Between The Lines

Chelle and Leanne are avid readers, mothers, and both work therapeutically with families. We read the books, and share perspectives on how they can add value to your life.

Ep 47: Healing Through Words: Rachael Coopes on 'The Art of Forgiveness 06/01/2025

Ep 46: Five Seasons in Seoul: A Journey Through Culture and Connection with Christine Newell 05/18/2025

Ep 45: Bridesmaids, Boundaries, and Being Yourself with Rachael Johns 05/04/2025

Ep 44: Letting Go: A Deep Dive into Living Untethered by Michael A Singer 04/20/2025

Ep 43: Rebels with Reading Glasses: Clare Pooley on Aging Disgracefully 04/06/2025

Ep 42: Work, Travel, Thrive: Designing a Bleisure Life with Emma Lovell 03/23/2025

Ep 41: Sisters in Grief: Navigating Loss and Love in Blue Sisters 03/10/2025

BONUS Episode: Autumn Reading Pile 03/03/2025

Ep 40: Get Rich Lucky B****! 02/24/2025

Ep 39: Sandwich, the meal and the generation. 02/10/2025

Ep 38: Pictures of You with Emma Grey 01/26/2025

Ep 37: Women Living Deliciously 01/13/2025

Ep 36: All that's left unsaid 12/29/2024

Ep 36: All that's left unsaid Unraveling "All That's Left Unsaid" with Tracey Lien Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Episode Overview: In this episode, Leanne and Chelle delve into "All That's Left Unsaid" by Tracey Lien, a poignant debut novel exploring themes of family, cultural identity, and the aftermath of tragedy. Set in 1996 Cabramatta, the story follows Ki Tran as she returns home to uncover the truth behind her brother's murder. The hosts discuss the book's exploration of Vietnamese Australian culture, the complexities of family obligations, and the struggle to reconcile past and present. Key Discussion Points: Introduction to Tracey Lien and the Book: Introduction of Tracey Lien's debut novel, "All That's Left Unsaid." Background on Tracey Lien, her upbringing in southwestern Sydney, and her career. Book Synopsis: Overview of the plot centered on Ki Tran's quest to understand her brother Denny's murder. The novel's setting in Cabramatta, highlighting the cultural and historical context. Themes and Cultural Exploration: The portrayal of Vietnamese Australian culture and the immigrant experience. Discussion on the cultural pressures and ideals faced by first-generation immigrants. Character Dynamics and Storytelling: Ki Tran's journey as she navigates family dynamics and cultural expectations. The novel's structure, alternating between Ki's perspective and those of the witnesses. Personal Reflections and Relatability: Chelle's personal connections to the Vietnamese Australian community and cultural nuances. Leanne's reflections on the nostalgia and cultural references from the 1990s. Mystery and Unraveling the Past: The book's mystery element as Ki seeks to uncover the truth behind her brother's death. Exploration of themes like guilt, responsibility, and the quest for meaning. Cultural Identity and Generational Tensions: The struggle between embracing new cultural identities and honoring traditional values. The impact of historical events on the characters' lives and choices. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts express their admiration for Tracey Lien's storytelling and cultural insights. Recommendation for readers interested in exploring diverse cultural narratives and family dynamics. Encouragement for listeners to read the book and engage with its themes. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/32905297

Ep 35: The New Angel Messages with Shunanda Scott 12/15/2024

Ep 34: Summer Reading Pile (for your TBR) 12/02/2024

Ep 34: Summer Reading Pile (for your TBR) Episode Title: Summer Reading Pile Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into their summer reading lists, sharing the books they're excited to explore in the coming months. They discuss both fiction and non-fiction selections, highlighting the themes and stories that have captured their interest. The conversation reflects the anticipation and joy of discovering new books and the shared experience of reading alongside their listeners. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Excitement for Summer Reading: Leanne and Chelle express their excitement for discussing their upcoming reads and the joy of having a "to be read" pile. Summer Book Club Selections: The hosts introduce the summer book club picks: "Bright Shining" by Julia Baird and "Cactus Pear for My Beloved" by Samah Sabawi, discussing the themes of grace and courage. Fiction Picks: Leanne shares her interest in "Juice" by Tim Winton and "The Other Bridget" by Rachel Johns, while Chelle highlights "Rapture" by Emily Maguire and "Wing" by . Non-Fiction Picks: Leanne plans to read "You Don't Have to Have a Dream" by Tim Minchin, while Chelle chooses "The Art of Bleisure" by Emma Lovell and "Recipe Tin Eats: Tonight" by Nagi Mayashi. Discussion on Book Themes and Anticipation: The hosts reflect on the themes of their chosen books, such as environmental activism, personal growth, and the intertwining of pleasure and work. Book Club and Reading Community: Leanne and Chelle discuss the value of their book club community, the upcoming author interviews, and the joy of sharing reading experiences with others. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts encourage listeners to join their book club and consider gifting a membership for the holidays. They express their excitement for the upcoming reading season and the opportunity to connect with listeners through shared literary journeys. Closing Remarks: Leanne and Chelle thank their audience for tuning in, wish everyone happy holidays, and look forward to the discussions and discoveries that the summer reading pile will bring. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/33760392

