The Enlightened Family Business Podcast

What if governance, succession, and leadership weren’t just business strategies—but sacred opportunities for growth, healing, and transformation? Welcome to The Enlightened Family Business Podcast with Chris Yonker—author, trusted advisor to ultra-high-net-worth families, and 7th-degree black belt whose work bridges legacy with soul. This isn’t your typical family business podcast. Each episode dives deep into the inner and outer dimensions of generational success—where family dynamics, conscious leadership, custom-fit governance, and soul-purpose clarity come together to shape continuity that feels as good as it looks. Rooted in Chris’s Governance 2.0™ framework, the show explores: • Strategic governance aligned with family values • Transparent communication and relational repair • Mental, emotional, and physical well-being as business drivers • Personal development and transformation at every level • Succession planning that honors identity, meaning, and legacy Chris has guided some of the most complex family systems in the world—blending deep psychological insight, trauma-informed process, and spiritual intelligence. Whether you’re a founder, rising gen leader, or advisor to family enterprises, this podcast will challenge, inspire, and equip you to lead with intention—and fulfill the purpose your soul came here to live. Subscribe now to discover what’s possible when families align from the inside out.

Preparing the Rising Generation for Succession with Jeremy Lurey 08/10/2026

Preparing the Rising Generation for Succession with Jeremy Lurey The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 166: Preparing the Rising Generation for Succession with Jeremy Lurey In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker is joined by Dr. Jeremy Lurey of Family Legacy First for a candid, wide-ranging conversation on one of the most underserved dimensions of family business succession — preparing the people, not just the plan. Recorded as part of the Family Business Executive Forum, this episode moves beyond the mechanics of who gets what and digs into the real work: the relational ecosystem, the communication structures, the identity questions, and the developmental gaps that determine whether a rising generation will thrive or fracture when the founding generation steps away. Chris and Jeremy explore why calling the next generation “now-gen” instead of “next-gen” changes everything; why the how of succession always matters more than the who; what the dashboard of a healthy succession ecosystem actually looks like; why governance without communication is just paperwork; and why the families that navigate multi-generational continuity best are the ones focused on individual flourishing, not just business continuity. They also share real client stories — both cautionary and inspiring — that illustrate what happens when families do this work and what happens when they don’t. Episode Chapters · 0:00 Setting the Stage: Succession as a Process, Not an Event · 2:21 The Family Succession Ecosystem — What’s Really Required · 5:31 Founder Influence and the Decision-Making Shift Across Generations · 8:00 The Relational Structure of the Rising Generation — Are We Building It? · 9:57 Fair vs. Equal: The Question That Stops Rooms Cold · 13:10 The Succession Dashboard: Eight Indicators of Ecosystem Health · 16:36 Now-Gen vs. Next-Gen: Why the Language Matters · 19:20 Leadership Development Is Intentional, Not Accidental · 23:02 How Much Input Should the Outgoing Leader Have? · 25:34 What Got You Here Won’t Get You There · 28:00 Stewardship vs. Ownership — A Whole Different Framework · 30:24 Why Holistic Discovery Matters More Than You Think · 32:47 Life Happens Through Communication · 36:21 Elevating from Me to We · 38:13 When the Patriarch Won’t Let Go — Real Stories · 42:07 Jay Hughes, Flourishing, and the Individual in the Family System · 44:02 Now-Gen Outside the Enterprise — A Powerful Case Study · 50:24 Parting Wisdom: Where to Start in the Next Seven to Ten Years · 54:50 Building the Multidisciplinary Advisory Team · 55:26 Resources and Farewell Websites · familylegacyfirst.com · chrisyonker.com LinkedIn · Search Jeremy Lurey or Chris Yonker About Jeremy Lurey Dr. Jeremy Lurey is the founder of Family Legacy First, a consulting practice dedicated to helping multi-generational family enterprises navigate succession, governance, and legacy planning with a focus on the human side of the process. With a background in management consulting and executive coaching, Jeremy works with families across the country on leadership transitions, family councils, retreats, and the relational dynamics that determine whether a family business survives across generations. He is a sought-after speaker and facilitator known for his practical, story-driven approach and his conviction that succession is never just about choosing the right successor — it’s about building the right ecosystem for the whole family to thrive. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/42388520

Rethinking Succession in Family Business with Josh Baron 07/27/2026

Rethinking Succession in Family Business with Josh Baron The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 165: Rethinking Succession in Family Business with Josh Baron In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Josh Baron — Harvard Business School faculty member, co-founder of Banyan Global, and co-author of multiple Harvard Business Review works on family enterprise — for a rich, deeply practical conversation on the topic that never gets old: succession. Josh has spent 20 years advising family businesses and teaching at Columbia and Harvard, and what he keeps finding is that families don’t fail at succession because they chose the wrong person. They fail because they never built the right process. Together Chris and Josh explore why a family business CEO who’s been in the seat for 30 years is not facing a job change — they’re facing an identity crisis; why the how of succession is more important than the what; the critical difference between conquerors and rulers and why the next generation doesn’t need to look like the founder to be the right fit; how to use the arc of succession — assets, roles, and capabilities — as a planning framework; what happens when the founding generation leaves and the next generation discovers they have no one to resolve their disputes; and why working backwards from the far future is one of the most effective tools for getting a reluctant founder to engage. They also dig into the four ownership models used by successful multi-generational family businesses and why the question isn’t just who should run the business — it’s whether the family should have a business at all. Episode Chapters · 3:56 Meet Josh Baron · 5:13 From Bain to Banyan: How Josh Found His Way Into Family Business · 8:00 Why Succession Is an Evergreen Problem — and Always Will Be · 10:12 What the Rising Generation Is Really Feeling · 13:12 Why G1 and G2 Struggle to See Each Other Clearly · 15:39 When Is the Right Time to Start Succession Planning? · 16:05 The Arc of Succession: Assets, Roles, and Capabilities · 20:48 Succession Is a Process, Not an Event · 22:11 The Danger of the One-Winner Moment · 24:33 Why Every Generation Needs a Different Kind of Leader · 27:50 How to Help a Founder Embrace What Got Us Here Won’t Get Us There · 30:00 Grafting: How the Next Gen Should Introduce New Ideas · 31:30 Working Backwards: The Most Effective Tool for Reluctant Founders · 35:35 What Happens When the Founder Leaves and the Glue Disappears · 38:00 Should We Even Have a Family Business? The Question Nobody Asks · 40:19 The Four Ownership Models and When Each One Works · 46:09 The How Is Greater Than the What · 49:06 When to Get Outside Help — and Why You Always Need It · 53:31 Resources and Farewell Websites · hbs.edu (search Josh Baron) · banyanglobal.com · chrisyonker.com Book & Articles · The Founder’s Final Act — Harvard Business Review, September–October 2025 · Search “Josh Baron HBS” for the full catalog of published work About Josh Baron Josh Baron is a Senior Lecturer at Harvard Business School, coauthor of the Harvard Business Review Family Business Handbook, and a cofounder of BanyanGlobal Family Business Advisors. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/42186145

Unlocking Inner Potential: Tools for Sustainable Leadership with Shalin Desai 07/13/2026

Unlocking Inner Potential: Tools for Sustainable Leadership with Shalin Desai The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 164: Unlocking Inner Potential: Tools for Sustainable Leadership with Shalin Desai In the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker welcomes Shailendra (Shalin) Desai, an engineer and longtime Art of Living teacher who has spent 20 years teaching breathing techniques and meditation in 64 U.S. cities, including Fortune 500 companies. They discuss shifting leadership needs, employee disengagement, and generational differences, emphasizing that calm, regulated nervous systems support trust, connection, and better decision-making. Desai explains Art of Living’s SKY Breath (Sudarshan Kriya) and cites research, including a Yale study comparing outcomes with mindfulness-based stress reduction and an emotional intelligence program, noting benefits like reduced cortisol and anxiety and increased purpose. He guides listeners through a short bellows breathing (Bhastrika) exercise and brief meditation, recommends starting the day with the practice, and frames breathwork as daily “mental hygiene.” · 00:54 Meet Shalin Desai · 04:25 Leadership Engagement Crisis · 08:34 Generational Leadership Shift · 11:02 Breathwork For Calm Leaders · 17:42 Why Breath Before Meditation · 21:22 Guided 12 Minute Practice · 36:02 When To Use It · 36:35 Real World Impact Stories · 42:22 Mental Hygiene Mindset · 43:20 Resources And Farewell Websites · · About Shalin Desai Shalin Desai is the Director of Programs for the Art of Living Foundation, one of the world’s largest nonprofit organizations, whose initiatives have positively impacted over 500 million people across 180+ countries. With more than 25 years of experience teaching breathwork and meditation, Shalin is known for integrating ancient wisdom with modern leadership and well-being practices. He also serves as Chief Revenue Officer of Sri Sri Tattva, a global wellness brand offering natural and Ayurvedic products that promote holistic health through a blend of tradition and science. For over 15 years, Shalin has designed and delivered corporate leadership and wellness programs for organizations including Microsoft, Dell, Boston Consulting Group, Accenture, Salesforce, Eli Lilly and Company, and Merck & Co.. His work helps leaders and teams manage stress, build resilience, and cultivate mental clarity while reconnecting with a deeper sense of purpose. Personally trained by Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Shalin is among a select group chosen to train teachers of the Art of Living programs. Through his seminars and speaking engagements, he combines scientific insight with practical tools that help individuals and organizations unlock sustainable performance and well-being.He is also known for his Intuitive Life Scan, a breakthrough approach in which trained guides provide unbiased, highly accurate insights into an individual’s unique situation. Using techniques that access the intuitive space—also called Absolute Intelligence—participants gain clarity and actionable guidance beyond what conventional knowledge can offer. A highly engaging speaker known for his relatable storytelling and humor, Shalin inspires audiences with practical techniques they can apply immediately to improve focus, leadership, and overall well-being. Shalin holds a degree in Supply Chain Management from the State University of New York and lives in Indianapolis with his wife and two children. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/42053140

