When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But

When We’re Not Hustling is a weekly podcast that explores the lives and identities of sex workers outside our personas. Each episode features a long-form interview with a sex worker, where we talk about everything but work: personal philosophies, ambitions, family, relationships, passions, hobbies, mental and physical health, identity, spirituality, meaning-making, and more. On this show, we learn who sex workers are outside of the work they are known for. When We’re Not Hustling is an exploration of the people behind the fantasies.

S3 E12: I Needed to Do Something With My Hands—Now I Make Custom Leather Harnesses with Mia Walsch 03/24/2025

S3 E12: I Needed to Do Something With My Hands—Now I Make Custom Leather Harnesses with Mia Walsch In this special crossover episode of When We're Not Hustling and Hobby Whores, Jessie Sage speaks with Mia Walsch, an Australian leatherworker and former sex worker, about her journey into leather crafting during the extended lockdowns in Melbourne. The conversation explores Mia's transition from sex work to a creative outlet that became a side hustle, as she intricately crafts leather harnesses and other items, emphasizing the therapeutic benefits of working with her hands. They discuss the challenges of selling on platforms like Etsy and the ethical considerations Mia faces as a vegetarian working with leather. The episode also touches on the broader themes of capitalism's impact on creative industries, the communal aspects of crafting, and the personal satisfaction derived from creating tangible art. In this Episode: 02:49 - Introduction of producer Emily Foster and guest Mia Walsh. 04:05 - Start of conversation with Mia Walsh. 06:14 - Discussion of Mia's leatherworking and Etsy experience. 10:04 - Insights on gig economy and capitalism. 17:40 - The joy of crafting and creating. 29:34 - Discussion on ethical considerations in leatherworking. 38:44 - Future plans for leatherworking and community involvement. 41:12 - Mia's memoir and challenges faced during its release. Guest: Mia Walsch is an author and visual artist from Melbourne, Australia. She studied Creative Writing at the University of Wollongong and has previously published three novels, the first of which won a Victorian Premier's Literary Award. Money for Something is her first non-fiction book. Instagram: Bluesky: Recommendations: Books: Music: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/35812790

S3 E11: What Does It Mean to Be Human? More Importantly, What Does It Mean to Have Humanity? with Zalika 03/17/2025

S3 E11: What Does It Mean to Be Human? More Importantly, What Does It Mean to Have Humanity? with Zalika In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage speaks with Zalika U. Ibaorimi, PhD, about the complex intersections of race, gender, and sex work. They discuss how Blackness disrupts conventional categories of identity and the limitations of the term "sex worker" in encompassing the diverse experiences within the sex industry. The conversation delves into the historical and systemic dehumanization of marginalized bodies, particularly focusing on the concept of "no humans involved" as a police code and its broader implications in Black studies. Zalika, an anti-disciplinary artist and professor, shares insights from her projects exploring Black femme identities and the societal constructs of humanism. Together, they examine the relational dynamics within sex work, the politics of coalition building, and the nuanced realities of being labeled a "whore." Through laughter and lived experiences, the episode offers a profound exploration of identity, existence, and the ongoing struggle for recognition and rights in both academic and sex work communities. In this Episode: 04:16 - Introduction of guest Zalika U. Mbararimi, her background, and her work on Black sexualities and humanism. 05:08 - Jessie and Zalika discuss their involvement in a book project with Working Girls Press. 09:15 - Explanation of the term "No Humans Involved," its implications, and its relevance to Black studies and sex work. 28:28 - Discussion on the complexities and critiques of the term "sex work" and its political implications. 41:40 - Jessie and Zalika discuss the challenges of coalition building, especially in relation to anti-Blackness and self-serving allies. 01:01:41 - Discussion on how Blackness disrupts traditional gender categories and the concept of womanhood. 01:06:48 - Zalika talks about her excitement for the I Hate My Job book and her critical porno project. 01:07:17 - Closing remarks, where to find Zalika and Jessie online, and podcast sign-off. Guest: Zalika U. Ibaorimi, PhD (she/they), also going under the artist’s name n0humaninv0lved (N.H.I.), is a former sex worker, antidisciplinary artist, Assistant Professor of Black Sexualities in the Department of African American and African Studies at the Ohio State University and a 2021-2023 Carter G. Woodson Predoctoral Fellow at the University of Virginia. She engages Black material and digital publics as landscapes to trace the Human sexual geographies between the relation of the Black femme and spectator. Their relationality is tethered to the logics of shame, desire, and pleasure. Additionally, they consider the discursiveness of critical and revolutionary Humanism as modes to chart the (de)figuration of the Black wh0re vis-à-vis the counter and anti-Human. They are currently working on two book projects, Haunted Femmes, Haunting Spectators and (BE)CUM(ING): N.H.I. in Three Acts. Her performance, a crit-p0rno titled (be)cum(ing): on humanist edging, will screen beginning March 2025. Instagram: Bluesky: Recommendations: Books: Music: The Rest: Enter to win a custom leather harness by Mia Walsch! Contest closes on 3/21/2025. Visit our socials for instructions! Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/35684135

S3 E10: What Do Mobile Peepshows, Burlesque and Non Profits Have in Common? Ruby 03/10/2025

