Closet Philosophy
Think it doesn’t matter what you wear? Hosts Jennine Jacob and Kristen Philipkoski uncover the ways your personal style is not just personal. What you choose to wear every day is a political act, whether you’re aware of it or not. And putting thought into your personal style is not superficial, unintelligent, or a waste of time. Along with guests including bestselling authors, scientists, entrepreneurs, and more, the Closet Philosophy podcast explores how what we wear influences and reveals what’s within.
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Ep.. 14: You can’t hate yourself into a body you love: Reclaiming health and power with Oonagh Duncan
07/14/2025
Ep.. 14: You can’t hate yourself into a body you love: Reclaiming health and power with Oonagh Duncan
What if your fitness journey wasn’t about chasing a smaller body—but about feeling strong, energized, and alive? In this empowering episode, we talk to Oonagh Duncan, multi-award-winning fitness expert, bestselling author of Healthy As Fck* (aka Ditch the Diet), and founder of the Feel Good Movement. We dive deep into what it really means to feel good in your body—at any size, at any age—and how fitness can help us reconnect with our power. Oonagh shares her journey from fat activist and actor to fitness leader, and how she’s redefining health for Gen X women and beyond. She breaks down why habits—not willpower—create change, how movement is a form of self-respect, and why no one ever achieved lasting transformation through shame. Whether you’re feeling stuck, struggling with body image, or just ready to feel good again, this episode is for you. Topics We Cover: Why self-hate doesn’t lead to body love Oonagh’s surprising path from fat activism to fitness The myth of willpower—and what actually works Why consistency beats intensity How strength training builds more than muscle—it builds identity Moving through menopause, burnout, and the “I’ve lost myself” feeling The truth about HIIT, cortisol, and over-40 fitness fears How fashion and fitness intersect as tools of empowerment Resources Mentioned:
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Ep. 13: Tattoos, piercings, and style as self-expression with Marie McCarthy
07/07/2025
Ep. 13: Tattoos, piercings, and style as self-expression with Marie McCarthy
💎 Guest: Marie McCarthy Founder of and Piercing & Tattoo In this episode, personal stylist Jennine Jacob and fashion journalist Kristen Philipkoski talk with Marie McCarthy, founder of fine jewelry store Fiat Lux and Rose Gold’s Piercing and Tattoo in San Francisco. Marie shares how jewelry, tattoos, and piercings can be forms of power, rebellion, self-love, and pure fun—especially as we age. We discuss: Why women are getting piercings and tattoos later in life How style is about how you feel, not just how you look Using clothes and accessories as a language to communicate your mood, politics, or power How trends reflect society and why Marie ignores them Her personal style “rules” (hello, black skinny jeans forever) Why accessories are the secret to feeling cool in any outfit Instagram:
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Ep. 12: How clothes spark connection: friendship, vulnerability, and personal style with Danielle Bayard Jackson
07/02/2025
Ep. 12: How clothes spark connection: friendship, vulnerability, and personal style with Danielle Bayard Jackson
In this episode, personal stylist Jennine Jacob and fashion journalist Kristen Philipkoski talk with Danielle Bayard Jackson, friendship coach and author of Fighting for Our Friendships. They explore how what we wear can open the door to meaningful connections—and how friendships shape (and are shaped by) our personal style. Danielle breaks down her three affinities framework—symmetry, support, and secrecy—revealing why women’s friendships are so powerful yet often fragile. She shares how style plays into first impressions and why dressing to express yourself authentically is a form of vulnerability that can actually fast-track finding your people. They discuss: Why women’s friendships dissolve at a higher rate than men’s How wearing something “conversation-worthy” invites connection Why friendships sometimes fade after big life shifts Scripts for repairing friendship missteps The power of showing up as yourself, even if it risks rejection Guest: 👭 Danielle Bayard Jackson – friendship educator, speaker, and author of Fighting for Our Friendships. Find her work at . Listen if you want to: ✨ Feel more confident approaching new people ✨ Understand why friendships sometimes drift ✨ Explore how your style choices impact your social life ✨ Learn practical scripts to navigate common friendship pitfalls
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Ep. 11: Gem app founder Liisa Jokinen on the joy of second hand clothing and documenting personal style around the world
06/23/2025
