Industry Relations
This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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You down with CCP?
04/23/2025
You down with CCP?
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg examine how changes to MLS rules, especially around delayed marketing and the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP), are impacting portals, broker strategies, vendors, and the broader real estate ecosystem. They also explore the implications of the Rocket-Redfin merger, challenges for MLS public-facing websites, and what the new data policy landscape means for technology providers. Key Takeaways • Portal Impact of CCP Changes – Rob and Greg analyze how platforms like Zillow, Redfin, Realtor.com, and Homes.com are adapting to rule changes. • Delayed Marketing and Public Portals – Discussion of how CCP affects MLS public-facing websites, particularly HAR and UtahRealEstate.com. • Vendor Challenges with VOW Feeds – Vendors may need to shift from IDX to VOW feeds, which are more costly and complex to implement. • Rocket-Redfin Merger – Examination of how Rocket’s acquisition of Redfin could reshape brokerage models and mortgage integration. • Enforcement Variability – Insights into how different MLSs may interpret and enforce delayed marketing and cooperation rules. • Broker Website Tech – Consideration of how IDX and VOW data will influence broker sites and lead generation strategies moving forward. Connect with Rob and Greg Rob’s Website Greg’s Website Our Sponsors: Cotality Notorious VIP The Giant Steps Job Board Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios sunboundstudios.com
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Who's Your Daddy?
04/16/2025
Who's Your Daddy?
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg react to Zillow’s announcement that listings violating the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) will no longer be allowed on its platform. They discuss how this move could impact private exclusives, delayed marketing strategies, and the role of major brokerages like Compass and eXp. They also explore how this policy could affect MLS governance and whether Zillow’s position signals a shift in industry power. Key Takeaways Zillow’s CCP Policy Enforcement – Listings that violate CCP by being publicly marketed before entering the MLS will be banned from Zillow. Impact on Compass’s Strategy – The change could limit Compass’s three-phase marketing model and influence future iterations. eXp’s Public Support – Zillow’s announcement included backing from eXp, raising questions about why other brokerages didn’t join. MLS Power and Governance – Discussion on how Zillow’s move challenges the authority of MLSs that have their own coming soon policies. Consumer Impact and Transparency – Debate over how the policy affects sellers, buyers, and the perceived openness of the listing marketplace. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Does Size Matter?
04/09/2025
Does Size Matter?
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg analyze the latest developments in the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) and its impact on brokerages, MLSs, and the industry at large. They also discuss how exclusive inventory strategies are reshaping competition, the DOJ’s scrutiny of MLS policies, and what these shifts could mean for agents and consumers moving forward. Key Takeaways • Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) Developments – Updates on how MLSs and brokerages are adjusting to changes in CCP and what’s next. • Exclusive Inventory Strategies – How brokerages are leveraging private listings to gain a competitive edge. • DOJ’s Focus on MLS Rules – The Department of Justice’s position on CCP and how it could impact industry regulations. • Brokerage Competition and Market Power – The role of large firms in shaping listing practices and potential consequences for smaller brokers. • Future of the Real Estate Marketplace – What shifts in policy and competition could mean for agents, buyers, and sellers. Watch Us on Links: Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Clear as mud
04/02/2025
Clear as mud
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg break down the big news about the Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) and what its potential changes could mean for the future of real estate. They discuss the DOJ’s ongoing investigation into NAR, the evolving landscape of MLS policies, and how major brokerages are responding. With key shifts on the horizon, they explore what these developments mean for agents, brokers, and the industry at large. Key Takeaways • Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP) Under Fire – What the latest updates mean for listing practices and market transparency. • DOJ vs. NAR – Ongoing legal scrutiny and potential implications for how real estate operates. • MLS Policy Changes – How the rules around listing distribution may evolve and what it means for competition. • Brokerage Adaptation – How leading firms are adjusting to the shifting regulatory and policy landscape. • Industry Power Shifts – The role of leadership changes and legal actions in reshaping the real estate ecosystem. Resources Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Has the fat lady sung on CCP?
03/26/2025
Has the fat lady sung on CCP?
