Between The Lines
Chelle and Leanne are avid readers, mothers, and both work therapeutically with families. We read the books, and share perspectives on how they can add value to your life.
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Ep 55: The Butterfly Women: Melbourne’s Hidden Histories & Murder Mysteries with Madeleine Cleary
09/07/2025
Ep 55: The Butterfly Women: Melbourne’s Hidden Histories & Murder Mysteries with Madeleine Cleary
The Butterfly Women: Melbourne’s Hidden Histories & Murder Mysteries with Madeleine Cleary Step back in time with Chelle and Leanne as they chat with debut author Madeleine Cleary about her captivating historical novel, The Butterfly Women. Set in the shadowy streets of 1863 Melbourne, this story weaves together romance, drama, and a murder mystery—all through the eyes of two unforgettable women: Johanna Callahan, an Irish immigrant working in a brothel, and Harriet Gardner, a determined journalist on the hunt for a serial killer. Madeleine shares the wild ride of researching and writing her book (think: archives, family secrets, and a dash of footy-mum book clubs!), and what it means to shine a light on the complex, gritty, and often overlooked lives of women in 19th-century Australia. In this episode: The real-life family history that inspired The Butterfly Women—and how Madeleine’s infamous ancestor became a character in her novel What it took to research Melbourne’s notorious Little Lon district (spoiler: years of digging through archives and old newspapers!) The challenges and joys of balancing historical accuracy with page-turning storytelling How the book evolved from a quiet literary novel to a full-on murder mystery, complete with red herrings and footy-mum sleuths The power and agency of women—even in the toughest circumstances—and the entrepreneurial spirit of Melbourne’s brothel keepers Madeleine’s writing process, from train commutes to tight deadlines, and her advice for aspiring authors A sneak peek at Madeleine’s next project, inspired by another family mystery Discussion prompt: What’s your favourite historical fiction set in Australia, or a family story you wish someone would turn into a novel? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you love stories that blend real history, complex women, and a good old-fashioned whodunit, The Butterfly Women is a must-read. And keep an eye out for Madeleine’s next book—she’s just getting started!
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Ep 53: By Her Hand: Marion Taffe on Finding Voice and Courage in a Violent World
08/24/2025
Ep 53: By Her Hand: Marion Taffe on Finding Voice and Courage in a Violent World
Episode: By Her Hand: Marion Taffe on Finding Voice and Courage in a Violent World What does it take for a young woman to find her voice in a world determined to silence her? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne sit down with debut author Marion Taffe to explore her powerful historical novel, By Her Hand. Set in the wild, windswept Peak District of Mercia in AD 910, the story follows Freda—a girl who dreams of writing, longs for her father’s approval, and must navigate a world full of danger, loss, and impossible choices. Marion shares her journey from journalism to fiction, the six-year process of bringing Freda’s story to life, and the inspiration she drew from Old English poetry and fierce women of history. This episode is a celebration of women’s courage, the complexity of emotions, and the importance of breaking the rules to find your own voice—on the page and beyond. In this episode: The inspiration behind By Her Hand and the real historical women who helped shape Freda’s character Marion’s transition from a globe-trotting journalist to a debut novelist—and why fiction was her next big leap The painstaking research, rewrites, and pandemic pivots that shaped the novel (plus a cameo from Marion’s kids learning medieval history at home!) How Marion balanced historical accuracy with vivid storytelling, from Old English poetry to the book’s striking cover design by Sandy Cole The emotional journey of Freda: from fear and anger to courage and self-expression Why learning the rules—and then breaking them—is essential for writers and dreamers alike Marion’s advice for anyone struggling to find their voice or push back against expectations Discussion prompt: What’s a “rule” you’ve had to break to be true to yourself? Or, which historical era would you love to see through the eyes of a fierce female character? Join us on Instagram or in the book club to share your thoughts! PS: If you’re drawn to stories of resilience, creativity, and women who fight for their place in the world, By Her Hand is a must-read. Let us know your favorite moments and what resonated with you most!
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Ep 52: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women
08/10/2025
Ep 52: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women
Between The Lines – Episode: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women What happens when three women—each with their own secrets, struggles, and cultural backgrounds—form an unlikely alliance over coffee, cocktails, and confessions? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne chat with Saman Shad about her bold, witty, and refreshingly honest novel, The Sex Lives of Married Women. Saman, a true “third culture kid,” draws on her globe-spanning experiences to create characters who are as complex as they are relatable. Together, they explore the messy realities of marriage, motherhood, and friendship—plus the power of open, honest conversations about intimacy and pleasure. In this episode: The story behind The Sex Lives of Married Women and why Saman wanted to write about female friendship and vulnerability What it means to be a third culture kid—and how that shapes relationships, identity, and storytelling Navigating cultural dynamics in modern marriages and friendships The challenges (and importance!) of writing about sex, pleasure, and real intimacy in long-term relationships How modern communication tools like WhatsApp and LinkedIn make their way into fiction—and real life Why female friendships matter, and how honesty, humor, and support can get us through even the toughest times Saman’s hopes for the book to inspire readers to have braver, more open conversations—about sex, relationships, and everything in between. Discussion prompt: Has a friendship ever helped you see your relationship or yourself in a new light? Or, what’s a conversation you wish women could have more openly? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you’re looking for a read that’s equal parts hilarious, heartfelt, and honest, The Sex Lives of Married Women should be at the top of your pile. And if you love supporting Australian authors, grab a copy and pass it on!
