The Unstarving Musician
The Unstarving Musician features weekly interviews with independent musicians, songwriters, producers, and music industry professionals who share their experience and expertise on recording, touring, marketing, the business of music, and more. This is all intended to help independent DIY music artists better understand the marketing, business and creative processes that help us create sustainable and profitable music careers.
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339 Missing Royalties: Revenue Recovery Strategies with Amani Roberts
11/21/2025
339 Missing Royalties: Revenue Recovery Strategies with Amani Roberts
Independent musicians leave significant money on the table—not from lack of talent, but from unclaimed royalties and overlooked revenue streams. Amani Roberts, music business educator and author of the USA Today bestseller "The Quiet Storm," reveals the specific registration gaps costing artists thousands of dollars annually. In this conversation, Amani breaks down the four major royalty collection systems most artists fail to use properly: PRO registration for public performance royalties, SoundExchange for digital performance royalties, publishing royalties through services like Songtrust, and the Mechanical Licensing Collective. He explains how unclaimed royalties eventually get redistributed to major labels based on market share—money that independent artists could be collecting themselves. Beyond royalty recovery, Amani shares his framework for building a private and corporate event business that can generate 5-10x more revenue than traditional bar gigs. He details the specific industry associations to join (MPI, PCMA, SITE), how to price yourself for corporate events, and the contract elements that differ from venue bookings. Our conversation also covers email list-building strategies that convert social media followers into owned audience assets, how book publishing creates revenue opportunities beyond book sales, and why direct fan-to-artist platforms should be every musician's first 90-day priority. Key Insights from This Episode The Four Unclaimed Royalty Streams: Independent artists commonly miss public performance royalties (PROs), digital performance royalties (SoundExchange), publishing royalties (Songtrust), and mechanical royalties (Mechanical Licensing Collective). Unclaimed royalties eventually get redistributed to major labels—money independent artists should be collecting. Royalty Recovery: Artists can recover unclaimed royalties going back up to four years. Proper metadata management and identical information across all platforms are critical for successful collection. The Streaming Misconception: The biggest misconception is believing streaming is where most royalties come from. Mechanical, public performance, and publishing royalties represent more significant opportunities that are frequently overlooked. Private and Corporate Event Revenue: Private and corporate events can generate 5-10x more revenue than bar gigs. Break in by joining event planning associations like Meeting Professionals International (MPI), Professional Conference Management Association (PCMA), and Society for Incentive Travel Executives (SITE). Volunteer at local chapters to build relationships with planners. Corporate Event Pricing: Ask about the budget upfront, research past hires, and price based on your worth with flexibility. Always require deposits and negotiate hotel stays, parking, meals, and written/video testimonials in contracts. Email List Monetization: Email lists are owned media (social is rented space). Revenue generation can begin with 50 subscribers. Use lead magnets like acoustic song versions and tools like MiniChat to automate conversions. Book Publishing Strategy: Books rarely generate significant income from sales, but can increase speaking fees, create performance opportunities at events, and enhance rates for services. View publishing as paid marketing for your broader business. 90-Day Priority: Launch a direct fan-to-artist platform like Patreon with a compelling lead magnet for fast revenue impact. Sustainable Revenue Model: Target 30% from performance, 30-35% from direct-to-fan, 20% from merchandise, 15% from private events. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at . Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Resources , by Robonzo – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. 🔗 Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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338 Jesse Flores – Distribution Partnerships And Strategic Planning For Independent Artists
11/07/2025
338 Jesse Flores – Distribution Partnerships And Strategic Planning For Independent Artists