**This podcast was recorded the Friday BEFORE the announcement from NAR on CCP** In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dissect the latest drama surrounding NAR’s Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP), the DOJ’s stance on MLS rules, and the future of PropTech in a shifting real estate landscape. They analyze how recent DOJ statements are being interpreted (or misinterpreted), debate whether the MLS still holds power over large brokerages, and discuss the potential consequences of a fragmented listing system. Key Takeaways • DOJ’s Footnote Controversy: Did the DOJ “call out” misleading claims about CCP, or is the industry reading too much into a footnote? • The Power Struggle Over MLS Data: Rob argues large brokerages are taking control over listing distribution, while Greg questions whether MLSs still provide enough value to keep them in check. • The PropTech Dilemma: What happens to tools like CMAs, reverse prospecting, and analytics when listings become fragmented across private networks? • Compass’s Playbook: Is Compass leading the charge toward a new listing system, or just using exclusive listings as a leverage play? • Enforcement vs. Policy: Greg insists MLS rules work because agents police each other, while Rob questions whether large firms can simply ignore the rules with no real consequences. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Organized Real Estate's Head Spinning Week
03/19/2025
Organized Real Estate's Head Spinning Week
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg break down three major real estate bombshells—the rumored Compass acquisition of Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices (BHHS), the Redfin-Rocket merger, and the potential shake-up of NAR’s Clear Cooperation Policy (CCP). They discuss whether Compass is actually in talks with BHHS or if this is just Wall Street speculation, how Redfin and Rocket could disrupt the brokerage model, and why NAR might be making CCP optional to dodge legal liability. Key Takeaways • Compass x BHHS Rumors: Wall Street Journal reported that Compass was acquiring BHHS—but BHHS CEO Gino Blefari strongly denied it. So what’s the truth? • The Redfin-Rocket Power Move: Why Rocket’s mortgage empire could turn Redfin into Zillow’s biggest competitor—and how Respa exemptions give them an edge. • NAR’s CCP Shake-Up: Is NAR making CCP optional just to shift legal liability onto MLSs? Rob and Greg debate whether this is NAR’s “race to irrelevance.” • Does Warren Buffett Want Out of Real Estate?: If BHHS is actually up for sale, what does that say about the future of traditional brokerages? • How the MLS Landscape Could Change: If MLSs get to decide CCP for themselves, will we see regional MLS battles over compliance and cooperation? Be the first to see the new app, Tuesday! Register Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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More questions than answers
03/13/2025
More questions than answers
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle three major industry shake-ups: Gary Keller selling a stake in Keller Williams, REX losing its lawsuit against NAR and Zillow, and the launch of a new NAR alternative, AREA, by Mauricio Umansky and Jason Haber. They debate what these moves mean for the future of real estate, the ongoing battle over commission structures, and whether the DOJ’s real target is the MLS monopoly. If you’re looking for sharp analysis with a side of sarcasm, this episode delivers. Key Takeaways • Keller Williams Goes Private Equity: Gary Keller sells a stake to Stone Point Capital—what does this mean for KW’s future and private equity’s role in real estate? • The Death of REX?: REX loses its lawsuit against Zillow and NAR. Was this just a bad case, or is the DOJ preparing to take a bigger swing? • AREA’s New MLS Policy: Mauricio Umansky and Jason Haber’s new NAR alternative introduces a Clear Collaboration Policy—but is it just a repackaged CCP? • DOJ’s Real Endgame: Rob argues that the Department of Justice doesn’t care about commission lawsuits—it’s after MLS monopolies. • The Free Market MLS Debate: Should agents have multiple MLS options? Greg and Rob debate the risks and rewards of breaking up the monopoly. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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The Duel over Dual Agency
03/05/2025
The Duel over Dual Agency
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the controversy surrounding dual agency, private networks, and the MLS’s role in protecting small brokers. They break down the industry’s long-standing acceptance of brokerage-level dual agency while questioning why teams are getting a pass. Plus, they debate whether Compass’s push to double-end deals is just standard brokerage strategy—or an attempt to reshape the industry. If you want unfiltered takes on where real estate is headed, this episode is for you. Key Takeaways • Is Brokerage Dual Agency Bad? Rob argues that the industry has historically supported it—so why the sudden outrage? • The Compass Controversy: Greg and Rob discuss whether Compass is playing the same game as everyone else or trying to blow up the MLS for its own benefit. • The Team Dual Agency Dilemma: Should teams be held to a different standard? Rob questions why brokerages get a pass but teams don’t. • MLS Protection for Small Brokers: Rob suggests the MLS has always been designed to protect smaller brokerages—should that continue? • The Future of Private Listings: If brokers create exclusive networks, will they face lawsuits—or is that just scare tactics? Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Let Freedom Ring!