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Ep 51: Turning Toward the Tough Stuff: Dr. Emily Musgrove on Getting Unstuck
07/27/2025
Ep 51: Turning Toward the Tough Stuff: Dr. Emily Musgrove on Getting Unstuck
Between The Lines – Episode: Unstuck with Dr. Emily Musgrove Ever feel like you’re spinning your wheels—stuck in the same old patterns, wishing for change but not sure where to start? This episode is for you! 🎧 Leanne and Chelle sit down with Dr. Emily Musgrove, clinical psychologist and author of “Unstuck,” to unpack practical, relatable strategies for moving through life’s challenges (without the jargon!). Dr. Emily brings warmth, wisdom, and a refreshing honesty about what it really takes to live by your values—even when life gets messy. In this episode: Why pain is a universal part of being human—and how resisting it can keep us stuck How to use your values as a compass, not a checklist The real reason change feels so hard (spoiler: staying stuck can be even harder!) Parenting truths: breaking old patterns, repairing ruptures, and embracing imperfection The power of self-compassion, mindfulness, and making choices that align with what matters most Dr. Emily’s own journey writing “Unstuck” and balancing life as a parent, professional, and author Whether you’re a parent, a therapy-curious listener, or just someone looking for a little hope and practical wisdom, you’ll walk away with new tools—and a reminder that you’re not alone in the hard stuff. ✨ Discussion prompt: What’s one value you want to live by more intentionally this week? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club! Want more? Grab a copy of “Unstuck” and join our Between The Lines Book Club for ongoing conversations about books that move us—and help us move forward.
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Ep 50: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers - John Boyne’s Masterclass in Human Nature
07/13/2025
Ep 50: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers - John Boyne’s Masterclass in Human Nature
Between The Lines – Episode: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers Ever finish a book and just need to talk about it? Multiply that by four, and you’ll get Chelle and Leanne’s reaction to John Boyne’s “The Elements” series! This week, our hosts dive into “Water,” “Earth,” “Fire,” and “Air”—four compact but powerful novellas that weave together stories of crime, guilt, trauma, and redemption. Boyne’s storytelling is masterful: each book stands alone but also connects into a larger, unforgettable tapestry of human experience. The characters—a mother on the run, a rising soccer star, a surgeon with secrets, and a father on a journey of transformation—are complex, flawed, and oh-so-relatable. The result? A reading experience that’s both disturbing and deeply moving. In this episode: The unique structure of “The Elements” series and how each novella brings a new perspective Why Boyne’s approach to responsibility and redemption feels so real (and sometimes hits a little too close to home) How the books challenge our ideas of good, bad, judgment, and compassion The emotional rollercoaster of connecting with characters who make questionable choices for all-too-human reasons Cliffhangers that will have you reaching for the next book (trust us: buy the whole set!) Why this series is one of Chelle and Leanne’s top recommendations—and the kind of stories that linger long after the last page Discussion prompt: Which element—Water, Earth, Fire, or Air—pulled you in the most? Did you find yourself judging or empathizing with the characters? We’d love to hear your thoughts, reactions, and wildest theories—join the conversation on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you’re ready for a binge-worthy, emotionally rich reading experience, grab all four novellas and let us know which one you couldn’t put down. Spoiler chat is totally encouraged!
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Ep 49: The Let Them Theory: Boundaries, Bold Claims & Being True to You
06/29/2025
Ep 49: The Let Them Theory: Boundaries, Bold Claims & Being True to You
Between The Lines – Episode: Let Them: Boundaries, Bold Claims & Being True to You Ever wish you could care a little less about what others think? This week, Chelle and Leanne dive into Mel Robbins’ buzzy new book, “The Let Them Theory”—a guide that promises to free us from the weight of other people’s opinions (and maybe even our own inner critic). But is it really that simple? Our hosts dig into the heart of the “Let Them” concept, exploring both its empowering message and the nuances that come with it—especially for women who are used to putting everyone else first. In this episode: What the “Let Them” theory is all about—and why it’s taking over Instagram The good, the bold, and the controversial: from self-acceptance to plagiarism rumors Cultural differences—does “letting them” look different in Australia vs. the US? How to set boundaries without building walls (especially if you have a trauma history) Real talk about self-help claims: can two words really change your life? Chelle and Leanne’s personal stories of trying out the “Let Them” mindset in everyday life Why the book might be extra helpful (or a little tricky) for women who carry the emotional load A little food for thought: Is “letting them” always the answer, or do some situations call for speaking up and staying connected? Chelle and Leanne don’t shy away from the tough questions—and they want to hear your take! ✨ Discussion prompt: When have you had to “let them”—and how did it feel? Share your story with us on Instagram! PS: Got thoughts on Mel Robbins’ other books, like “The Five Second Rule”? Or want us to invite her on the pod? Let us know—your feedback shapes our next reads and guest wish list!
