Let Them Lead: The Child-Led Autism Podcast
Hosted by Nicole Casey, speech-language pathologist and founder of The Child-Led SLP, Let Them Lead is the go-to podcast for professionals and caregivers who want to support autistic kids with respect, trust, and connection. Each week, we explore child-led, neuroaffirming approaches to communication, play, and therapy—centered around the belief that autistic kids deserve communication partners who honor and support them holistically. Whether you're navigating gestalt language processing, AAC, sensory differences, or just want to break free from compliance-based systems, you're in the right place. You'll hear honest conversations, practical strategies, and plenty of real-life examples to help you unlearn old habits and confidently support the kids you love or work with. No behavior charts. No rigid protocols. Just curiosity, compassion, and the freedom to follow your autistic child's lead.
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11. Is 80% Accuracy the Best Way to Measure Autistic Students' Progress?
06/03/2025
11. Is 80% Accuracy the Best Way to Measure Autistic Students' Progress?
Join The Child-Led Collective as a Founding Member for only $20/mo: In this conversation, Nicole Casey discusses the complexities and challenges of writing effective therapy goals, particularly focusing on the common practice of measuring progress with 80% accuracy. She reflects on her personal struggles with goal writing and emphasizes the need for more meaningful and individualized goals that align with a child-led approach. The discussion encourages therapists to rethink traditional measurement methods and consider how they can better support their students' unique needs. In this conversation, Nicole Casey discusses the complexities of setting effective communication goals for children, particularly those with autism. She emphasizes the importance of meaningful, individualized goals that reflect authentic communication rather than rigid metrics. Nicole introduces the concept of using an Aligned Rubric to track progress in a more nuanced way, focusing on frequency and context rather than strict accuracy. She also announces the launch of the Child-Led Collective, a membership aimed at supporting professionals in child-led therapy practices. 80% accuracy is often misapplied in goal writing. Goals should be meaningful and individualized. Therapists often feel pressured to conform to traditional metrics. Child-led approaches require flexibility in goal measurement. Overthinking can hinder effective goal writing. Goals should reflect authentic communication, not just compliance. The history of 80% accuracy is rooted in tradition, not necessity. Vague goals can lead to less progress for students. Therapists need creative liberty to measure progress effectively. It's important to challenge the status quo in goal writing. It's important to lead by example in team discussions. Goals should reflect authentic communication, not just metrics. Communication success should not be solely based on word count. Goals need to be individualized for each child's needs. Research supports the need for meaningful, flexible goals. Using rubrics can help track progress in a child-led way. Rubrics allow for customization and creativity in goal setting. The Child-Led Collective will provide resources for professionals. You can measure growth in ways that honor student development. This podcast is reviewed by our team member, Meghann Beaton, who is an autistic adult. Meghann provides feedback and recommended edits priort to releasing our episodes to help ensure our content remains aligned with neuroaffirming principles and lived experience. We are deeply grateful for her insights, which continue to shape this space into one that centers safety, connection, and authentic communication.
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10. Child-Led Therapy is NOT Passive: How to Plan for Our Sessions
05/27/2025
10. Child-Led Therapy is NOT Passive: How to Plan for Our Sessions
Join The Child-Led Collective as a Founding Member for only $20/mo: In this conversation, Nicole Casey explores the intricacies of child-led therapy, emphasizing the importance of planning, active engagement, and the adult's role in creating a supportive environment. She clarifies misconceptions about child-led approaches being passive and highlights the need for intentionality and presence in therapy sessions. The discussion also covers practical strategies for preparing for sessions, including self-regulation and setting intentions, ultimately underscoring the significance of connection in therapeutic interactions. Takeaways: Planning in child-led therapy focuses on presence and intention. Child-led does not mean passive; it requires active engagement. The adult's role is crucial in guiding child-led sessions. Creating a supportive environment is key to successful therapy. Self-preparation is essential for effective therapy sessions. Setting intentions helps guide the therapeutic process. Balancing speaking and pausing enhances communication. Connection is foundational for effective therapy. Child-led therapy is about honoring the child's process, not just outcomes. This podcast is reviewed by our team member, Meghann Beaton, who is an autistic adult. Meghann provides feedback and recommended edits priort to releasing our episodes to help ensure our content remains aligned with neuroaffirming principles and lived experience. We are deeply grateful for her insights, which continue to shape this space into one that centers safety, connection, and authentic communication.
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[EXCLUSIVE] Shape the Future of Child-Led Therapy as a Founding Member!
05/26/2025
[EXCLUSIVE] Shape the Future of Child-Led Therapy as a Founding Member!