Ep 33: Mary Christmas to all! 11/18/2024

Ep 33: Mary Christmas to all! Episode Title: A Romantic Journey with "Mary Christmas" Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Guest: Mary Anne O'Connor Episode Overview: In this episode, Leanne and Chelle welcome Mary Anne O'Connor, author of "Mary Christmas," a romance novel set in 1909 in the picturesque Cotswolds. The story follows Mary Richards, a teacher torn between societal expectations and her career aspirations. Through the lens of love and family dynamics, the book explores themes of independence, the suffragette movement, and the courage to defy traditional gender roles. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Book Overview: Introduction of Mary Anne O'Connor and her book "Mary Christmas." Summary of the plot, highlighting Mary Richards' struggle between career and love as her sister Emily's wedding approaches. Mary Anne O'Connor's Background: Mary Anne's career in copywriting and marketing before transitioning to writing fiction and non-fiction. Her personal life in Northern Sydney and how her family influences her writing. Character Development and Historical Context: Discussion on the societal pressures faced by women in 1909 and the inspiration from Mary Anne's previous novel, "Sisters of Freedom." Emphasis on strong, independent female characters and the importance of career and independence. Transition to Writing Romance: Mary Anne's shift from historical fiction to romance, inspired by Christmas movies. The book's focus on a strong female lead and a kind, intellectual male character. Themes and Character Dynamics: Exploration of love and career choice themes, and the dynamics between Mary and Jonathan. Insights into Mary Anne's personal influences, including her family. Family and Romantic Elements: The emotional journey of Mary and her sister Emily, and the significance of family bonds. Personal anecdotes about Mary Anne's family and the influence of her mother. Historical and Modern Relevance: Discussion on the suffragette movement and ongoing gender equality challenges. Mary Anne's emphasis on supporting each other and challenging outdated gender roles. Romance and Real-Life Influences: The portrayal of genuine, thoughtful relationships in the book. The importance of mutual respect and support in romantic narratives. Emotional Impact and Reader Engagement: The book's aim to create an immersive experience through vivid descriptions of Christmas markets and bookshops. Strong, relatable characters that resonate with readers. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The book is available for purchase on Amazon and other platforms, making it a perfect Christmas gift. Mary Anne shares her pride in the book and hopes readers will connect with the characters. The episode concludes with gratitude for the discussion and a wish for a Merry Christmas to listeners. Resources Mentioned: Book: "Mary Christmas" by Mary Anne O'Connor Previous Work: "Sisters of Freedom" by Mary Anne O'Connor /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/33726582