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Ep 48: The Stitch Up: Unpacking Kate Solly’s Paradise Heights Tale
06/15/2025
Ep 48: The Stitch Up: Unpacking Kate Solly’s Paradise Heights Tale
Between The Lines – Episode: Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up with Kate Solly What happens when a mother of three, a missing charity store item, and a tight-knit Melbourne community collide? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne welcome back Kate Solly to chat about her latest novel, Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up—a story brimming with humor, heart, and a dash of mystery. Kate takes us behind the scenes of Fleck’s world: a mum who feels invisible, yet uses that very invisibility as her detective superpower. Together, we explore how motherhood, neurodivergence, and community all shape Fleck’s journey—and why the bonds between women matter more than ever. In this episode: Why feeling invisible as a mum can actually be an advantage (and a detective’s secret weapon!) The joy and chaos of balancing writing with motherhood, and how everyday moments spark creativity Honest, positive representation of neurodivergence through Fleck and Trixie’s friendship The importance of community, belonging, and the volunteers who keep the craft store running Real-life inspirations from Melbourne’s suburbs and why setting matters in storytelling Kate’s candid reflections on ADHD, writing routines, and the power of small steps Favorite moments, laugh-out-loud lines, and why “cahoots” might just be the best word ever Discussion prompt: Have you ever felt invisible—or unexpectedly powerful—in your own community? What’s one small act of kindness or connection that made a difference for you? Share your story with us on Instagram or in the book club! PS: If you love books that celebrate friendship, neurodivergent joy, and the magic of everyday life, Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up belongs on your TBR pile. Let us know your favorite character or moment—we love hearing from you!
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Ep 47: Healing Through Words: Rachael Coopes on 'The Art of Forgiveness
06/01/2025
Ep 47: Healing Through Words: Rachael Coopes on 'The Art of Forgiveness
Guest: Rachael Coopes *Interviewed by Chelle Griffin* Episode Highlights: Introduction to Rachael Coopes: Award-winning actress, writer, and presenter known for her work on Australian television and theater Career Journey: Rachael discusses her path from early acting roles to becoming a multifaceted creative professional Writing Process: Insights into how Rachael approaches scriptwriting and storytelling across different mediums Industry Challenges: Honest conversation about navigating the entertainment industry and overcoming obstacles Current Projects: Discussion of Rachael's latest work and upcoming productions Creative Inspiration: Rachael shares what drives her creativity and where she finds inspiration Advice for Aspiring Creatives: Practical tips for those looking to break into acting and writing
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Ep 46: Five Seasons in Seoul: A Journey Through Culture and Connection with Christine Newell
05/18/2025
Ep 46: Five Seasons in Seoul: A Journey Through Culture and Connection with Christine Newell
In this inspiring episode, we chat with author Christine Newell about her beautiful memoir, Five Seasons in Seoul, which chronicles her transformative year living and teaching in South Korea. Christine opens up about the personal challenges that led her to seek a fresh start, her deep cultural immersion, and the powerful impact of Korean traditions—especially the symbolic “five seasons” shaped by Yin and Yang philosophy. She shares how community, kindness, and resilience helped her find healing, purpose, and creative spark. We also explore the emotional journey of writing a memoir, the vulnerability of putting your story on the page, and the surprising ways her time in Seoul has shaped her life and career back in Australia. In this episode, you’ll hear about: Why Christine went to South Korea—and how it changed her The meaning behind “Five Seasons” and how it shaped her year abroad Cultural rituals, food, and unexpected moments of connection Grief, growth, and resilience while living far from home The process of writing a memoir and what it’s meant to readers Her love of Korean dramas, memoir recommendations, and what’s next on her travel list Books Christine recommends: 📚 Breaking Badly by Georgie Dent 📚 True Friends by Patti Miller 📚 Bewildered by Laura Waters Where to find Christine’s book: Five Seasons in Seoul is available at most bookstores and online.