Distribution partnerships can make or break an independent music career, but most artists don't understand what separates a good deal from a bad one. Jesse Flores, VP of Artist and Label Partnerships at Intercept Music and former Senior Director at Virgin Music Group, shares insider knowledge from over 20 years negotiating deals with major artists and independent labels. In this conversation, Jesse reveals the specific factors distributors evaluate when considering partnerships, the most common contract mistakes artists make (including the advance trap that costs artists future revenue), and what actually moves the needle for independent artists in 2025. He explains why having a team and release plan matters more than just great music, how to optimize your streaming profiles to attract partnerships, and why listening to your distribution partner's advice is the most overlooked strategy for success. Whether you're self-distributing and considering a partnership or already working with a distributor, Jesse's insights on deal structures, streaming economics, and strategic planning will help you make smarter business decisions. Topics covered: What distributors actually evaluate beyond your music The advance mistake that costs artists future revenue Distribution deal vs. label deal: Critical differences Which contract terms you can negotiate (and which you can't) Why releasing too quickly without a plan hurts your career How to optimize streaming profiles to attract partnerships Marketing tactics that actually work in 2025 (hint: not just playlists) International distribution strategy: Regional rollout vs. global release What artists consistently underinvest in that impacts partnership success The power shift between artists and labels in the streaming era Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was sponsored by Liner Notes Insider. Get exclusive weekly insights drawn from in-depth research and conversations with hundreds of thriving musicians and industry pros. I dig deep to uncover proven strategies for building a sustainable music career, from marketing and touring to sync licensing and beyond. As an Insider, you’ll receive: Deep-dive analysis and actionable strategies from extensive industry research Expert interview breakdowns with step-by-step implementation guides Access to my curated resource library and tools Monthly Q&A sessions for personalized guidance Priority access to special events and workshops First look at new resources and research findings Try Liner Notes Free featuring selected insights and latest episodes. Upgrade anytime to unlock full access. This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at . Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Mentioned in this Episode Visit the show notes for this episode at for links to things mentioned in this episode. Resources , by Robonzo – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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337 Ezra Vancil – Business Systems: From Marketing Day Job to Sustainable Music Career
10/24/2025
337 Ezra Vancil – Business Systems: From Marketing Day Job to Sustainable Music Career
After 10 years with the same band and launching his own label, Ezra Vancil has learned that sustainable music careers require business systems—not just passion. In this conversation, he reveals the productivity frameworks he's borrowed from his marketing day job and how they've transformed both his creative output and family dynamics. → subscribers get Ezra's complete "Music Career as Business System" framework + his pre-release strategy that sold an album for a full year before streaming. Key Topics Discussed The "fear as compass" approach that guides his creative decisions Why he sold his last album direct for a year before streaming (and the revenue impact) How business systems thinking improved his relationships with band members and family His 5am-8am creative routine that produced a 14-month double album while working full-time The house concert preparation framework that turns parties into professional events Previous Episodes with Ezra Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at . Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Also Mentioned in this Episode Resources , by Robonzo – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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336 Community Collaboration: Turning Your Fanbase Into Creative Partners Without Losing Artistic Control
10/10/2025
336 Community Collaboration: Turning Your Fanbase Into Creative Partners Without Losing Artistic Control
Can your community become a creative collaborator without turning your art into committee-designed mediocrity? In this solo episode, I explore proven frameworks for involving your audience in the creative process while maintaining complete artistic control. You’ll discover how Amanda Palmer uses early-stage feedback on Patreon to gather emotional responses (not technical critiques), how British singer-songwriter Lynz Crichton turned her entire EP creation into a 90-day collaborative project with her email and social media communities, and how Imogen Heap invited fans to contribute raw materials—sound samples and personal stories—that she transformed into finished songs. I break down practical approaches you can test: the Preview-and-Pivot Framework (used by Luke Combs for “Forever After All”), constraint-based collaboration methods, and systems for turning fan-generated content into strategic assets rather than distractions. This episode also covers the critical boundaries every artist needs: establishing what’s open for feedback versus what’s locked, retaining veto power over all input, and knowing when to ignore community resistance entirely as you evolve artistically. Whether you’re considering a model like Patreon, building an email list, or just wondering how to get useful feedback without compromising your vision, this episode provides actionable frameworks for sustainable creative collaboration. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Mentioned in this Episode Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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335 Music Revenue Through Community - Moving Beyond Streaming
09/26/2025
