Stories from the Field: Mental Health and the Outdoors
Stories from the Field: Mental Health in the Outdoors is an authoritative and enlightening podcast that explores the vast landscape of mental health therapies in outdoor settings. Hosted by seasoned mental health professional Dr. Will White, the podcast offers deep insights into outdoor therapies like Adventure Therapy, Eco-Therapy, Wilderness Therapy, and Experiential Therapy, among others. Dr. White engages with a diverse range of guests, including leading researchers, practitioners, authors, executive directors, guide staff, mental health clinicians, and critics, helping to shed light on the nuances of these unique therapy practices. In addition to exploring the modern implications of these evolving therapeutic modalities, he delves into their rich history, providing a holistic perspective for listeners. With over 30 years of experience at the juncture of mental health and outdoor environments, Dr. White's expertise is unparalleled. As a co-founder of the pioneering Summit Achievement, an adventure therapy program based in Maine, he has been a guiding force in the field since the 1990s. His scholarly contributions include the book "Stories from the Field: A History of Wilderness Therapy" and a chapter in "Adventure Therapy: Theories, Research, and Practice." His doctorate work, "Stories from the Elders: Chronicles and Narratives from the Early Years of Wilderness Therapy," traced the origins and evolution of this specialized field. To connect with Dr. White, visit storiesfromthefield.com. Listen to this immersive podcast to understand the power and potential of outdoor therapies in addressing mental health concerns.
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248: Confronting Challenges in Wilderness Therapy: A Conversation with Derek Daley
10/15/2024
248: Confronting Challenges in Wilderness Therapy: A Conversation with Derek Daley
In this episode Will reconnects with Derek Daley, co-founder of and a seasoned professional with over 25 years in wilderness therapy. Derek shares how Legacy has evolved since its inception in 2012, focusing on adults aged 18 to 35. He discusses their unique approach of combining epic adventure therapy—such as canyoneering, rock climbing, and skiing in southern Utah—with strong clinical practices to create meaningful and effective treatment experiences and a hybrid model of residential treatment and outdoor adventures. Derek highlights the importance of engaging clients who choose to participate willingly, which enhances the therapeutic process and outcomes. The conversation delves into the broader changes and challenges within the wilderness therapy field, including increased scrutiny, the impact of technology and screen time on young adults, and the closure of several programs. Derek addresses criticisms of wilderness therapy by advocating for greater transparency, accountability, and the need to demonstrate measurable outcomes. He emphasizes that despite challenges, wilderness therapy remains one of the most compassionate and effective forms of treatment. Derek also shares his passion for engaging the next generation of mental health professionals through initiatives like the upcoming 2025 HIP (Healing in Progress) Tour to college campuses.
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247: Surviving the Storms: Insights into the Shifting Landscape of Wilderness Therapy
10/08/2024
247: Surviving the Storms: Insights into the Shifting Landscape of Wilderness Therapy
In the opening episode of Season 21, host Will White delves into the significant transformations occurring within the wilderness therapy field for adolescents and young adults, paralleling them with the impacts of climate change on our environment. He reflects on the "Great Collapse" between 2007 and 2010, when the number of wilderness therapy programs dramatically decreased due to economic pressures from the Great Recession. Drawing striking parallels to recent events, Will discusses how the closure of seven wilderness therapy programs in the last two years mirrors that earlier contraction, signaling a new period of challenge and change in the field. He also explores how these challenges echo those faced by longstanding outdoor organizations like the Boy Scouts of America, NOLS, and Outward Bound, highlighting how declining enrollments, controversies and technology have impacted the broader outdoor experiential field. Despite challenges like increased operational risks, changing market demands, and heightened public scrutiny, some programs have demonstrated remarkable resilience and continue to adapt to the evolving landscape. Will announces that this season will feature interviews with leaders from enduring programs to explore how they've navigated these challenges and what they envision for the future of outdoor behavioral healthcare. Emphasizing the importance of stepping away from screens and engaging with the real world, he encourages listeners to embrace the outdoors as a powerful platform for mental health treatment. The episode sets the stage for a season focused on adaptation, resilience, and the ongoing impact of wilderness therapy on young lives.
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246: Overcoming Anxiety: Dr. Alison LaFollette on ERP and Outdoor Therapy Integration
09/30/2024
246: Overcoming Anxiety: Dr. Alison LaFollette on ERP and Outdoor Therapy Integration
In this episode Will sits down with Dr. Alison LaFollette, the Clinical Director of . Alison shares her journey from conducting neuropsychological evaluations in several of Utah's wilderness therapy programs to leading the clinical team at Mountain Valley. She discusses the integration of Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP) therapy with outdoor experiential activities at Mountain Valley, highlighting how natural settings like the Zen Garden, farm, outdoor climbing wall and hiking trails enhance therapeutic outcomes for adolescents and young adults struggling with anxiety and OCD. The conversation delves into the rising levels of social anxiety among young people, the impact of the pandemic on mental health, and the importance of family involvement in treatment. Alison also explores the similarities between ERP and adventure therapy, emphasizing the value of taking committed action in accordance with one's values. She reflects on the challenges facing behavioral healthcare organizations, including staff burnout and program sustainability, offering insights into how Mountain Valley addresses these issues. The episode concludes with Alison sharing how she utilizes the outdoors for her own mental well-being and her excitement about future innovations at Mountain Valley, such as expanding experiential components and fostering team synergy.