Wealth Is Wellbeing: Helping Families Flourish with Susan Weingartner 06/29/2026

You May be Making Decisions in the Dark - Jacques Santucci on Financially Preparing your Business for the Future 06/15/2026

You May be Making Decisions in the Dark - Jacques Santucci on Financially Preparing your Business for the Future The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 162: You May Be Making Decisions in the Dark — Jacques Santucci on Financially Preparing Your Business for the Future In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Jacques Santucci, President of Opus Consulting, for a grounded, practical conversation about one of the most underutilized levers in family business: financial leadership. Jacques brings a rare combination of international business experience — from Ernst & Young in France to CFO roles in the US — and 17 years of consulting to privately held and family-owned businesses across New England and beyond. Together, Chris and Jacques break down the critical differences between a bookkeeper, controller, and CFO; why so many family businesses are making major decisions with months-old data; what the early warning signs of financial trouble actually look like before an owner recognizes them; and why the fractional CFO model has become one of the most accessible and high-impact resources available to growing family firms. They also explore what a meaningful financial education pathway looks like for the rising generation — not to make them accountants, but to ensure they can read a P&L, understand a balance sheet, talk to a banker, and make decisions grounded in fact rather than gut feeling. Episode Chapters · 4:10 Meet Jacques Santucci · 7:12 From France to Maine: A CFO’s Unlikely Journey · 11:04 Bookkeeper, Controller, CFO — What’s the Difference and Why It Matters · 17:12 The CFO’s Real Job: Looking at the Future, Not the Past · 19:25 When Is It Time to Bring In a CFO? · 21:33 Financial Reporting: What to Measure, How Often, and Why · 25:31 Early Warning Signs Your Business Is Heading for Trouble · 29:16 Customer Mix, Profit Margins, and Strategic Decision-Making · 30:16 A Real-World Case Study: Seasonal Business, Six-Week-Old Data, and What Changed · 31:47 Clean Data: Why Accuracy Is the Foundation of Every Good Decision · 35:20 Developing the Rising Generation’s Financial Acumen · 40:08 What Every Next-Gen Leader Needs to Understand About the Numbers · 42:16 The Fractional CFO Model: Full Expertise at a Fraction of the Cost · 46:05 Resources and Farewell Websites · opuscg.com · chrisyonker.com About Jacques Santucci Jacques Santucci is the President and Founder of Opus Consulting, a nationally recognized full-service business advisory firm supporting companies from start-up to turnaround, and offering management and fractional C-suite services to unlock performance. Jacques is particularly skilled in helping businesses navigate complex inflection points and difficult industries, with over 20 years of experience in turnarounds and restructurings. He frequently serves as a restructuring officer, court-appointed receiver, or turnaround advisor — bringing disciplined execution and a practical, hands-on approach to each engagement. In his capacity as a fractional CFO, Jacques utilizes his strategic and financial expertise to help companies improve fiscal controls, cash flow, and align financial operations with long-term goals. From his frontline perspective in restructuring and turnarounds, he is keenly aware of the financial decisions and factors that lead companies into distress — and works with business leaders to avoid those pitfalls earlier in the business lifecycle. Jacques built his career as a strategic finance leader, holding senior roles at Ernst & Young and Universal Pictures in Paris, France, before bringing his expertise to privately held and family-owned businesses across the United States. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/41644255

AI Is Coming Fast — What Family Businesses Should Do Now with Jack Potvin 06/01/2026

AI Is Coming Fast — What Family Businesses Should Do Now with Jack Potvin The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 161: AI Is Coming Fast — What Family Businesses Should Do Now with Jack Potvin In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker is joined by AI product builder Jack Potvin for a fast-moving, practical conversation about artificial intelligence and what privately held and family businesses need to do — right now — to stay competitive. Jack built his AI foundation working on one of the world’s first computer vision models for sports before the rise of large language models, and now dedicates his work to helping independent businesses harness this technology before the window closes. Chris and Jack make the case for why family businesses — historically outperformers — are at a critical inflection point: large corporations are pouring tens of billions into AI adoption, and the playing field will not stay level for those who wait. Together they explore what AI actually is, the two core value drivers of efficiency and capability expansion, where to start when your team is at zero, why governance policies matter more than most owners realize, which specific tools deliver immediate value, and what AI genuinely cannot replace — deep domain expertise, broken process diagnosis, and nuanced human judgment. They also dive into real-world case studies from a beverage manufacturer and an insurance agency that have completely transformed their operations through AI, and close with a grounded, practical framework for family business leaders ready to take their first meaningful steps. Episode Chapters · 0:00 Welcome and Framing the Opportunity · 1:00 Meet Jack Potvin — From Sports AI to Family Business Adoption · 4:06 Why Family Businesses Are at a Competitive Inflection Point · 7:28 What Is AI? Defining LLMs, Efficiency, and Capability Expansion · 13:18 Should Your Company Have an AI Policy? · 16:04 Addressing the Fear: Job Loss, Data Privacy, and the Real Risks · 22:10 Where to Start: Daily Drivers, Existing Tools, and Filling the Gap · 26:54 Best AI Tools Right Now: Read AI, Whisper Flow, Notion, Gamma · 30:29 Operational Efficiency, Analytics, and Business Development · 31:11 Two Real-World Case Studies: Beverage Manufacturer and Insurance Agency · 35:23 What AI Is Great At — and Where Humans Must Lead · 40:40 AI for Business Development, Outbound, and CRM Automation · 45:59 Strategic Planning, Knowledge Bases, and Building Your Company’s AI Brain · 50:20 Q&A and Closing Resources Websites · businessautomation.com · chrisyonker.com About Jack Potvin Jack Ryan Potvin is an entrepreneur and AI strategist focused on helping businesses adopt practical artificial intelligence solutions that improve efficiency, decision-making, and competitive positioning. As the founder of Business Automation, Jack works with companies to integrate AI into everyday business operations — from automating workflows and improving internal knowledge systems to enhancing marketing, sales, and strategic insight. Jack specializes in translating rapidly evolving AI capabilities into practical tools that business leaders can implement today, without requiring large technical teams or massive technology investments. He is particularly passionate about helping family-owned and employee-owned companies adopt AI in ways that strengthen their long-term competitiveness while preserving the leadership values and culture that make these businesses successful. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/41568410

The Family Factor: Why Some Families Survive Conflict and Others Don’t with Doug Baumoel 05/18/2026

The Family Factor: Why Some Families Survive Conflict and Others Don’t with Doug Baumoel The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 160: The Family Factor: Why Some Families Survive Conflict and Others Don’t with Doug Baumoel In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Doug Baumoel, Founding Partner of Continuity Family Business Consulting and co-author of Deconstructing Conflict, for a deeply honest conversation about what actually tears family businesses apart — and what it takes to hold them together. Doug’s path into this work is personal: he grew up as heir apparent in a thriving multi-generational family business that ultimately collapsed under the weight of poorly managed conflict, despite multiple consultants attempting to help. What he learned from that experience led him to develop the Conflict Equation Methodology, a systems-based framework rooted in the science of identity-based conflict — the kind of conflict that can’t be mediated, negotiated, or governed away. In this conversation, Doug and Chris explore the critical distinction between disagreements, disputes, and true conflict; the concept of the Family Factor and why it’s the single most important variable in any family business engagement; why governance overlaid on top of unresolved conflict is like pouring gasoline on a fire; and how trust is rebuilt not through warmth or wishful thinking, but through predictability. They also dig into early warning signs of passive and active conflict, why the first phone call from a prospective client can make or break an engagement, and what it really means to sacrifice for family. Episode Chapters · 8:48 Meet Doug Baumoel · 11:00 Growing Up as Heir Apparent — and Watching It Fall Apart · 14:00 Why Most Family Business Consultants Made Things Worse · 16:30 The Conflict Equation: A Systems Engineering Approach · 19:00 Identity-Based Conflict vs. Civil Dispute · 22:10 How Families Show Up: Stuck, Worried, or In Crisis · 23:22 The First Phone Call and the Bias Trap · 27:38 Family First or Business First? · 31:08 The Family Factor: Compromise, Forgiveness, and Care · 35:09 Are We Wired to Care for Each Other? · 39:00 Early Warning Signs: Passive vs. Active Conflict · 49:20 Why Governance Is Not a Conflict Solution · 52:44 Building the Family Factor Across Generations · 56:34 Resources and Farewell Websites · continuityfbc.com · chrisyonker.com Book · Deconstructing Conflict: Understanding Family Business, Shared Wealth, and Power — available on Amazon About Doug Baumoel, MBA Doug Baumoel is the Founding Partner of Continuity Family Business Consulting, where he specializes in conflict management and leverages his extensive expertise in family business, family office operations, and governance. He draws from over 25 years of business experience — including starting and managing businesses in both the U.S. and Europe, where he established and led the European offices of his second-generation family enterprise — to develop a robust process for analyzing the key variables that influence family business conflict. He co-authored Deconstructing Conflict: Understanding Family Business, Shared Wealth, and Power with Continuity Managing Partner Blair Trippe. His insights have been featured in Family Business Magazine, Thomson West’s Alternative Dispute Resolution Practice Guide, Private Company Director magazine, and Harvard’s Negotiation Journal. A nationally recognized speaker, Doug has presented at the Program on Negotiation at Harvard Law School, Cornell University’s Smith Family Business Initiative, the National Association of Corporate Directors (NACD), the Family Firm Institute, the American Bar Association, Attorneys for Family-Held Enterprises (AFHE), and the International Academy of Collaborative Professionals (IACP). He serves as a board member of One Family Inc., a Massachusetts non-profit supporting families facing homelessness, and sits on the boards of a private foundation and a technology firm. Doug holds an MBA from the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania and a BS in Electrical Engineering from Cornell University. He is a Fellow of both the Family Firm Institute (FFI) and the National Association of Corporate Directors (NACD), a Practitioner Scholar with Cornell’s Smith Family Business Initiative, and a recipient of FFI’s 2023 Interdisciplinary Award. Outside of work, he is an avid fingerstyle jazz guitarist who occasionally performs at charity events and jazz venues. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/41295495