02/26/2025
Let Freedom Ring!
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg break down the latest in the ongoing battle over NAR’s three-way agreement and how Phoenix Realtors’ recent compromise with NAR might reshape the industry. They explore whether this is a true win for NAR or just the beginning of a major shift, debating the rise of the “Freedom Plan” and how it could spread across the country. With bold predictions, deep industry insights, and a fair amount of sarcasm, this episode is a must-listen for anyone keeping an eye on real estate governance. Key Takeaways • Phoenix Realtors’ “Compromise”: Did they cave to NAR, or did they find a way to rewrite the rules on their own terms? • The Freedom Plan vs. Realtor Membership: How the rebranded “Non-Member MLS Access” could be the start of a larger movement. • Will Other Associations Follow?: If Phoenix can do it, why wouldn’t Scottsdale and other local associations jump on board? • State Associations’ Next Move: Will Arizona Realtors create their own version of the Freedom Plan to retain members? • Is the Three-Way Agreement Dead?: Rob argues that this move could mark the beginning of the end for NAR’s traditional membership structure Inman News: Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Live from the Virtual MLS Summit its Rob and Greg!
02/19/2025
Live from the Virtual MLS Summit its Rob and Greg!
Overview In this special live episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg broadcast from the Virtual MLS Summit, where they tackle one of the biggest questions in real estate today: What does “cooperation” mean in a post-settlement world? They explore how the industry’s shift away from compensation impacts the role of MLSs, debate the long-standing relationship between brokerages and associations, and challenge whether MLSs should truly be considered “broker cooperatives.” This episode is packed with bold insights, historical context, and plenty of Rob vs. Greg fireworks. Key Takeaways • The Evolution of Cooperation: With compensation no longer tied to MLS participation, what does cooperation actually mean now? • MLS Governance and Broker Control: If MLSs are broker cooperatives, why are associations still making the rules? • The Fiduciary Duty Dilemma: Can cooperation exist when agents owe full fiduciary duties to their clients? • The Government’s Potential Role: If the industry doesn’t self-regulate effectively, will federal regulators step in and take over? • Lessons from Global Real Estate: Why other countries envy the U.S. MLS system—and what we risk losing if we dismantle it. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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What to do about Zombies
02/12/2025
What to do about Zombies
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into one of the most heated debates yet—was NAR’s fight for survival a necessary battle, or did it do more harm than good? They analyze the fallout from the settlement, discuss the rise of leaders like Michelle Harrington who are ditching corporate-speak for real talk, and debate whether NAR should have surrendered years ago to avoid the lawsuits entirely. Key Takeaways • Michelle Harrington’s Blunt Truths: The First Team CEO calls the settlement “bulls***,” and Rob and Greg love her authenticity. • Corporate-Speak vs. Real Talk: Why real estate leaders should ditch the PR fluff and embrace straight-shooting communication. • The $2 Billion Club Controversy: Why independent brokerages feel abandoned and how the settlement exposed them to legal threats. • Should NAR Have Surrendered in 2018? Rob argues they could have avoided everything if they had just given in earlier. Greg pushes back. • Zombie Members or Hostages? Rob says NAR fought to protect dues from disengaged agents. Greg insists they were an opportunity, not a liability. Inman story on FirstTeam CEO, Michelle Harrington; " Todd Carpenter's LinkedIn post on Rob Substack, Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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MLS Reset Recap
02/05/2025
MLS Reset Recap
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg recap Greg’s recent MLS Reset conference and dive into key industry insights. They discuss governance reform, competition between MLSs, data sharing agreements, and bold ideas for innovation in the real estate world. From pitch battles for tech innovation to thought-provoking commentary on leadership, this episode offers plenty of takeaways for industry professionals. Key Takeaways • MLS Reset Conference Recap: Greg shares highlights, including impactful presentations by Brian Boero, Michael Wurzer, and Curt Beardsley, Ben Graboske, who challenged the industry to embrace optimism. • Governance Reform: Rob emphasizes the importance of reducing board sizes and increasing nimbleness • Data Sharing and Competition: Rob and Greg debate whether MLSs should compete on services, price, and tech while maintaining data-sharing agreements. • Source MLS Branding: A conversation on Michael Wurzer’s Source MLS concept as a trusted, transparent data brand. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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It ain't over yet
01/15/2025
It ain't over yet