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245: From Wilderness Therapy to Empowerment: Hayley Caddes' Journey with Not Therapy Coaching
09/17/2024
245: From Wilderness Therapy to Empowerment: Hayley Caddes' Journey with Not Therapy Coaching
In this episode Will talks with Hayley Caddes, co-founder of about her powerful personal journey through wilderness therapy and an all-girls therapeutic boarding school. Hayley shares how these experiences inspired her to help others who have gone through treatment, creating a unique coaching model that fills the gap between traditional therapy and the support needed to thrive in everyday life. She discusses how peer mentorship, structure, and community play pivotal roles in recovery and growth after treatment. Hayley also addresses the controversies surrounding wilderness therapy and the closures of the programs she attended, taking a business-minded approach to understanding the challenges faced by the industry. She reflects on how successful programs are, those that not only offer quality care but also adapt to the evolving mental health landscape. From selling her first startup, Chill Pill, to running Hayley’s story is one of empowerment, recovery, resilience, and entrepreneurial spirit. Tune in to learn how wilderness therapy shaped her path and how she is paying it forward to others on their mental health journeys.
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244: Wilderness Therapy for Addiction Recovery: JD and Amber’s Story
09/10/2024
244: Wilderness Therapy for Addiction Recovery: JD and Amber’s Story
In this powerful episode Will speaks with JD and his mother, Amber, as they recount their powerful journey through wilderness therapy. JD opens up about the struggles that led him down a dangerous path of substance abuse, starting as a teen during the COVID-19 pandemic. Amber shares the difficult decision to send JD to a wilderness therapy program in Utah, and how the experience not only saved his life but transformed their family. Together, they discuss the challenging process of recovery, manipulation, and ultimately the breakthrough that wilderness therapy provided. As September is National Recovery Month, this episode highlights the healing potential of wilderness therapy for addiction and mental health recovery. JD and Amber's story is a testament to the life-changing impact of being in nature, far from the destructive influences of modern life. Their conversation touches on the urgent need for support, as many wilderness therapy programs are closing despite their success in helping young people recover from addiction.
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243: Saving Lives: How Wilderness Therapy Can Help People Struggling with Addiction and How the Harlan Serenity Foundation is Helping
09/03/2024
243: Saving Lives: How Wilderness Therapy Can Help People Struggling with Addiction and How the Harlan Serenity Foundation is Helping
In this deeply moving episode Will sits down with Melissa and Graham Squier, founders of the Harlan Serenity Foundation. This foundation, created in memory of their late son, Chris Squier, supports young people struggling with addiction by providing access to wilderness therapy programs. The interview takes a poignant turn when Will realizes he had interviewed Chris back in 2020, unaware that Chris would later lose his battle with addiction. This realization, combined with the ongoing closures of critical wilderness therapy programs, makes for an emotional conversation about the profound impact of wilderness therapy on those struggling with addiction. Melissa and Graham share Chris’s journey—from his initial struggles with addiction to finding sobriety through wilderness therapy, and later becoming a field guide to help others on the same path. They discuss the creation of the Harlan Serenity Foundation, its mission, and the importance of keeping wilderness therapy programs alive in a time when they are needed more than ever. This episode is a testament to the healing power of nature and the enduring legacy of those who have benefited from it.
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242: Transforming Wilderness Therapy: Insights from Dr. Denise Mitten on Emotional Safety and Ethics of Care
08/20/2024
242: Transforming Wilderness Therapy: Insights from Dr. Denise Mitten on Emotional Safety and Ethics of Care
In this episode Will talks with Dr. Denise Mitten, a pioneering figure in outdoor education, adventure, and wilderness therapy. Denise shares her journey from her early days in the 1970s, overcoming gender barriers in a male-dominated field, to co-founding the influential Woodswomen organization, which focused on emotional safety and support in outdoor programs. Throughout the conversation, Denise discusses the evolution of outdoor therapy emphasizing the importance of creating safe, relational environments rather than relying on stress-based models. Her insights into the ethics of care, the role of women in the field, and the shift towards eco-psychology offer listeners a profound understanding of how wilderness experiences can foster deep personal growth and healing. Denise also reflects on the importance of relational connection in outdoor programs, critiquing the traditional "power over" models often seen in wilderness therapy. She advocates for a more deliberate and thoughtful approach to risk-taking, where the focus is on maintaining comfort and regulation rather than pushing participants beyond their limits. Her teachings challenge the field to embrace inclusivity, sustainability, and a deeper connection with nature, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of outdoor therapy and education.
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241: Redefining Wilderness Therapy: The Crossroads Discovery Approach
08/13/2024
241: Redefining Wilderness Therapy: The Crossroads Discovery Approach
In this episode Will talks with Sheldon Nelson, founder of and a veteran of the wilderness therapy field. Sheldon discusses the inspiration behind Crossroads Discovery, a program that bridges the gap between traditional wilderness therapy and ongoing support for adolescents and their families. He highlights the unique approach of offering short-term wilderness immersion experiences that emphasize not only survival skills but also personal growth and self-discovery. Sheldon shares how the program evolved to meet the needs of families seeking continued guidance after their children completed the wilderness programs, integrating in-home coaching and nature-based activities into their everyday lives. Sheldon also reflects on his extensive career, including his years at Anasazi Foundation, one of the oldest wilderness therapy programs for adolescents in the country. He emphasizes the importance of focusing on a change of heart over mere behavior modification and how this philosophy underpins the work at The episode offers a deep dive into the current state of wilderness therapy, its challenges, and its potential future, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in the field of adolescent mental health and outdoor experiential therapy.