The Story Only Your Family Can Tell 05/06/2026

The Story Only Your Family Can Tell The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 159: The Story Only Your Family Can Tell with Roy Moëd & Yvette Conn In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Roy Moëd and Yvette Conn, co-founders of Lifebook Memoirs, for a rich conversation about why documenting the stories of family business founders may be one of the most underutilized tools in the entire legacy planning space. Roy’s journey into this work began with a deeply personal moment — repeatedly shutting down his blind father’s stories until it was almost too late — and evolved into a global enterprise that has now chronicled over 20,000 lives across the world. Yvette, with her background in financial markets and business commentary, brings the lens of the family enterprise: how the unrecorded stories of founders get distorted over generations, how family myths quietly become sources of division, and how a book chronicling the origin of a family business can give an entire management team a living framework of values to build on. Together, they explore why so many people believe their story isn’t worth telling, what it actually looks like to capture a 100-year-old family business history, the surprising emotional and relational benefits that emerge when stories are finally put to paper, and why a book — not a video — remains the most powerful medium for preserving a family’s truth. This is a quietly profound episode for any family business leader who has ever wondered whether the story of how it all began still matters. Episode Chapters · 5:28 Meet Roy Moëd and Yvette Conn · 6:07 The Genesis: A Blind Father and a Secretary Who Listened · 9:34 From Memoir to Family Business Stories — How Lifebook Evolved · 11:07 Who Am I to Have My Story Written? The Self-Worth Question · 13:00 The Aha Moment: Why Every Story Is Worth Telling · 17:42 The Value to the Reader — Not Just the Subject · 19:00 How Founders’ Stories Give the Next Gen Permission to Try and Permission to Fail · 20:40 Passing On Values, Not Just Value · 22:08 When the Family Story Gets Distorted — and Why It Causes Division · 24:46 Capturing Stories of Founders Who Are No Longer Alive · 27:21 You Can’t Ensure Your Memory, But You Can Ensure Your Memories · 30:42 How This Work Has Enriched Their Own Lives · 37:11 What Families Ask: How Much Time Does This Actually Take? · 39:46 Using the Book Project as a Legacy Role for a Retiring Founder · 42:39 Why a Book Beats a Video · 43:40 Resources and Farewell Websites · lifebookmemoirs.com · chrisyonker.com About Roy Moëd Roy Moëd is the co-founder of LifeBook Memoirs, which he launched in 2010 alongside his wife Yvette following extensive research at the Toronto Brain Health Institute. The company officially launched in October 2011 and secured venture capital funding in 2012. Today, over 20,000 people worldwide own a LifeBook. Roy’s entrepreneurial journey began in 1978 with the founding of Pourshins Limited, which he built — starting with just £4,800 — into an international enterprise employing over 600 staff across four factories in four countries. He later re-engineered the company into a global virtual logistics and BPO provider before selling it to gategroup in 2007. Beyond business, Roy is a passionate philanthropist and advocate: he founded a polo club in Windsor, participated in the London to Sydney air race to raise money for charity, volunteered with Crisis at Christmas, and assisted with refugee relocation efforts at the Polish-Ukrainian border. He has been an active YPO member since 1991 and is deeply involved in the Parenting Community, creating forums and events focused on ageing parents. About Yvette Conn Yvette Conn co-founded LifeBook Memoirs in 2011 after a distinguished career in financial markets. After earning her Economics degree from the University of Bath, she entered the City of London — then still heavily male-dominated — and rose through the ranks at Laurie Milbank and later Investec, becoming one of the first female partners in the City and a member of the London Stock Exchange. Today, alongside her role at LifeBook, she leads the company’s prestigious OPUS Division, which works with individuals, families, and founders to capture their life journeys and preserve their legacies for future generations. Yvette’s rare combination of financial rigour and emotional intelligence allows her to guide clients through the storytelling process with warmth, discretion, and authenticity. As she puts it: “While a balance sheet tells you what a family owns, a story tells you who they are.” /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/41170860

You Can’t Lead the Next Generation If You’re Not Around For It — Dr. Mark Su on Longevity 04/20/2026

You Can’t Lead the Next Generation If You’re Not Around For It — Dr. Mark Su on Longevity The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 158: You Can’t Lead the Next Generation If You’re Not Around For It — Dr. Mark Su on Longevity In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Dr. Mark Su, functional and longevity medicine physician, founder of RootSeek Health and True Wellness Clinic in New England, for a wide-ranging conversation on what it actually means to take authority over your own biology. Dr. Su breaks down the three-category framework he uses in his longevity practice — age-related diseases, cellular root causes of aging, and lifestyle factors anchored by muscle health — and explains why your biologic age matters far more than your chronological one. They explore the groundbreaking science behind epigenetics, telomere health, biologic age testing, and VO2 max, and why moving just one category in your VO2 max ranking is statistically more protective than quitting smoking or eliminating heart disease. Dr. Su also tackles the overwhelm of the longevity information landscape, the critical role of self-advocacy in healthcare, the underappreciated connection between trauma, ACE scores, and chronic disease, and where AI fits — and doesn’t — in helping individuals prioritize their health. A conversation for driven family business leaders who are ready to invest in their most important asset: themselves. Episode Chapters · 4:40 Meet Dr. Mark Su · 8:07 Why Longevity Is Having a Moment · 12:03 Genetics vs. Epigenetics: How Much Authority Do You Have? · 17:29 The Three Categories of Longevity Medicine · 27:36 The Four Horsemen: Age-Related Diseases · 29:00 Cellular Root Causes of Aging: Telomeres, Biologic Age, and Immunity · 32:00 Muscle as Your Longevity Organ and the VO2 Max Breakthrough · 35:47 Testing: What’s Available, What’s DIY, and What Requires a Doctor · 41:44 Trauma, ACE Scores, and the Stress-Longevity Connection · 47:38 How to Find the Right Practitioner · 53:00 The Role of AI in Personalizing Your Health · 57:37 Hyperbaric Chambers and Emerging Treatments · 58:46 Resources and Farewell Websites · drmarksu.com · rootseekhealth.com · truewellnessclinic.com · chrisyonker.com About Dr. Mark Su Dr. Mark Su is a functional and longevity medicine physician with over a decade of practice experience in New England. He is the founder of RootSeek Health, a virtual practice specializing in chronic inflammation and longevity medicine with no geographic boundaries, and a co-founder of True Wellness Clinic, a brick-and-mortar longevity clinic offering in-person procedural treatments including hyperbaric oxygen therapy and IV ozone. Trained at Tufts and deeply influenced by the pioneering biological age research of his wife, Dr. Jessica Su of Harvard, Dr. Mark Su brings a systems-level, root-cause approach to helping patients understand where they are biologically — and what they can actually do about it. His work bridges chronic disease, longevity science, and the belief that every person deserves a clear map for living their healthiest, fullest life. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/40729955

The Conversation Your Family Needs to Have Before You Die — with Attorney Don Ford 04/06/2026

The Conversation Your Family Needs to Have Before You Die — with Attorney Don Ford The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 157: The Conversation Your Family Needs to Have Before You Die — with Attorney Don Ford In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Don Don Ford III, estate planning attorney and founding partner at Ford Bergner in Texas, for a candid conversation about the estate planning conversations most families are actively avoiding — and what it costs them when they do. Drawing on over 30 years of working with high-net-worth families and business owners, Don shares the real-world consequences of leaving heirs unprepared, how to think objectively about your children's attributes when designing an estate plan, and why putting the wrong people in the wrong roles can unravel decades of wealth building in a courtroom. They explore the danger of co-beneficiary trusts, the $88–$125 trillion great wealth transfer underway through 2045, and how the next generation can have respectful conversations with aging parents about the future. Don also offers practical guidance on how to select and vet your advisory team — and why introducing your kids to your advisors now may be the most important wealth transfer move you make. Episode Chapters · 2:01 Meet Don Ford · 4:45 What Actually Keeps Families Together · 7:42 When Wealth Lands Without Warning · 11:04 The Burden Nobody Asked For · 15:49 Fair vs. Equal: The Executor Trap · 19:00 When the Board Destroys the Business · 22:11 Trust Structures That Blow Up Later · 25:43 The $125 Trillion Transfer · 31:21 What Wealthy Families Actually Look Like Up Close · 33:54 Advice for the Patriarch or Matriarch · 36:46 What Next Gen Should Be Asking · 40:02 Build Your Advisory Team · 43:44 Resources and Farewell Websites · fordbergner.com · chrisyonker.com About Don Ford Don Don Ford III is an estate planning attorney and founding partner at Ford Bergner, where he has spent over 30 years advising high-net-worth families, business owners, and multi-generational family enterprises across Texas on estate and trust planning, wealth transfer, and family governance. A graduate of accounting with a law degree focused on estate and trust work, Don brings both technical precision and a deeply human perspective to some of the most complex and emotionally charged decisions families face. He is a frequent advisor on trust litigation, family board disputes, and the design of governance structures built to last beyond the founding generation. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/40603700