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg navigate the fallout from key legal decisions and the broader implications for the real estate industry. They analyze the Supreme Court’s denial of NAR’s cert petition, its potential effects on DOJ actions, and how shifting dynamics—such as commission lawsuits and housing market pressures—might reshape the landscape. The conversation also previews upcoming events and industry challenges that will define the next chapter of real estate. Key Takeaways • Supreme Court Denies NAR’s Petition: What this decision means for DOJ’s antitrust investigations and future legal battles. • Commission Lawsuits Continue: Why the litigation isn’t over and what could come next, including potential first-time homebuyer class actions. • DOJ’s Goals: Rob and Greg speculate on what the Department of Justice ultimately wants for the real estate industry, including reducing transaction fees. • Housing Market Pressures: Rising costs, insurance challenges, and inventory shifts, including their impact on rentals and sales. • Upcoming Events: The MLS Reset Conference and the first-ever Industry Relations live stream scheduled for February 7th. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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I Can't Make You Love Me
01/08/2025
I Can't Make You Love Me
In this thought-provoking episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg explore the seismic changes shaking up the real estate world as Phoenix Realtors challenge the NAR three-way agreement. They delve into the implications of member-driven value propositions, whether NAR can reinvent itself, and the ongoing debate over what truly inspires and retains Realtor memberships. The conversation is a deep dive into the challenges and opportunities ahead for the industry. Key Takeaways • Phoenix Realtors’ Bold Move: The Phoenix Association’s MLS Choice Program creates a potential watershed moment, questioning the viability of NAR’s three-way agreement. • Membership Value Propositions: Rob and Greg discuss the importance of offering concrete benefits to agents versus relying solely on advocacy or inspiration. • NAR’s Leadership Challenge: Speculation on whether high-profile leadership, such as a celebrity figure, could transform NAR’s narrative and mission. • The Future of Realtor Memberships: Exploring voluntary membership models and the need for NAR to rethink its approach to retaining and attracting agents. • Big Questions for 2025: What does it take for an agent to see NAR membership as a must-have in a post-Phoenix world? Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Rob and Greg look ahead to 2025
01/01/2025
Rob and Greg look ahead to 2025
In this final episode of the year, Rob and Greg deliver their predictions for 2025, exploring how the real estate industry will evolve. They tackle everything from transaction volumes and mortgage rates to the fate of MLSs and the potential unraveling of the three-way agreement. Along the way, they discuss societal trends, like the importance of community and the role associations can play in bringing people together, while reflecting on industry dynamics and the future of key players like Realtor.com and Compass. Key Takeaways • Predictions for 2025: Rob and Greg forecast transaction numbers, mortgage rates, home prices, and the biggest M&A moves. • The Fate of MLSs: Discussion on whether MLSs will remain relevant or adapt to changing times. • Unraveling the Three-Way Agreement: The potential impact of associations like Phoenix breaking away from NAR. • The Importance of Community: Inspired by the book Bowling Alone and the documentary Join or Die, they discuss how associations can evolve to foster better connections. • Major Industry Moves: Speculation on Realtor.com’s next big acquisition and predictions around mergers like Bright MLS and Stellar MLS. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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2024 ORE Year End Recap
12/25/2024
2024 ORE Year End Recap
In this Industry Relations episode, Rob and Greg reflect on the pivotal events of 2024, dubbing it “The Year of the Settlement.” They analyze the seismic shifts in real estate, including the impact of high-interest rates, low inventory, NAR’s declining influence, and the ripple effects of major lawsuits. The duo also previews what these changes could mean for 2025 and beyond, setting the stage for a new era in real estate. Key Takeaways • 2024: A Year of Change: Why the settlement and other industry events signal the dawn of Real Estate 3.0. • NAR’s Decline: The fallout from scandals and lawsuits has shifted perceptions of NAR as an industry powerhouse. • Housing Market Woes: High-interest rates and inventory challenges persist, affecting transactions and industry morale. • The CCP Debate: Controversy surrounding Clear Cooperation Policy continues to evolve, with implications for the future of MLSs. • Compass’s Moves: The acquisition of @properties and its strategy around private exclusives sparks debate. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Choking on NAR's Kielbasa
12/18/2024
Choking on NAR's Kielbasa
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle the latest controversies surrounding NAR and the recent investigative article from The New York Times. They debate the role of lobbying, explore accusations of corruption and financial mismanagement, and reflect on the broader challenges facing NAR’s leadership and reputation. Key Takeaways • NAR and Lobbying Controversy: Discussion on how NAR funnels money to political groups through entities like the American Property Owners Alliance (APOA). • The “Woke vs. Conservative” Debate: Examining NAR’s conflicting image as both progressive and a supporter of conservative causes. • Transparency Issues: Why NAR’s approach to handling controversies feels “astroturfy” and the need for more open dialogue with members. • Organizing Homeowners: The untapped potential of grassroots homeowner advocacy and how it could reshape lobbying strategies. • PR Missteps: Criticism of NAR’s traditional PR playbook and a call for leadership to adopt more authentic communication strategies. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Supply, Demand and Deregulation with Professor Bryan Caplan
12/11/2024
Supply, Demand and Deregulation with Professor Bryan Caplan