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240: Wilderness Therapy Success Stories: Andy Benckart’s Transformation and Path to Social Work
08/06/2024
240: Wilderness Therapy Success Stories: Andy Benckart’s Transformation and Path to Social Work
In this episode, Will talks with Andy Benckart, a former wilderness therapy participant whose transformative journey has led him to pursue a master's degree in social work. Andy shares how his time in wilderness therapy helped him confront and process deep-seated anxiety and trauma, giving him the clarity and tools needed to rebuild his life. Through a technique referred to as brainspotting and the guidance of a compassionate therapist outdoors, Andy discovered new strengths within himself, setting him on a path toward helping others. Reflecting on his experiences as both a participant and later as a staff member in a young adult residential treatment program in Maine, Andy offers a nuanced perspective on the benefits and challenges of wilderness therapy and residential treatment. He discusses the importance of being ready for change, the value of outdoor experiences in mental health recovery, and his commitment to using his journey to support others in similar situations. Andy also shares how surfing in Maine has helped him to be the best version of himself. This episode is a powerful testament to the healing power of nature and the potential for personal growth through mental health treatment in the outdoors.
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239: From “Troubled Teen” to Transformative Mentor: Ciara Fanlo's Journey through Wilderness Therapy
07/23/2024
239: From “Troubled Teen” to Transformative Mentor: Ciara Fanlo's Journey through Wilderness Therapy
In this episode Will talks with Ciara Fanlo, founder of , to discuss her transformative journey from a “troubled teen” to a dedicated mentor for adolescents. Ciara opens up about her personal struggles with depression, anxiety, and self-harm, and how wilderness therapy played a pivotal role in her recovery. She candidly addresses the pros and cons of teen treatment programs, highlighting how these experiences have deeply informed her approach to mentoring. Ciara shares how her time in wilderness therapy provided new perspectives and coping mechanisms, while also acknowledging the challenges and shortcomings she faced in therapeutic boarding school. These insights have shaped , her mentoring program that focuses on understanding the unique needs of teenagers. By combining her personal experiences with professional training, Ciara offers tailored support to help teens navigate their emotional landscapes, build healthy relationships, and find a sense of purpose. This episode offers a nuanced look at the impact of teen treatment programs and the importance of compassionate mentorship.
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238: Adventure Therapy Innovations with Kim Sacksteder and Nick Magle-Haberek
07/09/2024
238: Adventure Therapy Innovations with Kim Sacksteder and Nick Magle-Haberek
In this episode Will welcomes Kim Sacksteder and Nick Magle-Haberek from to share their story. Discover how they have expanded their training and supervision programs, emphasizing safety, clinical efficacy, and the integration of outdoor activities into therapeutic practices. Kim and Nick discuss their journey from initial training sessions to becoming leading voices in adventure therapy, providing invaluable resources and training to clinicians across the country. Whether you're a mental health professional or someone interested in the transformative power of nature, this episode is packed with inspiration and practical insights. We delve into the core components of adventure therapy training and certification, offering listeners a comprehensive overview of what it takes to incorporate these methods into their practice. From the significance of proper assessment and risk management to the unique challenges and rewards of working in outdoor settings, Kim and Nick provide a wealth of knowledge and experience. Tune in to hear about a collaboration with Prescott College, their published works, and their vision for the future of adventure therapy. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from two of the most dedicated professionals in the field.
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237: Climbing Mount Moosilauke: Therapy, Adventure, and Personal Triumph
06/18/2024
237: Climbing Mount Moosilauke: Therapy, Adventure, and Personal Triumph
In this week’s episode Will sits down with Zack Shaffer, executive director of , to discuss their recent hike up Mount Moosilauke. They recount the challenging Memorial Day hike with ten residents and adventure coordinator TJ Bauman, exploring the profound physical and emotional benefits of outdoor adventures in addressing anxiety. The episode delves into exposure therapy, adventure therapy, and the therapeutic effects of nature, highlighting how these experiences foster personal growth and resilience. Zack also shares a deeply personal story about the significance of the day, marking the anniversary of a close friend's passing, adding an emotional and reflective layer to the conversation. Zack uses this episode to emphasize the center's mission of helping adolescents and young adults overcome anxiety and related disorders through innovative therapeutic practices. He discusses the importance of creating opportunities for residents to step outside their comfort zones and embrace challenges, reinforcing the center's commitment to fostering an exposure-based lifestyle. Zack's heartfelt narrative and dedication to mental health advocacy resonate throughout the episode, making it a compelling listen for anyone interested in the transformative power of therapy and nature. This compelling conversation between Zack and Will offers listeners valuable insights into the intersection of mental health treatment and the outdoors.