335 Music Revenue Through Community - Moving Beyond Streaming
Music revenue diversification is essential for independent artists, but how do you actually monetize your community of superfans? This follow-up to episode 333's community-building strategies explores the practical side of turning deep fan relationships into sustainable income that goes beyond streaming pennies. Emerging direct-to-fan platforms like MySeat (highlighted by Dave Cool, formerly of Bandzoogle) allow artists to create branded mobile apps with multiple revenue streams - subscriptions, merchandise, live events, auctions, and exclusive content. Real case studies break down the revenue psychology of membership-based fan relationships and run realistic math on converting followers into paying subscribers. But this isn't just another "build it and they will come" episode. Kevin Kelly's sobering follow-up research to his famous "1000 True Fans" theory reveals uncomfortable truths, including ambient musician Robert Rich's brutally honest financial breakdown of three decades pursuing direct fan support. The reality check considers platform risks, time costs, creative constraints, and why most successful direct-to-fan artists still need traditional exposure first to build music revenue. Balancing optimism with realism, this episode explores genuine opportunities while setting appropriate expectations for what "success" in direct fan monetization actually looks like. Whether you're considering app platforms, subscription models, or other community revenue strategies, you'll discover how to approach these opportunities as part of a diversified career strategy rather than a complete solution. Recommended for independent artists looking to reduce streaming dependence while exploring new music revenue opportunities and understanding the real challenges of direct fan monetization. Key Topics: Direct-to-fan mobile app platforms and business models Revenue psychology: consumption vs. membership Real financial case studies and conversion math Platform ownership vs. algorithm dependence Kevin Kelly's "1000 True Fans" follow-up research Robert Rich's 30-year direct fan experience Implementation strategies and cautionary considerations Diversified income approaches for sustainable careers Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Mentioned in this Episode Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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334 Musician Podcaster Bree Noble – From Kitchen Recordings to Industry Authority
09/12/2025
334 Musician Podcaster Bree Noble – From Kitchen Recordings to Industry Authority
As a musician podcaster who has built multiple successful shows over the past decade, Bree Noble represents what's possible when artists embrace podcasting as both a creative outlet and business tool. In this conversation, she shares her evolution from recording in her kitchen to becoming a recognized industry authority featured in Forbes. Bree reveals the technical and logistical challenges she faced transitioning from Women of Substance streaming radio to becoming the speaking host of a podcast. She discusses why she wishes she'd front-loaded more episodes before launching and shares practical strategies such as having set interview questions ready and using scheduling tools like Acuity. Our discussion covers her journey through multiple iterations of her shows, from Women of Substance to Female Entrepreneur Musician to the current Profitable Musician Show rebrand in 2020. Bree explains how AI tools have transformed her workflow and why episode swaps and collaboration episodes are particularly effective strategies for musician podcasts. For musicians considering podcasting, Bree offers frameworks for determining whether podcasting suits your situation while warning against underestimating the consistency required to build an audience. She shares how podcasting deepened her relationships with listeners and created networking opportunities that traditional music marketing approaches never provided. Whether you're exploring podcasting as a new creative outlet or looking to establish authority in your field, this episode provides actionable insights from someone who has successfully navigated every stage of podcast development while maintaining her identity as a musician and entrepreneur. No one finds starting a podcast easy without a comprehensive roadmap. As fate would have it, I've created a complete roadmap in a course called . The course covers everything from equipment selection to testing video with gear you already have. Find details at . Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Mentioned in this Episode Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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333 How to Build, Name, and Nurture Your Creative Community
08/22/2025
333 How to Build, Name, and Nurture Your Creative Community