Overview In this special episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg welcome economist and author Professor Bryan Caplan to discuss his latest book, Build Baby Build: The Science and Ethics of Housing Regulation. The trio dives into the housing crisis, exploring how deregulation could address affordability, inequality, and other societal issues. Bryan’s insights challenge conventional thinking, offering bold solutions for the future of housing. Key Takeaways • Core Argument: Bryan argues that excessive housing regulations have driven up costs, stifled innovation, and exacerbated inequality, advocating for widespread deregulation. • The 50% Reduction Claim: Deregulation could halve housing prices nationwide by enabling construction and reducing bureaucratic hurdles. • NIMBYism and Local Politics: Local resistance to development, often driven by fear and misinformation, remains a significant barrier to solving the housing crisis. • Economic and Social Benefits: Lower housing costs could address issues like inequality, mobility, and declining birth rates, while also improving quality of life. • Role of Realtors: Real estate professionals and associations could play a pivotal role in advocating for deregulation to increase housing supply and affordability. Watch Us on Check out Bryan's amazing graphic novel: Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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Understanding both sides of the housing market
12/04/2024
Understanding both sides of the housing market
Episode Summary: In this episode, Rob and Greg tackle the latest developments in the housing market and its broader implications for real estate professionals. From dissecting the DOJ’s recent moves to exploring how transactions and home prices define market strength, the duo brings sharp insights and engaging commentary to these critical topics. Discussion Highlights: • DOJ’s Statement of Interest: What it means for buyer agreements and competition in the real estate market. • Market Metrics Debate: Rob questions whether housing market health should be based on transactions and sales volume rather than just home prices. • Affordability and Transactions: The ongoing challenges of affordability and declining transaction volumes in shaping the housing landscape. • Broker Challenges: Navigating regulatory uncertainties and adapting to evolving DOJ scrutiny. • Future Predictions: Speculating on the DOJ’s next steps and potential impacts on real estate practices. Key Takeaways: • The DOJ aims to promote competition, with specific attention on transparency and buyer agreements. • Home prices and transaction volumes tell different stories about market strength. • Brokers and agents face significant uncertainty as they adapt to legal and market changes. • The need for consumer awareness and transparency remains central to the evolving real estate industry. Watch us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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What the DOJ’s recent Statement of Interest really means for real estate
11/27/2024
What the DOJ’s recent Statement of Interest really means for real estate
Episode Summary: In this timely episode In this timely episode (recorded Monday, November 25), Rob and Greg dive deep into the DOJ’s recent statement of interest in the Burnett settlement. They break down the key points raised, including the potential antitrust concerns surrounding the requirement for buyers to sign agreements before home tours and the broader implications for real estate brokers and agents. The discussion highlights: • The DOJ’s clarification that compliance with the NAR settlement does not shield brokers or agents from future antitrust actions. • Concerns about how the buyer agreement provision could stifle competition and negatively impact consumers. • Speculation on the DOJ’s broader strategy and its potential impact on real estate practices, including commissions and agent-broker dynamics. • The challenges brokers face in navigating conflicting legal and regulatory signals. Key Takeaways: • Brokers and agents must carefully navigate the evolving legal landscape, balancing compliance with the settlement and potential DOJ actions. • The DOJ’s intervention signals its readiness to continue scrutinizing real estate practices, including beyond the terms of the settlement. • Transparency and adaptability will be critical for real estate professionals moving forward. Watch us on Vendor Alley: Rob’s Substack: Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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The knowns and unknowns of NAR leadership decisions
11/20/2024
The knowns and unknowns of NAR leadership decisions
In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg dive into the latest developments in the real estate world, focusing on leadership, membership dynamics, and the challenges facing NAR in 2024. They engage in a spirited debate about leadership priorities, assessing Nykia Wright’s tenure as CEO, and what it takes to steer an organization during turbulent times. Key Takeaways • Leadership Dynamics: A breakdown of the responsibilities and criticisms of Nykia Wright’s first year as CEO of NAR. • Membership Retention: Insights into how NAR has managed to retain members despite controversies and lawsuits. • Strategic Decisions: Examining the impact of the $2 billion broker club’s fallout and the decisions leading up to it. • Action vs. Inaction: Rob and Greg debate what constitutes effective leadership and the significance of visible actions vs. behind-the-scenes work. • Surveys & Communication: The role of member surveys and communication in understanding and addressing organizational challenges. Watch Us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: Production and Editing Services by
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And they all fall down...