S3 E10: What Do Mobile Peepshows, Burlesque and Non Profits Have in Common? Ruby In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage speaks with Ruby about her extensive work with the Peers Victoria Resources Society, a nonprofit supporting sex workers in Victoria, BC. Ruby shares insights into the organization's history and services, such as night outreach and harm reduction programs. She discusses the challenges sex workers face, including legal issues under the Nordic model and societal stigma, and highlights efforts to reform Canadian sex work laws. Ruby also touches on her personal journey from being sex work-adjacent to advocating for sex worker rights and her creative endeavors, including a traveling peep show and spoken word poetry. The conversation reflects on the importance of community support, inclusivity, and the intersectionality within advocacy work. In this Episode: 00:02:48 Emily Foster, the producer, introduces the episode and announces a giveaway. 00:06:07 Discussion on the Red Umbrella March and efforts to end violence against sex workers. 00:10:05 Overview of Peers Victoria Resources Society and its programs supporting sex workers. 00:15:21 Discussion on the legal challenges faced by sex workers in Canada, including the constitutional challenge against current laws. 00:21:03 Ruby shares her journey from being sex work-adjacent to becoming an advocate and worker. 00:28:12 Conversation on the intersection of burlesque and sex work, and changes in the burlesque community. 00:34:49 Importance of supporting marginalized voices within sex work advocacy. 00:41:00 Ruby discusses personal growth and accomplishments through her advocacy work. 00:48:09 Ruby performs her spoken word piece, "Bimbo," highlighting the sex worker experience. 00:52:03 Ruby describes her mobile peep show project and the challenges faced in promoting it. 01:00:39 Ruby shares her concerns and goals for mobilizing the community against potential conservative government changes. 01:02:02 Closing remarks and where to find more about Ruby and Peers Victoria Resources Society. Guest: Ruby is a bimbo with multiple personalities, an innovative visionary who has owned her own entertainment company for over 15 years. Ruby Entertainments fearlessly recreates the ritual of Bachelor Party Culture by combining sex positivity with consent through a playful platform of dance, connection, and touch. Notably she was granted a moderate sum from the BC government to build the world’s first contemporary mobile Peepshow. Ruby’s Pop Up Peepshow came to life in 2023! With a BA in Gender Studies she is the perfect mix of tits, wits, and glitz. As Ginger Kittens, she is a burlesque dancer in the award winning troupe, The Cheesecake Burlesque Revue. She is also an accomplished poet and playwright. Instagram: X/Twitter: Website: Recommendations: Journal: Podcasts: The Rest: Enter to win a custom leather harness by Mia Walsh! Contest closes on 3/21/2025. Visit our socials for instructions! Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/35584845

S3 E9: I'm an Immigrant Six Times Over, and My Heart Helps Me Find a Sense of Home with Savannah 03/03/2025

S3 E9: I'm an Immigrant Six Times Over, and My Heart Helps Me Find a Sense of Home with Savannah In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage interviews Savannah, a UK-based full-service sex worker turned webcam model and contemporary artist. Savannah discusses her self-care guide for sex workers, emphasizing the importance of acknowledging sex workers as full people with complex lives beyond their jobs. She shares how art has helped her find a sense of home and belonging as an immigrant and how it aids in processing her experiences of survival and stigma. Savannah's work includes the Self Care for Sex Workers Journal, aimed at promoting well-being and balance for sex workers, and her latest book, Salute the Light Within You, which explores her journey through domestic violence and addiction recovery. The episode underscores the importance of destigmatizing sex work and recognizing the humanity of those within the industry. In this Episode: 00:04:07 Introduction to Savannah, a full-service sex worker and artist, and the topics of the interview including self-care and art. 00:06:46 Savannah discusses her background, her transition from full-service sex work to webcam modeling, and her art practice. 00:11:01 Savannah talks about how her art is a response to her experience of erasure and survival as an immigrant and sex worker. 00:19:09 Savannah and Jessie discuss the difficulty of recognizing safety and security after years of survival mode. 00:28:04 Discussion on the importance of self-care for sex workers and the creation of Savannah's journal. 00:32:42 Conversation about financial stigma and challenges faced by sex workers in managing money. 00:41:43 Discussion about the boundaries and care dynamics in sex work, and how these experiences translate to Savannah's art. 00:56:00 Jessie wraps up the episode with final thoughts and asks Savannah about her current interests and projects. Guest: Savannah is an Indian Web Cam Model, 6 time Immigrant and Contemporary Artist based in London, UK. In 2022 she published the Self Care for Sex Workers Journal which centres the lives, well being and spirits of Sex Workers as deserving and vital. Born from her understanding of Self Care and Community as Reclamation from a stigma induced Survival Mode existence, the Journal offers a holistic guide to well being through eye opening, step by step guidance around nutrition, finance, rest, pleasure and diversifying in business and life aspirations. Rooted in doing less and letting go, and creating expansion through rest and replenishment, the prompts provide release from the hustle and grind aspects of our Labour, to move from surviving to thriving, from burn out to balance. Instagram: X/Twitter: Website: Substack: Recommendations: Books: Podcasts: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/35478135

S3 E8: I Am a Pro Domme and a Pro Wrestler—I Like to Play the Heel with Katarina 02/24/2025

S3 E8: I Am a Pro Domme and a Pro Wrestler—I Like to Play the Heel with Katarina In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage and guest Katarina "The Domme Kat" Pierce delve into her journey from TV production and journalism to becoming a co-founder of the Sex Work Survival Guide, a nonprofit providing crucial resources and education to sex workers. The conversation covers the challenges and stigmas within the sex industry, the importance of safety and community, and the unique blend of creativity and empowerment found in wrestling and BDSM. Katarina highlights her passion for wrestling as both an art form and a means of personal expression, illustrating how it allows for a dynamic interplay of strength, storytelling, and connection with clients. The episode also touches on the broader cultural narratives surrounding sex work and wrestling, emphasizing the transformative power of embracing one's true self and the support found within the sex work community. In this Episode: 00:02:49 Emily Foster introduces herself as the producer and talks about upcoming projects, including Jessie's book and TEDx Talk. 00:03:55 Introduction of Katarina, discussing her work and her nonprofit. 00:06:11 Katarina shares the challenges of entering the industry and the purpose behind the Sex Work Survival Guide. 00:09:30 Discussion about the format of the Sex Work Survival Guide conferences and speaker series. 00:18:19 Katarina discusses her journey into sex work and the reasons for choosing this path. 00:28:15 Jessie and Katarina discuss the dynamics of submission and fetishism in their work. 00:42:39 Discussion about the body emphasis in wrestling and how it intersects with sex work. 00:50:12 Katarina explains how sessions are like improv dance and the importance of consent. 00:57:04 Katarina shares one of her most fun sessions, involving role play and exploration. 01:02:02 Katarina and Jessie discuss their intentions for balancing work and personal life. Guest: Katarina "The Domme Kat" Pierce is a NYC-based fetish wrestler, ProDomme, adult actress and producer, kink educator and experience creator. With Tiana "Glittersaurus Rex" and Dr. Ash Dark, Kat co-founded SW Survival Guide, a non-profit dedicated to the idea that life-saving information shouldn't be gatekept because “survival shouldn't be a luxury.” Katarina comes from the world of TV production and print journalism. When she's editing content and her mom calls to ask what she's doing, Kat gets to say, "Using my college degree." Instagram: X/Twitter: Bluesky: Website: or Recommendations: Books: Music: Podcasts: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/35374400