The Hollow Win: What a mid-eight figure Exit Taught One CEO About Money, Purpose, and What Actually Matters with Nate Collins 03/23/2026

The Hollow Win: What a mid-eight figure Exit Taught One CEO About Money, Purpose, and What Actually Matters with Nate Collins The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 156: The Hollow Win: What a mid-eight figure Exit Taught One CEO About Money, Purpose, and What Actually Matters with Nate collins In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker, interviews Nate Collins, of Raymond James on why family businesses should prepare for a potential sale even if they have no intention to sell. Collins shares his experience taking over a 170–180-year-old New York City licensing company owned by 16 families, receiving an unsolicited offer, and completing a financially strong but imperfect exit due to limited preparation and lack of independent board oversight. They discuss reducing key-person risk, documenting processes, upgrading accounting and systems, strengthening management teams, and regularly revisiting future org needs as markets change. Collins emphasizes clarifying business, personal, and financial goals; using advisors as investments; and starting with an exit planner to coordinate M&A, legal, tax, and wealth planning. He also addresses post-exit purpose, community, and wellbeing, and offers a free quarterly exit planning workshop. · 02:35 Meet Nate Collins · 03:59 Running a Multi Family Firm · 05:53 The Unplanned Sale Lessons · 09:40 Build to Be Transferable · 15:45 Succession Org Planning · 18:28 Next Gen Reality Check · 23:00 Assemble the Exit Team · 26:04 Wealth Without Ruin · 29:53 Purpose After the Exit · 37:46 Resources and Farewell Websites: · . · · · Nate Bio: Nate is a former CEO who managed a successful exit to a large, PE-backed media company. He now works with a limited number of business owners, CEOs, and their families to help ensure they are achieving their financial goals. As a Financial Advisor and Certified Exit Planning Advisor, he provides in-depth tax mitigation and estate planning strategies, as well as financial planning and investment management. Nate helps owners understand exit readiness and options, wealth transfer, gain family alignment, and prepare for “life after exit.” /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/40512805

Stop Reacting, Start Strategizing with Patrick Thean 03/09/2026

Stop Reacting, Start Strategizing with Patrick Thean The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 155 - Stop Reacting, Start Strategizing with Patrick Thean Host Chris Yonker introduces the Enlightened Family Business Podcast and interviews Patrick Thean, a bestselling author and early contributor to scaling-up methodologies, on practical planning and execution for small to mid-sized (especially family) businesses facing succession or sale. Patrick shares his journey from Singapore to the U.S., training as an electrical engineer, working at Oracle, founding and selling a transportation logistics software company, and discovering a calling to help CEOs succeed. They discuss establishing an annual strategic planning rhythm, including SWOT/aspirations and specific “winning moves”, quarterly 13-week execution plans, limiting priorities to three to five objectives, and balancing strategic vs. operational initiatives based on whether the business is in crisis. Patrick emphasizes using facilitators and outside-industry perspectives to overcome blind spots, avoiding overreliance on benchmarking, and reframing accountability as support for commitments, clarity, and agreed consequences. · 03:06 Meet Patrick Thean · 03:36 From Engineer to Founder · 07:11 Selling and Finding Purpose · 08:17 Helping CEOs Succeed · 10:43 Family Business Transitions · 14:33 Annual and Quarterly Rhythm · 18:04 Three to Five Priorities · 19:18 Strategy vs Firefighting · 23:44 Small Tweaks Win · 25:12 One Permanent Improvement · 31:41 Let the Pro Lead · 35:12 Blind Spots and Tunnel Vision · 38:36 Accountability as Support Websites: · . · · · · Patrick Bio: Patrick Thean is a USA Today and Wall Street Journal bestselling author, award-winning entrepreneur, and world-renowned strategy execution expert. He is the creator of the Think Plan Do® process and co-founder of Rhythm Systems®, helping CEOs achieve breakthrough results and scale with clarity. A seasoned CEO coach and speaker, Patrick has empowered thousands of leaders to turn vision into execution and boost company valuations along the way. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/40356600

How a Family Turned a Passion Project into a Resilient Brand With Jodi Scott 02/23/2026

How a Family Turned a Passion Project into a Resilient Brand With Jodi Scott The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 154 - How a Family Turned a Passion Project into a Resilient Brand With Jodi Scott In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker welcomes Jodi Scott, co-founder of Green Goo. Together, they discuss the unexpected path her family took into the family business, which led to their product being distributed in over 150,000 retail locations. Jodi shares insights into their family dynamics, the influence of her parents, and the valuable lessons learned from their upbringing in a military household. The conversation dives into the challenges they faced, including a major setback that led them to buy back their company. Jodi emphasizes the importance of communication, proactive support, and mentoring in maintaining a healthy family business environment. The episode concludes with Jodi offering advice for other family-run businesses and recommending Green Go products, notably the versatile first aid ointment and skin repair cream. · 00:54 Jodi Scott's Journey into Family Business · 02:28 Early Life and Influences · 07:31 The Birth of Green Go · 12:52 Sisterly Bond and Business Dynamics · 19:32 From Farmer's Market to Full-Fledged Business · 22:27 Challenges and Seeking Guidance · 24:42 Establishing Trust and Roles in Family Business · 27:34 Implementing Family Employment Policies · 29:05 Expanding to Retail and Online Markets · 30:07 Navigating Military Market and Retail Challenges · 34:09 Facing and Overcoming Business Crises · 39:16 Rebuilding and Future Plans · 42:57 Advice for Family Businesses Websites: · . · · · Jodi’s Bio: Jodi Scott is the Founder of Green Goo and CEO of Spry Life, a family-owned portfolio of plant-based wellness brands. She co-founded Green Goo with her mother and sister in a small farmhouse kitchen, hand-crafting herbal salves that grew into a nationally distributed plant-based first aid brand carried in over 120,000 stores. With a background in biology, pre-med studies, and a Master’s in Health Psychology, Jodi bridges traditional herbal medicine with modern science, focusing on clean healing, nervous system resilience, and reducing everyday endocrine disruptors. Her work emphasizes how small, thoughtful inputs compound over time, in health, leadership, and family systems. Jodi has lived every role inside a family business: product formulator, order packer, marketer, executive, and daughter. After selling Green Goo and later navigating a complex buyback to reclaim the company, she brings rare firsthand insight into continuity, conflict, trust, and alignment across generations. Today, Jodi works alongside her family running operations from their Colorado farm while mentoring other founders on building values-driven businesses that prioritize people, purpose, and long-term resilience. Her work sits at the intersection of wellness, entrepreneurship, and conscious family leadership. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/40066575

A Family Built Startup Story From The Kitchen Table with Mehmet Tascioglu 02/09/2026

A Family Built Startup Story From The Kitchen Table with Mehmet Tascioglu The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 153 - A Family Built Startup Story From The Kitchen Table with Mehmet Tascioglu In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker interviews Mehmet Tascioglu, the Gen Z founder of Mosaic Cakes, a unique family business based in the Detroit area. Mehmet shares his entrepreneurial journey, starting from his family's experience during the Great Recession, through his initial ventures like Connect Me Tutoring, to the establishment of Mosaic Cakes. The discussion delves into the values instilled by Mehmet's father, the significance of family collaboration, navigating decision-making, and the challenges of introducing a new product to the market. Mehmet offers insights on the importance of mentorship, the influence of cultural heritage, and his vision for Mosaic Cakes as a symbol of the American melting pot. The conversation also explores generational differences, the role of tradition and innovation in family businesses, and the aspiration to build an ethical and impactful brand. · 00:54 Meet the Gen Z Founder: Mehmet Tascioglu · 03:14 The Origin Story of Mosaic Cakes · 05:38 Building a Business During the Pandemic · 09:10 The Unique Appeal of Mosaic Cakes · 13:24 Family Dynamics in Business · 18:24 Leadership and Decision Making · 19:08 Defining Family Business Values · 20:21 Family Influence on Business · 25:23 Generational Perspectives and Challenges · 32:12 The Importance of Mentorship · 34:24 Future Plans for Mosaic Cakes Websites: · . · · · · Mehmet’s Bio: Mehmet is Co-Founder & Managing Partner at Mosaic Cakes. Prior to starting Mosaic Cakes, Mehmet founded the nonprofit Connect Me Tutoring in 2020, which has since grown into the nation’s largest youth-run free tutoring service, providing over 40,000 sessions. Mosaic Cakes is a Michigan-based gourmet dessert company pioneering an entirely new category in the American market. Founded by Mehmet (Stanford MS&E), his mother Senay, and his brother Emir, the company transforms a cherished family recipe into handcrafted premium triangular cakes featuring crushed butter cookies folded into signature chocolate sauce with fresh fruits, crunchy nuts, or other premium ingredients, creating a stunning mosaic pattern in every slice. What began as a beloved family tradition—a dessert the founders grew up enjoying at birthday parties, family gatherings, and celebrations—has become a thriving direct-to-consumer and wholesale business. Throughout their lives, the family witnessed how even the pickiest eaters absolutely loved these cakes, validating that this exceptional flavor experience deserved to be shared with communities across America. At its core, the company's mission centers on positivity, inclusivity, and courage, helping Americans discover a dessert experience unavailable anywhere else in grocery stores, bakeries, or restaurants while building a values-driven business that celebrates family heritage and entrepreneurial spirit. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/39905940