Ep 32: The Courage to be Disliked 11/03/2024

Ep 31: The Last Love Note 10/20/2024

Ep 31: The Last Love Note Navigating Grief and Hope with "The Last Love Note" Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Guest: Emma Grey Episode Overview: In this heartfelt episode, Leanne and Chelle welcome Emma Grey, author of "The Last Love Note." The book delves into themes of grief and loss, drawing from Emma's personal experiences of losing her daughter and husband. Through the story of Kate, a grieving mother, the book explores the duality of sorrow and humor, and the journey towards hope. Emma shares her writing process, the therapeutic power of storytelling, and the importance of community support in times of grief. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background of Emma Grey: Introduction of Emma Grey and her book "The Last Love Note." Emma discusses her personal journey through grief and the shared experiences of loss. Emma Grey's Writing Journey: The cathartic process of writing to understand and help others with their grief. Emma's background in writing, including young adult novels and non-fiction. Themes and Structure of "The Last Love Note": Overview of the plot, focusing on Kate's struggles with grief and her journey. The balance between grief and humor, with anecdotes from Emma's life. Grief, Humor, and Hope in the Book: Emma's insights on the coexistence of grief and humor. The importance of lifting readers with hope amidst the portrayal of loss. Accepting Help and Support: The role of community and accepting help during times of grief. Personal stories of unexpected support and the concept of paying it forward. The Role of Pop Culture and Nostalgia: How pop culture references add relatability and nostalgia to the book. The use of these references as anchor points to engage readers. A Day in the Life of Emma Grey: Emma's daily routine and her work on various projects. Her writing process, focusing on intense drafting and collaboration with editors. Connecting with Readers: Emma's love for audiobooks and the magic of storytelling. The importance of connecting with readers and the impact of her work. Balancing Grief and Parenting: The challenge of managing personal grief while parenting. Emma's journey of resilience and hope as she enters her 50s. Final Thoughts and Future Plans: Emma shares her excitement for her upcoming book and future projects. The hosts express their admiration for Emma and the profound impact of her book. A desire to have Emma back for future discussions and well wishes for her endeavors. Resources Mentioned: Book: "The Last Love Note" by Emma Grey /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/32902117

Ep 30: Hannah Diviney lets herself in 10/06/2024

Ep 30: Hannah Diviney lets herself in Episode Title: I'll Let Myself In Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into the powerful and inspiring book "I'll Let Myself In" by Hannah Diviney, a leading disability and women's rights advocate based in Sydney. Diviney, who has cerebral palsy, shares her journey of self-discovery and advocacy, shedding light on the lack of representation of disabled characters in mainstream media and the challenges faced by individuals with disabilities. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background: Leanne and Chelle introduce themselves, highlighting their professional backgrounds in child psychology and gestalt psychotherapy, respectively. They set the stage for discussing books that promote self-awareness, practical parenting, and understanding children. About Hannah Diviney: The hosts delve into Hannah's impressive achievements, including co-founding Missing Perspectives and advocating for a disabled Disney princess. Her book, "I'll Let Myself In," is praised for its defiant coming-of-age narrative and its call for representation and inclusion. Initial Impressions: Both hosts express admiration for Hannah's articulate and humorous writing style, discussing the importance of inclusive language and representation in media. Personal Experiences and Advocacy: The conversation covers Hannah's personal experiences with cerebral palsy, her determination to create her own representation, and her broader advocacy efforts. Challenges and Representation: Leanne and Chelle discuss the lack of disabled characters in mainstream media and the impact of representation on young people, emphasizing the need for awareness and education. Humor and Sensitivity: The hosts reflect on the evolution of humor and the importance of being mindful of the impact of words and actions. Calling Out and Awareness: They discuss Hannah's call-out of Lizzo for using ableist language, highlighting the role of advocates in raising awareness and modeling appropriate responses. Personal Reflections: Chelle shares a personal story about her daughter with cerebral palsy, underlining the emotional impact of ableist language and the importance of having a voice to address it. Hannah's Writing Style: The hosts appreciate Hannah's narration of her own book, adding a personal touch and enhancing the storytelling experience. Recommendations and Final Thoughts: Leanne and Chelle recommend "I'll Let Myself In" for its engaging narrative and its broader implications for understanding and inclusion, concluding with a call for more diverse perspectives in media. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/32902087

Ep 29: Green light for Green Dot 09/22/2024

Ep 29: Green light for Green Dot Episode Title: Green Dot Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin discuss "Green Dot" by Madeleine Gray, a book that delves into the complexities of adulthood and relationships. The story follows Hera, a 24-year-old moderating online comments, who enters an affair with a middle-aged journalist, Arthur. The book is praised for its dark humor, relatable characters, and well-written prose. Leanne and Chelle reflect on themes of infidelity, the allure of the unattainable, and the challenges of navigating relationships, while also discussing the importance of supporting friends without being overly judgmental. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Participant Backgrounds: Leanne introduces herself as a child psychologist specializing in neurodivergent children, and Chelle introduces herself as a gestalt psychotherapist and intuitive guide. They welcome listeners and introduce the book "Green Dot" by Madeleine Gray. Summary and Initial Impressions: Chelle provides a summary of the book, describing it as a darkly hilarious and deeply felt examination of adulthood and the 21st century. Both hosts appreciate the book's humor and relatability, particularly in its portrayal of young adulthood. Themes of Relatability and Age Gap: Leanne and Chelle discuss the book's themes, including the sense of awkwardness and the desire to fit in. They share personal anecdotes about workplace interactions and the awkwardness of young adulthood. Exploring the Theme of Infidelity: The hosts explore the book's portrayal of infidelity and the complexities of Hera and Arthur's relationship. They discuss the allure of the unattainable and the portrayal of age gaps and power dynamics. Friendship and Support in the Book: Leanne and Chelle discuss the role of Hera's friends and the importance of supporting friends without judgment. They emphasize creating a safe space for friends to express themselves and make their own decisions. Reflections on Parental Relationships: The hosts discuss Hera's relationship with her father, noting the emotional connection despite a lack of communication. They reflect on the search for meaningful connections and the voids in relationships. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: Leanne and Chelle express their enjoyment of the book and its punchy storytelling. They recommend "Green Dot" for its quick read and thoughtful exploration of modern dilemmas, inviting listeners to share their thoughts and connect on social media. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/32902047