S3 E7: I Make Art From Bones and I Like Homesteading, Too with Miss Faith Rae 02/17/2025

S3 E7: I Make Art From Bones and I Like Homesteading, Too with Miss Faith Rae In this episode of the When We're Not Hustling podcast, host Jessie Sage welcomes Ms. Faith Rae, a Canadian sex worker and multidisciplinary artist. The conversation explores Faith's life outside her work persona, delving into her passions for sustainability and art. Faith shares her unique craft of creating art with ethically sourced animal bones, a practice that connects her with nature and offers a sense of healing and honoring life cycles. Her dedication to sustainability extends to her lifestyle choices, including plans to build a homestead with permaculture principles. Throughout the discussion, Faith reflects on how these practices have reshaped her relationship with life and death, and how they align with her broader commitment to environmental care. The episode is a deep dive into the personal philosophies and creative endeavors that define Faith Rae beyond her professional identity. In this Episode: 00:02:40 Introduction to the guest, Faith Rae, a Canadian multidisciplinary artist and sex worker. 00:03:10 Faith Rae discusses her art with bones and her interests in sustainability. 00:06:03 Discussion on ADHD and creative processes. 00:10:54 Faith Rae talks about her connection to nature and how it influences her art. 00:13:28 Discussion on how working with bones has changed her relationship with death. 00:19:49 Faith Rae talks about her interest in sustainability and thrifting. 00:31:19 Faith Rae discusses her plans to move and her vision for a sustainable homestead. 00:43:12 Discussion on permaculture and sustainable farming practices. 00:52:24 Faith Rae shares her excitement for the future and her personal journey. 00:53:01 Closing remarks and where to find Faith Rae's work. Guest: Faith Rae is a Canadian sex worker of over twelve years, whose career is rooted in Femdom content creation and online sessions. When she's not making men cry for money, she can be found hiking with her dog, making art out of ethically sourced animal remains, or learning new ways to incorporate sustainability and eco-consciousness into her day-to-day life. Bluesky: Website: Reccomendations: Books: Music: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/35287650

S3 E6: Stripping and Cam Modelling Isn't as Fun as Making Instant Noodles with Steph Sia 02/10/2025

S3 E6: Stripping and Cam Modelling Isn't as Fun as Making Instant Noodles with Steph Sia In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage sits down with Steph Sia, a multidisciplinary artist and content creator from Vancouver, to discuss her diverse experiences in the adult industry. As a stripper, podcaster, and online content creator, Sia shares insights into balancing work and personal life while navigating the challenges and misconceptions surrounding sex work. The conversation also explores her unique YouTube channel, Sia Slurps, where she reviews instant noodles, highlighting her passion for creative expression beyond the industry. Throughout the episode, Sia emphasizes the importance of destigmatizing sex work and creating content that connects with mainstream audiences, fostering greater understanding and visibility. In this Episode: 00:02:41 Introduction to guest Steph Sia, her background, and podcast "Stripped by Sia". 00:03:57 Overview of Steph Sia’s career in the adult space and her various roles. 00:05:01 Steph shares her travel plans to Hawaii and family life. 00:07:55 Conversation about Steph's multiple jobs and how she manages them. 00:12:24 Introduction and discussion of Steph’s noodle review channel "See a Slurps". 00:24:00 Discussion on managing work and personal life, including setting boundaries to prevent burnout. 00:32:01 Steph discusses her transition from feature dancing to focusing more on online work. 00:58:27 Conversation about the realities of working in the sex industry and the impact of COVID on new entrants. 01:01:35 Reflections on the connections and friendships formed within the industry. 01:02:23 Jessie and Steph talk about their current reading and music interests. 01:04:59 Steph shares where listeners can find her content online. 01:06:33 Closing remarks by Jessie Sage. Guest: Steph SIA (aka SIA) is a content creator, podcaster, dancer, and multidisciplinary artist based out of Vancouver, BC. She has been in the adult space since 2013, starting out with in-person companionship, dancing professionally across clubs in Vancouver, fetish work and most recently, branching off into online work via paid subscription sites, camming and sexting. Steph SIA shares a love for dancing and movement which lead her to her naturally gravitating toward a career in the strip industry. Instagram: X: Bluesky: Website: Reccomendations: Books: Music: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/35191645

S3 E5: The Most Taboo Subject in the World Isn't Sex, It's Perimenopause 02/03/2025

S3 E5: The Most Taboo Subject in the World Isn't Sex, It's Perimenopause In S3 E5 of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage sits down with Jet Setting Jasmine, an award-winning adult film director, psychotherapist, and master fetish trainer, to discuss perimenopause, evolving identities, and the challenges of navigating life, family, and sex work with autonomy and care. They explore the impact of bodily changes, the importance of boundary-setting, and Jasmine’s unique approach to parenting and education through travel. This episode offers a candid look at embracing new phases of life with confidence, community, and self-acceptance. In this Episode: 00:02:51 Introduction of guest Jet Setting Jasmine 00:03:47 Discussion on perimenopause and its impact on daily life. 00:06:33 Conversation about the symptoms and lack of awareness regarding perimenopause. 00:10:28 Exploration of mood changes and personality shifts during perimenopause. 00:14:37 Concerns about sex drive changes due to perimenopause and how it affects sex work. 00:19:23 Discussion on adaptability in sex work as one ages and changes. 00:26:51 The impact of perimenopause on relationships and personal life. 00:41:51 Changes in family dynamics and embracing new roles as children grow. 00:54:49 Traveling with children and accommodating their needs in new environments. 01:01:32 Closing thoughts on perimenopause, its broader impacts, and the importance of sharing experiences with others going through similar life stages. Guest: Jet Setting Jasmine is an award-winning adult film director, entertainer, and master fetish trainer. She is also a licensed psychotherapist and educator who uses her expertise in mental health to advocate for a more inclusive and ethically-sound adult entertainment industry. Challenging Conventional Approaches to Sex, Jasmine is the co-owner, along with partner King Noire, of Royal Fetish Films, a multi-channel adult-entertainment business that resists the discriminatory tropes common in the art of entertainment and the mainstream adult industry. The filmmakers at Royal Fetish Films combine love for artistic and sensual film, with the need for authentic sexual representation. The result is blazing-hot content that stimulates the audience to explore their sexual boundaries in an area free from stigma. Her work on the decolonization of sex and pornography, as well as her advocacy for sex-positive parenting, recently landed her on Comedy Central’s The Daily Show. She has also appeared in major publications such as Vice, Playboy, Forbes, Cosmopolitan, NPR, Essence, BBC, and Psychology Today. Instagram: X: Bluesky: XXX Content: Website: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/35103090