Preparing Next Gen Family Leaders for 2030 and Beyond with Amit Egan Datwani 01/26/2026

Preparing Next Gen Family Leaders for 2030 and Beyond with Amit Egan Datwani The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 152 - Preparing Next Gen Family Leaders for 2030 and Beyond with Amit Egan Datwani In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker introduces Amit Egan Datwani, an advisor and consultant in the ultra high net worth space. They discuss the transformative changes affecting the commercial real estate industry, particularly influenced by the pandemic. Datwani shares insights on the importance of deep personal work, spiritual and emotional development for the next generation, and how these factors contribute to innovation and family business continuity. They also touch on the roles of creative intelligence and adaptability in navigating the evolving real estate market. The conversation emphasizes the necessity for families to address inner dysfunction to ensure sustainable business success. · 00:54 The Changing Landscape of Commercial Real Estate · 01:25 Meet Amit Egan Datwani: A Journey in Family Business and Real Estate · 04:22 Amit's Personal and Professional Evolution · 09:47 The Direction Amit’s Work is Evolving · 12:38 Helping Families Find Alignment · 16:37 The Importance of Inner Work and Innovation in Family Businesses · 19:04 How to Know if Your Business Needs to Make a Change · 27:03 The Importance of Personal Development for Next-Gen Leaders · 44:22 The Future of Real Estate and Family Business Websites: · . · · · Amit’s Bio: Amit is the Founder and Chief Consultant of Global Consulting Organization (GCO). GCO is an internationally positioned Project-Starting Firm that’s Visioning, Branding, and Marketing the Neighborhoods, Communities, and Cities of the Future—with particular expertise in Office Building TRANSFORMATION to SUPERCHARGE today’s unsustainable Central Business Districts into Profitable and Purposeful Places of the Future. GCO is leading the movement for Real Estate’s first TRULY-INTEGRATED Project Development Model: . Amit showcases this innovation and keen mindset for Transformational Development as the engaging host of and as a headlining speaker or guest collaborator at . With these credits, he is an influential C-Suite Advisor on the Future of Office Buildings, offering evolutionary perspectives about the vital power of Branding & Marketing in Commercial Real Estate, as well as how the concept of "Central Living Districts" will RE-imagine the Industry for . As the leader of the , Amit ACTIVATES Best-in-Class creative talent from inside and outside the Real Estate Industry to LAUNCH Development Projects with a Unified Creative Vision. Using this VISION as a Project’s lead facilitator, he’s the driving force behind the movement to ELEVATE “The Human Experience” through the Built Environment, an essential commitment of the DESIGN|BRAND|BUILD Model. With two decades of experience working in & with Family Businesses in Real Estate (and previously the Apparel Industry), Amit also advises Multigenerational and Family Office Clients on how to integrate diverse perspectives into a cohesive, purposeful VISION that delivers superior outcomes. Amit is trilingual, proficient in English, Spanish, and Hindi. Leading with his Visionary Spirit, he mentors NEXT-GENERATION talent, including work with students at George Washington University's Center for Real Estate & Urban Analysis and at the Dwight-Englewood School. Amit enjoys spending time with his wife (a Writer and longtime Yoga Teacher), 27-year-old stepson (a New Jersey State Trooper and Personal Trainer), and 15-year-old son (who dreams of playing in the NBA). They love playing pickleball, boating, and exploring everything that South Florida has to offer. For inspiration, Amit LOVES reading, practicing yoga, and taking long walks around cities, ALWAYS thinking about TURNING IDEAS INTO REALITY. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/39808235

From Daughter to CEO - Navigating Family Business Transitions with Amanda Osmer 01/12/2026

From Daughter to CEO - Navigating Family Business Transitions with Amanda Osmer The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 151 - From Daughter to CEO - Navigating Family Business Transitions with Amanda Osmer In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker talks with Amanda Osmer of Grappone Automotive, a New Hampshire-based family business rooted back to 1924. Amanda shares her journey growing up in a family business, how she eventually decided to be part of it, and the challenges she faced during the transition phase. The conversation touches on the significance of clear communication, inner awareness, and flexible governance. Amanda also discusses the importance of building a strong leadership team, handling multiple successions, and maintaining business integrity. Listeners gain insights into Amanda's dedication to community, the values driving her leadership, and her thoughts on keeping the family business resilient amid industry changes. · 01:29 Amanda Osmer's Journey in the Family Business · 03:14 Growing Up in a Family Business · 07:17 Sibling Dynamics and Family Business Covenant · 10:10 Amanda's Commitment and Vision for the Future · 16:22 Navigating Family Business Transitions · 23:02 Navigating Personal and Professional Boundaries · 26:07 Implementing the EOS System · 29:56 Family Employment Policies · 35:21 Commitment to Community and Integrity · 39:34 Documenting Family Business History Websites: · . · · · Amanda’s Bio: Amanda Grappone Osmer is the fourth generation of her family to own and help operate Grappone Automotive, established by her great-grandparents as a single gas station in 1924. Today Grappone represents four new car manufacturers with sales, service, and retail and wholesale parts departments. They employ about 350 Team Members and are located in Bow, NH. Team Grappone operates in an environment in which the whole person is asked to show up and participate at work with the company's mission in mind: to build lifelong relationships with team members, guests, and the community by serving with integrity, kindness, and respect. In 2017 Amanda launched Leadership Grappone, a program that seeks out the company's emerging leaders and challenges them mentally, emotionally, and physically over a nine-month period with the goal of uncovering their true leadership potential. Faith and volunteer work are central to Amanda’s life purpose, and she has served on many nonprofit and advisory boards in her career. One project near to her heart is the co-founding of The Dewey School, a nature-based preschool located at Canterbury Shaker Village. She lives in Sanbornton, NH with her husband, a high school coach and all-around amazing human being, their three children, dog and other critters, and fruit and veggie gardens. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/39684485

Fragile Power: Wealth, Identity, and Mental Health with Dr. Paul Hokemeyer 12/29/2025

Fragile Power: Wealth, Identity, and Mental Health with Dr. Paul Hokemeyer The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 150 - Fragile Power: Wealth, Identity, and Mental Health with Dr. Paul Hokemeyer In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker talks with Dr. Paul Hokemeyer, an expert in family business governance and mental health, about the complexities of wealth and psychological well-being. They delve into how societal perceptions of wealth impact individuals and families, leading to feelings of isolation, mistrust, and hyper-agency. Dr. Hokemeyer shares his journey from law to clinical psychology and discusses the importance of cultural competency in behavioral healthcare for high-net-worth individuals. Key topics include the challenges of managing narcissistic personalities within family systems, the necessity of setting enforceable boundaries, and the role of external support in fostering healthier family dynamics. · 01:54 Introducing Dr. Paul Hokemeyer · 04:50 Dr. Paul's Journey and Career Path · 07:14 Challenges Faced by Wealthy Individuals · 13:41 The Intersection of Wealth and Identity · 22:48 Therapeutic Approaches and Observations · 30:32 Hierarchies and Tribes in Human Society · 31:13 Isolation and Wealth · 35:31 Understanding and Treating Wealthy Patients · 39:20 Narcissism in Family Systems · 44:31 Dealing with Narcissistic Family Members · 49:58 The Role of External Support Systems Websites: · . · · · Dr. Paul Bio: Dr. Paul Hokemeyer (J.D., Ph.D.) believes mental health matters for everyone, everywhere. He is the founding principal of Drayson Mews and author of Fragile Power: Why Having Everything is Never Enough (Hazelden, 2019) and Fragile Power 2.0: Wealth, Narcissism & Mental Health (2024), the leading resources for individuals, couples, and families of wealth seeking culturally respectful and clinically effective mental health services. In addition, Dr. Paul serves as the Senior Wellness Expert to Ispahani Advisory, a London-based consulting firm specializing in multijurisdictional, ultra-high-net-worth families. He is an Associate Member of the American Association for Addiction Medicine and holds a Clinical Fellow designation with the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy where he received the 2025 award for Media Excellence. Prior to graduating from the Harvard Medical School’s Global Leaders in Healthcare program, Dr. Paul studied the use of digital technologies at the Yale School of Management. In addition to his academic and clinical work, Dr. Paul has extensive experience in the realm of philanthropy. He has stewarded over three million U.S. dollars to enhance the delivery of direct mental health services to disenfranchised communities across America, as well as through the Yale School of Public Health. Additionally, he serves as a trustee of the Palm Springs Art Museum, one of the world's premier centers for mid-century art, architecture, and design. Dr. Paul’s research in the realm of wealth and mental health has been peer-reviewed and published in the Journal of Wealth Management, the International Family Offices Journal, Globe Law and Business, and Lambert Academic Press. His work has been featured in a wide variety of international media outlets including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The World Economic Forum, the Johns Hopkins Newsletter, Harvard Business Review Arabia, CNN, Men’s Health, The Guardian, Tatler (where he was selected as one of the world’s top ‘problem solvers’), the Campden Club, the Institute of Private Investors, WebMD, Psych Central and others. He is on the editorial board of Middle East Business News and Magazine, a leading resource for family businesses and entrepreneurs in the MENA region. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/39556480