In this episode, Nicole Casey introduces the Child-Led Collective, a new membership aimed at providing support and resources for child-led professionals. She invites YOU to join as a founding member, for a limited time only, at the lowest price it will ever be ($20/month, no long term contract required). She emphasizes the importance of community, practical tools, and strategies to help members navigate the challenges of the upcoming school year with confidence and clarity. The membership offers unique features such as a custom GPT for personalized support, live Q&A sessions, and a collaborative environment for sharing ideas and resources. Takeaways: May can feel chaotic and overwhelming for many. The Child-Led Collective aims to provide support during this transitional time. Membership offers practical tools and strategies for professionals. Community engagement is a key component of the membership. Founding members will help shape the resources provided. The membership is designed to be user-friendly and accessible. Members will have access to a custom GPT for personalized advice. Live Q&A sessions will provide real-time support and insights. The membership is priced affordably at $20 a month for founding members. Joining now allows for preparation before the busy school year begins.
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9. Relationship Based Boundaries in a Child-Led Approach
05/20/2025
9. Relationship Based Boundaries in a Child-Led Approach
In this episode, Nicole Casey discusses the importance of establishing boundaries within child-led therapy. She explains how locking the toy closet in her clinic serves as a safety measure rather than a restriction, emphasizing that structure and safety can enhance a child's autonomy. The conversation explores the balance between child-led practices and necessary boundaries, highlighting that boundaries are essential for creating a safe and predictable environment for children. Nicole encourages listeners to reflect on their own practices and consider how boundaries can support both the child's needs and the therapist's well-being. Takeaways: Locking the toy closet is for safety, not restriction. Structure and safety enhance a child's autonomy. Child-led therapy requires establishing boundaries. Boundaries serve the relationship, not just control. Predictability is more meaningful than strict structure. Being child-led does not mean self-sacrificing. Boundaries help in co-regulating with children. Safety is the foundation of child-led therapy. Balance between structure and flexibility is crucial. Reflect on personal boundaries in therapy practices. This podcast is reviewed by our team member, Meghann Beaton, who is an autistic adult. Meghann provides feedback and recommended edits priort to releasing our episodes to help ensure our content remains aligned with neuroaffirming principles and lived experience. We are deeply grateful for her insights, which continue to shape this space into one that centers safety, connection, and authentic communication.
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8. Building Emotional Safety Through Co-Regulation
05/13/2025
8. Building Emotional Safety Through Co-Regulation
In this episode, Nicole Casey explores the concept of co-regulation, emphasizing its importance in supporting autistic children and fostering effective communication. She reflects on her personal experiences with dysregulation and how co-regulation has played a crucial role in her parenting and professional life. The discussion highlights the need for emotional safety and connection in the learning process, and how understanding co-regulation can transform interactions with children. Through a case study, Nicole illustrates practical strategies for implementing co-regulation in therapy settings. In this conversation, Nicole Casey discusses the importance of co-regulation in helping children, especially those with autism, manage their stress responses. She shares practical strategies for adults to regulate themselves first, which in turn helps children feel safe and connected. Through various examples, she emphasizes the need for understanding children's emotional states and using sensory support to facilitate better communication and connection. The conversation highlights the significance of modeling regulation and creating a safe environment for children to thrive emotionally and socially. Takeaways: Co-regulation is essential for successful interactions with autistic children. Dysregulation affects both children and adults, impacting learning and engagement. Emotional safety is a prerequisite for effective communication and learning. Co-regulation is a two-way street, requiring mutual support. Regulation is cumulative; ongoing co-regulation is necessary. Connection is vital for creating a safe environment for children. Dysregulation can manifest as behavioral issues, not just personal failures. Understanding co-regulation can enhance therapeutic practices. Personal experiences with dysregulation can inform professional approaches. Creating a supportive environment is crucial for both therapists and children. Co-regulation is essential for helping children feel safe. Understanding a child's stress response is crucial. Modeling calmness can help children regulate their emotions. Creating a safe environment reduces sensory overload. Adults must regulate themselves before helping children. Using sensory support is more effective than verbal commands. Lowering demands can help children feel more secure. Building trust through co-regulation fosters better relationships. Children often regulate through movement, not words. Establishing routines can enhance long-term regulation skills. Keywords: co-regulation, autism, therapy, emotional safety, communication, dysregulation, parenting, mental health, support strategies, learning, co-regulation, child development, stress response, emotional regulation, autism, sensory processing, parenting strategies, teaching techniques, mental health, connection
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7. When The Doubt Creeps In: Reframing "Imposter Syndrome"
05/06/2025
7. When The Doubt Creeps In: Reframing "Imposter Syndrome"
In this conversation, Nicole Casey delves into the complexities of imposter syndrome, sharing her personal experiences and insights on self-doubt, particularly in the context of therapy and professional growth. She emphasizes the importance of recognizing one's strengths, overcoming the comparison trap, and embracing authenticity. Through her journey, she highlights that everyone has their unique path and that self-acceptance is crucial for personal and professional fulfillment. Takeaways Imposter syndrome is a common feeling of self-doubt. Social media can amplify feelings of inadequacy. It's important to recognize that everyone has their own path. Comparison can lead to feelings of being less than others. Being messy or disorganized doesn't define your worth as a therapist. Flexibility and authenticity are strengths in therapy. You don't need to be perfect to make an impact. Self-acceptance is key to overcoming self-doubt. Your unique approach can resonate with those you serve It's okay to not have everything figured out. To learn more about Nicole, a Child-Led Approach, and to download our freebies, visit
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6. Gatekeeping AAC: Can Programming a Child's Device Be More Collaborative?