S3 E4: I'm No Longer the Object of Men's Desires—I'm the Subject of My Own Story with Suzannah Weiss 01/27/2025

S3 E4: I'm No Longer the Object of Men's Desires—I'm the Subject of My Own Story with Suzannah Weiss In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage sits down with Suzanna Weiss, a sexologist and author of Subjectified: Becoming a Sexual Subject. Weiss shares her journey toward sexual empowerment, beginning with overcoming an eating disorder tied to societal objectification and evolving through experiences like sex parties and sex writing. Her book challenges traditional narratives around women’s sexuality, urging women to reclaim agency and become active participants in their own desires, rather than passive objects of male fantasy. This episode offers a nuanced discussion on the complexities of sexual subjectivity and self-expression, encouraging listeners to embrace their desires and assert their individuality. In this Episode: 00:02:40 Introduction of guest Suzannah Weiss and her new book 00:04:32 Discussion on Suzannah's background and work 00:07:21 Suzannah's personal journey with sexuality and empowerment 00:09:50 Exploration of consent and desire 00:15:10 Discussion on societal views about sex and gender roles 00:25:25 Examination of men's experiences with desire 00:32:28 Suzannah's book tour experience and public readings 00:38:19 Insights on beauty, femininity, and empowerment 00:43:56 Tuning into personal boundaries and consent in sex work 00:53:55 Final thoughts on Suzannah's book and its impact 00:54:24 Closing segment with Suzannah's current reads and excitements Guest: Suzannah Weiss is a writer and sexologist based in Los Angeles. She is the author of , which describes her search for sexual empowerment and her vision for a world where women are subjects, not just objects, of desire. She has written over 8800 articles, which have appeared in publications such as The New York Times and The Washington Post. As a sex educator certified by the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors, and Therapists, Suzannah has taught courses and given talks on topics including consent, orgasms, childbirth, non-monogamy, and neurodiversity. She is regularly quoted as an expert in publications like Cosmopolitan and Men's Health and also works as a sex/love coach, birth doula, and sexual assault counselor. She holds a Master of Professional Studies in Sexual Health from the University of Minnesota, a Bachelor of Science in Cognitive Neuroscience from Brown University, and a Bachelor of Arts in Gender & Sexuality Studies and Modern Culture & Media from Brown University. She likes to play with words in silly ways that tap into big truths. Instagram: X: Website: Recommendation: Audiobooks: Music: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/34992560

S3 E3: Urban Warriors Sometimes Carry Seeds and Scythes with Xanthe Rhea 01/20/2025

S3 E3: Urban Warriors Sometimes Carry Seeds and Scythes with Xanthe Rhea In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage sits down with long-time friend Xanthe Rhea to discuss her journey from stripping to full-service sex work. Xanthe shares insights into the financial pressures dancers face, including the challenges of "pay-to-work" club systems, and how these experiences shaped her transition within the industry. Beyond sex work, the conversation explores Xanthe's passion for urban farming, her background in herbalism, and her commitment to holistic health practices. They discuss the philosophical differences between herbalism and Western medicine, as well as the social and environmental benefits of local, organic farming. The episode delves into the challenges of urban gardening, including community resistance and regulatory hurdles, and reflects on the intersection of climate change, empowerment, and personal growth. Xanthe concludes by sharing her vision for balancing her farming aspirations with her work in the sex industry. In this Episode: 00:00:06 Introduction to When We're Not Hustling 00:02:49 Guest introduction: Xanthe Rhea 00:05:00 Experiences in dancing and stripping 00:09:52 Labor issues and female labor struggles 00:14:10 Urban gardening and farming experiences 00:16:11 Herb school and herbalism 00:21:39 Code switching between herbalism and Western medicine 00:30:19 Midwives and naturalistic approaches 00:37:02 Health tips and firewater benefits 00:42:33 Importance of organic, local produce 00:51:48 Interpersonal skills learned from sex work 00:57:57 Vision for future farming and community living 01:01:20 Plans for 2025 and touring goals 01:05:02 Where to find Xanthe Rhea online Guest: I'm a traveling stripper from Pittsburgh who is transitioning to in-person sex work. Right now, I'm also working on aerial skills to become a traveling feature performer. I have a formal education in nursing. Once I finished my nursing program and obtained my license I ran screaming into herbalism education and started getting serious/obsessive about travel dancing. I also trained with a trail-building non-profit when I was a teenager. This experience stays with me in the form of desire to find sweet hiking spots or natural swim spots wherever I travel. I'm looking forward to continue to build community resilience within the SWer community and the femme community at large that's built on radical honesty, pleasure and connectedness. P.S. In my future there will be chickens. Website: Bluesky: Recommendation: Books: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/34897320