Ep 28: Ending Body Burnout 09/08/2024

Ep 28: Ending Body Burnout Episode Title: Ending Body Burnout Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Guest: Philippa Bellette Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin are joined by Philippa Bellette to discuss her book "Ending Body Burnout," which explores the causes and solutions for body burnout in high-achieving women. Philippa emphasizes the importance of addressing stress, nutrition, sleep, movement, and mind health, highlighting the concept of a "stress bucket" and the need to balance recovery with stress reduction. She shares her personal journey and the stories of three fictional women to illustrate common health issues and solutions. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background: Leanne and Chelle introduce Philippa Bellette, co-founder of Chris and Philly Functional Medicine, and her book "Ending Body Burnout," which focuses on energy, mood, gut, and inflammatory issues, aiming to help high-achieving women restore their bodies without feeling restricted. Key Themes and Insights: The hosts discuss the importance of not aiming for perfection, with Philippa emphasizing unique dietary needs and the struggle with perfectionism. They highlight a statistic indicating work-life conflict among mothers and the breaking point leading to exhaustion. Personal Experiences and Stress Management: Philippa shares her personal experience of feeling like an 80-year-old in her late 20s and 30s, discussing the "stress bucket" concept and how stress manifests at home. Leanne and Chelle relate to stress accumulation and its impact on family life. Holistic Approach to Health: Philippa explains the book's balance between practical advice and scientific explanations, emphasizing addressing all aspects of the body for holistic health. The hosts appreciate the relatable stories and manageable health concepts. The Role of the Mind in Health: Philippa discusses unconscious core beliefs driving burnout, using her experience of feeling weak and incapable. The book helps readers reprogram these beliefs for a healthier mindset, addressing both physical and mental health. Practical Tools and Strategies: Philippa introduces "if-then" planning for anticipating health obstacles and emphasizes taking responsibility for health. Leanne and Chelle share experiences with sustainable health changes, focusing on minimum effort for maximum results. Recommended Resources and Final Thoughts: Philippa recommends influential books like "Body Keeps the Score" and "Deep Nutrition," and emphasizes reading novels for relaxation. She concludes by promoting her book and free resources on her website, encouraging exploration. Action Items: Explore the "Ending Body Burnout" assessment on Philippa's website. Check out recommended books such as "Body Keeps the Score" and "The Work" by Lizzie Williamson. Consider trying the vagus nerve toning exercise mentioned. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/31127383

BONUS: Spring Reading Pile 09/05/2024

BONUS: Spring Reading Pile Spring Reading Pile – Embracing New Beginnings Hosts: Leanne and Chelle Episode Overview: In this bonus episode, Leanne and Chelle celebrate the arrival of spring by sharing their spring reading pile. They discuss the books they are excited to read over the next three months, reflecting on how the season of renewal and transformation inspires their literary choices. From personal development to engaging fiction, they explore a diverse range of books that promise to energize and inspire. Key Discussion Points: Welcoming Spring: The hosts express their gratitude for spring, a time of new beginnings and transformation. Discussion on the weather changes in Queensland and the feeling of renewal. Non-Fiction Picks: "One Life: How to Have the Life of Your Dreams" by Tina Tower: A guide to designing and achieving a fulfilling life, inspired by the author's positivity and passion. "Get Rich, Lucky Bitch" by Denise Duffield-Thomas: Focuses on releasing money blocks and living a first-class life, with insights on mindset and affirmations. "Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself" by Dr. Joe Dispenza: Explores the power of the mind to create new realities, combining quantum physics and neuroscience. "How to Be Well: A Handbook for Women" by Dr. Karen Coates and Sharon Kolkka: Discusses balancing busy lives with self-care, relevant to the hosts' current experiences. Fiction Picks: "A Thousand Wasted Sundays" by Victoria Vanstone: A memoir about binge drinking and anxiety, offering humor and insights into new beginnings. "When the Apricots Bloom" by Gina Wilkinson: A novel about friendship and motherhood under dictatorship in Baghdad, exploring themes of trust and sacrifice. "The Bee Sting" by Paul Murray: An epic Irish tragedy-comedy about the Barnes family's struggles, blending humor and poignant storytelling. "Every Time I Go on Vacation Someone Dies" by Catherine Mack: A mystery set on the Amalfi coast, described as "White Lotus meets Only Murders in the Building." Personal Reflections: The hosts share their reading habits and how they balance their busy lives with their love for books. Discussion on the joy of having an endless list of books to read and the privilege of being surrounded by literature. Final Thoughts: A celebration of the season and the excitement of diving into new books. Wishing listeners a happy and fulfilling spring. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/32905322