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Ep 45: Bridesmaids, Boundaries, and Being Yourself with Rachael Johns
05/04/2025
Ep 45: Bridesmaids, Boundaries, and Being Yourself with Rachael Johns
Episode Title: Rachael Johns: The Bad Bridesmaid and the Love of Books Guest: Rachael Johns, Australian Romance Author Key Highlights: Discussion of Rachael's latest book "The Bad Bridesmaid" Insights into her writing process and inspiration Exploration of her love for books and libraries Episode Breakdown: Book Overview Main character: Winnefren (Fred) Darling Setting: Norfolk Island Plot: Fred tries to stop her mother's sixth wedding Inspired by "The Parent Trap" movie concept Writing Journey Started writing at 17 Former English teacher Known as the "Undisputed Queen of Australian Women's Fiction" Book Series Connection Linked to previous book "The Other Bridget" Features characters from the library where Fred works Rachael's Book Club 6,500 members on Facebook Monthly book discussions Annual in-person retreats Focuses on supporting Australian and women writers Personal Insights Loves audiobooks Passionate about libraries and librarian representation Enjoys traveling to research book settings Recommended For: Romance readers, book lovers, fans of Australian fiction Contact/Follow: Website: RachaelJohns.com Facebook: Rachael Johns Book Club Book Club Retreat:
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Ep 44: Letting Go: A Deep Dive into Living Untethered by Michael A Singer
04/20/2025
Ep 44: Letting Go: A Deep Dive into Living Untethered by Michael A Singer
Podcast Show Notes: Living Untethered with Michael A. Singer Episode Highlights: Book: Living Untethered: Beyond the Human Predicament Author: Michael A. Singer (New York Times bestselling author) Key Themes: Inner peace, self-realization, mindfulness, and personal growth Episode Overview: Hosts Leanne and Shel dive deep into Michael Singer's latest book, exploring profound insights about: Understanding the universe's complexity Separating oneself from thoughts Practicing meditation and awareness Accepting life's inherent suffering Techniques for personal transformation Notable Quotes: "Resistance creates tension and anxiety, and makes life a burden." "The Spirit can end up hiding in the head if living in the heart is too confronting." "All of life is suffering" - Buddha Practical Takeaways: Start with "low hanging fruit" when practicing letting go Use meditation to create distance from your thoughts Practice being present in the moment Recognize that external things don't define your happiness Recommended Companion Resource: The Untethered Soul Guided Journal: Practices to Journey Beyond Yourself Upcoming Book Club Selections: Current: The Bee Sting (Join by end of May) Next: Dear Digital, We Need to Talk Connect:
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Ep 43: Rebels with Reading Glasses: Clare Pooley on Aging Disgracefully
04/06/2025
Ep 43: Rebels with Reading Glasses: Clare Pooley on Aging Disgracefully
Podcast Episode: How to Age Disgracefully with Claire Pooley Guest: Claire Pooley, author of "How to Age Disgracefully", "The Authenticity Project", and "People on Platform Five" Episode Highlights: Discussion of Claire's latest novel "How to Age Disgracefully" Exploration of multi-generational connections and community Insights into writing, aging, and finding purpose Key Themes: Breaking stereotypes about aging The importance of community and human connection Humor as a tool for addressing challenging life experiences Book Recommendations: "Margot" by Ruthie Thorpe "The Wedding People" "What Does It Feel Like?" by Sophie Kinsella Claire's Writing Insights: Writes most creatively in early morning Believes in the power of a "triumphant second act" Passionate about challenging ageism and celebrating wisdom Memorable Quote: "Every woman should have a triumphant second act." About the Author: Claire Pooley is a former advertising professional who published her first novel at 50, celebrating diverse characters and unlikely communities in her writing.
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Ep 42: Work, Travel, Thrive: Designing a Bleisure Life with Emma Lovell
03/23/2025
Ep 42: Work, Travel, Thrive: Designing a Bleisure Life with Emma Lovell
In this episode, Emma Lovell discusses her book "The Art of Pleasure" and shares insights on combining work, leisure, and self-care to create a fulfilling lifestyle. Key Highlights: Emma's philosophy of "pleasure life" - traveling the world, making money, and living life on your own terms Strategies for blending business and leisure Importance of work-life harmony over work-life balance Travel experiences and goals (76 countries visited) Practical tips for incorporating more pleasure into daily life Notable Quotes: "It's not about waiting until everything is perfect to live your dream life" "Pleasure is a mindset and a lifestyle, not just a destination" Guest Bio: Emma Lovell is an author, speaker, and coach specializing in helping people design lives that combine work, travel, and personal fulfillment. She has visited 76 countries and continues to explore the world while running her business. Upcoming Travel Plans: Central America trip European tour including Finland, Portugal, and potentially Bulgaria Panama Canal cruise Recommended for listeners interested in: Travel hacking Lifestyle design Work-life integration Personal development
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Ep 41: Sisters in Grief: Navigating Loss and Love in Blue Sisters
03/10/2025
Ep 41: Sisters in Grief: Navigating Loss and Love in Blue Sisters
In this episode, Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into Blue Sisters by Coco Mellors - a raw, layered novel about estranged siblings reunited by grief. Following the death of their sister Nikki, Avery, Bonnie, and Lucky return to their childhood home and are forced to confront the complicated ties that bind them. Told from alternating perspectives, Blue Sisters explores themes of identity, sisterhood, and the legacy of family. Leanne and Chelle unpack the emotional weight of the book, share their thoughts on the characters’ extreme lives and inner worlds, and reflect on how relatable the story may be for readers with (or without) sisters of their own. Despite mixed reviews from readers and book club members, both hosts recommend the novel for its compelling storytelling and honest look at love, loss, and healing. In this episode, you’ll hear about: The power and complexity of sisterhood Each sister’s unique journey—addiction, ambition, and grief Family roles, parental influence, and the burden of birth order Romance, resilience, and reinventing yourself after loss Why this book sparks mixed reactions—and why it’s still worth the read Movie adaptation potential (and their dream cast picks!) 📖 Blue Sisters is a page-turner with emotional depth—perfect for fans of character-driven family dramas. Let us know what you think! Join the conversation on Instagram or in our online book club.
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BONUS Episode: Autumn Reading Pile
03/03/2025
BONUS Episode: Autumn Reading Pile
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Ep 40: Get Rich Lucky B****!
02/24/2025
Ep 40: Get Rich Lucky B****!
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Ep 39: Sandwich, the meal and the generation.
02/10/2025
Ep 39: Sandwich, the meal and the generation.