S3 E2: Polyamory Works for Me, as Long as It’s for Me, with Delphine 01/13/2025

S3 E2: Polyamory Works for Me, as Long as It’s for Me, with Delphine In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage talks with Delphine, a full-service sex worker from the San Francisco Bay Area, about polyamory, non-monogamy, and balancing work with personal life. Delphine, who identifies as solo poly, shares how her approach to relationships emphasizes autonomy, personal growth, and creative expression. The conversation explores the challenges of dating as a sex worker, navigating societal expectations, and maintaining non-hierarchical dynamics in relationships. Delphine also reflects on how her work has enabled her to pursue passions like becoming a yoga teacher. The episode encourages listeners to rethink societal norms around relationships while celebrating the autonomy and individuality of sex workers. In this Episode: 00:03:00: Upcoming Episode and Guest Introduction 00:05:02: Delphine Discusses Relationships in Sex Work 00:09:28: Flexibility and Opportunities Provided by Sex Work 00:13:04: Navigating Polyamory as a Sex Worker 00:14:59: Delphine's Journey to Solo Polyamory 00:22:55: Balancing Work and Personal Life 00:24:06: Differences Between Client and Personal Relationships 00:31:07: Black Venom Digital Sponsorship 00:34:17: Societal Challenges of Non-Hierarchical Relationships 00:36:03: Importance of Autonomy in Relationships 00:39:22: Delphine's Introduction to Polyamory 00:48:33: Challenges of Managing Multiple Relationships 00:51:58: Concerns About Stigma and Whorephobia 00:54:03: Microaggressions in Polyamorous Communities 00:58:01: Where to Find Delphine Online Guest: Delphine is a hairy, all natural escort based in the SF Bay Area. She loves engineering creative photo shoots, reading/watching science fiction (especially dystopians), and making fantasies come to life. She has been in the adult industry in various forms for about 15 years, and has been doing full service sex work as Delphine for the last 7.5 years. She considers her 870+ day Duolingo streak to be one of her greatest achievements in life. An AI bot once described her as "a digital darling serving sass with a side of self-awareness and dad jokes" and that sounds about right. Website: X: Bluesky: Recommendation: Podcast: Reddit on Wiki Podcast The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We’re Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/34807115

S3 E1: Men at Work: The Trans Masc Experience in Sex Work with Jack Parker 01/06/2025

S2 E23: The Life of the Mind, Season 2 Roundtable 12/09/2024

S2 E23: The Life of the Mind, Season 2 Roundtable In this special roundtable episode wrapping up Season 2 of When We're Not Hustling, host Jessie Sage, producer Emily Foster, and guests Aviva Ruse, Amber Délice, and Madeleine Blair dive into the complexities of the mind. They discuss the connection between the brain, emotions, and personal experiences, exploring how the mind processes thoughts and feelings while balancing mental and physical experiences. The conversation touches on the challenges and pleasures of living in one's mind and the importance of grounding oneself in reality. They also examine emotional states like jealousy and envy, particularly in relation to those with seemingly simpler lives, and highlight the significance of rest, play, and creativity for maintaining mental health. Throughout the discussion, they share personal strategies for reconnecting with their minds, embracing their strengths, and offering practical advice for navigating life with a mindful approach. In This Episode: 00:00: Exploring the Nature of the Mind 02:53: The Mind as a Processor: Perspectives & Experiences 05:57: Navigating the Mind: Personal Experiences & Challenges 09:06: The Mind as a Pleasant or Unpleasant Space 12:08: The Balance of Mind, Body, and Emotion 15:02: Fostering a Life of the Mind 18:01: The Role of Habits in Shaping the Mind 20:49: The Importance of Grounding in the Life of the Mind 37:40: Navigating Emotional States & Self-Acceptance 39:02: The Burden of Intellect: Jealousy & Envy 43:59: Finding Balance: Rest, Play, and Creativity 47:51: Bridging the Gap: Reconnecting with the Mind 56:08: Embracing Individuality: Strengths & Coping Mechanisms 01:00:51: Advice & Reflections: Wisdom from Experience Guests: Aviva Ruse is a New England-born companion living in West Hollywood. Her bylines as Aviva include Tryst, The Fix, and Rogue Collective. She is currently shopping a collection of essays (and endlessly shopping for lingerie!). She blogs at . You can find Aviva: Aviva's Episode: Website: X: OnlyFans: Amber Délice is an independent provider and companion based in Boulder, Colorado (just a quick hop away from Denver). She is blessed to travel often and has clients who not only fly her to them but also come to visit for adventures in Colorado. She loves sensuality, writing, dance, immersive theater, travel, and poetry. She is also an ex-food and wine journalist. You can find Amber: Amber's Episode: Website: X: Instagram: Madeleine Blair is a sex worker, writer, freelance editor, writing coach, and the founder and host of , a hookers-only virtual literary salon. You can find Madeleine: Madeleine's episode: Website: X: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/34318675

S2 E22 AP: I'm a Dominatrix With a PhD, and There's a Lot of Us 12/04/2024

S2 E22: I'm a Dominatrix With a PhD, and There's a Lot of Us, With Olivia Snow 12/02/2024

S2 E22: I'm a Dominatrix With a PhD, and There's a Lot of Us, With Olivia Snow In this episode of When We're Not Hustling, Jessie Sage interviews Olivia Snow, a writer, professor, and dominatrix, to discuss the intersections of academia, labor rights, and the surveillance of sex workers. Olivia shares insights from her research on algorithmic surveillance and how technology, particularly smartphones, profiles sex workers. The conversation delves into themes of class, labor, and societal perceptions of sex work, weaving in elements from Olivia’s dissertation on cannibalism and capitalism in 19th-century American literature. Together, Jessie and Olivia reflect on their experiences and the broader implications of their work, offering a nuanced look at the complexities of the industry. In This Episode: 00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling 01:23: Podcast Overview with Host Jessie Sage 02:44: Season Finale and Guest Introduction: Olivia Snow 05:01: Olivia Snow on Academia and Sex Work Research 06:53: Surveillance and Sex Work: A Discussion 10:22: Historical Context of Surveillance in Sex Work 12:30: Olivia Snow's Academic Background 20:18: Cannibalism and Capitalism in American Literature 28:02: Class Dynamics and Sex Work 50:18: Sex Work, Queer Identity, and Community Dynamics Guest: Dr. Olivia Snow is a writer, professor, and dominatrix based in New York City. She’s currently a Visiting Assistant Researcher at the University of California, Los Angeles’s Department of Gender Studies and Center for Critical Internet Inquiry (C2i2), where she studies sex work, labor rights, tech, and policy. She’s written for WIRED, The Daily Beast, Jezebel, The Chronicle of Higher Education, The Nation, Slate, and Motherboard/VICE, and she’s been quoted in stories on sex work and whorephobia for Business Insider, Buzzfeed, CNN, The Daily Dot, Fast Company, Forbes, Glamour, The Guardian, Inside Higher Ed, Mashable, MEL Magazine, The New York Post, Paper Magazine, Polygon, Prism, TechCrunch, The Washington Post, and more. You can find Olivia: Website: X: Instagram: Recommendations: , by Chris Belcher The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/34206780