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236: Healing in Nature: David Segal and Bonnie Dyck on Nature-Based Therapy
06/11/2024
236: Healing in Nature: David Segal and Bonnie Dyck on Nature-Based Therapy
In this episode, Will welcomes David Segal and Bonnie Dyck from the . They dive deep into their journeys into nature-based therapy, sharing how personal experiences and a profound connection to the natural world led them to the field. David discusses the systemic and experiential approach of Human Nature Counselling, emphasizing the importance of reconnecting individuals and families with nature to foster mental health and well-being. Bonnie elaborates on the comprehensive training programs they offer, designed to equip therapists with the skills needed to integrate nature into their practice effectively. Listeners will gain insight into the transformative power of nature-based therapy through heartwarming stories of clients who have found healing and growth through their unique approach. From reducing anxiety in children to helping adults overcome trauma, David and Bonnie illustrate how their methods bridge the gap between human and ecological systems. They also discuss the future of their work, highlighting their commitment to accessibility, community collaboration, and supporting indigenous initiatives that reconnect people with their ancestral lands. This episode is a testament to the profound impact of nature on mental health and the innovative ways Human Nature Counselling is leading the field. David Segal is also the co-author of the book, Nevin Harper, co-author of Nature-Based Therapy: A Practitioner’s Guide to Working Outdoors with Children, Youth, and Families is also mentioned in this episode, and he had previously been on this podcast. Katie Asmus, from the Somatic Nature Therapy Institute, is also mentioned in this episode and has previously been on this podcast. Here is a link to a pdf of an article mentioned in this episode
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235: Thriving After Wilderness Therapy: Colin MacDonald's Path to Not Therapy
06/04/2024
235: Thriving After Wilderness Therapy: Colin MacDonald's Path to Not Therapy
In this episode, Will talks with Colin MacDonald, co-founder of . Colin shares his journey from being a wilderness therapy client and therapeutic boarding school student to graduating college and then entering the work-force. Not finding deep meaning in his initial career path, Colin decided to become a certified young adult life coach to help others. He recounts the challenges he faced as an adolescent, including struggles with ADHD, depression, and substance abuse, and how wilderness therapy helped him turn his life around. Colin also discusses the mission of , which aims to bridge the gap between therapeutic programs and successful transitions to home, college, or independent living. He emphasizes the importance of spending time outdoors for mental health and how it benefits both him and his clients. Colin further explains the unique approach of , highlighting the role of relatable mentorship and community building. He details how the program supports young adults and teens by providing daily accountability, fostering healthy habits, and helping them find communities that support their interests and goals. Colin's passion for helping others through his lived experience is evident as he shares success stories of clients who have benefited from the program. This episode offers valuable insights into the transformative power of wilderness therapy and the innovative ways Not Therapy Coaching is making a difference in the lives of young people.
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234: Enhancing Adventure Therapy Practice: Insights from Westminster University
05/28/2024
234: Enhancing Adventure Therapy Practice: Insights from Westminster University
In this episode Will talks with Dr. Patrick McMillon and Alex White from Westminster University in Utah. They discuss the Graduate Certificate in Adventure Therapy, a program designed to train clinicians in integrating adventure therapy into their practice. Dr. McMillon, the program coordinator, shares insights on the program's structure, which includes three intensive courses focused on theory, professional practice, and clinical application. Alex White, with over ten years of experience, highlights how the program prepares students to implement effective, ethical, and culturally relevant adventure therapy. The episode also delves into the practical aspects of the certification, emphasizing its suitability for mental health and recreational therapists, as well as students in Westminster’s Clinical Mental Health Counseling program. The guests discuss the growing interest in adventure therapy, the program's community impact, and the career benefits for graduates. Listeners will gain a comprehensive understanding of how this certification can enhance their therapeutic practices and contribute to the broader field of mental health treatment. .
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233: Wilderness Therapy Under Fire: A Deep Dive with Reporter Jessica Miller
05/21/2024
233: Wilderness Therapy Under Fire: A Deep Dive with Reporter Jessica Miller
In this timely episode, Jessica Miller from the Salt Lake Tribune shares insights from her investigative article on the closures of wilderness therapy programs for teens in Utah. She discusses the factors driving these closures, such as negative media attention and financial challenges. Jessica provides an in-depth look at the current state of wilderness therapy in Utah and explains how the state government regulates the field. Tune in for an eye-opening discussion that sheds light on this crucial topic. Jessica Miller, an investigative reporter from the Salt Lake Tribune, reveals the significant challenges she faced while investigating the wilderness therapy industry. Despite numerous attempts, many within the industry were hesitant to speak with her, highlighting the difficulty of uncovering the full story. Jessica discusses the complexities of reporting on wilderness therapy, the importance of fair representation, and the delicate balance of presenting unbiased information. This episode offers a unique perspective on the role of journalism in shedding light on sensitive issues. Jessica Miller’s bio from Salt Lake Tribune- "Jessica is an investigative reporter at The Salt Lake Tribune, where she has worked since 2011. She was part of the team that won a 2017 Pulitzer Prize, and she is a two-time Livingston Award finalist. She has collaborated with several national outlets for investigative projects, including FRONTLINE, American Public Media and ProPublica."