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Ep 38: Pictures of You with Emma Grey
01/26/2025
Ep 38: Pictures of You with Emma Grey
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Ep 37: Women Living Deliciously
01/13/2025
Ep 37: Women Living Deliciously
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Ep 36: All that's left unsaid
12/29/2024
Ep 36: All that's left unsaid
Unraveling "All That's Left Unsaid" with Tracey Lien Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Episode Overview: In this episode, Leanne and Chelle delve into "All That's Left Unsaid" by Tracey Lien, a poignant debut novel exploring themes of family, cultural identity, and the aftermath of tragedy. Set in 1996 Cabramatta, the story follows Ki Tran as she returns home to uncover the truth behind her brother's murder. The hosts discuss the book's exploration of Vietnamese Australian culture, the complexities of family obligations, and the struggle to reconcile past and present. Key Discussion Points: Introduction to Tracey Lien and the Book: Introduction of Tracey Lien's debut novel, "All That's Left Unsaid." Background on Tracey Lien, her upbringing in southwestern Sydney, and her career. Book Synopsis: Overview of the plot centered on Ki Tran's quest to understand her brother Denny's murder. The novel's setting in Cabramatta, highlighting the cultural and historical context. Themes and Cultural Exploration: The portrayal of Vietnamese Australian culture and the immigrant experience. Discussion on the cultural pressures and ideals faced by first-generation immigrants. Character Dynamics and Storytelling: Ki Tran's journey as she navigates family dynamics and cultural expectations. The novel's structure, alternating between Ki's perspective and those of the witnesses. Personal Reflections and Relatability: Chelle's personal connections to the Vietnamese Australian community and cultural nuances. Leanne's reflections on the nostalgia and cultural references from the 1990s. Mystery and Unraveling the Past: The book's mystery element as Ki seeks to uncover the truth behind her brother's death. Exploration of themes like guilt, responsibility, and the quest for meaning. Cultural Identity and Generational Tensions: The struggle between embracing new cultural identities and honoring traditional values. The impact of historical events on the characters' lives and choices. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts express their admiration for Tracey Lien's storytelling and cultural insights. Recommendation for readers interested in exploring diverse cultural narratives and family dynamics. Encouragement for listeners to read the book and engage with its themes.
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Ep 35: The New Angel Messages with Shunanda Scott
12/15/2024
Ep 35: The New Angel Messages with Shunanda Scott
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Ep 34: Summer Reading Pile (for your TBR)
12/02/2024
Ep 34: Summer Reading Pile (for your TBR)
Episode Title: Summer Reading Pile Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into their summer reading lists, sharing the books they're excited to explore in the coming months. They discuss both fiction and non-fiction selections, highlighting the themes and stories that have captured their interest. The conversation reflects the anticipation and joy of discovering new books and the shared experience of reading alongside their listeners. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Excitement for Summer Reading: Leanne and Chelle express their excitement for discussing their upcoming reads and the joy of having a "to be read" pile. Summer Book Club Selections: The hosts introduce the summer book club picks: "Bright Shining" by Julia Baird and "Cactus Pear for My Beloved" by Samah Sabawi, discussing the themes of grace and courage. Fiction Picks: Leanne shares her interest in "Juice" by Tim Winton and "The Other Bridget" by Rachel Johns, while Chelle highlights "Rapture" by Emily Maguire and "Wing" by . Non-Fiction Picks: Leanne plans to read "You Don't Have to Have a Dream" by Tim Minchin, while Chelle chooses "The Art of Bleisure" by Emma Lovell and "Recipe Tin Eats: Tonight" by Nagi Mayashi. Discussion on Book Themes and Anticipation: The hosts reflect on the themes of their chosen books, such as environmental activism, personal growth, and the intertwining of pleasure and work. Book Club and Reading Community: Leanne and Chelle discuss the value of their book club community, the upcoming author interviews, and the joy of sharing reading experiences with others. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts encourage listeners to join their book club and consider gifting a membership for the holidays. They express their excitement for the upcoming reading season and the opportunity to connect with listeners through shared literary journeys. Closing Remarks: Leanne and Chelle thank their audience for tuning in, wish everyone happy holidays, and look forward to the discussions and discoveries that the summer reading pile will bring.
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Ep 33: Mary Christmas to all!
11/18/2024
Ep 33: Mary Christmas to all!