S2 E21 AP: Living in a Van and Doing Psychedelics Changed My Life 11/27/2024

S2 E21: Living in a Van and Doing Psychedelics Changed My Life with Sinn Sage 11/25/2024

S2 E20 AP: I Throw Sex Parties, and There's No Boys Allowed 11/20/2024

S2 E20: I Throw Sex Parties, and There's No Boys Allowed with Josie Oakley 11/18/2024

S2 E19: The Holy Hour Book Launch Special Live Episode 11/11/2024

S2 E19: The Holy Hour Book Launch Special Live Episode In a special live episode, When We're Not Husting collaborates with , , and to celebrate the launch of Working Girls Press's debut anthology, . The event features impactful readings from the anthology, alongside discussions on the intersections of sex work, spirituality, and identity. Emily Foster leads panel discussions that dive into themes of integrity, emotional labor, and boundaries, bringing depth and nuance to the conversation around sex work. Speakers underscore the importance of community support, highlighting how solidarity helps sex workers navigate societal stigma and limited resources. Listeners are introduced to Working Girls Press's newest project, I Hate My Job: Thoughts on Labor, Sex Work, and Capitalism, edited by . The episode concludes with reflections on radical boundaries, self-empowerment, and the strength rooted in collective resilience. In This Episode: 01:25: Host Jesse Sage introduces the podcast 04:02: Opening remarks & event sponsors 06:49: Musical interlude by Emily Foster 08:05: Molly Simmons discusses Working Girls Press 12:21: Introduction of panelists & discussion format 14:47: Jesse Sage reads her essay on religion and sex work 25:24: Panel discussion: Religion, motherhood, and sex work 44:08: Brita Love's essay on power dynamics in sex work 1:05:28: Intermission & musical performance by Emily Foster 1:13:13: Elena Egusquiza's essay on sex work as resistance 1:35:43: Amber Délice's essay on integrity in sex work 2:06:59: Announcing new book project by Adrie Rose 2:07:27: Audience Q&A session 2:42:32: Closing remarks and group yell: Radical Boundaries Collaborators: Sponsors: Music: Sound: PJ Patella-Rey Panelists: Readers: Nicci Writers: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33849912

S2 E18 AP: I'm a Proud Bed-Rotter, and I Think Everyone Should Try It 11/06/2024

S2 E18 AP: I'm a Proud Bed-Rotter, and I Think Everyone Should Try It In this episode of When We're Not Hustling: The Afterparty, hosts Jesse Sage, Emily Foster, and guest host Emery Fields discuss the concept of "bedrotting," inspired by a recent episode featuring Lana Hart—a New York City-based stripper, writer, sex worker, and stand-up comic. In her article for the Tryst Blog titled "Hobby Whores," Lana describes "bedrotting" as the intentional act of lying in bed to relax and recharge. The hosts emphasize the importance of viewing downtime as an active and valuable part of self-care, especially in a hustle-driven economy where constant productivity is often the norm. They highlight how scheduling time for rest is essential for mental health, creativity, and maintaining balance. The discussion also delves into the challenges of separating personal life from work as artists and freelancers, where even moments of relaxation can feel tied to productivity. Each host shares their experiences with balancing work and downtime, striving to embrace rest without constantly measuring it against their professional output. They conclude by celebrating the joy of transforming everyday experiences into art and meaningful discussions while acknowledging the necessity of rest to sustain their passion and effectiveness. In This Episode: 00:12: Introducing guest host Emery Fields 01:02: Discussing live event and upcoming episodes 02:02: Explanation of bedrotting and its origins 03:20: Bedrotting as a restorative process 05:04: Bedrotting compared to couch relaxation 06:47: Watching TV as part of bedrotting 09:02: TV shows and off-grid living discussion 10:49: Balancing work and life with active bedrotting 17:37: Scheduling downtime for mental health benefits People: Guest: Hosts: , Emily Foster, Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati You can support the show at When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33800122

S2 E18: I'm a Proud Bed-Rotter, and I Think Everyone Should Try It with Lana Hart 11/04/2024

S2 E18: I'm a Proud Bed-Rotter, and I Think Everyone Should Try It with Lana Hart In this special crossover episode with Tryst blog's "Hobby Whores" column, host Jessie Sage sits down with Lana Hart, a sex worker, comedian, and writer, to explore the concept of "bed rotting." Described as the act of lying in bed to recharge and care for oneself, bed rotting is framed as an essential form of self-care—especially for those in demanding professions like sex work. Together, Lana and Jessie discuss the mental and emotional demands of sex work, from the pressure of constant social engagement to the need for meaningful downtime. They challenge societal expectations around productivity, emphasizing that rest is a valuable activity rather than a guilty indulgence. The conversation also covers the balance between personal relationships and the intensity of their work, underscoring the importance of dedicating time to oneself. By embracing restorative activities like watching favorite shows or pursuing hobbies, the episode highlights the therapeutic benefits of rest and self-care. Lana Hart's Article: Hobby Whores: In This Episode: 00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling 01:24: Overview of Podcast and Mission 02:44: Crossover Episode with Tryst Blog 03:58: Raffle Announcement and Future Episodes 05:16: Introduction of Guest Lana Hart 06:27: Lana Hart Discusses Bed Rotting 09:18: The Importance of Rest in Sex Work 17:30: Challenges of Maintaining Social Energy 20:08: Regular Clients and Relationship Dynamics 21:32: Bed Rotting as Self-Care Practice Guest: Lana Hart is a comedian, sex worker, and writer; a woman who wears many hats and sometimes wears nothing at all. Lana moved to New York City in 2014 after graduating from Emerson College to pursue a career in stand up comedy and comedy writing. While doing nightly comedy shows, occasional tours, and various freelance gigs, she picked up multiple side hustles to support herself. In 2018, she finally found one that stuck when she began stripping. Lana’s experience with sex work made its way into her comedy writing, as she found a passion for presenting audiences with the radical idea that sex workers are people who deserve respect. She dedicated her punchlines to lifting up sex workers and punching down on narrow-minded people who discriminate against them. She also wrote multiple articles for Betches Media advocating for sex workers’ rights and the decriminalization of sex work. Her written work has also been featured on Reductress, Someecards, Paste Magazine, and Tryst. Lana’s stand-up comedy, published articles, and social media content aim to rid people of their whorephobia and inspire them to cherish whores as much as she does. She wants you to laugh but she also wants you to shut up and listen. You can find Lana: X: Instagram: Recommendations: The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33707062