When Families face Echoes of the Past with Steve Legler 12/15/2025

Managing Stress and Anxiety for Optimal Performance with Elle Ingalls 12/01/2025

Managing Stress and Anxiety for Optimal Performance with Elle Ingalls The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 148: Managing Stress and Anxiety for Optimal Performance with Elle Ingalls In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Performance Coach and stress expert Elle Ingalls. They discuss strategies for handling stress responses, especially in high-pressure situations. Elle shares her journey from a symphonic conductor to a coach for athletes and executives, highlighting techniques to interrupt stress and improve performance. The conversation covers the biological aspects of stress, misconceptions about dealing with stress, and practical exercises to stay calm and focused. By exploring how to create a supportive environment and maintain inner awareness, this episode offers valuable insights for anyone looking to perform their best in both personal and professional realms. · 01:28 Meet Elle Ingalls: From Music to Mental Toughness · 03:39 The Birth of a Coaching Journey · 08:49 The Science Behind Stress and Performance · 16:08 Addressing Anxiety in Today's World · 24:23 Debunking Myths About Stress · 27:26 Personal Breakthrough and Client Success Stories · 28:18 Understanding the Stress Response · 29:00 Individual Reactions to Stress · 30:33 Self-Awareness and Stress Management · 35:13 Practical Techniques for Reducing Anxiety · 43:00 The Role of Conductors and Musicians · 48:37 The Impact of Stress on Health and Longevity Websites: · . · · Elle’s Books: Elle Ingalls Bio: Elle Ingalls is the author of Pressure-Free Parenting and The Pressure-Free CEO. She’s the creator of The Pressure-Free Method, a revolutionary performance method designed to help high-achieving individuals from CEOs to students to break free from stress and unlock their full potential. With a unique blend of expertise as a performance coach, executive, college athlete, and professional musician, Elle developed this method to stop the fight-or-flight stress response before it starts, enabling sharper decision-making, increased resilience, and greater success without burnout. People turn to Elle when the pressure is high and the stakes are higher. Her method offers practical, science-based tools to navigate intense demands while maintaining clarity, confidence, and health. Whether you're leading an organization or team, feeling the pressures of performance at work or school, or have challenges with your health or relationships, Elle empowers you to rise above stress, boost productivity, and thrive in both business and life—pressure-free. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/39216035

The Inner Work of Leadership in a Family Business with Kevin Hancock 11/17/2025

The Inner Work of Leadership in a Family Business with Kevin Hancock The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 147: The Inner Work of Leadership in a Family Business with Kevin Hancock In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker interviews Kevin Hancock, Chair of Hancock Lumber, about his journey and transformation in leadership. Kevin shares his personal and professional challenges, including losing his father to cancer, navigating a significant economic recession, and coping with a rare voice disorder. Kevin's experiences led him to initiate major cultural changes at Hancock Lumber, focusing on putting employees first and fostering authentic, meaningful work environments. He also discusses his connection with the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, where he found inspiration and a new perspective on leadership and the human experience. The episode delves into themes of self-discovery, healing, family business governance, and preparing future generations to lead with heart and authenticity. · 00:54 Meet Kevin Hancock: A Legacy of Resilience · 03:42 Navigating Personal and Professional Challenges · 13:36 The 2008 Economic Crisis and Its Impact · 18:58 A Journey of Self-Discovery and Healing · 27:25 Finding Purpose at Pine Ridge · 32:22 The Emotional Draw to Pine Ridge · 36:25 The Power of Presence and Authenticity · 40:21 The Impact of Prioritizing Employee Experience · 50:47 The Role of Ownership and Family Legacy · 59:24 The Importance of Inner Work and Self-Discovery Websites: · . · · · Kevin’s Books Kevin’s Bio: KEVIN HANCOCK is the Executive Chairman of one of America’s oldest family businesses as well as an award-winning author and nationally recognized public speaker. Established in 1848, Hancock Lumber Company is led by its 720 employees operating 12 lumberyards, 3 sawmills, a truss manufacturing facility, and timberlands in Maine, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts. Since 2014, Hancock Lumber has been recognized with the ‘Best Places to Work in Maine’ award. The company is also a recipient of the Maine Family Business of the Year Award, the Governor’s Award for Business Excellence, the ProSales National Dealer of the Year Award, and the Maine Retailer of the Year Award. Kevin is a past chairman of the Northeastern Retail Lumber Association, the National Lumber & Building Material Dealers Association, and the Bridgton Academy Board of Trustees. Kevin has also served of the Board of Directors for the Hussey Seating Corporation in Maine, the Seneca Sawmill Corporation in Oregon, and the Maine Indian Tribal State Commission. Kevin is a recipient of the Ed Muskie ‘Access to Justice’ Award, the Habitat for Humanity ‘Spirit of Humanity’ Award, the Maine Development Foundation ‘Ken Curtis Leadership Award’, and the Maine Basketball Hall of Fame ‘Directors Award’. Kevin also partners with the executive coaching firm to provide senior management training programs around the concepts of shared leadership, dispersed power, and deep employee engagement. Kevin is a frequent visitor to the in South Dakota and an advocate of strengthening the voices of all individuals—within a company or a community —through listening, empowering, and shared leadership. He is a graduate of Bowdoin College and lives in Maine with his wife Alison. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/39066695

How Great Leaders Turn Challenges into Puzzles with Radhika Dutt 11/03/2025

How Great Leaders Turn Challenges into Puzzles with Radhika Dutt The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 146: How Great Leaders Turn Challenges into Puzzles with Radhika Dutt In this, the first episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker engages with guest Radhika, a seasoned advisor and published author, to discuss transformative strategies for family businesses. They delve into the concept of replacing traditional goal setting with a 'puzzle setting and puzzle solving' approach, emphasizing curiosity, adaptability, and collaborative learning. The discussion explores how family businesses can navigate succession, integrate innovative thinking, and balance risk while fostering clear communication and family alignment. This episode offers valuable insights for family business owners and leaders seeking sustainable growth and harmonious leadership transition. · 00:55 The Old Model of Goal Setting · 01:49 Guest Introduction: Radhika's Background · 06:37 The Puzzle Setting Approach · 07:38 The Importance of Succession Planning · 16:52 The Problems with KPIs and Target Setting · 21:48 Shifting from Goals to Puzzles in Business · 23:44 Implementing Puzzle Solving in Sales · 28:02 Collaborative Learning and Curiosity · 33:11 Navigating Family Business Transitions · 38:54 Balancing Risk in Family Businesses · 41:24 Learning from Other Industries · 43:59 Conclusion and Resources Websites: · . · · · Radhika’s Bio: Radhika Dutt is the author of which has been translated into Chinese and Japanese. The methodology she introduced in her first book is now used in over 40 countries. She is an entrepreneur, speaker, and product leader who has participated in five acquisitions, two of which were companies that she founded. She is currently Advisor on Product Thinking to the Monetary Authority of Singapore (Singapore’s central bank and financial regulator), and does consulting and training for organizations ranging from high-tech startups to multinationals on building radical products that create a fundamental change. Radhika has built products in a wide range of industries including broadcast, media and entertainment, telecom, advertising technology, government, consumer apps, robotics, and even wine. She graduated from MIT with an SB and M.Eng in Electrical Engineering, and speaks nine languages. Radhika is now working on her second book – it’s about why goals and targets backfire and what actually works. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/38863555

Welcome to the Enlightened Family Business Podcast 10/31/2025

The ROI of Inner Work: Why Conscious Leaders Outperform with Michael Brabant 10/20/2025

The ROI of Inner Work: Why Conscious Leaders Outperform with Michael Brabant Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 145 The ROI of Inner Work: Why Conscious Leaders Outperform with Michael Brabant In this episode of 'Secret Thoughts of CEOs and Business Leaders,' host Chris Yonker delves into a profound conversation with Dr. Michael Brabant, a PhD, who specializes in leadership and personal development. They explore the future of leadership, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability, authenticity, and psychological safety within organizations. Dr. Brabant shares his personal journey, discussing his work on integrating higher states of consciousness into leadership and recounting his path from academia to leading meditation retreats and coaching top executives. The discussion also covers the interplay between individual and collective growth, the significance of nervous system regulation, and the transformational potential when leaders model true openness and humility. This episode offers valuable insights for leaders looking to deepen their impact and foster a more connected and empowered workplace. · 01:01 Exploring Leadership with Dr. Michael Brabant · 02:38 Michael's Journey and Insights · 07:46 The Importance of Vulnerability in Leadership · 15:52 Navigating Family Systems and Truth · 25:28 Codependency and Sovereignty in Leadership · 31:33 Inner and Outer Leadership Dynamics · 36:41 Emergent Leadership and Consciousness · 44:11 The ROI of Inner Work for Leaders · 48:46 Conclusion and Resources Quotes · ” I think that in a world of AI and spoken wisdom that's not lived. People can try to close the gap of who they want to be and who they actually are by rhetoric and by tactics, and by complexity.”[03:36] · ” Most people aren't vulnerable unless they have to be.”[11:40] · “ And if my sparkler is lit because I'm lit, I have a lit relationship with my wife. I have a healthy relationship with my body. I'm connected spiritually. When I'm in my leadership role, I'm catalytic. I'm spiritually contagious, and it helps to light people's sparklers.’ [45:04] Websites: · . · · · /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/38646880