Episode Title: A Romantic Journey with "Mary Christmas" Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Guest: Mary Anne O'Connor Episode Overview: In this episode, Leanne and Chelle welcome Mary Anne O'Connor, author of "Mary Christmas," a romance novel set in 1909 in the picturesque Cotswolds. The story follows Mary Richards, a teacher torn between societal expectations and her career aspirations. Through the lens of love and family dynamics, the book explores themes of independence, the suffragette movement, and the courage to defy traditional gender roles. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Book Overview: Introduction of Mary Anne O'Connor and her book "Mary Christmas." Summary of the plot, highlighting Mary Richards' struggle between career and love as her sister Emily's wedding approaches. Mary Anne O'Connor's Background: Mary Anne's career in copywriting and marketing before transitioning to writing fiction and non-fiction. Her personal life in Northern Sydney and how her family influences her writing. Character Development and Historical Context: Discussion on the societal pressures faced by women in 1909 and the inspiration from Mary Anne's previous novel, "Sisters of Freedom." Emphasis on strong, independent female characters and the importance of career and independence. Transition to Writing Romance: Mary Anne's shift from historical fiction to romance, inspired by Christmas movies. The book's focus on a strong female lead and a kind, intellectual male character. Themes and Character Dynamics: Exploration of love and career choice themes, and the dynamics between Mary and Jonathan. Insights into Mary Anne's personal influences, including her family. Family and Romantic Elements: The emotional journey of Mary and her sister Emily, and the significance of family bonds. Personal anecdotes about Mary Anne's family and the influence of her mother. Historical and Modern Relevance: Discussion on the suffragette movement and ongoing gender equality challenges. Mary Anne's emphasis on supporting each other and challenging outdated gender roles. Romance and Real-Life Influences: The portrayal of genuine, thoughtful relationships in the book. The importance of mutual respect and support in romantic narratives. Emotional Impact and Reader Engagement: The book's aim to create an immersive experience through vivid descriptions of Christmas markets and bookshops. Strong, relatable characters that resonate with readers. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The book is available for purchase on Amazon and other platforms, making it a perfect Christmas gift. Mary Anne shares her pride in the book and hopes readers will connect with the characters. The episode concludes with gratitude for the discussion and a wish for a Merry Christmas to listeners. Resources Mentioned: Book: "Mary Christmas" by Mary Anne O'Connor Previous Work: "Sisters of Freedom" by Mary Anne O'Connor
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Ep 32: The Courage to be Disliked
11/03/2024
Ep 32: The Courage to be Disliked
Episode Title: Exploring "The Courage to Be Disliked" Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Episode Overview: In this episode, Leanne and Chelle dive into "The Courage to Be Disliked" by Fumitake Koga and Ichiro Kishimi. This book explores Alfred Adler's psychological theories, focusing on themes such as self-determination, social interest, and the courage to be disliked. The hosts discuss how past experiences shape us through the meanings we assign to them and highlight the concept of true happiness stemming from contributing to others. Key Discussion Points: Introduction to the Book: Leanne introduces "The Courage to Be Disliked," discussing its challenges and its foundation in Alfred Adler's psychology. Language and Respect: A conversation on the importance of language learning and respect, sparked by Leanne's experience with Japanese homework. Book's Premise and Style: The book's use of Adler's theories for personal growth and its conversational style, compared to "Conversations with God." Main Themes: Self-determination, social interest, and the courage to be disliked. The transient nature of relationships and contribution to happiness. Living for oneself and overcoming the tendency to please others. Practical Application: The significance of self-reflection and emotional work. The concept of horizontal relationships in parenting. Recommendations: Audiobook Suggestion: Leanne and Chelle recommend the audiobook version for its engaging conversational style. Further Reading: Interest in Fumitake Koga's other work, "The Courage to Be Happy." Final Thoughts: The hosts express their appreciation for the book's practical insights and invite listeners to share their thoughts and book recommendations.
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Ep 31: The Last Love Note
10/20/2024
Ep 31: The Last Love Note
Navigating Grief and Hope with "The Last Love Note" Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Guest: Emma Grey Episode Overview: In this heartfelt episode, Leanne and Chelle welcome Emma Grey, author of "The Last Love Note." The book delves into themes of grief and loss, drawing from Emma's personal experiences of losing her daughter and husband. Through the story of Kate, a grieving mother, the book explores the duality of sorrow and humor, and the journey towards hope. Emma shares her writing process, the therapeutic power of storytelling, and the importance of community support in times of grief. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background of Emma Grey: Introduction of Emma Grey and her book "The Last Love Note." Emma discusses her personal journey through grief and the shared experiences of loss. Emma Grey's Writing Journey: The cathartic process of writing to understand and help others with their grief. Emma's background in writing, including young adult novels and non-fiction. Themes and Structure of "The Last Love Note": Overview of the plot, focusing on Kate's struggles with grief and her journey. The balance between grief and humor, with anecdotes from Emma's life. Grief, Humor, and Hope in the Book: Emma's insights on the coexistence of grief and humor. The importance of lifting readers with hope amidst the portrayal of loss. Accepting Help and Support: The role of community and accepting help during times of grief. Personal stories of unexpected support and the concept of paying it forward. The Role of Pop Culture and Nostalgia: How pop culture references add relatability and nostalgia to the book. The use of these references as anchor points to engage readers. A Day in the Life of Emma Grey: Emma's daily routine and her work on various projects. Her writing process, focusing on intense drafting and collaboration with editors. Connecting with Readers: Emma's love for audiobooks and the magic of storytelling. The importance of connecting with readers and the impact of her work. Balancing Grief and Parenting: The challenge of managing personal grief while parenting. Emma's journey of resilience and hope as she enters her 50s. Final Thoughts and Future Plans: Emma shares her excitement for her upcoming book and future projects. The hosts express their admiration for Emma and the profound impact of her book. A desire to have Emma back for future discussions and well wishes for her endeavors. Resources Mentioned: Book: "The Last Love Note" by Emma Grey
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Ep 30: Hannah Diviney lets herself in
10/06/2024
Ep 30: Hannah Diviney lets herself in