Most independent artists focus on building an audience, but the real power lies in developing a creative community. In this episode, I delve into the psychology behind transforming casual followers into passionate community members who view themselves as part of something larger. Drawing insights from my recent interview with singer-songwriter Eli Lev and his "Levitators" community, I break down the key differences between audience building and creative community development. You'll discover why community names matter more than you think, how to move beyond social media performance theater, and practical strategies for creating authentic engagement that serves both you and your supporters. I examine successful creative community examples from Trekkies to Swifties, revealing what makes certain community names stick while others fall flat. The episode also covers three core engagement strategies: collaborative content creation, meaningful interaction over metrics, and service orientation that benefits everyone involved. This episode provides a four-step action plan for building a creative community. Because in today's music industry, success isn't measured by how many people know your name, but by how many people are better off because they found your work. Recommended for independent musicians, content creators, and artists looking to create meaningful connections around their creative work. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Mentioned in this Episode Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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332 Eli Lev – Spiritual Growth: From 250 Shows to Finding Sacred Space in Music
08/08/2025
332 Eli Lev – Spiritual Growth: From 250 Shows to Finding Sacred Space in Music
Spiritual growth takes many forms for independent musicians. Folk artist Eli Lev has woven together influences from Jewish upbringing, Buddhism, and Navajo teachings into a unique artistic journey that took him through 250 shows last year alone. In this third appearance on the podcast, Eli opens up about the realities of intensive touring, the "entry and exit friction" that comes with constant travel, and how he maintains spiritual and personal well-being while building his Levatators community. We discuss this and his upcoming "Past Lives" EP, as well as his live video for "Where We Come From," shot in a restored 1765 log home on Maryland's Trial Run Farm. Rather than saving the tough questions for the end, we flip the script and start with what's really slowing him down and the pain he's willing to embrace for his art. Eli shares insights on working with multiple producers, the evolution from his completed Four Directions project to this new spiritual exploration, and how his exposure to diverse faiths influences both his songwriting and his approach to building authentic community with fans. Whether you're interested in tour sustainability, expressing personal themes in your music, or looking to build deeper connections with your audience, Eli's journey from teaching on the Navajo Nation to becoming a full-time touring artist offers practical wisdom and philosophical depth. Key Topics: Managing the physical and emotional toll of 250+ shows annually Weaving diverse spiritual influences into cohesive songwriting Building the Levatators fan community through authentic connection Working with multiple producers across different projects The "entry and exit friction" of intensive touring Creating meaningful music videos in historic locations Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at . check out one of our affiliates below. This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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331 Musical Listening: The Art of Playing While Truly Hearing Your Band
07/25/2025
331 Musical Listening: The Art of Playing While Truly Hearing Your Band
Musical listening is the secret that separates professional-sounding bands from technically correct but disconnected performances. This episode explores blues guitarist Kid Andersen's "50% rule" and why listening should consume at least half of your mental bandwidth while playing. You'll discover the technical mastery paradox that traps countless musicians, practical strategies for developing dual awareness between your performance and your bandmates, and advanced applications, including how rhythm sections use listening skills to lead without taking over. We'll also delve into genre-specific listening approaches for jazz, rock, and acoustic settings, as well as how to read the room and respond to audience energy in real-time. The episode concludes by addressing a challenge many independent musicians face: staying current with industry trends without burning out or sacrificing actual practice time. Learn curation strategies and practical boundaries that protect your creative focus while keeping you informed and current. Whether you're struggling to lock in with your rhythm section, missing dynamic cues during performances, or feeling overwhelmed by information overload, this episode provides actionable insights for developing the listening skills that transform good musicians into truly musical collaborators. Key topics covered: Kid Andersen's 50% mental bandwidth rule for musical listening The technical mastery paradox and cognitive load management Practical exercises for developing dual awareness while playing Advanced rhythm section leadership through listening Genre-specific listening strategies for different musical styles Reading room energy and supporting struggling bandmates Managing information overload without sacrificing musical growth Enjoy this episode wherever fine podcasts are found. 🎧 Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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330 Skulk the Hulking – Merging AI Visual Production, Music, and Performance Art
07/11/2025
330 Skulk the Hulking – Merging AI Visual Production, Music, and Performance Art