04/29/2025
6. Gatekeeping AAC: Can Programming a Child's Device Be More Collaborative?
To learn more about Nicole and download the freebies, visit In this episode, Nicole Casey discusses her unpopular opinion regarding AAC (Augmentative and Alternative Communication) and emphasizes the importance of personalization, motor planning, and empowering teams to engage with AAC devices. She challenges the notion that AAC programming should be left solely to specialists and advocates for a more inclusive approach that encourages collaboration among all team members. Nicole shares her experiences with a new student and highlights the significance of having a well-programmed AAC device that reflects the child's interests. She concludes by offering insights into her programming approach, which focuses on minor tweaks rather than extensive programming. In this conversation, Nicole Casey discusses the importance of personalizing AAC devices for children, emphasizing the need for individualized programming that reflects the child's preferences and relationships. She advocates for collaborative approaches to programming, utilizing technology for training and support, and establishing a point person for AAC programming within teams. Casey highlights the significance of empowering all team members to engage with AAC devices, ensuring that communication remains accessible and effective for children. Takeaways: Nicole believes that AAC programming should not be intimidating or exclusive to specialists. Personalization in AAC devices is crucial for effective communication. Motor planning is essential for AAC users to communicate efficiently. Empowering all team members to engage with AAC devices enhances communication. Celebrating small efforts in AAC programming can lead to significant progress. The traditional specialist model can create barriers to AAC access. Understanding a child's interests can guide effective AAC programming We are not gatekeepers, we're guides. Programming doesn't need to be all by one person. If you loved today's episode, please subscribe to the podcast and leave us a 5 star review so others can find us! This podcast is reviewed by our team member, Meghann Beaton, who is an autistic adult. Meghann provides feedback and recommended edits priort to releasing our episodes to help ensure our content remains aligned with neuroaffirming principles and lived experience. We are deeply grateful for her insights, which continue to shape this space into one that centers safety, connection, and authentic communication.
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5. Rethinking Joint Attention: Supporting Autistic Kids Without Forcing Neurotypical Engagement
04/22/2025
5. Rethinking Joint Attention: Supporting Autistic Kids Without Forcing Neurotypical Engagement
Enjoying the podcast? Leave a kind review to help others find this show :) To learn more about Nicole or download freebies, read blog, and dive into our courses and workbooks, visit This conversation delves into the concept of joint attention, particularly in the context of autistic children. Nicole Casey discusses how traditional views on joint attention often overlook the diverse ways in which autistic children engage and communicate. She emphasizes the importance of understanding joint attention as a shared experience rather than a set of behaviors to be taught. The discussion also critiques the use of strategies like sabotage, advocating instead for a child-led approach that fosters trust and connection. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the significance of engagement and the need to adapt our understanding of communication to better support autistic individuals. This podcast is reviewed by our team member, Meghann Beaton, who is an autistic adult. Meghann provides feedback and recommended edits priort to releasing our episodes to help ensure our content remains aligned with neuroaffirming principles and lived experience. We are deeply grateful for her insights, which continue to shape this space into one that centers safety, connection, and authentic communication.
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4. Is Movement the Key to Communication for Autistic Kids?
04/15/2025
4. Is Movement the Key to Communication for Autistic Kids?
Get 15% off The Informed SLP Subscription from now through 4/30 with code CHILDLED Download the FREE Movement Guide ! To learn more or to connect with Nicole, visit: In this episode, Nicole Casey explores the intersection of neuroscience and autism, particularly focusing on the concept of embodied learning. She emphasizes the importance of movement in the learning process for autistic students, arguing that traditional methods of requiring stillness can hinder their ability to engage and communicate. Nicole shares personal experiences and practical strategies for incorporating movement into educational settings, highlighting the need for a child-led approach that respects individual sensory needs. The episode concludes with a call to rethink how movement is integrated into learning, advocating for a more holistic understanding of communication and connection. Takeaways: Embodied learning emphasizes a whole body approach to learning. Movement is essential for autistic students to feel safe and engaged. Traditional methods of requiring stillness can be counterproductive. Allowing children to lead in movement can enhance learning. Movement should be integrated throughout the day, not just as breaks. Play should include gross motor activities that promote connection. Modeling language during movement is more effective than interrupting play. Creating a safe environment for movement fosters trust and communication. Rethinking classroom rules can benefit autistic students' learning. Trust is foundational for communication to develop. This podcast is reviewed by an autistic adult, Meghann Beaton, to help ensure our content remains aligned with neuroaffirming principles and lived experience. We are deeply grateful for her insights, which continue to shape this space into one that centers safety, connection, and authentic communication.