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232: Exploring Outdoor Therapy with David Wynn from Blue Ridge Treks
05/07/2024
232: Exploring Outdoor Therapy with David Wynn from Blue Ridge Treks
In this episode Will chats with David Wynn, LCMHC, an outdoor mental health provider from Blue Ridge Treks. David shares his transformative journey from a river guide and camp mentor to a mental health professional, revealing how natural environments play a crucial role in psychological healing. He delves into the power of nature to transcend traditional therapy boundaries, offering clients a unique blend of psychological insight and environmental interaction. David discusses his approach to integrating therapeutic techniques with outdoor experiences, providing profound insights into how physical spaces can influence mental health treatment. As a professional who transitioned from conventional to outdoor settings, David illustrates through personal anecdotes and professional experiences the therapeutic benefits of engaging with the natural world. This episode not only highlights his methods and successes but also explores the broader implications of outdoor mental health practices, making it a must-listen for anyone interested in alternative and effective approaches to mental wellness.
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231: Surf Therapy: A New Wave in Therapeutic Practices with Cash Lambert
04/30/2024
231: Surf Therapy: A New Wave in Therapeutic Practices with Cash Lambert
In this compelling episode, Will engages with Cash Lambert about his groundbreaking new book, "Surf Therapy: The Evidence-Based Science for Physical, Mental, and Emotional Well-being." Cash discusses his evolution from a journalism student, initially participating in a surf therapy event to fulfill volunteer hours, to an author dedicated to documenting the profound impacts of surf therapy. His journey began with witnessing the transformative effects of surfing on children with autism, leading to his first book, “Waves of Healing: How Surfing Changes the Lives of Children with Autism” that captured these life-altering experiences. His narrative weaves together heartfelt stories and the significant changes observed in participants and volunteers alike, which fueled his passion for advocating surf therapy’s benefits. The conversation further explores Cash’s latest book, which expands the examination of surf therapy to a wider audience, including veterans and individuals suffering from PTSD. This book is supported by extensive research and aims to legitimize surf therapy as a recognized therapeutic method. Throughout the interview, Cash shares powerful testimonials and research findings, highlighting the unique benefits of surf therapy and his vision for its future as a mainstream therapeutic option. His dedication to enhancing understanding and acceptance of surf therapy shines through as he details the journey of bringing these healing practices to a global audience.
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230: Everest Inc.: Debunking Myths with Author Will Cockrell
04/16/2024
230: Everest Inc.: Debunking Myths with Author Will Cockrell
In this episode, Will talks with Will Cockrell, author of the new book, "Everest Inc.: The Renegades and Rogues Who Built an Industry at the Top of the World." Cockrell delves into the untold stories of the Everest guiding industry, offering a nuanced perspective that challenges the sensational narratives often associated with Everest. His book presents a counter-narrative, focusing on the complexity of the industry and the passionate individuals involved, rather than the common portrayals of chaos and disaster on the mountain. Cockrell explains his motivations for writing the book, highlighting his desire to address the oversimplified and often negative depiction of Everest in popular media. He shares insights from his conversations with key figures in the guiding industry, revealing a history driven by passion rather than mere profit. The discussion also touches on personal accounts from other notable climbers and their transformative experiences on Everest, underscoring the deeply personal and varied reasons people are drawn to the mountain. The episode concludes with a discussion on the potential impacts of Cockrell's book on public perception of Everest, aiming to enrich the listener's understanding of the guiding industry's complexities. Cockrell's in-depth research and fresh perspectives invite listeners to reconsider the narrative surrounding one of the world's most iconic peaks. To find out more about Will Cockrell and to buy his book check out his website:
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229: Healing in the Outdoors: 'No Child Left Inside” author Bryn Lottig on the Journey to Emotional Well-being
04/09/2024
229: Healing in the Outdoors: 'No Child Left Inside” author Bryn Lottig on the Journey to Emotional Well-being
In this episode, Will talks with Bryn Lottig who shares her compelling journey from an aspiring pilot changed by 9/11 to a pioneering force in the field of outdoor experiential education. Through her personal experiences with adversity, including a challenging childhood and a transformative experience with Outward Bound, Bryn discovered her passion for the outdoors and its profound impact on personal development. This realization led her to pursue a career that not only embraces adventure but also utilizes it as a tool for fostering social and emotional growth in individuals. Bryn co-founded , a digital platform that epitomizes her commitment to democratizing experiential education. Kikori aims to bridge the gap between outdoor activities and educational curricula, providing educators and students alike with access to resources that promote social and emotional learning through adventure. The platform reflects Bryn's belief in the power of community and collaboration, featuring thousands of activities contributed by hundreds of educators, designed to cater to a diverse range of needs from early childhood education to corporate team building. Bryn's new book, encapsulates her vision for integrating character development into education via outdoor experiential learning. The book serves as both a memoir and a guide, offering insights into the science behind experiential learning, practical activities, and the personal stories that inspired Bryn's work. Through her narrative, Bryn advocates for a shift in educational paradigms, emphasizing the importance of equipping the next generation with the resilience, empathy, and leadership skills needed to navigate the challenges of the 21st century. Her story is a testament to the transformative power of the outdoors and its essential role in shaping confident, compassionate individuals.