S2 E17 AP: I'm Happier, Wealthier, and More Satisfied Single 10/30/2024

S2 E17 AP: I'm Happier, Wealthier, and More Satisfied Single In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts explore the themes of singlehood, societal expectations, and the importance of friendships through the lens of Gem DeMilo's story. Gem, who has chosen to remain intentionally single after past relationships, sheds light on the societal pressure to prioritize romantic relationships and how she values friendships instead. The discussion also delves into how societal norms often restrict men from forming intimate friendships and how this contributes to a loneliness epidemic. Moreover, the conversation highlights how being single can be an empowering choice rather than an indication of loneliness, as it allows individuals to focus on self-growth. The hosts share personal anecdotes about navigating relationship dynamics and challenge the traditional view of relationships being solely romantic or monogamous. They emphasize that friendships and professional relationships, including those in sex work, can also provide fulfillment when the transactional nature is understood and respected. The episode concludes with an affirmation of the value of diverse relationships and the importance of expressing love and appreciation for friends. In This Episode: 00:34: Hosts Introduce Themselves 00:51: Gem DeMilo's Choice to Be Intentionally Single 01:43: Societal Expectations of Relationships 03:06: Cultural Views on Monogamy and Intimacy 05:23: Masculine Socialization and Emotional Isolation 07:21: Financial Independence in Single Life 09:14: Redefining Relationship Dynamics 14:42: Singleness as Self-Actualization 33:33: Closing Thoughts on Relationships People: Guest: Hosts: , Emily Foster, Melissa Milk Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati You can support the show at When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33615012

S2 E17: I'm Happier, Wealthier, and More Satisfied Single with Gem DeMilo 10/28/2024

S2 E17: I'm Happier, Wealthier, and More Satisfied Single with Gem DeMilo Host Jessie Sage sits down with Gem DeMilo for a heartfelt discussion about redefining fulfillment beyond romantic partnerships. Gem opens up about her solo journeys to Mexico City and Iceland, sharing how travel has deepened her life’s meaning and enriched her sense of self. Together, they explore the importance of close friendships, the unique joys of single life, and the ways society’s expectations can often obscure personal happiness. Gem emphasizes that her connections with friends and her beloved pet have brought her profound love and contentment. Their conversation also delves into the challenges and misconceptions surrounding polyamory, as well as the critical role financial independence plays for women. Gem shares insights from her path of healing past relationship traumas, finding empowerment in being single, and reclaiming her self-worth beyond societal standards. The episode wraps up with Gem's excitement for her upcoming 40th birthday celebration in New Orleans, and her commitment to financial literacy as a tool of empowerment for herself and others. In This Episode: 00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling Podcast 02:44: Updates & Upcoming Events 05:20: Announcement of Collaboration with Tryst 07:52: Introduction of Guest Gem DeMilo 09:08: Gem DeMilo Discusses Being Single 17:20: Gem's Life Changes & Moving to North Carolina 21:31: Finding Love & Fulfillment Outside of Relationships 32:25: Discussion on Solo Poly & Single Life 42:34: Reflections on Self-Worth & Letting Go 54:44: Conclusion & Excitement for Future Plans Guest: Gem DeMilo is a North Carolina based escort, originally from Chicago. She got her start in sex work back in 2009 working for a commercial dungeon as she worked on her MFA in creative writing. She quickly transitioned to sugaring, and transitioned to escorting quickly from there. In her spare time, she enjoys reading, writing, traveling, barre and volunteering with animals. She often snuggles with her feline son and soulmate, Jean-Claude. You can find Gem: Website: X: Instagram: Recommendations: by Tori Dunlap by Camilla Falkenberg, Emma Due Bitz and Anna-Sophie Hartvigsen Important Note: This episode was recorded prior to Hurricane Helene. Gem, who lives in Western North Carolina, would like to highlight several charities providing essential relief to Asheville and nearby communities. The Rest: Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33615027

S2 E16 AP: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway 10/16/2024

S2 E16 AP: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts discuss Kaytlin Bailey, a multifaceted individual who has significantly influenced the podcasting, sex work, and activist communities. Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, and Milk Glass delve into Kaytlin's extensive contributions, including her critical feedback shaping the show's messaging that sex work is legitimate work. They also highlight her historical insights and her juxtaposition of personal experiences, such as her father's military service and her own sex work, to explore broader societal issues. The conversation underscores Kaytlin's impact on the hosts and the themes of their show, emphasizing the importance of recognizing sex work as valid and respectable. Additionally, the hosts discuss Kaytlin's dynamic career, which includes being a comedian, sex worker, historian, and boxer. They admire her ability to weave together various aspects of her life into a cohesive narrative that challenges societal norms and addresses issues like misogyny, PTSD, and legislative impacts on sex work. The episode is a tribute to Kaytlin's intelligence, resilience, and the transformative power of her work, encouraging listeners to appreciate the depth and complexity of her endeavors. The hosts' admiration for her as a "main character" in their lives reflects the profound influence she has had on them and their audience. In This Episode: 00:02: Introduction to the After-Party Podcast 00:23: Host and Co-Hosts Introductions 00:42: Kaytlin Bailey's Impact on the Podcast 01:44: Validating Sex Work as Legitimate 03:38: Comedians' Intelligence and Timing 04:21: Discussing Rap's Cognitive Demands 05:22: Kaytlin's Show and Social Commentary 07:54: Boxing and Kaytlin's World Tour 10:33: Gender, Kink, and Feminine Rage 14:00: Transformative Experiences and Emotions People: Guest: Hosts: , Emily Foster, Melissa Milk Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati You can support the show at When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33303212

S2 E16: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway with Kaytlin Bailey 10/14/2024