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3. Feeling Judged for Your Child-Led Approach? Here's How to Navigate Criticism With Confidence and Compassion!
04/08/2025
3. Feeling Judged for Your Child-Led Approach? Here's How to Navigate Criticism With Confidence and Compassion!
In this episode, Nicole Casey shares her experiences of being questioned and criticized in her child-led approach to therapy for autistic students. She discusses the challenges she faced early in her career, the importance of flexibility in therapy, and how to stand up for your methods. Nicole emphasizes the value of a child-led approach, the need for confidence in your methods, and how to respond to pushback with compassion. She encourages listeners to trust themselves and their approaches, even when faced with criticism. Takeaways When trying something new, expect to be questioned. Flexibility in therapy can lead to better engagement. It's important to stand up for your approach. Not everyone will agree with your methods. Building confidence takes time and experience. Understanding different perspectives can help in discussions. A child-led approach is effective and valuable. Responding to criticism with compassion is key. Trust yourself and your methods. You don't need to convince everyone of your approach. To learn more, visit: This podcast is reviewed by an autistic adult, Meghann Beaton, to help ensure our content remains aligned with neuroaffirming principles and lived experience. We are deeply grateful for her insights, which continue to shape this space into one that centers safety, connection, and authentic communication.
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2. Feeling Drained? Here's Why You Don't Have to Actually Be "On" All The Time!
04/01/2025
2. Feeling Drained? Here's Why You Don't Have to Actually Be "On" All The Time!
Download the FREE guide to understanding how you show up for your autistic students ! In this conversation, Nicole Casey discusses the challenges faced by speech therapists, particularly when working with autistic students. She highlights the performative nature of therapy sessions, where therapists feel the need to entertain and engage students at a high energy level. Nicole emphasizes the importance of authentic communication and co-regulation, advocating for a shift away from performance-based interactions to more genuine connections that allow for natural communication. She shares personal experiences and insights on how to better meet the needs of students without the pressure of constant performance. Takeaways: Being a speech therapist can feel like a chaotic performance. Real progress in therapy is not about exhaustion. Communication should feel natural, not performative. Engagement with autistic students doesn't always require high energy. Therapists often feel pressured to be productive in every session. Silence can be a productive part of therapy. Authenticity leads to better communication outcomes. Co-regulation is key to connecting with students. Meeting students where they are enhances engagement. Therapy should focus on building connections, not entertaining. Here's the reel posted by @practicallyspeeching on instagram that made me laugh: Visit my website to learn more, check out freebies, and explore courses and downloads:
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1. What to Do When Your Autistic Students Aren't Making Progress
03/25/2025
1. What to Do When Your Autistic Students Aren't Making Progress
In this conversation, Nicole Casey discusses the challenges faced by parents and professionals in supporting autistic children, particularly when traditional therapy methods fail to yield meaningful progress. She shares personal experiences and emphasizes the importance of understanding the unique communication needs of autistic individuals. The discussion highlights the limitations of compliance-driven therapy models and advocates for a shift towards child-led and neuroaffirming approaches that prioritize connection and engagement. Nicole also identifies common mistakes in therapy delivery and offers practical strategies for creating a supportive environment that fosters meaningful communication and progress. takeaways It's common to feel like your efforts aren't working. Social media can create unrealistic expectations for therapists. Traditional therapy strategies often don't support meaningful communication. Child-led and play-based approaches can be more effective. Therapy should focus on the child's interests and needs. Setting meaningful goals is crucial for progress. Dysregulation can hinder learning and communication. Multimodal communication should be recognized and honored. Creating a safe and low-pressure environment is essential. Small shifts in approach can lead to significant improvements. To learn more, visit
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All things AAC with Rachel Madel, SLP
03/18/2025
All things AAC with Rachel Madel, SLP