11/13/2024
And they all fall down...
Greg just landed back home from NAR Boston and Rob is curious to what insights he learned. Greg’s main insight is that he isn’t as young as he once was. 1. Election Impact on Real Estate: • Rob and Greg delve into the recent election results, exploring how potential changes in government could impact HUD and real estate policies. • Debate on the future leadership of HUD and the potential impacts on the industry. 2. National Association of Realtors (NAR) Conference Recap: • Greg shares insights from the recent NAR conference, touching on the atmosphere post-election and key sessions he attended. • Discussion about attendee sentiment, especially regarding political and economic concerns within the real estate industry. 3. MLS (Multiple Listing Service) & CCP Discussions: • The episode dives deep into the complexities of MLS structures, with Greg suggesting a “domino effect” that could lead to significant industry shifts if CCP (Clear Cooperation Policy) and co-mingling rules were altered. • Speculations on Zillow’s role in the MLS space, its motivations, and how upcoming changes might benefit or challenge existing MLS structures. 4. NAR’s Controversial Communication: • The hosts criticize NAR’s handling of sensitive topics, including CCP discussions, arguing for more transparency and authenticity in its public communications. 5. MLS Independence and Potential Changes: • Rob and Greg discuss the possibility and challenges of MLS organizations operating independently of NAR. • Debate around whether separating from NAR could lead to more effective and regionally responsive MLS services. 6. Event Announcements: • Promotion of the upcoming “” in Arizona (January 2025), organized by Greg and colleagues, aimed at exploring the future of MLS and real estate industry evolution and the Clariety25 Conference in February. Watch us on ! Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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Industry Relations Podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds?
11/06/2024
Industry Relations Podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds?
Episode Overview Rob and Greg explore how the upcoming election could reshape the real estate industry, focusing on regulatory impacts, DOJ actions, and antitrust issues. They also discuss potential changes to industry practices and transparency in agent behavior. Key Topics 1. Election Predictions: • Friendly wager on election outcomes, with predictions on how results could shift real estate policies, especially through DOJ and FTC actions. 2. Antitrust Settlement and NAR Challenges: • Tanya Monestier’s objections to the recent antitrust settlement, highlighting concerns over consumer confusion and potential loopholes that could benefit attorneys over consumers. 3. Future of Industry Regulation: • Speculation on how political shifts might influence NAR’s regulatory environment and broker responsibilities. • The potential for new, transparent compensation practices led by industry figures like James Dwiggins. 4. Ethics and Agent Behavior: • Debate over real estate agent intentions, balancing consumer interests with profit motives, and the industry’s response to Monestier’s critiques. Key Takeaways • Election’s Influence on Real Estate: Election outcomes may bring regulatory changes, with possible implications for NAR and antitrust enforcement. • Transparency and Trust in Agent Practices: Increased focus on clear buyer agreements and ethical practices to protect consumer trust. Watch Us on YouTube Our Sponsors Production and editing services by:
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Endless Opportunities with Jack Miller of T360
10/30/2024
Endless Opportunities with Jack Miller of T360
Overview: Rob and Greg talk with Jack Miller, CEO of T360, about the recently released “Opportunity Report” and its significance for the real estate industry. The discussion focuses on how real estate leaders can navigate current challenges and seize opportunities in the face of regulatory changes, declining transaction volume, and industry consolidation. Key Topics: 1. The Opportunity Report: • A newly released report from T360, available for free at . • Provides a 100-page analysis of risks and opportunities in the real estate industry. • Includes insights from over 50 industry leaders on how to approach challenges in the current market. 2. The Role of the MLS: • Jack emphasizes the importance of the MLS as a marketing and data platform, even without mandatory compensation rules. • MLS consolidation is expected, with strong MLSs providing more value to their users. 3. Legal and Regulatory Pressures: • The real estate industry is under scrutiny from the DOJ and faces multiple lawsuits. • These challenges present an opportunity for brokerages and MLSs to innovate and improve transparency. 4. Future of Associations: • Jack discusses the potential for separating MLS and Realtor associations and restructuring governance. • Associations need to adapt and provide more value beyond just MLS access to remain relevant. 5. Opportunities in a Challenging Market: • Jack urges leaders to lean into change and view the current market as a chance to innovate and grow. • The report highlights that companies that embrace change during tough times can emerge stronger. Watch us on Reach Out: Jack Miller on Download the Opportunity Report at . Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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Canned Spam