AI visual production is revolutionizing how independent artists create and present their work, and Steve Pasieka (Skulk the Hulking) is creating visual art at the forefront of this transformation. In this episode, Steve shares how he evolved from live performance art and noise rock to creating a multimedia project that seamlessly blends music, AI-generated visuals, and storytelling. We explore Steve's unique background in hardcore music and comedy improv, and how these seemingly different worlds inform his creative process. Steve discusses his pivot during the pandemic from live shows to digital content creation, including the development of his fictional video podcast and the birth of his visual art practice using AI tools. Whether you're intimidated by AI music production or curious about expanding your artistic reach beyond traditional music, Steve offers practical insights on incorporating new technologies while maintaining creative authenticity. He shares the specific AI tools he uses, the communities that helped him learn, and how he harnesses the quirks and obstacles of these technologies to fuel his creativity. This conversation provides valuable perspective for any independent artist looking to explore the intersection of music, technology, and multimedia storytelling in today's evolving creative landscape. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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329 Legal Mashups: Navigating Music Copyright and Studio Management with George Ajjan
06/27/2025
329 Legal Mashups: Navigating Music Copyright and Studio Management with George Ajjan
Legal mashups and studio management are critical skills that can make or break an independent music career. In this episode, George Ajjan (The ajjancy) shares his systematic approach to creating and distributing mashup covers within legal boundaries, plus his proven strategies for efficient studio sessions and sustainable creative scheduling. George explains the complex world of music copyright, explaining the legal differences between covers, remixes, and mashups. He reveals how YouTube's Content ID system creates a "safe harbor" for mashup covers and shares his real-world experience navigating copyright holders and clearance challenges. We also dive deep into studio management, where George explains his preparation process, how he scouts and works with session musicians, and why being over-prepared is still never enough. His batching approach to recording has created a 2-3 year backlog of releasable material including original compositions. For independent artists struggling to balance creativity with business realities, George offers practical frameworks for long-term creative scheduling, weekly content strategies, and adapting to the changing landscape of independent music. Whether you're interested in exploring mashup covers, maximizing your studio efficiency, or building sustainable creative practices, this conversation provides actionable insights you can implement immediately. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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328 Christian DeWild – Multi-Art Creativity: Balancing Music, Books, and Painting While Building an Authentic Artistic Career
06/13/2025
328 Christian DeWild – Multi-Art Creativity: Balancing Music, Books, and Painting While Building an Authentic Artistic Career
Multi-art creativity takes center stage in this conversation with Christian DeWild, a Folsom, California-based artist who seamlessly juggles music, literature, and visual art while working for an electrical contractor. Christian has just released his first single of 2025, "By Your Side," recorded on his analog Tascam system and he's the author of two published books including "Dead Flowers: Let's Get Married On Halloween" and "Some Days Are Ashes: Poems, Limericks, and Illustrations." In this episode, we explore Christian's unique approach to balancing multiple creative disciplines, his experience with self-publishing books, and the challenges that come with it. We discuss his obsessive relationship with art projects, his philosophical contemplations about creativity within the finite nature of life, and his active role in Folsom's blues scene. Christian shares insights about the importance of face-to-face networking for securing gigs, his transition to releasing only singles rather than full albums, and the varying timelines he experiences when finishing songs. Whether you're a multi-disciplinary artist or looking to expand your creative practice beyond music, this conversation offers perspectives on maintaining authenticity while pursuing diverse artistic passions. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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327 Timothy Reid – Game Composition: From AAA Studios to Indie Freedom
05/30/2025
327 Timothy Reid – Game Composition: From AAA Studios to Indie Freedom
Game composition opportunities have transformed dramatically in recent years, creating new pathways for musicians to enter the video game industry. In this episode, I reconnect with Timothy Reid, a guitarist-turned-video game composer based in Osaka, Japan, for his second appearance on the show since our 2021 conversation. Timothy shares his journey from session guitarist to working at a major AAA game studio, and how recent industry layoffs led to what he calls "the best thing that could have happened" – discovering the world of indie game development. We explore the creative differences between large studio structures and freelance composition work, the learning curve of adaptive music and sound design, and how traditional musicianship skills translate to the gaming industry. Whether you're a musician curious about video game composition or interested in navigating career transitions in creative fields, Timothy's insights offer valuable perspective on finding new opportunities within industry upheaval. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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326 Anmara - Music Funding Success: From $75,000 in Grants to Record Deal