GRAB YOUR FREE TICKET TO THE PLAY CONFERENCE HERE: In this conversation, Rachel Madel discusses the evolution and current state of Augmentative and Alternative Communication (AAC). She emphasizes the increased awareness and accessibility of AAC, the importance of starting AAC early, and the need for collaboration among clinicians and parents. The discussion also highlights the challenges faced in assessments and the advocacy required for children to access AAC devices. Rachel encourages clinicians to empower themselves and others in the field to utilize AAC effectively and to advocate for their students' communication needs. This conversation delves into the complexities of Augmentative and Alternative Communication (AAC) learning, emphasizing the importance of patience, modeling language, and understanding the intentions behind children's use of AAC devices. The speakers share personal anecdotes and insights on how to effectively support children in their communication journey, highlighting the need for building connections and relationships among parents, educators, and therapists. They also discuss upcoming projects aimed at enhancing AAC resources for various audiences. Key Takeaways: AAC is becoming more accessible and widely recognized. The importance of starting AAC early cannot be overstated. Clinicians should feel empowered to trial AAC without being specialists. Collaboration among professionals is crucial for successful AAC implementation. Parents play a vital role in advocating for their child's AAC needs. Assessment processes need to be more thorough and individualized. Motivation is key in assessing a child's readiness for AAC. There is no perfect AAC system; consistency is what matters. Gatekeeping access to AAC is a significant issue that needs addressing. Communication needs are complex and require a team approach. AAC learning takes time, often longer than expected. Parents should be patient and allow exploration with AAC devices. Modeling language is crucial for effective communication. It's important to create opportunities for meaningful language use. Understanding the child's intent can improve AAC usage. Creating positive experiences with AAC can enhance engagement. Future resources for AAC will cater to parents and educators. To learn more from Rachel Madel, visit her here: Website: Instagram: Rachel's AAC Courses:
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Ditching Rewards and Honoring Intrinsic Motivation with Emily Byers Chaney, The ND Affirming SLP
03/11/2025
Ditching Rewards and Honoring Intrinsic Motivation with Emily Byers Chaney, The ND Affirming SLP
Register for the FREE Play Conference here: In this episode of the Great Language Partner podcast, Nicole and Katja welcome Emily Byers Chaney, a speech-language pathologist, to discuss the importance of a neurodiversity-affirming approach in therapy. They explore the concepts of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation, the significance of understanding Gestalt language processing, and the impact of reward systems on autistic learners. The conversation emphasizes the need for therapists and parents to focus on the child's interests, autonomy, and the creation of engaging learning environments to foster genuine motivation and connection. To Connect with Emily: Visit her website: Follow on instagram:
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The 3 Freedoms of Child-Led Play with Nicole Casey
03/04/2025
The 3 Freedoms of Child-Led Play with Nicole Casey
Register for the FREE Play Conference here: In this episode, Nicole Casey discusses the significance of child-led play in supporting autistic children. She differentiates between child-led and play-based therapy, emphasizing the importance of intrinsic motivation and the child's experience. Nicole introduces the concept of the 'three freedoms' of play: the freedom to choose, change, and end, and how these principles can enhance therapeutic practices. She also shares practical strategies for identifying children's interests and fostering meaningful engagement through play. Takeaways Child-led play focuses on the child's interests and motivations. Play-based therapy is often misrepresented as simply having toys available. The three freedoms of play are essential: to choose, change, and end. Intrinsic motivation is crucial for genuine play experiences. Play should not be dictated by adult expectations or structures. Understanding a child's unique play style is vital for effective support. All play is valid, regardless of how it looks to adults. Therapists should adapt their approaches to honor the child's experience. Engagement in play can reveal deeper interests and motivations. Redefining play can lead to more meaningful interactions with autistic children. To Download the 3 Freedoms Visual and other helpful freebies, visit:
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Understanding The Double Empathy Problem featuring Jamie Burch, SLP
02/25/2025
Understanding The Double Empathy Problem featuring Jamie Burch, SLP
In this episode, Jamie Burch, a neurodiversity affirming speech language pathologist, discusses the importance of understanding the double empathy problem in supporting autistic individuals. The conversation explores how traditional approaches to speech therapy can inadvertently harm autistic children by enforcing masking and non-preferred communication styles. Jamie emphasizes the need for a shift in perspective, advocating for authentic communication and the importance of educating both neurodivergent and neurotypical individuals to bridge the empathy gap. The episode highlights the significance of listening to autistic voices and the role of parents and educators in fostering an inclusive environment. Key Takeaways: Understanding the double empathy problem is crucial for effective communication. Community engagement can help bridge the gap in understanding autism. Masking can be harmful. Therapists should focus on affirming the unique communication styles of autistic individuals. Education about autistic culture is essential for neurotypical individuals. Social language therapy should not be deficit-based but rather affirming. Listening to autistic voices is vital for effective support. Follow Jamie on instagram: Check out these articles ASHA articles written by Jamie: To visit Jamie's website: To learn more about supporting autistic kids, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: Visit Nicole's website: The Great Language Partner Workbook is here! Use code PODCAST at checkout for a discount! Visit Katja's website: neurodiversity, double empathy problem, speech therapy, autistic communication, inclusion therapy, AAC devices, social language, masking, advocacy, education