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228: Embark's Closure of New Visions and the Future of Wilderness Therapy
03/19/2024
228: Embark's Closure of New Visions and the Future of Wilderness Therapy
In this special episode, Will sheds light on the upheaval in the wilderness therapy landscape, particularly spotlighting the closure of Embark Behavioral Health's New Visions Wilderness Therapy programs. This narrative delves into the broader implications of private equity's role in the mental health care industry, with a focus on how these financial underpinnings have influenced the recent pivot away from wilderness therapy models, especially in the context of adolescent treatment. The episode underscores the closure of not just New Visions in Wisconsin and Deschutes Wilderness Therapy but notes a startling trend: the total cessation of ten adolescent wilderness therapy programs in the past year alone, signaling a seismic shift in the field. In discussing New Visions Wilderness Therapy, the episode shares a brief history of the program and spotlights the utilization of trauma-informed care as a factor in its growth and success. The incorporation of trauma-informed practices into their treatment model did play a role in differentiating New Visions in a growing behavioral healthcare marketplace, aiding in its expansion and the subsequent interest from larger, investment-driven entities. This examination underscores the complexity of the adolescent wilderness therapy field, where clinical innovation intersects with business interests, leading to significant changes in the availability and approach to adolescent mental health care. This episode navigates through the nuances of these closures and the broader implications for the changing wilderness therapy landscape, offering a dive into the intersection of financial decisions, clinical practices, and the changing dynamics of adolescent mental health treatment. As the wilderness therapy sector faces this pivotal juncture, White's analysis provides essential insights for professionals, families, and stakeholders, charting the ongoing evolution of treatment modalities in the face of economic and clinical challenges. Article and podcast episodes talked about in this episode:
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227: From Military to Mindfulness: Tripp Johnson's Journey to Behavioral Healthcare Innovation
03/12/2024
227: From Military to Mindfulness: Tripp Johnson's Journey to Behavioral Healthcare Innovation
In this enlightening conversation, Will talks with Tripp Johnson who shares his unique journey into behavioral healthcare and his evolution into a social entrepreneur. His accidental entry into the field, catalyzed by personal challenges with alcohol and a transformative exploration of mindfulness and yoga, marks the start of his commitment to improving mental health care. Tripp discusses his foundational experiences, including his time at West Point, his military service, and his eventual pivot towards integrating his passion for holistic wellness into his professional life. This journey led him to co-found Green Hill Recovery, focusing on helping young adults navigate life's challenges through integrated treatment programs that blend academic, career development, and mindfulness practices. Throughout the conversation, Tripp delves into the challenges and successes of shifting from private pay to an insurance-driven model, emphasizing the importance of accessibility, affordability, and quality of treatment. He critiques the private pay segment of the industry for often prioritizing marketing and referral relationships over clinical sophistication and advocates for systemic changes to make high-quality care accessible to a broader demographic. Tripp's approach, inspired by his personal growth journey and professional experiences, underscores the need for the healthcare industry to innovate and adapt to serve clients better and ensure sustainability. The interview concludes with Tripp's vision for the future, where he hopes to see an industry that continues to innovate and provide care that is both high quality and accessible to all. He discusses his role in leading an innovation-focused offshoot to develop back-office systems and technology to streamline processes and enhance patient care. Tripp's story is a compelling call to action for the behavioral healthcare industry to evolve and embrace models that prioritize patient well-being, accessibility, and the integration of holistic practices into treatment methodologies. We want to thank for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery. Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on .
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226: From Addiction to Adventure: How Nature Transforms Lives with Nate Bennick
02/27/2024
226: From Addiction to Adventure: How Nature Transforms Lives with Nate Bennick
In this episode Will sits down with Nate Bennick, the National Field Director for Adventure Recovery, to dive into the transformative power of combining mental health treatment with outdoor adventures. Nate shares his personal journey from battling addiction to finding solace and strength in the wilderness, leading him to his role in Adventure Recovery. Nate's story exemplifies the impact of nature-based immersions and adventure in fostering recovery and self-discovery, resonating with anyone looking for a path to healing outside the conventional therapy rooms. Nate shares his story from working in the confines of traditional residential treatment programs to the expansive possibilities offered by wilderness therapy. The episode delves into how Adventure Recovery leverages adventure and the natural world as vehicles for change, providing individuals in recovery with opportunities to challenge themselves, enhance resilience, and cultivate a sense of community. It further highlights the operational aspects of Adventure Recovery, including the preparation and certification of guides, the array of activities available, and the tailored support provided to clients on their recovery journeys. This episode not only illuminates the innovative approach of Adventure Recovery but also stands as a tribute to the therapeutic potential of the outdoors. Nate's dedication to aiding others in finding their recovery path through adventure is both moving and motivational, making this episode essential listening for anyone interested in the confluence of mental health treatment and outdoor exploration. We want to thank for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery. Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on .