05/15/2025
326 Anmara - Music Funding Success: From $75,000 in Grants to Record Deal
Music funding changed everything for . The Virginia-based singer-songwriter has secured over $75,000 through grants, crowdfunding, and her recent Chrome City Records deal. Her Funding Journey In this episode, Anmara shares her approach to financing her music career. She won a prestigious $75,000 House Artist Grant in 2014. Later, she successfully built albums through Patreon pre-orders. Pop Evolution and DIY Strategies We explore her evolution from dreamy ambient folk toward pop. Chrome City Records now invests in exploring her pop star potential. Plus, she shares DIY strategies for creating professional music videos and photo shoots on minimal budgets. Platform Comparisons and Creative Output Anmara compares crowdfunding platforms like Kickstarter versus Patreon. She discusses receiving multiple grants from Prescott College. She also shares the healthy habits that fuel her continuous creative output. Career Highlights and Personal Insights From charting on iTunes’ top 100 singer-songwriter albums to touring Europe and the West Coast, Anmara opens up about several topics: Imposter syndrome Today’s changing music consumption landscape Her mission to touch lives through music and newsletter Essential self-care practices for show days For Independent Musicians This conversation offers insights and inspiration for independent musicians. It covers diverse revenue streams like grants, crowdfunding, and label partnerships. Learn how to build sustainable careers on your own terms. Whether you’re exploring funding options or seeking creative inspiration, this episode provides practical wisdom from an artist who consistently finds innovative ways to fund and create her art. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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325 Music Collaboration: Tracee Perrin on Creative Partnerships, Life in Nashville, and Staying Healthy on Tour
05/09/2025
325 Music Collaboration: Tracee Perrin on Creative Partnerships, Life in Nashville, and Staying Healthy on Tour
This music collaboration episode features the return of Tracee Perrin discussing her creative partnerships in Nashville and the release of her 2024 EP "The Clearing." Tracee shares insights about her upcoming single "Seasons Change" with Lauren Anderson and how their collaborative mini-tour succeeded through effective merchandise strategies. We explore the parallels between marriage and musical partnerships, techniques for maintaining vocal health while touring, and the creative process behind their joint content creation. Tracee reflects on embracing artistic challenges and her fear of not fulfilling her creative potential. Whether you're an independent musician looking to expand your collaborative projects or seeking practical touring advice, this conversation offers valuable lessons from an artist thriving in Nashville's competitive music scene. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. – Email marketing and audience building software that helps musicians like you turn your passion into a full-time career by connecting you to your fans faster. . , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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324 Abe Partridge - Touring Strategy, Recording, Collaboration, and Documenting Undocumented Folk
04/25/2025
324 Abe Partridge - Touring Strategy, Recording, Collaboration, and Documenting Undocumented Folk
Touring strategy, recording, and collaboration are at the heart of this conversation with independent music artist Abe Partridge. Fresh from recording with Steve Shelley of Sonic Youth, Abe shares his journey on the road since 2017, including performing with Matthew Sweet and recently signing with a booking agent. We explore his Alabama Astronaut podcast documenting the undocumented folk music of serpent-handling churches in Appalachia, and discuss practical approaches for planning shows, building industry relationships, and creating sustainable revenue through live performances rather than streaming. Gain valuable insights on navigating the music business as an independent artist who's found his unique path to success. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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323 Canadian Immigration: Essential Legal Guide for Touring Musicians with Maggie Stewart
04/11/2025
323 Canadian Immigration: Essential Legal Guide for Touring Musicians with Maggie Stewart
In this episode, we explore Canadian immigration essentials for touring musicians with expert Maggie Stewart, a Los Angeles-based immigration lawyer with 15 years of experience specializing in Canadian immigration law. Discover crucial information about navigating criminal conviction waivers, work permit requirements, and visa processes for performing in Canada. Maggie shares valuable insights on border crossing best practices and insurance considerations that every touring artist should know. We also touch on the Canadian arts and festival scene. Whether you’re a musician, manager, crew member, or agent planning performances in Canada, this conversation provides actionable legal guidance to ensure your international tours proceed without immigration complications. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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322 Creative Storytelling: Novelist Sofía Segovia on the Art of Narrative