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What Is PDA and How Can We Best Support PDAers, with Jessie Mewshaw, SLP
02/18/2025
What Is PDA and How Can We Best Support PDAers, with Jessie Mewshaw, SLP
On todays show we get to chat with Jessie Mewshaw. Jessie is a speech-language therapist serving kids from 18 months through 18 years in Chapel Hill, NC. She has worked in early intervention, the public schools & clinical settings during her ten years in practice. Jessie is passionate about serving neurodivergent clients & has focused her work on gestalt language, PDA & AAC. She is a dedicated life-long learner with emphasis on learning from the communities she serves. Jessie is also the owner of the consultative business, Diverge Services, where she provides trainings, education & consultative services on all things neurodiversity. Jessie is a late diagnosed ADHDer & parent to two wonderful neurodivergent children. In today's conversation, we talk about PDA and our role in supporting PDAers as SLPs: What is PDA PDA vs normal avoidance of demands that all children experience What IS a “demand” (reframing it as an expectation) Neuroception and how it relates to PDA Signaling safety when interacting with autistic kids Supporting balances of power to avoid Equalizing behavior Accommodations we can provide to PDA kids What is the SLPs role in working with PDA kids? To learn more about Jessie Mewshaw: Follow her on instagram: Visit her website: To learn more about supporting autistic kids, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: Visit Nicole's website: The Great Language Partner Workbook is here! Use code PODCAST at checkout for a discount! Visit Katja's website:
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Neuroaffirming Speech Therapy with Jessie Ginsburg (The Sensory SLP) and Chris Wenger (Speech Dude)
02/11/2025
Neuroaffirming Speech Therapy with Jessie Ginsburg (The Sensory SLP) and Chris Wenger (Speech Dude)
In this episode, Katja and Nicole talk with Jessie Ginsburg (The Sensory SLP) and Chris Wenger (Speech Dude) about all things sensory regulation and communication, and how understanding our autistic students holistically is a key part of neuroaffirming care. Check out the links below to learn more about Jessie and Chris and their many amazing programs and resources: Follow on Instagram: and Jessie's Website: Ready, Set, Connect on Amazon: Chris's website: Neuroaffirm Therapy Academy: To learn more about supporting autistic kids, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The Great Language Partner Workbook is here! Use code PODCAST at checkout for a discount!
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Understanding and Prioritizing Regulation with Nikki Smit, Neurodivergent OT
02/06/2025
Understanding and Prioritizing Regulation with Nikki Smit, Neurodivergent OT
In today’s show Nicole and Katja welcome guest Nikki Smit, (She/Her) Neurodivergent OT and founder of Project Play. This episode starts with talking about what occupational therapy is and how it can help autistic kids. Nikki then dives into what the term “regulation” really means, and what is doesn’t mean. Nikki also discusses the importance of accommodating autistic students through practices of dysregulation awareness, understanding the sensory systems for regulation, respecting all forms of communication, and treating autistic kids with respect and value. Nikki’s Instagram: Amazon link for Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain: Amazon Link for Conversations With a Rattlesnake: To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The Great Language Partner Workbook is here! Use code PODCAST at checkout for a discount!
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Actually Autistic Perspectives on the Language Development Experience with Atreus and Frey
12/17/2024
Actually Autistic Perspectives on the Language Development Experience with Atreus and Frey
In this episode, Katja is joined by two of her best friends, Frey (he/him) and Atreus (they/them). They are both autistic adults and share reflections on their unique experiences with language development as autistic children, as well as insight gained from supporting their autistic child with language and emotional regulation. Listen to Atreus’ music : Autism Level Up resources: Avenlur link: code bohospeechie to save Pokpok link: Katja’s website: Katja’s Instagram: Unmasking Autism: Discovering the New Faces of Neurodiversity by Dr. Devon Price: Supporting Transgender Autistic Youth & Adults by Finn V Gratton LMFT LPCC
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Playtime with Tor: A Youtube Channel for GLPs by Victoria Matkowski, SLP
12/10/2024