Family Business at a Crossroads: Navigating Relationships, Governance & Legacy with Ruschelle Khanna 10/06/2025

Family Business at a Crossroads: Navigating Relationships, Governance & Legacy with Ruschelle Khanna Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 144 Family Business at a Crossroads: Navigating Relationships, Governance & with Ruschelle Khanna. In this episode, host Chris Yonker delves into the intricacies of family business management with guest expert Ruschelle Khanna. They discuss the importance of family governance, handling narcissistic family members, and breaking cycles of resentment. Ruschelle shares her journey from therapy to working with ultra-high-net-worth families and offers actionable advice for next-gen leaders in family businesses. Listeners are encouraged to seek support and set clear boundaries to foster healthier family dynamics and long-term business success. · 01:31 Guest Introduction: Rochelle's Journey · 07:08 Chris Yoker's Background and Personal Story · 08:09 Understanding Family Dynamics and Trauma · 15:40 Navigating Family Business Challenges · 23:49 Dealing with Narcissistic Family Members · 28:42 Navigating Narcissistic Relationships · 30:52 Setting Boundaries with Narcissists · 32:32 The Importance of Family Governance · 37:14 Educating the Next Generation · 43:04 Addressing Family Resentments · 49:53 Taking Action on Family Issues Quotes · ”I started to see this overlap between. Money and health and family patterns and how it's all, we can't separate it at all.” [05:58] · ” Do some work yourself, because you're the ripple that is gonna start impacting the rest of the family. And when you shift your whole family shifts.”[19:02] · “ Yeah, because it's both, right? There's what a lot of times it's like, look, I believe you. Your family's difficult. I am not discrediting that. But you also are bringing a bunch of stuff that is probably not helpful, and that's usually what I see.’ [52:09] Websites: · . · · · /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/38491260

Stop Leading on Autopilot: Mastering Conscious Communication with Chuck Wisner 09/22/2025

Stop Leading on Autopilot: Mastering Conscious Communication with Chuck Wisner Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 143 Stop Leading on Autopilot: Mastering Conscious Communication. With Chuck Wisner In this episode, Chris Yonker dives into the family business world and effective communication strategies, with this week’s guest, Chuck Wisner. Chuck is a seasoned advisor and coach in communication and leadership. Together, they discuss Chuck’s book The Art of Conscious Conversations. The discussion explores themes such as the importance of examining hidden thoughts and stories that influence our communication patterns, the process of improving listening and communication skills, and strategies for facilitating effective conversations in high-stakes environments. Chuck shares insights on the value of awareness, vulnerability, and intention in transforming how we talk, listen, and interact, both in family settings and professional teams. · 01:31 The Importance of Conscious Conversations · 04:27 Understanding Conversational Patterns · 09:44 The Power of Stories in Communication · 14:29 Navigating Communication Challenges · 17:45 Improving Listening and Understanding · 20:36 The Practice of Managing Triggers · 23:27 Building Better Conversations · 25:19 The Power of Open-Handed Communication · 28:02 Navigating Hostility in Teams and Families · 28:58 Facilitation Techniques for Effective Dialogue · 30:16 The Importance of Listening and Perspective Sharing · 33:05 Leadership and the Power of Influence · 41:09 Self-Awareness and Changing Behavioral Quotes · ” I think we never were taught the ABCs of conversations, it's like, your notion about the fish and water. I use a similar quote all the time. We're like humans in conversation, not aware of the water we're swimming in, you know, we're just in it, because it's so habitual [07:58] · ” It’s this ego thing of holding onto your position tightly, having the answer. Rather than saying, can I learn something, Can I be a little humble? [26:11] · “My basic theory is the bigger the gap between what I'm seeing out loud and what I'm thinking, the more stress we live in.’ [39:33] Websites: · . · · · · Facebook: · LinkedIn: /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/38300975

The Art of Transitions, Maintaining Harmony, and Heritage with Scott Anderson 09/08/2025

The Art of Transitions, Maintaining Harmony, and Heritage with Scott Anderson Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 142 The Art of Transitions, Maintaining Harmony, and Heritage with Scott Anderson In this deeply revealing episode, Chris Yonker sits down with Scott Anderson, founder and CEO of Doubledare Executive Coaching and a licensed mental health therapist, to unpack the silent epidemic of burnout among entrepreneurs and executives. With personal experience as a serial entrepreneur and trauma-informed therapist, Scott shares the real definition of burnout, why high performers are most susceptible to it, and how to reverse it—quickly and permanently. They explore the psychology behind overworking, the nervous system’s role in stress addiction, and the cultural myths that keep us in cycles of burnout. Scott outlines a practical path to healing and freedom, including how to neutralize the stories that drive compulsive behavior, how to regulate stress in real-time, and what life looks like on the other side of burnout. 02:00 - What is burnout and how do we define it 04:20 - Scott’s personal story: serial entrepreneurship and collapse 06:40 - The official definition and symptoms of burnout 08:30 - When rest doesn’t help: signs it’s not “just stress” 10:15 - The dangerous story behind entrepreneurial drive 14:00 - How childhood trauma contributes to burnout patterns 18:30 - Somatic stress recovery vs. “figuring it out” in your head 22:00 - R&R technique for real-time stress release 26:30 - What life after burnout looks like 32:00 - How to neutralize your most toxic stories Quotes · “Working harder and worrying more works - until it doesn’t.” [09:10] · “The most dangerous part is that burnout actually predicts financial success. That’s what makes it so insidious.” [37:20] · “Life beyond burnout is not a compromise. It’s a profound upgrade.” [39:30] Websites: · . · · · – Learn more about Scott’s programs and book · – Schedule a free 15-minute triage call · – Available through Scott’s site Scott’s Bio: Scott Anderson is the founder and CEO of Doubledare Executive Coaching and Consulting, and is a licensed mental health therapist. He has been featured in both Forbes and Entrepreneur Magazines, and has helped hundreds of entrepreneurs and high-performance executives break through painful plateaus and achieve even higher levels of success and fulfillment at work and at home. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/38110515

Balancing Boardrooms and Bedrooms - When You and Your Spouse are in a Family Business Together 08/25/2025

Balancing Boardrooms and Bedrooms - When You and Your Spouse are in a Family Business Together Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 141 Balancing Boardrooms and Bedrooms - When You and Your Spouse are in a Family Business Together With Gabriela Embon In this powerful and practical episode, Chris Yonker is joined by transformational coach and author Gabriela Embon to explore what it really takes to sustain a legendary marriage—especially when love and business intertwine. Gabriela shares insights from her journey from engineer to relationship strategist and introduces the Four Pillars of Legendary Marriage from her book Becoming a Power Couple. Together, they dive into boundaries, communication, conflict repair, intimacy, self-awareness, co-leadership, and how couples can integrate their personal and professional lives with more grace, connection, and fulfillment. Whether you and your partner work together or not, this episode is packed with real-life tools to deepen your bond while still pursuing ambitious goals. 02:14 – Why relationships fall apart when home gets the “leftovers” 07:00 – “Your spouse comes first” - navigating loyalty and family friction 13:00 – Creating new identities when becoming a spouse and parent 16:00 – When both partners are drained - how disconnection begins 18:30 – Presence over performance: love is not about taking 24:00 – Operational vs. connection rituals to run a marriage well 26:30 – The power of “communication on demand” and weekly planning 28:00 – Physical intimacy as a foundation for emotional intimacy 30:00 – Couples working together: blending romance with strategy 35:30 – How affairs and breakdowns begin: the warning signs 38:00 – The bedroom is the sanctuary: why sleeping apart is a red flag 41:00 – Resentment, indifference, and relationship repair 44:25 – About Gabriela’s book and where to learn more Quotes · “Your spouse comes first—even before your children, your parents, your business partners. Nothing should come between you.”[07:32] · “When one partner feels like they’re getting the leftovers, it’s often because they’ve abandoned the co-creation of the relationship.”[16:07] · “Love is beautiful—but it’s not a strategy. Commitment is. Rituals are. Showing up even when you don’t feel like it is.”[28:30] Websites: · . · Gabriela’s Book: Own Your Choices Own Your Life: Own Your Creativity: Forgive and Thrive: /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/37983720

Succession without Sabotage: How to Pass the Baton and Protect Your Culture with Andy Busser 08/11/2025

