ago where a well-known, big name speaker was giving a series of plenary talks. Most of you would recognize his name if I mentioned it. He was truly a gifted and inspiring presenter. My role at this conference was to conduct an optional breakout session in between talks this keynote speaker was giving.

My little talk was on the subject of listening, and to my surprise this big-name speaker sat in on my workshop. When I finished he came up to compliment me on my little spiel, and at the end said to me, “You know, I’m not a very good listener. People tell me that, I’m not a good listener.”

What was surprising to me was how he said it. It was with an air of recognition, with a metaphorical shrug of the shoulders as if to say, that’s just the way I am, a not-a-very-good-listener. He was conscious of his lack of skill in this area, but gave no indication of wanting to improve.

Another time I was talking to a leader of a large ministry and I told him I admired his leadership in one particular area. He accepted my compliment graciously, but then said wistfully, “but I have the tendency to use people.” You could tell this was something he didn’t like about himself, something he’d like to change. There was a tone of regret in his voice.

His response was so unlike the response of the conference speaker. Both of them were consciously unskilled in a particular relational area. But one didn’t seem interested in changing, while the other one did.

I have two other stories that expose how consciously unskilled I was in two relational moments.

  • The missionary at my daughter's church from the Virgin Islands, heading to the Philippines the next day
  • The day my twin grandsons came home from the hospital.

Each of these last two stories show movement from being unconsciously unskilled (level 1) to consciously unskilled (level 2). How does this happen?

We have to put a name to our relational deficiencies so we know what to change. My leader friend put a name to his deficiency, “I tend to use people.” I put a name my shortcomings in the two stories I shared: self-centeredness.

For me, the movement from unconsciously unskilled to consciously unskilled happened in several steps.

  1. Acknowledging that I want to be a kind caring person. It’s the type of human being I want to be. It’s my persona. It’s how I want to view myself. It’s intrinsic to my value system. It’s who I want to be.
  2. Identifying the skill I lacked in a particular relational moment, namely other-centeredness. The skill that takes the spotlight off me in an interaction so it can shine on the other person.
  3. Being open to the Holy Spirt holding up a mirror to me, when I wasn’t even thinking about it, to show me the disconnect between the person I wanted to be, and the person I was in those two interactions.
  4. Resolve to do better. Learn from my mistakes. Ask God to remind me when I’m less than than the person he created me to be and that I want to be.

I wish we could all skip level 2 where we could go directly from being clueless in how we relate to people to level 3 where we’re aware of relational skills we developed and put them into practice. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way.

Results a listener will experience when he/she implements the solution.

By taking these four steps, our life will be so much richer in our relationships. We’ll be able to better monitor ourselves and become the person most of us want to be. We’ll be more inviting and relationally attractive to people if we do the four things I mentioned:

  1. Remind our self of the kind of person we want to be.
  2. Give a name to the relational skill we lack
  3. Ask the Holy Spirit to point out the relational skills we lack, and then to empower us with the relational competence he wants us to have.
  4. Resolve to do better. Be on the lookout for our relational weaknesses

Before I close, here’s the he main take-away from today’s episode, our show in a sentence

To improve our relationship skills, we must first identify our relational deficiencies in light of the person we want to be.

Here’s a way you can respond to today’s show:

Ask the holy Spirit to gently point out your relational flaws, and ask him to empower you with the skills you need to be the person God created you to be.

Coming up next week

Next week in episode 13 we’ll take a look at the next level of relationship skill development, consciously skilled. I’ve been getting some interesting feedback from recent episodes that I want to start sharing. Would love to hear from you about THIS episode and stories of when you were consciously unskilled. and how you dealt with it.

Quote of the Week

Scars remind us of where we have been. They don’t have to dictate where we are going. ~ David Rossi

Resources mentioned in today’s show

Episode 11, Relationship Skills - Level 1