Playtime with Tor: A Youtube Channel for GLPs by Victoria Matkowski, SLP
In this episode of the Great Language Partner podcast, Tor, a pediatric SLP, shares her journey in creating the YouTube channel 'Playtime with Tor,' which focuses on supporting Gestalt Language Processors (GLPs). The conversation delves into the differences between analytic and gestalt language processing, the importance of modeling language, and the strategies used in her videos to effectively engage GLPs. The hosts discuss the significance of songs in language development, the nuances of language modeling, and the need for repetition and emotional language. Tor encourages parents to embrace singing as a tool for communication and shares resources available for further support. Takeaways: Tor has been a pediatric SLP for 13 years and created 'Playtime with Tor' to support GLPs. The channel was inspired by the need for content tailored to Gestalt Language Processors. Modeling phrases rather than single words is crucial for GLPs. Songs are an effective way to engage GLPs and support language development. Repetition and redundancy in language modeling help children retain language. Emotional language and intonation are important for GLPs. Fill-in-the-blank strategies can create prompt dependency if overused. Every child is unique, and strategies should be tailored to individual needs. Parents are encouraged to sing and incorporate songs into routines. To Connect with Tor: Tor's Website: Newsletter sign up to gain access to free resource library: Instagram: Youtube: To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The Great Language Partner Workbook is here! Use code PODCAST at checkout for a discount! Avenlur Link code BOHOSPEECHIE:
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Supporting Hyperlexic Gestalt Language Processors with Dyan Robson, Hyperlexia Educator and Coach
12/03/2024
Supporting Hyperlexic Gestalt Language Processors with Dyan Robson, Hyperlexia Educator and Coach
In this episode, Katja and Nicole discuss supporting hyperlexic gestalt language processors with Dyan Robson. Dyan is a fierce advocate for her two boys and passionate about all things hyperlexia and autism. She's an avid book reader, lifelong learner, and former piano teacher. She likes Toad as her Mario Kart driver and prefers to listen to audiobooks and podcasts at 3x speed. Her idea of a perfect lunch is nachos. You can frequently catch her saying, "It's Dyan, not Dylan. There's no L," which might also explain her blog's unusual name of "And Next Comes L"... Katja, Nicole, and Dyan discuss: what is hyperlexia, the overlap of hyperlexia/autism/GLP, how to support hyperlexic learners at home or clinically, and more. To Connect with Dyan: Dyan’s Website: Dyan’s IG : Free Hyperlexia Handbook: Free Hyperlexia Quiz: To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The Great Language Partner Workbook is here! Use code PODCAST at checkout for a discount! Avenlur Link code BOHOSPEECHIE:
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BONUS: Affirmations for Parents and Professionals Supporting GLPs
11/26/2024
BONUS: Affirmations for Parents and Professionals Supporting GLPs
This is a quick episode to express how thankful we are for you! Take a few minutes to reflect on these affirmations and remind yourself of what an incredible job you are doing as you help your GLP on their communication journey. To learn more about The GLP Workbook for parents and professionals, visit: *Use code PODCAST for an extra discount at checkout!
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Supporting Motor Planning in Autistic Kids with Erin Clarelli, OT
11/26/2024
Supporting Motor Planning in Autistic Kids with Erin Clarelli, OT
In this conversation, Erin Clarelli, an occupational therapist, discusses the importance of understanding motor planning, apraxia, and dyspraxia in supporting autistic individuals, particularly those who are non-speaking or minimally speaking. She emphasizes the need to presume competence in these individuals and the role of motor coaching in helping them navigate their challenges. The discussion also covers the interconnectedness of motor skills and communication, the impact of dyspraxia on behavior, and the importance of collaboration between occupational therapists and speech therapists. Erin shares practical strategies for supporting children with dyspraxia and highlights the significance of understanding the whole body in the context of communication and motor planning. Key Takeaways: Presuming competence is crucial when working with non-speaking autistic individuals. Motor coaching can help individuals execute motor plans more effectively. Dyspraxia often leads to a disconnect between intention and action. Understanding apraxia and dyspraxia is essential for effective support. Motor loops can be both soothing and dysregulating for autistic individuals. Collaboration between OTs and speech therapists enhances support for autistic children. Standardized testing may not accurately reflect the abilities of non-speaking children. The whole body must be considered in communication and motor planning. Feedback from individuals is vital for tailoring support strategies. Resiliency and growth mindset are important in therapy. To learn more about Erin: Social Media: Websites: and OT Impact Freebie: --- To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The Great Language Partner Workbook is here! Use code PODCAST at checkout for a discount!