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225: Embracing Adventure for Recovery: The Foundation House Experience
02/13/2024
225: Embracing Adventure for Recovery: The Foundation House Experience
In this episode Will talks with Dan Schmader, the Program Director at , to delve into the therapeutic integration of outdoor activities in the realm of mental health and addiction recovery. Schmader unveils the unique approach of Foundation House, located in Portland, Maine, emphasizing its dedication to males aged 17 to 35. He outlines the transition journey of residents from structured care environments to a blend of Partial Hospitalization Programs (PHP) and Intensive Outpatient Programs (IOP), all while residing in a sober living house. Schmader highlights the program's success in leveraging the natural beauty and resources of Portland and Bethel, Maine, to foster recovery through a diverse array of outdoor activities, including wilderness outings, sports, and life skills workshops. The conversation further explores the profound impact of outdoor adventures on the residents' recovery process. Schmader shares personal anecdotes and the transformative experiences of participating in both local and international expeditions, such as service work in the US Virgin Islands and trekking in Patagonia. These adventures, rooted in challenges, accountability, and teamwork, significantly contribute to the mental, spiritual, and physical facets of recovery. Schmader’s own journey from a resident to a leading figure at Foundation House underscores the profound personal and communal growth facilitated by the program. Conclusively, this episode not only sheds light on s innovative treatment model but also underscores the invaluable role of outdoor activities in healing and recovery. The discussion vividly illustrates how embracing adventure, confronting challenges, and fostering connections can pave the way for a renewed sense of purpose and well-being among individuals battling addiction. We want to thank for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery. Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on .
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224: Navigating Controversy: Dr. Madolyn Liebing's Take on Wilderness Therapy's Future and Addiction Treatment in Outdoor Settings
02/06/2024
224: Navigating Controversy: Dr. Madolyn Liebing's Take on Wilderness Therapy's Future and Addiction Treatment in Outdoor Settings
In this enlightening episode Will sits down with Dr. Madolyn Liebing, a historical figure in the wilderness therapy field and the clinical director at . Dr. Liebing provides an in-depth look at their blended program for adults, which combines intensive clinical therapy with experiential outdoor adventures, designed to support smoother transitions for clients into their communities. She discusses the therapeutic modalities employed, such as EMDR and emotion-focused therapy, and underscores the importance of addressing trauma, substance abuse, and family dynamics within a nurturing, natural environment. Dr. Liebing candidly addresses the controversies surrounding wilderness therapy for adolescents, including the criticism following the Netflix documentary "Hell Camp: Teen Nightmare." She shares her concerns about the field including transporting teens as well as generalizations that have tarnished the reputation of wilderness therapy, emphasizing the rigorous safety protocols and therapeutic benefits of well-run programs. Through personal anecdotes and client stories, Dr. Liebing illustrates the profound transformations that can occur when individuals are given the opportunity to heal in the wilderness, away from the pressures and distractions of their usual environments. The episode takes a deeper dive into the challenges faced by the wilderness therapy field, with Dr. Liebing reflecting on the closures of adolescent wilderness programs and the impact of social media and public perception. Despite these hurdles, she remains optimistic about the future of wilderness therapy, advocating for the expansion of outdoor-based therapeutic models that can reach more individuals in need. Dr. Liebing's insights not only highlight the innovative work being done at Legacy Outdoor Adventures and Juniper Recovery Center but also champion the crucial role of nature in recovery and personal growth, offering a powerful counter-narrative to the skepticism surrounding the field. We want to thank for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery. Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on .
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223: Recovery in the Outdoors: Roy DuPrez's Journey to Sobriety and the Back2Basics Story
01/30/2024
223: Recovery in the Outdoors: Roy DuPrez's Journey to Sobriety and the Back2Basics Story
In this episode Will sits down with Roy DuPrez, CEO and Founder of , an outdoor-based recovery program in Arizona. Roy shares his personal journey of recovery, beginning with his early struggles with alcohol and substance abuse in Venice Beach, California. He describes the allure of alcohol in his youth, influenced by his social environment and the perception of success and attractiveness associated with drinking. Roy's journey through addiction led to various consequences, including legal troubles and professional setbacks. Moving to Flagstaff, Arizona, for a fresh start, Roy found a shift in his life. Despite continuing his drinking habits initially, he eventually reached a turning point in 2001, leading him to embrace recovery and sobriety. This transformation was bolstered by outdoor experiences, such as visiting the Grand Canyon, which provided a profound sense of perspective and renewal. Roy shares the story of starting Back2Basics in 2010, combining his experiences with a unique recovery model that integrates outdoor expeditions with clinical therapy. The program, initially private pay but later accepting insurance, targets young men aged 18 to 35, offering a 90-day minimum stay with most staying longer. This approach allows for the planting of seeds of recovery, personal growth, and the development of life skills in a supportive environment. We want to thank for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery. Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on .
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222: Empowering Young Adults when “At the Crossroads” with Mike Hench
01/23/2024
222: Empowering Young Adults when “At the Crossroads” with Mike Hench
In this enlightening episode Will welcomes Mike Hench from At the Crossroads, a program dedicated to helping young adults navigate the challenges of transitioning to adulthood. Mike shares the inspiring journey of , which began in 2005 as a brainchild of Brian and Shannon Virgin, aimed at helping young adults in less restrictive environments than traditional residential programs. The program, located in St. George, Utah, offers a unique blend of real-life experiences, community integration, and outdoor experiences, catering to young adults struggling with issues like social anxiety, depression, and substance use. Mike delves into the evolution of client demographics at the At the Crossroads program, noting a shift towards individuals with complex psychological issues rather than substance abuse. He emphasizes the therapeutic power of nature, sharing personal experiences of transformative moments with clients during outdoor activities like hiking. These interactions highlight the significant role of nature in promoting mental wellness and personal growth. The episode also touches on the broader landscape of mental health and outdoor therapy, specifically the wilderness therapy field. Mike discusses the challenges and changes in the field, including the impact of the pandemic and shifts in treatment models. He underlines the importance of innovative approaches and the increasing need for services that address unique modern challenges faced by young adults. We want to thank for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery. Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on .