Ep. 11: Gem app founder Liisa Jokinen on the joy of second hand clothing and documenting personal style around the world
This week on Closet Philosophy, we talk with Finnish street style archivist, photographer, and founder of the Gem app, Liisa Jokinen. Liisa has been documenting what people wear on the street for more than 20 years—and in doing so, she’s built a visual time capsule of personal expression, cultural shifts, and everyday creativity. In this episode, we dig into: How second-hand shopping is freedom How clothing choices offer clues about identity, mood, and values What changed when she moved from Helsinki to New York How she developed the Gem app for vintage and secondhand shopping Why older women are some of the most exciting dressers And how to cultivate your own style voice over time Liisa also shares her philosophy on dressing for yourself, what makes a great outfit, and why individuality—not trends—is the future of fashion. Find Liisa: Street style archivist and founder of Explore her photos: Instagram: , and
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Ep. 10: The power of pattern: Artist Windy Chien on knots, creativity, and control
06/16/2025
Ep. 10: The power of pattern: Artist Windy Chien on knots, creativity, and control
Artist and former Apple exec Windy Chien joins Closet Philosophy this week to talk about how she left a high-profile tech job to follow a totally different thread—literally. Windy became world-renowned for her intricate and sculptural knot work, which she began exploring during her transformative project The Year of Knots. In this conversation, we dive into the parallels between fiber and fashion, the deeper meaning of making things with your hands, and how creativity becomes a form of identity, discipline, and even rebellion. We explore: How tying knots helped Windy reclaim authorship of her life The connection between personal style and artistic voice Why repetition is powerful—and not boring What it means to be a beginner on purpose What she loves about getting older (and no one tells you about) And why constraints can be the key to freedom Windy also shares her take on aging, being a late bloomer, and how we don’t need to retire our style as we get older. Find Windy: Artist & author of See her work: Follow her on Instagram:
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Ep. 9: Style, status, and self-love: A Conversation with stylist, designer, and closet philosopher Wale Sanni
06/09/2025
Ep. 9: Style, status, and self-love: A Conversation with stylist, designer, and closet philosopher Wale Sanni
In this episode of Closet Philosophy, we talk to stylist and luxury handbag designer Wale Sanni about what personal style really means—and it has little to do with what we wear. Wale shares how he went from sneakerhead to Saks stylist, why timeless style is about emotional connection, and how status, self-worth, and fashion are always intertwined. We also dive deep into: Why people say they don’t care about status but they usually do Why quality isn’t just about fabric—it’s about how you care for your clothes The deeper meaning of the Walmart Birkin How self-love is the foundation of great style Plus, Walle shares his take on what three things are actually worth investing in if you want a wardrobe that works and feels meaningful. Find Wale: Stylist & co-founder of Follow him on Instagram & TikTok:
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Fear less: Style, strength, and joy with Manny Martins Carmen
06/02/2025
Fear less: Style, strength, and joy with Manny Martins Carmen
This week, we sit down with the joyful and unapologetically bold influencer Manny Martins Carmen—a 61-year-old model, weightlifter, painter, and accidental content creator who encourages her followers to “age like a rebel.” What started as a creative outlet during COVID has become a movement of radical self-expression, vibrant style, and fearless aging. We talk about dressing up for joy (even if you're just going to the optometrist), the healing power of movement, and how style can shift your mood and the energy of a whole room. Manny also opens up about recovering from a cancer diagnosis, competing in powerlifting, and applying for the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue at 60+. Her message? Your joy is contagious—and it's never too late to be fully, loudly, you. Topics We Cover: Why dressing up when you don’t feel like it is a powerful move How creative disciplines (like graphic design and abstract art) can shape personal style Using fashion as a form of emotional regulation What powerlifting taught Manny after cancer and injury Midlife confidence, visibility, and pushing back against patriarchal beauty standards The design principles behind good outfits—and good paintings The real reason she applied to the Sports Illustrated model search Why wearing a bigger size might be the most liberating thing you do all year Follow Manny: Instagram: list Art account: TikTok & YouTube: @mannymartinscarmen 💌 Subscribe to our for deeper dives, style essays, and behind-the-scenes content! #ClosetPhilosophy #AgeLikeARebel #MannyMartinsCarmen #MidlifeStyle #PowerLiftingOver60 #StyleIsNotNeutral #AgingOutLoud #StyleAsJoy #NotYourDaughterStyle #WearTheSequins