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A Step-By-Step Guide to Supporting Early GLPs with Nicole Casey
11/19/2024
A Step-By-Step Guide to Supporting Early GLPs with Nicole Casey
The Great Language Partner Workbook will be here on 11/25/2024!! Want to pre-order your copy of this amazing digital resource? Use code PODCAST at checkout for 5% off of your total! Get the workbook here:
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Neurodiversity Affirming Speech Therapy Goals with Amy Zembriski, SLP
11/19/2024
Neurodiversity Affirming Speech Therapy Goals with Amy Zembriski, SLP
In this episode, Katja is joined by Amy Zembriski, a speech therapist who specializes in gestalt language as well as AAC. Amy and Katja discuss neurodiversity affirming goal writing. They share thoughts about what makes a goal neurodiversity affirming, IEP accommodations that might support neurodiversity affirming goals, joint attention looks different for autistic kids (and why most joint attention goals are harmful) as well as what good ones can look like, avoiding prompt dependency and creating self agency. The Neurodiversity Affirming Goal Bank for SLPs by Amy Zembriski: *Use code NICOLE at checkout for 10% off! Follow Amy on Instagram: Avenlur Link code BOHOSPEECHIE: -- To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The GLP webinars, handbooks, and more by Katja:
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Intro to Natural Language Acquisition and the Stages of Gestalt Language Development
11/12/2024
Intro to Natural Language Acquisition and the Stages of Gestalt Language Development
In this episode, Katja and Nicole give an introduction to gestalt language, what it means to be a gestalt language processor, and the Natural Language Acquisition (NLA) stages. The Gestalt Iceberg Visual PDF: Avenlur Link code BOHOSPEECHIE: To Learn More About Gestalt Language Processing: To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The GLP webinars, handbooks, and more by Katja: Topics: neurodiversity affirming speech therapy, gestalt language processing, AAC, echolalia, child-led therapy, holistic therapy, language development, autism
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Trauma Informed Feeding and Mealtime Literacy with Erin Forward
11/12/2024
Trauma Informed Feeding and Mealtime Literacy with Erin Forward
In today’s episode, Katja and Nicole are joined by Erin Forward. Erin is a speech therapist and certified lactation consultant at a children’s hospital. She has advanced training in pediatric feeding disorders, early language, AAC, and trauma, specifically for medically complex children. She is also a DIR floor time provider and a TBIR trained practitioner. Erin is a regular cohost of the First Bite podcast with Michelle Dawson. On top of all of that, Erin also educates other therapists on trauma informed feeding therapy in her course: Nourishing Connections. You can sign up now for her winter cohort at the link below! In this episode we discussed her idea of mealtime literacy, trauma informed therapy, the emotional aspects of feeding, Erin’s 3 C’s of feeding therapy (comfort, connection, curiosity), what to look for in trauma vs. not trauma informed therapy, dealing with the stress of your child not eating, medical diagnosis that might underlie feeding challenges, and more. Erin shared some serious knowledge in this episode and we can’t wait for you to hear it. First Bite podcast on Apple Podcasts: Erin Forward’s IG: Erin Forward's website: Nourishing Connections course: Avenlur Link code BOHOSPEECHIE: To Learn More About Gestalt Language Processing: To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The GLP webinars, handbooks, and more by Katja:
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Becoming Neurodiversity affirming with Cari Ebert
11/05/2024
Becoming Neurodiversity affirming with Cari Ebert
In today’s show, Nicole and Katja discuss becoming a neurodiversity affirming practitioner with Cari Ebert, (She/Her). Cari Ebert, MS, CCC-SLP, is a pediatric speech-language pathologist in private practice in the Kansas City, Missouri area. She received her bachelor’s degree from the University of Iowa in 1993 and her master’s degree from Southern Illinois University at Carbondale in 1995. Cari is a therapist, consultant, author, product developer, and nationally recognized speaker who gets paid to do what she loves most—TALK! She has an animated personality, and this translates to a high-energy speaking style. Most importantly, Cari has an Autistic son, allowing her to engage audiences both as a professional and as a parent of a neurodivergent child. Katja, Nicole, and Cari discuss the neurodiversity affirming movement, becoming an ND-affirming therapist, and what that means. Cari also discusses the experiences she had when her son was diagnosed with autism in 2007 and offers her perspectives both as an allistic ally and parent as well as a credentialed professional and leading expert in her field. This episode provides a dynamic and radically affirming perspective on some of the most essential areas of speech language pathology in need of reform in order to reduce harm and empower autistic students and their parents in their journeys to access more affirming care. Communication Bill of Rights: TO LEARN MORE ABOUT CARI EBERT, VISIT HER WEBSITE: Cari Ebert’s Website: To Learn More About Gestalt Language Processing: To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The GLP webinars, handbooks, and more by Katja: The GLP Course by Nicole, for parents and professionals supporting gestalt language processors: Topics: neurodiversity affirming speech therapy, gestalt language processing, AAC, echolalia, child-led therapy, holistic therapy, language development, autism
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Life with Apraxia of Speech: Jordan LeVan Shares His Lived Experience
10/29/2024
Life with Apraxia of Speech: Jordan LeVan Shares His Lived Experience
In today’s show Nicole and Katja welcome guest and friend of the pod Jordan Levan, (He/Him) an apraxia, disability, and mental health advocate, to discuss his lived experiences of growing up with childhood apraxia of speech. He describes the life long speech disorder and helps to dispel some of the commonly misunderstood conceptions about apraxia of speech as well as the neurological differences between his form of apraxia and others that are acquired later in life. Jordan also describes the physical and mental exhaustion that folks with this form of apraxia experience and is supported in these experiences by Katja and Nicole from a clinical standpoint throughout the episode. To learn more about Jordan LeVan, visit his website: Follow Jordan on Instagram: Check out Jordan's books: To Learn More About Gestalt Language Processing: To learn more about gestalt language processing, as well as access Nicole and Katja's resources, courses, and more, visit our websites: The GLP webinars, handbooks, and more by Katja: The GLP Course by Nicole, for parents and professionals supporting gestalt language processors: Topics: apraxia, childhood apraxia of speech, speech therapy, gestalt language processing, AAC, echolalia, child-led therapy, holistic therapy, language development, autism
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