Episode Title: I'll Let Myself In Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into the powerful and inspiring book "I'll Let Myself In" by Hannah Diviney, a leading disability and women's rights advocate based in Sydney. Diviney, who has cerebral palsy, shares her journey of self-discovery and advocacy, shedding light on the lack of representation of disabled characters in mainstream media and the challenges faced by individuals with disabilities. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background: Leanne and Chelle introduce themselves, highlighting their professional backgrounds in child psychology and gestalt psychotherapy, respectively. They set the stage for discussing books that promote self-awareness, practical parenting, and understanding children. About Hannah Diviney: The hosts delve into Hannah's impressive achievements, including co-founding Missing Perspectives and advocating for a disabled Disney princess. Her book, "I'll Let Myself In," is praised for its defiant coming-of-age narrative and its call for representation and inclusion. Initial Impressions: Both hosts express admiration for Hannah's articulate and humorous writing style, discussing the importance of inclusive language and representation in media. Personal Experiences and Advocacy: The conversation covers Hannah's personal experiences with cerebral palsy, her determination to create her own representation, and her broader advocacy efforts. Challenges and Representation: Leanne and Chelle discuss the lack of disabled characters in mainstream media and the impact of representation on young people, emphasizing the need for awareness and education. Humor and Sensitivity: The hosts reflect on the evolution of humor and the importance of being mindful of the impact of words and actions. Calling Out and Awareness: They discuss Hannah's call-out of Lizzo for using ableist language, highlighting the role of advocates in raising awareness and modeling appropriate responses. Personal Reflections: Chelle shares a personal story about her daughter with cerebral palsy, underlining the emotional impact of ableist language and the importance of having a voice to address it. Hannah's Writing Style: The hosts appreciate Hannah's narration of her own book, adding a personal touch and enhancing the storytelling experience. Recommendations and Final Thoughts: Leanne and Chelle recommend "I'll Let Myself In" for its engaging narrative and its broader implications for understanding and inclusion, concluding with a call for more diverse perspectives in media.
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Ep 29: Green light for Green Dot
09/22/2024
Ep 29: Green light for Green Dot
Episode Title: Green Dot Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin discuss "Green Dot" by Madeleine Gray, a book that delves into the complexities of adulthood and relationships. The story follows Hera, a 24-year-old moderating online comments, who enters an affair with a middle-aged journalist, Arthur. The book is praised for its dark humor, relatable characters, and well-written prose. Leanne and Chelle reflect on themes of infidelity, the allure of the unattainable, and the challenges of navigating relationships, while also discussing the importance of supporting friends without being overly judgmental. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Participant Backgrounds: Leanne introduces herself as a child psychologist specializing in neurodivergent children, and Chelle introduces herself as a gestalt psychotherapist and intuitive guide. They welcome listeners and introduce the book "Green Dot" by Madeleine Gray. Summary and Initial Impressions: Chelle provides a summary of the book, describing it as a darkly hilarious and deeply felt examination of adulthood and the 21st century. Both hosts appreciate the book's humor and relatability, particularly in its portrayal of young adulthood. Themes of Relatability and Age Gap: Leanne and Chelle discuss the book's themes, including the sense of awkwardness and the desire to fit in. They share personal anecdotes about workplace interactions and the awkwardness of young adulthood. Exploring the Theme of Infidelity: The hosts explore the book's portrayal of infidelity and the complexities of Hera and Arthur's relationship. They discuss the allure of the unattainable and the portrayal of age gaps and power dynamics. Friendship and Support in the Book: Leanne and Chelle discuss the role of Hera's friends and the importance of supporting friends without judgment. They emphasize creating a safe space for friends to express themselves and make their own decisions. Reflections on Parental Relationships: The hosts discuss Hera's relationship with her father, noting the emotional connection despite a lack of communication. They reflect on the search for meaningful connections and the voids in relationships. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: Leanne and Chelle express their enjoyment of the book and its punchy storytelling. They recommend "Green Dot" for its quick read and thoughtful exploration of modern dilemmas, inviting listeners to share their thoughts and connect on social media.
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Ep 28: Ending Body Burnout
09/08/2024
Ep 28: Ending Body Burnout
Episode Title: Ending Body Burnout Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Guest: Philippa Bellette Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin are joined by Philippa Bellette to discuss her book "Ending Body Burnout," which explores the causes and solutions for body burnout in high-achieving women. Philippa emphasizes the importance of addressing stress, nutrition, sleep, movement, and mind health, highlighting the concept of a "stress bucket" and the need to balance recovery with stress reduction. She shares her personal journey and the stories of three fictional women to illustrate common health issues and solutions. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background: Leanne and Chelle introduce Philippa Bellette, co-founder of Chris and Philly Functional Medicine, and her book "Ending Body Burnout," which focuses on energy, mood, gut, and inflammatory issues, aiming to help high-achieving women restore their bodies without feeling restricted. Key Themes and Insights: The hosts discuss the importance of not aiming for perfection, with Philippa emphasizing unique dietary needs and the struggle with perfectionism. They highlight a statistic indicating work-life conflict among mothers and the breaking point leading to exhaustion. Personal Experiences and Stress Management: Philippa shares her personal experience of feeling like an 80-year-old in her late 20s and 30s, discussing the "stress bucket" concept and how stress manifests at home. Leanne and Chelle relate to stress accumulation and its impact on family life. Holistic Approach to Health: Philippa explains the book's balance between practical advice and scientific explanations, emphasizing addressing all aspects of the body for holistic health. The hosts appreciate the relatable stories and manageable health concepts. The Role of the Mind in Health: Philippa discusses unconscious core beliefs driving burnout, using her experience of feeling weak and incapable. The book helps readers reprogram these beliefs for a healthier mindset, addressing both physical and mental health. Practical Tools and Strategies: Philippa introduces "if-then" planning for anticipating health obstacles and emphasizes taking responsibility for health. Leanne and Chelle share experiences with sustainable health changes, focusing on minimum effort for maximum results. Recommended Resources and Final Thoughts: Philippa recommends influential books like "Body Keeps the Score" and "Deep Nutrition," and emphasizes reading novels for relaxation. She concludes by promoting her book and free resources on her website, encouraging exploration. Action Items: Explore the "Ending Body Burnout" assessment on Philippa's website. Check out recommended books such as "Body Keeps the Score" and "The Work" by Lizzie Williamson. Consider trying the vagus nerve toning exercise mentioned.