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221: The Closure of Open Sky: Is this the “Winter” of Wilderness Therapy?
01/16/2024
221: The Closure of Open Sky: Is this the “Winter” of Wilderness Therapy?
In this special episode Will discusses the announcement of the upcoming closure of Open Sky Wilderness Therapy, marking a significant moment in the private pay, adolescent-focused wilderness therapy sector. This closure is part of a larger trend, as Open Sky is the fifth program of its kind to shut down within a year. The episode offers an in-depth analysis of these closures, examining common challenges such as shifting societal perceptions, increased competition from other types of mental health treatment, and economic difficulties. Listeners are taken through a journey beginning with a reading of Open Sky's closure announcement, offering a personal and direct insight into the issues faced by the program. The episode revisits previous interviews with Open Sky employees, highlighting their dedication to providing exceptional outdoor mental health care for adolescents. In a reflective essay, the Will draws parallels between the current state of wilderness therapy and a 'winter' phase – a time for introspection and preparation for future growth. Significantly, the episode also revisits a January 2021 interview with Kenneth Rosen, author of “Troubled: The Failed Promise of America’s Behavioral Treatment Programs”, who had predicted these closures in a conversation with Will. This discussion offers a unique perspective on the challenges and criticisms facing the adolescent wilderness therapy sector, providing a comprehensive understanding of its evolution and the potential paths forward. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the complex dynamics of wilderness therapy and the factors shaping its future. We want to thank for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery. Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on .
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220: Tommy Rosen's Recovery 2.0: Transforming Addiction Treatment with Holistic Healing
01/09/2024
220: Tommy Rosen's Recovery 2.0: Transforming Addiction Treatment with Holistic Healing
In this episode, Will talks with Tommy Rosen, founder of , for a profound exploration of overcoming addiction through holistic healing. The episode opens with a poignant tribute to the late Adam Tsapis, a key figure in both their lives, setting the tone for a conversation deeply rooted in personal transformation and the power of human connection. Tommy shares his tumultuous journey through addiction, emphasizing the life-changing moment of hitting rock bottom and the subsequent spiritual awakening that led him to over 32 years of sobriety. His narrative is not just his own but echoes the struggles and hopes of many who tread the challenging path of recovery. As the conversation unfolds, Tommy expresses concern about pharmacological interventions in addiction treatment, advocating for a more encompassing and humane approach. He passionately discusses , a program he developed that emphasizes a holistic recovery path involving yoga, meditation, dietary mindfulness, time in the outdoors, and community support. He underscores the importance of adapting twelve-step programs to the current era, making them more accessible and relevant to individuals seeking help today. His perspective is not just about overcoming addiction but also about embracing a journey toward overall wellness and sustained mental health. In the third part of the discussion, Tommy emphasizes the transformational power of embracing life's subtleties and finding joy in everyday experiences as a fundamental part of recovery. He stresses that recovery is not the end of the road but the beginning of a more conscious, connected way of living. His message is one of hope, stressing that recovery is possible for anyone willing to embrace change and seek a deeper connection with themselves and the world around them. The episode concludes with Tommy imparting a poignant message to the Tsapis family and all listeners, affirming the enduring power of love, connection, and resilience in the face of adversity. His story and insights offer a beacon of hope and a testament to the strength of the human spirit in overcoming the challenges of addiction and mental health. We want to thank for underwriting Season 18 which focuses on addiction and recovery. Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes of this podcast on .
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219: From Phish to Fulfillment: Trey Anastasio & Melanie Gulde's Recovery Vision
01/02/2024
219: From Phish to Fulfillment: Trey Anastasio & Melanie Gulde's Recovery Vision
In this first episode of 2024 Will talks with Melanie Gulde, the visionary program director of in Vermont. In this enlightening episode, listeners will delve into the heart of , a unique residential recovery program with an outdoor component co-founded by Melanie Gulde and Trey Anastasio of the renowned band Phish. Discover the inspiring history behind , its name derived from a Phish song, and explore its distinctive, holistic approach to addiction recovery. Learn about the challenges Melanie and Trey faced while creating a facility dedicated to transforming lives through emotional sobriety, mindfulness, and a profound connection with nature. Melanie shares her personal journey, and the pivotal role nature plays in mental health and well-being. With a focus on outdoor activities like hiking and trail building, Divided Sky emphasizes the healing power of the outdoors, offering a sanctuary for those seeking recovery. Understand the commitment of to make recovery accessible, offering scholarships and a testament to Melanie and Trey’s passion for outdoor mental health treatment. This episode is not just a story of a recovery program but a tale of resilience, compassion, and the transformative power of nature in mental health. Tune into this compelling episode to get a deep insight into the innovative approach of . To learn more about a the sponsor of Season 18 focused on addiction and recovery, at Listeners are invited to explore the rich archives of over 200 episodes at
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