Ep 27: Homecoming by Kate Morton 08/25/2024

Ep 27: Homecoming by Kate Morton Episode Title: Homecoming Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin explore Kate Morton's novel "Homecoming," an epic narrative that spans generations and delves into themes of motherhood, secrets, and the healing power of truth. Set in 1959 and the present day, the story follows Jess, a journalist investigating a cold case linked to her grandmother Nora's past. Leanne and Chelle discuss Morton's storytelling style, comparing it to works like "Playing Beatie Bow" and "Picnic at Hanging Rock," and praise the book's detailed character development and engaging mystery. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Participant Backgrounds: Leanne introduces herself as a child psychologist and mother of three, while Chelle introduces herself as a gestalt psychotherapist and intuitive guide. They welcome listeners and set the tone for discussing "Homecoming" by Kate Morton. Discussion on Kate Morton's Books: The hosts discuss their experiences with Morton's novels, including "The Lake House" and "The Clockmaker's Daughter," noting the timelessness and mystery elements. They compare Morton's works to other classic stories and appreciate the engaging nature of her lengthy books. Synopsis and Themes of "Homecoming": Leanne reads the synopsis, describing the murder mystery from 1959 and its connection to the present day. The book's exploration of motherhood, secrets, and truth is highlighted, along with its intergenerational impact on family dynamics. Character and Plot Dynamics: The hosts discuss various characters, such as Jess, Nora, Polly, and Isabelle, and the corrosive effects of secrets on relationships. They praise the detailed character development and the book's evocation of a sense of place that enhances the story. Reader Experiences and Recommendations: Leanne and Chelle share their reading experiences, including using the audiobook narrated by Claire Foy. They recommend other books by Kate Morton, such as "The Secret Keeper," and agree on "Homecoming's" appeal for fans of immersive reads. Conclusion and Final Thoughts: The hosts wrap up by expressing their enjoyment of the book and its themes of home and belonging. Leanne suggests "Homecoming" as a great summer read, and both hosts express appreciation for Kate Morton's storytelling. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/31754993

Ep 26: No time Like The Future 08/11/2024

Ep 26: No time Like The Future Episode Title: No Time Like the Future Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin delve into "No Time Like the Future" by Michael J. Fox, a poignant memoir about resilience and optimism in the face of Parkinson's disease. Diagnosed at 29, Fox has been a vocal advocate for Parkinson's and shares his journey through this new memoir, reflecting on challenges such as a fall that nearly shattered his optimism. Leanne and Chelle discuss the book's insights into the disease's impact, the importance of support, and the value of hope and gratitude, while also exploring the challenges of living with a chronic illness and the significance of understanding and empathy. Key Discussion Points: Introduction to the Book and Michael J. Fox's Background: Leanne introduces "No Time Like the Future," highlighting it as a moving account of resilience and hope by Michael J. Fox, who has been a strong advocate for Parkinson's disease. Personal Connections and Emotional Impact: Leanne shares a personal connection to Parkinson's through her dad, while Chelle emphasizes the emotional impact of the book and the value of understanding and support for those affected by the disease. Insights on Living with Parkinson's: The hosts discuss the challenges of living with Parkinson's, including frustrations and the desire to avoid being a burden, drawing parallels to experiences with other invisible disabilities. Key Takeaways and Personal Reflections: They highlight key takeaways from the book, such as hope, gratitude, and self-acceptance, and the importance of support networks and community in times of adversity. Michael J. Fox's Storytelling and Humor: Leanne praises Fox's storytelling and humor, noting the authenticity and representation of people with disabilities in media. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts emphasize the importance of naming the elephant in the room and fostering curiosity and understanding about Parkinson's, recommending the book for its empathy and insights. Conclusion: Leanne and Chelle conclude by reflecting on the lightness and humor in Fox's storytelling and the positive impact of the book. They encourage listeners to explore the memoir for its valuable perspective on resilience and understanding. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/31754941