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Is personal style ever truly personal? A deep dive with author and Elle editor Véronique Hyland
05/26/2025
Is personal style ever truly personal? A deep dive with author and Elle editor Véronique Hyland
In this mind-opening conversation, Véronique Hyland—features director at Elle magazine and author of the acclaimed book —helps us unpack the hidden forces shaping how we dress. From the myth of the “female gaze” to the politics of effortlessness, this episode asks big questions about power, gender, class, and whether we can ever truly dress just for ourselves. We explore fashion as communication, resistance, and identity—and why “I don’t care what I wear” is almost always a lie. Plus, we get personal about aging, influence, cringe, and what it means to keep evolving your style in a culture that worships youth. If you've ever stood in front of your closet wondering who you're getting dressed for—this one’s for you. Topics We Cover: How she coined the term “Millennial pink” The commercialization of the female gaze Why effortlessness is its own kind of performance How personal style can be armor—and storytelling The privilege of “not caring” about fashion Why influencers burn out—and what’s changing in that world What fashion can learn from sports The difference between authentic style and aesthetic conformity Her journey from Juicy Couture to ELLE editor—and everything in between Follow Véronique: Instagram: Column: Style Points on Book: (available now) 💌 Subscribe to our for deeper dives, style essays, and behind-the-scenes content. #ClosetPhilosophy #DressCodeBook #VeroniqueHyland #PersonalStyle #FashionPolitics #FemaleGaze #EffortlessStyle #MidlifeFashion #NotInvisible #AgingOutLoud #StyleAsResistance
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Ep. 6: Authenticity as armor: Style, confidence, and career with marketing maven Erin Wallace
05/19/2025
Ep. 6: Authenticity as armor: Style, confidence, and career with marketing maven Erin Wallace
In this deeply honest and empowering episode, we talk to Erin Wallace, head of marketing at and formerly of ThredUp and Crossroads Trading. She’s a fashion marketing powerhouse, creative leader, and style icon in her own right. Erin shares how her personal style became her superpower in the workplace, why she didn’t truly find “her look” until her late 30s, and how fashion helped her step into leadership after a major life transition. We also get real about what happens when your body changes in midlife, why some outfits feel like home and others feel like costumes, and what it means to truly feel like yourself in your clothes. If you’ve ever questioned whether you can be taken seriously while dressing boldly—or felt like your closet was full of pieces for someone you used to be—this one’s for you. We talk about: How style can be a “positive weapon” in your career The link between confidence, clothing, and authenticity What to do when your go-to jeans stop fitting during peri- and post- menopause The internal feeling of knowing when an outfit is “you” Erin’s advice for anyone second-guessing their bold style in a boardroom Her go-to styling tricks (hint: it starts with rolling up your sleeves) Why you should find your own pink plaid suit 💌 Subscribe to our for deeper dives, style essays, and behind-the-scenes content. #ClosetPhilosophy #AuthenticStyle #MidlifeStyle #FashionAndLeadership #MenopauseStyle #SustainableStyle #AgingOutLoud
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Ep. 5: Shira Gill on minimalist style, body changes, and the power of now
05/12/2025
Ep. 5: Shira Gill on minimalist style, body changes, and the power of now
Bestselling author and organizing expert Shira Gill joins us this week. Her work goes far beyond decluttering—Shira believes that organizing is not about perfection, it's about creating space for what actually matters. We talk about: Why most people don’t have an organizing problem—they have a volume problem What to do with clothes that no longer fit but are hard to let go of How to make getting dressed easy and empowering The emotional cost of hanging on to “someday” clothes Why dressing with intention is a form of self-trust and self-respect The myth of “effortless” style—and how to find your own version of it Plus, Shira shares her go-to closet edit tip, how she broke up with uncomfortable jeans, and why your clothes might be saying more than you think. 🎧 Tune in and learn how editing your closet can help you edit your life!