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BONUS: Spring Reading Pile
09/05/2024
BONUS: Spring Reading Pile
Spring Reading Pile – Embracing New Beginnings Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Episode Overview: In this bonus episode, Leanne and Chelle celebrate the arrival of spring by sharing their spring reading pile. They discuss the books they are excited to read over the next three months, reflecting on how the season of renewal and transformation inspires their literary choices. From personal development to engaging fiction, they explore a diverse range of books that promise to energize and inspire. Key Discussion Points: Welcoming Spring: The hosts express their gratitude for spring, a time of new beginnings and transformation. Discussion on the weather changes in Queensland and the feeling of renewal. Non-Fiction Picks: "One Life: How to Have the Life of Your Dreams" by Tina Tower: A guide to designing and achieving a fulfilling life, inspired by the author's positivity and passion. "Get Rich, Lucky Bitch" by Denise Duffield-Thomas: Focuses on releasing money blocks and living a first-class life, with insights on mindset and affirmations. "Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself" by Dr. Joe Dispenza: Explores the power of the mind to create new realities, combining quantum physics and neuroscience. "How to Be Well: A Handbook for Women" by Dr. Karen Coates and Sharon Kolkka: Discusses balancing busy lives with self-care, relevant to the hosts' current experiences. Fiction Picks: "A Thousand Wasted Sundays" by Victoria Vanstone: A memoir about binge drinking and anxiety, offering humor and insights into new beginnings. "When the Apricots Bloom" by Gina Wilkinson: A novel about friendship and motherhood under dictatorship in Baghdad, exploring themes of trust and sacrifice. "The Bee Sting" by Paul Murray: An epic Irish tragedy-comedy about the Barnes family's struggles, blending humor and poignant storytelling. "Every Time I Go on Vacation Someone Dies" by Catherine Mack: A mystery set on the Amalfi coast, described as "White Lotus meets Only Murders in the Building." Personal Reflections: The hosts share their reading habits and how they balance their busy lives with their love for books. Discussion on the joy of having an endless list of books to read and the privilege of being surrounded by literature. Final Thoughts: A celebration of the season and the excitement of diving into new books. Wishing listeners a happy and fulfilling spring.
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Ep 27: Homecoming by Kate Morton
08/25/2024
Ep 27: Homecoming by Kate Morton
Episode Title: Homecoming Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin explore Kate Morton's novel "Homecoming," an epic narrative that spans generations and delves into themes of motherhood, secrets, and the healing power of truth. Set in 1959 and the present day, the story follows Jess, a journalist investigating a cold case linked to her grandmother Nora's past. Leanne and Chelle discuss Morton's storytelling style, comparing it to works like "Playing Beatie Bow" and "Picnic at Hanging Rock," and praise the book's detailed character development and engaging mystery. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Participant Backgrounds: Leanne introduces herself as a child psychologist and mother of three, while Chelle introduces herself as a gestalt psychotherapist and intuitive guide. They welcome listeners and set the tone for discussing "Homecoming" by Kate Morton. Discussion on Kate Morton's Books: The hosts discuss their experiences with Morton's novels, including "The Lake House" and "The Clockmaker's Daughter," noting the timelessness and mystery elements. They compare Morton's works to other classic stories and appreciate the engaging nature of her lengthy books. Synopsis and Themes of "Homecoming": Leanne reads the synopsis, describing the murder mystery from 1959 and its connection to the present day. The book's exploration of motherhood, secrets, and truth is highlighted, along with its intergenerational impact on family dynamics. Character and Plot Dynamics: The hosts discuss various characters, such as Jess, Nora, Polly, and Isabelle, and the corrosive effects of secrets on relationships. They praise the detailed character development and the book's evocation of a sense of place that enhances the story. Reader Experiences and Recommendations: Leanne and Chelle share their reading experiences, including using the audiobook narrated by Claire Foy. They recommend other books by Kate Morton, such as "The Secret Keeper," and agree on "Homecoming's" appeal for fans of immersive reads. Conclusion and Final Thoughts: The hosts wrap up by expressing their enjoyment of the book and its themes of home and belonging. Leanne suggests "Homecoming" as a great summer read, and both hosts express appreciation for Kate Morton's storytelling.
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