Ep 25: Lyrebird Ladies Choir sings Sandie Docker's praises 07/28/2024

Ep 25: Lyrebird Ladies Choir sings Sandie Docker's praises Episode Title: The Lyrebird Lake Ladies Choir Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Guest: Sandie Docker Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin are joined by Australian author Sandie Docker to discuss her sixth book, "The Lyrebird Lake Ladies Choir," set to release on June 18. The novel centers on sisters Eleanor and Maggie, who run a choir, and single mom Hannah, who joins them. Sandie highlights themes of community, belonging, and motherhood, drawing from her own experiences. She also shares insights into her writing journey, including overcoming 200 rejections before her first book's publication in 2018, and her role as founder and director of the Northern Beaches Readers Festival. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background of Sandie Docker: Leanne introduces Sandie, discussing her background, love for reading, and transition to writing. Sandie shares her experiences balancing writing with family life and the release of her sixth book in six years. Sandie's Writing Journey and Achievements: Sandie talks about her first novel, "The CoCo Burrow Creek Cafe," and subsequent books. She discusses her role in the Northern Beaches Readers Festival and the supportive nature of the Australian writing community. Themes and Community in Sandie's Books: The hosts and Sandie explore themes of community, belonging, and hope in her books, influenced by her upbringing in Coffs Harbour. They discuss the importance of small towns and the connections between characters. Exploring Motherhood and Sacrifice: Sandie shares how her personal experiences as a mother influence her portrayal of motherhood, sacrifice, and determination in her books, emphasizing the search for belonging. The Role of Music and Choir in the Book: Sandie explains the therapeutic aspects of music and how the choir theme in "The Lyrebird Lake Ladies Choir" serves as a metaphor for community and support. Challenges and Determination in Writing: Sandie discusses the challenges of getting published, the importance of resilience, and how her persistence serves as a role model for her daughter. Future Plans and Writing Process: Sandie shares her current work on new book ideas, the fast-paced nature of writing and promoting, and the importance of finding balance in the writing process. Favorite Characters and Audiobooks: Sandie expresses her love for all her characters and discusses the casting process for audiobooks, sharing her enjoyment of audiobooks to keep up with reading. Conclusion and Final Thoughts: Leanne and Chelle wrap up the conversation, encouraging listeners to pre-order "The Lyrebird Lake Ladies Choir" and support local independent bookstores. Sandie confirms the availability of the audiobook edition on the same release day as the print and ebook versions. The hosts thank Sandie for joining them and wish her continued success with her book and future projects. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/31754973

Ep 24: Phosphorescence 07/14/2024

Ep 24: Phosphorescence Episode Title: Phosphorescence Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin explore Julia Baird's book "Phosphorescence," which delves into finding light and sustenance in life's darker moments. Baird, a journalist and historian with a PhD in history, is praised for her vivid imagery and understated wisdom. The book emphasizes the importance of nature, self-connection, and community. Leanne and Chelle reflect on how the book resonated during the pandemic, encouraging mindfulness, stillness, and resilience, and recommend it for its practical insights and beauty. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Welcome: Leanne and Chelle introduce themselves and the podcast "Between the Lines," focusing on books' relevance to self-awareness, parenting, and life. They welcome listeners to the discussion of "Phosphorescence" by Julia Baird. Overview of "Phosphorescence" by Julia Baird: The hosts describe the book as a non-fiction work exploring wonder and sustenance in dark times. They highlight Baird's background and her use of the title "Dr" as a testament to her hard work. Personal Reactions to "Phosphorescence": Chelle shares her positive experience reading the book during the pandemic, appreciating its wisdom and writing style. Leanne agrees, noting the book's focus on finding inner light, connecting with nature, and community. Key Quotes and Themes from the Book: Chelle shares a resonant quote about seeking nature, kindness, and authenticity. Leanne discusses the importance of silence and listening to the land, as described by acoustic ecologist Gordon Hempton. Connecting with Nature and Daily Life: The hosts discuss their daily practices of observing nature and the influence of natural changes on daily rhythms. They reflect on the book's encouragement to find awe in nature every day. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: Leanne and Chelle express their enjoyment of the book and recommend it for its practical wisdom. They discuss Baird's upcoming book, "Bright Shining Lie," and its focus on grace, wrapping up with reflections on the book's timing during the pandemic. Action Items: Read Baird's upcoming book "Bright Shining." Share any phosphorescence or bioluminescence sightings on Instagram. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/31754821