S2 E16: It's Not Funny to Get Punched in the Face, but I Do It Anyway with Kaytlin Bailey Kaytlin Bailey discusses her show "Whore's Eye View," which combines comedy with a historical perspective on sex work, blending stand-up comedy with a real history lecture. She shares how her father's military background and her experiences as a sex worker influenced her writing, exploring themes of exploitation and violence across different professions. Through her show, Kaytlin aims to provide a nuanced understanding of sex work by juxtaposing it with other forms of labor and highlighting the boundaries and consent involved in both. Kaytlin also talks about her passion for boxing, which started as a way to channel her aggression and has become a recreational hobby. She explains how boxing has helped her process emotions, overcome trauma, and stay connected to her body. Jessie and Kaitlyn discuss the parallels between their experiences in sex work and boxing, emphasizing the importance of boundaries, consent, and self-discovery in both fields. Kaytlin also shares insights from her travels and experiences boxing in different countries, noting cultural differences and similarities in boxing gyms worldwide. The episode concludes with Kaitlyn discussing her upcoming projects, including future performances of "Whore's Eye View," and sharing resources for listeners interested in sex worker rights advocacy. In This Episode: 00:01: Introduction to When We're Not Hustling podcast 01:23: Podcast host introduction & mission 02:44: Upcoming live event & nonprofit status 05:07: Kaytlin Bailey's show & background 08:02: Kaytlin introduces herself & her work 10:47: Juxtaposing military & sex work experiences 13:56: Boxing as a hobby & its impact 22:26: Lessons from sparring & personal growth 35:52: Wrap-up and book recommendations Guest: Sex worker rights advocate, comedian, and writer, Kaytlin Bailey is the Founder & Executive Director of , a non-profit media organization creating conditions to change the status of sex workers in society. Host of , she is also the creator of , a mad dash through 10,000 years of sex worker history. You can find Kaytlin: Website: X: Instagram: Recommendations: by Jane Kamensky by Philippa Gregory The Rest: RSVP to The Holy Hour Book Launch Event in Pittsburgh on Oct 16: . Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33303232

S2 E15 AP: One Man's Play on Words, Life, and Skin 10/09/2024

S2 E15 AP: One Man's Play on Words, Life, and Skin In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling: The After-Party," the hosts, Jessie Sage, Emily Foster, and Melissa Milk, engage in a lively discussion about their personal experiences and reflections on the topics of spirituality, sexuality, and consciousness. They start by expressing their love for October and share some amusing anecdotes about Halloween costumes and quirky questions from clients. As the conversation progresses, they delve into deeper subjects, such as the importance of understanding bodily functions and hygiene, especially in the context of working with clients who have high support needs. The hosts also touch on their backgrounds and how their upbringing and personal experiences have influenced their perspectives on these topics. The discussion takes a more profound turn when they reflect on a recent interview with Galen Grace, a tantric massage practitioner. They share their initial skepticism about tantric practices due to their misuse in some contexts but are ultimately moved by Galen's genuine and heartfelt approach. They discuss the significance of Galen's story about experiencing a life-threatening aortic dissection during a session, which highlights the deep connection between physical and spiritual healing. The hosts also explore the broader implications of sexual energy and its role in personal growth and well-being. Throughout the episode, they emphasize the interconnectedness of mind, body, and spirit, and the transformative power of shared experiences and open dialogue. In This Episode: 00:10: Welcome and Favorite Months Discussion 00:26: Halloween Tattoo and Fantasy Talk 00:43: Halloween Costume Ideas 05:25: Show Introductions and Partners 06:30: Jessie and Melissa's Fun Session Story 09:37: Transition to Galen's Interview 11:02: Spirituality and Healing Discussion 20:15: Cultural Differences and Moving to Pittsburgh 28:15: Psychedelics and Consciousness People: Guest: Hosts: , Emily Foster, Melissa Milk Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati You can support the show at When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33226522

Bonus: S2 E15: "I Got a New Tattoo" by Galen Grace 10/08/2024

S2 E15: One Man's Play on Words, Life, and Skin with Galen Grace 10/07/2024

S2 E15: One Man's Play on Words, Life, and Skin with Galen Grace In this episode of "When We're Not Hustling," Jessie Sage interviews Galen Grace, a Pittsburgh-based tantric massage therapist and writer who shares his profound spiritual journey and life experiences, including a near-death health crisis, spiritual awakenings through plant medicine, and the integration of his spiritual practice into everyday life. Galen's spoken word performance recounts his transformative trips to the desert Southwest and his endeavor to recover from significant personal losses and health challenges. Throughout the discussion, Galen elaborates on his background in theater and writing, his transition to offering sacred touch professionally, and the impact of his spiritual practices on his resilience and well-being. He emphasizes the importance of integrating spiritual experiences into daily life and how these practices have helped him navigate physical and emotional trauma. The conversation concludes with Galen sharing his current reading list, music preferences, and his excitement for the future. In This Episode: 00:00:00: Introduction to "When We're Not Hustling" Podcast 00:02:44: October Guest Lineup Overview 00:05:04: Announcement of Live Event in Pittsburgh 00:08:06: Guest Introduction: Galen Grace 00:15:36: Galen Grace's Spoken Word Performance 00:34:30: Discussion on Spiritual Practices and Integration 00:53:22: Personal Health and Healing Journeys 01:06:18: Closing Remarks and Where to Find Galen Grace Guest: Galen Grace was born in Wisconsin, grew up in Massachusetts, and presently resides in Pennsylvania, but he lives wherever he happens to be at that moment, feels at home everywhere in the universe, and steps through almost any door that opens to him. He's worked in academic and professional theatre, published a pair of award-winning novels, and performed sacred, healing touch since 2014. You can find Galen: Website: X: Instagram: Recommendations: by Dacher Keltner by Julie Menanno The Rest: RSVP to The Holy Hour Book Launch Event in Pittsburgh on Oct 16: . Host: Producer: Emily Foster Music: Benjamin J Benamati Sponsor: Powered by When We're Not Hustling is a 501(c)(3) non-profit project of the . You can support our show with your tax-deductive donation . /episode/index/show/7d014c20-8ce9-41c7-b4db-259c05fb591f/id/33226207

S2 E14 AP: I Wrote a Ghost Story About the Dungeon That I Worked in for Years 10/02/2024

When We're Not Hustling: Sex Workers Talking About Everything But

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