10/23/2024
Canned Spam
In the latest episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg venture into a thought-provoking discussion about disaster preparedness and self-reliance. While they typically focus on real estate, this episode broadens the scope, offering practical insights on how to be ready for unexpected emergencies like natural disasters or social unrest. Rob, who has fully embraced the prepper lifestyle, breaks down the importance of planning for short-term disasters, emphasizing the need for essential supplies like water, food, and basic medical skills. Rather than “bugging out” or fleeing, he encourages listeners to “bug in” — stay at home and rely on their community to survive. He also highlights the critical role of knowing your neighbors, as they can become your greatest resource in a crisis. This episode offers valuable advice on building self-sufficiency, from securing food and water to handling emergency situations and even touches on the significance of physical fitness during a crisis. Greg engages Rob with questions that bring out relatable and practical tips for urban and suburban listeners alike. Whether you’re curious about survival strategies or just want to hear some down-to-earth insights on real-world preparedness, this episode is packed with useful takeaways. Watch us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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The Industry Needs To Stop Fronting
10/17/2024
The Industry Needs To Stop Fronting
It seems everyone in the industry is still obsessed with CCP. Rob and Greg are no different. The show starts off with Rob giving Greg some advice on his upcoming client meetings, but quickly shifts to the recent back and forth about CCP. Greg thinks that industry players like Compass CEO Robert Reffkin to stop spreading misinformation about MLS. Rob says there is blame on both sides. Things get interesting from there. Watch us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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Whadup with dat PDAP?
10/09/2024
Whadup with dat PDAP?
Many people don't know or understand NAR's PDAP. PDAP stands for Participant Data Access Policy. And PDAP is at the heart of today's episode. Rob and Greg dive deep into the topic of who actually owns MLS data. The answer, as it turns out, really depends on who you ask. But we’re living in a new world where private MLS ownership is becoming a reality, and also what are those second order consquences? Greg also catches up with Rob about Rob's meetings with brokers and their opinions on MLS data ownership—spoiler alert: they think they do. It’s a thought-provoking discussion that may raise more questions than answers. Watch us on Rob's latest Substack : South Park Human Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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Tales from the Road
10/02/2024
Tales from the Road
After missing a recording last week (due to travel schedules) the boys are back with another jammed pack episode of Industry Relations. In this week’s episode Rob and Greg discuss recent Blueprint conference in Las Vegas, CMLS 2024 in Seattle and REColorado new subscriber agreement. And they sprinkle a little CCP talking points just for good measure. Watch us on ! Pictures of Greg’s sister, Pilar, Pictures of HousingWire post on Greg’s take on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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CCP Musings
09/20/2024
CCP Musings
On this episode of Industry Relations Rob and Greg discuss, for what seems to be the 17th time, the current rumors about the Clear Cooperation Policy. Rob recently on the subject and a few solutions to what seems to have the entire industry tied up in knots. What they soon realize, there are no easy answers. Watch us on ! Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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Reading the tea leaves too early and what may be coming next
09/11/2024
Reading the tea leaves too early and what may be coming next
Rob and Greg are back to their regularly scheduled broadcast! The episode includes discussion on Landian, the new , yes, that Sitzer. Rob discusses his recent Sub Stack post on “” and how we shouldn’t read too much in to how things are going with the NAR settlement. The boys also discuss online dating, new business models, capitalism and agent count. But somehow they bring it all together. Watch us on Connect with Rob and Greg: Our Sponsors: This podcast is produced by
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