Ep 23: Frederick Fife gets into strife 07/01/2024

Ep 23: Frederick Fife gets into strife Episode Title: The Borrowed Life of Frederick Fife Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Guest: Anna Johnston Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin are joined by debut author Anna Johnston to discuss her novel "The Borrowed Life of Frederick Fife." The story centers on 82-year-old Frederick, who, due to a case of mistaken identity, takes the place of cranky Bernard Gray at a nursing home. The novel explores themes of kindness, loneliness, and the value of older individuals. Anna draws inspiration from her personal experiences and her grandfather, who influenced the character of Frederick. The book is set to release on July 2 and will also be available as an audiobook. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Book Synopsis: Leanne introduces the episode and Anna Johnston, while Chelle reads the book's synopsis, highlighting Frederick Fife's unique situation at the Waddle River Nursing Home and the positive reaction from their book club. Anna Johnston's Background: Anna shares her background as an Australian author, her career transition from medicine to aged care, and her role as a social support coordinator in a nursing home, which influenced her writing. Anna's Career Path and Influences: Anna discusses her journey, including her decision to leave medicine, her work in aged care, and the influence of her grandfather, Fred, on her writing. She also shares her love for screenplays, theater, and creative aging. Themes and Character Development: The hosts and Anna explore themes of kindness, invisibility, and connection in the book, emphasizing the underrepresentation of older people in literature and the relatability of Frederick's character. Writing Process and Emotional Connection: Anna describes her writing process, including her diagnosis with ADHD, her love for creative writing, and the emotional investment in her characters. She shares her visual approach to storytelling. Publication and Future Plans: Anna reveals her excitement about the release of her debut novel and her contract for another book. She discusses the challenges of balancing promotion with writing her second book, tentatively titled "Rat Bag." Final Thoughts and Recommendations: The hosts express their admiration for the book and its themes. Anna shares her gratitude for connecting with readers and discusses her future plans, including potential bookstore visits for promotional events. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/31754945

Ep 22: In awe of The Eleventh Floor by Kylie Orr 06/16/2024

Ep 22: In awe of The Eleventh Floor by Kylie Orr Exploring Women's Stories with Kylie Orr Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Guest: Kylie Orr Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin welcome Kylie Orr, author of "Someone Else's Child" and "The 11th Floor." Kylie discusses her novels, focusing on themes of women's safety, motherhood, and the consequences of lies. She highlights the mixed reactions to her protagonist, Gracie Michaels, and reflects on real-life judgments of women's decisions. The conversation covers the importance of motherhood dynamics, societal expectations, and the need for vigilance among women. Kylie also shares insights into her writing process, balancing dark themes with humor, and her upcoming book on coercive control. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Author Background: Leanne and Chelle introduce Kylie Orr, highlighting her novels and interest in exploring the darker side of humanity. Discussion on "The 11th Floor": The hosts discuss the book's themes and the character of Gracie Michaels, noting the mixed reactions from readers and the journey of self-discovery. Character Development and Reader Reactions: The conversation explores how the book challenges readers' judgments and the decision-making processes of new parents. Women's Safety and Responsibility: The hosts and Kylie discuss the themes of women's safety, the responsibility placed on women, and the importance of achieving equality. Motherhood and Identity: Kylie shares insights on the mixed feelings of motherhood, the loss of identity, and the importance of expressing frustrations and struggles. Relationships and Support Systems: The discussion highlights the dynamics of female friendships, support systems, and the importance of mutual boundaries. Writing Process and Themes: Kylie shares her writing process, the importance of editing, and the joy of connecting with readers. Humor and Lightness in Dark Themes: The conversation covers the balance of dark topics with humor and the relief it provides for readers. Upcoming Book and Personal Experiences: Kylie talks about her upcoming book on coercive control, the challenges of writing while raising children, and the importance of humor in her writing process. She shares her love for meeting readers and the joy it brings. Final Thoughts and Future Plans: Kylie humorously discusses her family life and the excitement for her upcoming book's potential adaptation into a TV series or movie. The hosts express their enthusiasm for Kylie's work and encourage listeners to support her books. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/31127333