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Ep 4: Making good with Sophia Hall — Thrifting, style, and taking up space
04/12/2025
Ep 4: Making good with Sophia Hall — Thrifting, style, and taking up space
In this episode of Closet Philosophy, we meet Sophia Hall, the vibrant force behind @makegood on Instagram. Sophia is a secondhand style expert who turned childhood thrift store adventures into a thriving online business serving women of all sizes—especially those who often feel ignored by the fashion industry. We talk about: Growing up as the youngest of eight and learning to dress for survival, identity, and joy Why the fashion industry still isn’t cutting it for plus-size folks—and how secondhand can offer freedom and power Sophia’s honest, empathetic approach to styling clients, from measurements to mindset shifts The magic of her Instagram Live sales, where community, confidence, and clothes come together How women of all ages and sizes can reclaim comfort, color, and self-expression—even in a world that tells us to shrink Plus: unexpected styling hacks, Billie Eilish shoutouts, the secret weapon of the men’s section, and why one of her customers once watched a live sale from the front row of a Botticelli concert (yes, really). ✨ Subscribe now so you don’t miss next week’s episode—because we’re just getting started unpacking what style can really do. 💚 Find Sophia on Instagram: 💚 Follow us on Substack: 💚 Join the conversation on Instagram:
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Ep 3: Healing, beauty, and taking up space — Jenn Harper of Cheekbone Beauty on building a brand with a soul
04/12/2025
Ep 3: Healing, beauty, and taking up space — Jenn Harper of Cheekbone Beauty on building a brand with a soul
What if lipstick could change more than your look—what if it could change the narrative? This week on Closet Philosophy, we’re joined by powerhouse founder Jenn Harper, the visionary behind Cheekbone Beauty—one of the first Indigenous-owned beauty brands in North America. Jenn shares how a dream in early sobriety led to a mission-driven brand that’s redefining what beauty means, who it’s for, and what it’s made of. We dive into: The dream that started it all: three laughing Native girls with lip gloss and a spark of possibility How generational trauma—and healing—shaped Jenn’s identity, sobriety, and purpose The power of representation for Indigenous people in the beauty industry Why not knowing your full history doesn’t mean you don’t belong Sustainability beyond buzzwords—what it really means to build a brand with the next seven generations in mind Veganism, cultural nuance, and honoring traditional lifeways The story behind Cheekbone’s stunning lipstick names (spoiler: every shade is a language lesson) And a sneak peek at a powerful red lipstick collab you’ll definitely want on your lips—and in your life Jenn also shares how her Indigenous values shape every decision—from the supply chain to the pigments—and why sustainability, transparency, and community care are non-negotiables. If you’ve ever wondered how to live your values out loud, or how to turn personal pain into world-shifting power, this episode is your roadmap. ✨ Subscribe now so you don’t miss upcoming episodes—and keep an eye out for that red lipstick drop. 💚 Find Cheekbone Beauty on Instagram: 💚 Follow us on Substack: 💚 Join the conversation on Instagram:
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Ep 2: Dressing like you mean it — Heidi Clements (AKA @WelcomeToHeidi) on authenticity, aging, and not giving a damn
04/12/2025
Ep 2: Dressing like you mean it — Heidi Clements (AKA @WelcomeToHeidi) on authenticity, aging, and not giving a damn
What if the coolest girl in the room was 64 and completely unbothered? This week on Closet Philosophy, we’re talking with the one and only Heidi Clements—a writer, content creator, and style icon with 1.8 million followers who has become a voice of radical authenticity for women of every age. Heidi shares how she went from TV writer to unexpected TikTok star in her 60s, why getting dressed is both a political act and a personal therapy session, and how to finally stop dressing for the male gaze—or anyone else’s expectations. We get into: Heidi’s surprising path to online influence (spoiler: it starts with pizza 🍕) Dressing without shame, rules, or apology The myth of the “cool girl” and why being unbothered is the new sexy Why your neck, your stomach rolls, and your closet are not problems to fix Finding your power in midlife—and giving yourself permission to be loud, visible, and real The magic of saying “f*ck off” (lovingly) This is a conversation about more than personal style—it’s about personal freedom. Whether you’re navigating midlife, recovering from people-pleasing, or just want to feel a little braver in your own skin, this episode is for you. 📌 Plus: Heidi’s best accidental outfit formulas, why she films in her bathroom, and what happens when you accidentally flash your... well, just listen. ✨ Subscribe now so you don’t miss next week’s episode—because we’re just getting started unpacking what style can really do. 💚 Find Heidi on Instagram: 💚 Find Heidi on TikTok: 💚 Follow us on Substack: 💚 Join the conversation on Instagram:
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Ep 1: Dressing for power, not permission — Why your closet is a political statement
04/12/2025
Ep 1: Dressing for power, not permission — Why your closet is a political statement
Welcome to Closet Philosophy, the podcast that believes what you wear is never just about clothes. In our preview episode, personal stylist Jennine and fashion writer Kristen share how this podcast was born—from a serendipitous interview to an ongoing conversation about the power of personal style. Together, they unpack why midlife is a moment of transformation, not disappearance—and how clothing can be a tool for confidence, self-expression, and resistance. We dive into: The story behind Closet Philosophy Why dressing powerfully is a political act—especially for women in midlife Jennine’s Venn diagram of Quality, Memorability, and Authenticity A client success story that proves a red suit can change your life Why quiet luxury isn’t always as “aspirational” as it seems The real reason you don’t need a personal shopper—you need personal agency And what AI, tax accountants, and The Jetsons have to do with getting dressed This isn’t a podcast about fashion. It’s a podcast about meaning. About how we show up in the world. And how we take up space—on purpose. ✨ Subscribe now so you don’t miss Episode 1, where we’ll start digging even deeper into the psychology and politics of personal style. 💚 Follow us on Substack: 💚 Join the conversation on Instagram:
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