Succession without Sabotage: How to Pass the Baton and Protect Your Culture with Andy Busser Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 140 Succession without Sabotage: How to Pass the Baton and Protect Your Culture with Andy Busser In this high-level conversation, Chris Yonker interviews Andy Busser, President and CEO of Pitcairn, a multi-family office with a deep legacy of serving ultra-wealthy families. Together, they unpack what it means to lead a family-owned enterprise, especially as a non-family CEO, and how modern governance, culture, and communication influence business longevity. Andy shares strategic insights and lived experience from both inside and outside the boardroom, including best practices for building fiduciary boards, designing family councils, developing rising generations, and aligning leadership around shared values. From employment policies to emotional landmines, this episode offers a rare look into the psychology, strategy, and heart of enduring family enterprises. Timestamps 02:00 - Meet Andy Busser: from consulting and PE to Pitcairn’s CEO 07:15 - Working with wealthy families: early client relationships that changed everything 11:10 - Educating the next generation: where and how to start the conversation 15:45 - Aligning values, interests, and business literacy in rising generations 20:00 - Family employment policies and why billion-dollar firms still lack them 24:10 - Hiring non-family CEOs and building fiduciary boards 28:40 - How to handle founder resistance, power transitions, and board pushback 32:20 - Addressing accountability and culture as primary family values 36:00 - Philanthropy: how separate pools can create clarity and harmony 39:30 - The importance of conflict, clarity, and governance documentation 45:15 - Trends in family business: what’s changing, and what’s still missing 50:30 - Why family retreats matter—and how to design them well 55:00 - Decision-making frameworks, role clarity, and culture building 1:00:00 - Andy’s perspective on culture, hiring, and leadership assessments 1:04:15 - Where to learn more about Pitcairn and connect with Andy Quotes · "If you want to own the business for generations, P&L has to come last. It’s not unimportant, it’s a byproduct of vision, people, and strategy."[31:30] · "Problems age like milk, not wine. If you let them fester, they only get worse."[48:10] · "We’re very intentional about the culture we want. Then we hire people who are great carriers of that culture."[60:45] Websites: · . · · Andy Busser President & Chief Executive Officer Bio: As CEO, Andy is responsible for guiding the firm’s client-centric culture and overseeing all of Pitcairn’s operations. His vision for the company is to continually evolve the Pitcairn client experience by enhancing the firm’s integrated approach to sophisticated family office services for multi-generational families. Andy has a passion for solving complex problems. He also has a gift for establishing meaningful, lasting professional relationships. These traits were instrumental over the past decade as he spearheaded efforts to make Pitcairn’s client experience a standard of excellence for family office service. His enthusiasm and curiosity inspire the entire Pitcairn team toward an unwavering focus on integration, innovation, and lifelong learning. Though known for his commitment to objective analysis, Andy sees Pitcairn as a driver of growth for both wealth and family relationships. His key priorities for Pitcairn are delivering an outstanding client experience, investing in talent, and leveraging technology. Andy’s previous professional positions positioned him to acquire the knowledge, proficiency, and insight needed to steer a 100-year-old family office into its next century. Before becoming CEO in 2023, he served as Pitcairn’s President of Family Office, where he led the firm’s team of relationship managers, analysts, and client communications professionals. Prior to joining Pitcairn in 2015, Andy was a partner at Symphony Capital, a healthcare-focused investment manager of private equity and hedge funds, and a management consultant at The Wilkerson Group/Wilkerson Partners. A steadfast advocate for the importance of helping families become successful stewards of wealth, Andy is an in-demand public speaker and frequently presents at events hosted by industry organizations, such as Family Wealth Alliance, Family Office Exchange, and Family Business Magazine’s Transitions and Family Business Legacy conferences. He is also sought out for his industry perspective by the business media and has been quoted in Barron’s, Bloomberg, Crain Currency, NPR, Family Business Magazine, and elsewhere. He is also a regular contributor to Forbes where he writes a column about issues relevant to family office operations. Andy is a member of the Wigmore Association, a global collaboration of chief executive officers and chief investment officers from five leading family offices around the world. Additionally, he has served on multiple boards and is currently on the CEO Council of Family Wealth Alliance and is a trustee of the National Committee on American Foreign Policy. A graduate of Colgate University, where he majored in history, Andy is naturally creative and enjoys painting, especially landscapes. He is an avid reader and usually travels with a history or economics book in hand. Originally from Columbus, Ohio, Andy, his wife, and two sons now call suburban Philadelphia home. Whenever possible, Andy enjoys skiing in the Rockies or fishing the waters off Cape Cod. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/37765470

Leadership Evolution & Strategy with Nicole Van Valen 07/28/2025

Leadership Evolution & Strategy with Nicole Van Valen Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 139 Leadership Evolution & Strategy with Nicole Van Valen In this inspiring and energizing conversation, Chris Yonker sits down with resilience strategist, author, and former NFL and NBA dancer Nicole Van Valen to explore the real ingredients behind sustainable leadership. From burnout recovery to joyful performance, Nicole shares how leaders can build emotional and strategic resilience in today’s fast-paced business world. They also dive into generational shifts in the workplace, the role of joy in high-performance leadership, and how managers can meet employees with empathy while maintaining accountability. Nicole’s therapeutic background and executive coaching experience combine to deliver a masterclass on modern leadership for anyone navigating stress, change, or challenge. Timestamps 02:10 – Introducing Nicole Van Valen: therapist, resilience strategist, former pro dancer 05:45 – From corporate burnout to joyful leadership 07:00 – Joy as a resilience resource: how dance kept Nicole grounded 10:45 – Should we do what we’re good at or what we love? 13:10 – Defining resilience: the basketball metaphor for bouncing forward 16:05 – The razor’s edge: individual pathways through adversity 19:45 – Resilience lessons from COVID and beyond 22:15 – Empathy vs. accountability: navigating messy leadership moments 28:30 – Cross-generational workplace friction and expectations 30:55 – Sick pets, hot days, and what’s really going on with your team 33:45 – Coaching your team without becoming their therapist 36:45 – A surprising example of values-based leadership in action 39:00 – Nicole’s top tip: put joy on your calendar 41:00 – Dessert first: the value of doing what lights you up 42:45 – Nicole’s book, assessment tool, and free resources Quotes · “If you tap into the joys of your life, you’re more energized to go into your organization and deliver.” - Nicole Van Valen [06:50] · “Resilience is about bouncing forward. It’s having a goal in mind—and a plan for when the stressors come.” - Nicole Van Valen [13:15] · “Empathy doesn’t mean we stop holding people accountable. It means we understand where they’re coming from.” - Nicole Van Valen [24:45] Websites: · . · · · – The Joyful Leader · – Take Nicole’s 8-domain self-assessment for leaders Nicole Van Valen, M.S., L.M.F.T., SHRM-SCP is an internationally recognized speaker, consultant, and published author of The Joyful Leader. With more than 25 years of experience across healthcare, behavioral health, and entertainment, she helps executives and organizations navigate stress, build resilient cultures, and lead with greater empathy and impact. Nicole is the Founder and CEO of Keane Insights, where she merges neuroscience, mental health, and leadership strategy to create high-performing, inclusive workplaces. A former Miami Dolphins Cheerleader and Miami HEAT Dancer, she brings unmatched energy and authenticity to her work—championing transformation through joy. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/37626940

Self Awareness & Emotional Intelligence with Stephanie Chung 07/15/2025

Self Awareness & Emotional Intelligence with Stephanie Chung Secret Thoughts of CEOS Ep. 138 Self Awareness & Emotional Intelligence with Stephanie Chung In this electric and eye-opening episode, Chris Yonker sits down with aviation pioneer and leadership strategist Stephanie Chung to unpack what it truly takes to lead in today’s world of diverse teams, generational differences, and ever-shifting business landscapes. Stephanie, the first African American president of a private aviation company in the U.S. and former CGO of Wheels Up, blends boardroom brilliance with neuroscience-backed leadership insight. From building trust through body language to unlocking innovation by embracing difference, Stephanie shares stories from her jet-fueled career and her newest book Ally Leadership. Whether you're a CEO, a team leader, or a parent navigating complex human dynamics, this episode will stretch your perspective on influence, equity, and modern leadership. Timestamps 01:45 - Meet Kristi Baxter and Chris Yonker: their backgrounds in family business, coaching, 01:45 – Introduction to Stephanie Chung and her aviation leadership journey 05:10 – Why we default to leading and selling in our own style - and why it limits us 07:15 – Six generations in the workforce: a communication and leadership wake-up call 09:45 – How the brain evaluates trust - and the power of facial expressions 13:00 – Ask, Listen, Learn, Act: the “ALLY” leadership model and its impact 19:00 – Dropping preconceived notions: how bias forms and how to meet people where they are 23:00 – Finding business in unlikely places: a story of jet sales and chicken farms 29:30 – Navigating generational differences around work-life values 33:00 – Meeting dynamics and how to create true psychological safety 35:00 – E.A.R.N. Model: How to truly earn allyship as a leader 39:00 – Why every team member should walk a mile in another’s shoes 44:45 – One question every leader should ask to connect personally and meaningfully 46:30 – Where to learn more from Stephanie and access her leadership resources Quotes · “It’s not about how you communicate. It’s about how they prefer to be communicated with.” [08:25] · “Bias isn’t always bad. But we must be aware of it - especially when we’re leading people who aren’t like us.” [19:30] · “Employees want leaders who are better communicators. Not just with words, but with presence and action.” [44:50] Websites: · . · · · - Sign up for Stephanie’s neuroscience-backed leadership newsletter Stephanie is not just an #1 international best-selling author; she's a force of strategic innovation, a beacon of change, and a titan in the world of business growth and human capital management. With over 30 years of experience, Stephanie has cultivated a reputation for turning challenges into opportunities and transforming growing businesses into thriving hubs of success. In her book, Ally Leadership: How to Lead People Who Are Not Like You, Stephanie Chung provides practical strategies for leaders willing to admit they don’t have all the answers, accept that their perspective isn’t the only one, and commit to learning about people different from themselves. /episode/index/show/thesecretthoughtsofceospodcast/id/37417535

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