Ep 21: The House That Holly Ringland Built 06/02/2024

Ep 21: The House That Holly Ringland Built Episode Title: The House That Joy Built Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into "The House That Joy Built" by Holly Ringland. The book explores themes of creativity and overcoming fear, resonating with various forms of creativity beyond writing. Leanne and Chelle discuss how the book impacts their personal lives, emphasizing the importance of doing joyful activities daily. They highlight the value of self-care and mindfulness, noting how engaging in activities that bring joy can improve overall well-being. Both recommend the book for its practical advice and personal anecdotes, encouraging listeners to embrace creativity and self-regulation. Key Discussion Points: Introduction and Background of Participants: Leanne and Chelle introduce themselves and the "Between the Lines" podcast, which focuses on books and their impact on self-awareness, parenting, and life. Discussion on "The House That Joy Built" by Holly Ringland: The hosts introduce the book, noting its non-fiction nature and its theme of breaking through fear to find joy through creativity. Personal Reflections on the Book: Chelle shares her connection to the book as a writer, highlighting its focus on creativity and its raw, honest nature. Leanne reflects on the shift from task-focused creativity to passion-driven creativity. Impact of the Book on Writing and Creativity: The hosts discuss how the book has influenced their writing mindset, making it more joy-driven and authentic, and the importance of writing for oneself. Practical Applications of the Book's Concepts: Leanne and Chelle discuss the book's advice on giving oneself permission to be creative and finding joy in the process, emphasizing small, daily joyful activities. Self-Care and Mindfulness: The hosts share their experiences with self-care practices and how they improve mood and productivity, highlighting self-care as a form of self-regulation. The Role of Play and Creativity: They discuss the importance of play and creativity in adult life, sharing activities they enjoy and how these bring joy and fulfillment. Procrastination and Overcoming It: The conversation explores the book's section on procrastination, strategies for overcoming it, and the importance of resolving discomfort by doing the work. Final Thoughts and Recommendations: Leanne and Chelle share their positive experiences with the book and its influence on them and their friends. They encourage listeners to read the book for its value and ease of reading, expressing excitement for future discussions on Holly Ringland's novels and other resonant books. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/30265633

BONUS: Winter's Reading PIle 05/26/2024

BONUS: Winter's Reading PIle Episode Title: Winter Reading Pile Podcast: Between The Lines Hosts: Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin Episode Summary: In this episode of "Between The Lines," hosts Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin share their winter reading lists, featuring a mix of fiction and non-fiction books. Leanne plans to dive into titles like "The Last Love Note" by Emma Gray, "The Terms of Inheritance" by Michelle Upton, and "Beautiful Little Fools" by Gillian Cantor. Meanwhile, Chelle is excited about "One Another With" by Gail Jones and "The Collected Regrets of Clover" by Mickey Brammer. They also explore non-fiction reads, with Leanne choosing "Human Design" by Jenna Zoe and "Tribes" by Seth Godin, while Chelle is reading "Mary Magdalene, Revealed" by Megan Waterson. Both emphasize the importance of reading for self-awareness and personal growth. Key Discussion Points: Welcoming Leanne and Introduction to the Podcast: Leanne and Chelle introduce themselves and the podcast, which focuses on books, parenting, and life as mothers, friends, women, and professionals. Discussion on Winter Reading Lists: The hosts discuss their excitement about meeting authors and transition to their winter reading lists, noting the rapid passage of time since their last discussion. Further Fiction Recommendations: Chelle recommends "One Another With" by Gail Jones, while Leanne mentions "Someone Else's Child" by Kylie Orr and "Beautiful Little Fools" by Gillian Cantor. Non-Fiction Book Recommendations: Chelle discusses "The Collected Regrets of Clover" by Mickey Brammer, while Leanne talks about "Human Design" by Jenna Zoe and "Tribes" by Seth Godin. Final Non-Fiction and Conclusion: Chelle shares "Mary Magdalene, Revealed" by Megan Waterson, and Leanne discusses "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" by Stephen Covey. Both hosts express excitement about their reading lists and encourage listeners to share their thoughts and recommendations. Closing Remarks: The episode concludes with a reminder to connect with them on social media and a thank you to the listeners for joining them on their reading journey. /episode/index/show/2ca7063a-43dc-4422-94af-a9ab672e2488/id/31127423

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