03/28/2025
322 Creative Storytelling: Novelist Sofía Segovia on the Art of Narrative
Creative storytelling bridges worlds in this special episode where I speak with acclaimed Mexican novelist Sofía Segovia, author of the internationally celebrated book "The Murmur of Bees." Our conversation explores the fascinating parallels between writing novels and creating music - from creative discipline and narrative techniques to building an international audience and adapting to changing industries. This interview had personal significance as Segovia's novel is set in Linares, Mexico. Linares was the birthplace of my father in 1922, creating a powerful connection that became even more meaningful after my recent journey to Mexican citizenship. Segovia shares insights from her evolution as a ghostwriter to an acclaimed international author, how she balances creative output with teaching writing workshops, and her experience bringing Mexican stories to global audiences. Whether you are a musician, writer, or creative entrepreneur, you'll find valuable wisdom in Segovia's journey about the universal elements that help creative work resonate across cultural boundaries. Don't miss our thought-provoking conversation about creative processes, audience building, and the bridges between literary and musical storytelling. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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321 Maximizing Video Promotion Impact: Andy Gesner's Strategies for Independent Musicians
03/14/2025
321 Maximizing Video Promotion Impact: Andy Gesner's Strategies for Independent Musicians
Effective video promotion strategies can transform an independent artist’s career, as demonstrated by Hip Video Promo founder Andy Gesner in this informative conversation. With 25 years of experience connecting musicians to audiences through visual content, Andy shares the tactics behind breakthrough successes like Johnny Cash’s “Hurt” and The Lumineers’ “Ho Hey” videos that propelled these artists to new heights of recognition. From his studio in South River, New Jersey, Andy reveals what truly matters in today’s digital landscape: authentic engagement over vanity metrics, consistent content creation schedules, and leveraging the right platforms for your genre and audience. You’ll learn practical approaches to video promotion that work for independent artists at every career stage. This episode unpacks: How visual storytelling can create deeper connections with potential fans The evolution of music video distribution from MTV to streaming platforms Methods for measuring true engagement versus superficial view counts Practical ways to showcase your authentic personality through visual media Whether you’re planning your first music video or looking to enhance your visual marketing strategy, Andy’s insights provide a roadmap for making your visual identity work harder for your music career. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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320 Musician Health Strategies: Navigating Music Industry Relationships for Career Longevity
02/28/2025
320 Musician Health Strategies: Navigating Music Industry Relationships for Career Longevity
Musician health strategies are essential tools for navigating the complex web of personal and professional relationships that can make or break long-term success in the music industry. This episode explores the unique relationship dynamics that musicians face, where the lines between personal and professional connections often blur in ways both enriching and challenging. Drawing from our Liner Notes Insider three-part series, we examine how to build effective support networks that understand the musician lifestyle, manage the guilt and obligations that come with creative careers, and implement practical self-care routines that sustain creativity. We also discuss how to recognize burnout warning signs and challenge the industry's "push through" mentality that has traditionally made taking necessary breaks difficult. Whether you're dealing with band dynamics, family expectations, or maintaining connections while on tour, this episode offers actionable strategies for setting boundaries, communicating effectively, and remembering that your worth isn't tied to others' investments in you. Plus, we share valuable mental health resources specifically designed for music industry professionals. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on @UnstarvingMusician on and
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319 Musician Well-being: Breaking the Suffering Artist Myth for Sustainable Success
02/21/2025
319 Musician Well-being: Breaking the Suffering Artist Myth for Sustainable Success
This episode explores musician well-being and challenges the persistent "suffering artist" myth. Drawing from recent examples of successful artists like Lizzy McAlpine and Ashe, Robonzo examines how prioritizing mental health leads to sustainable music careers rather than limiting them. Discover practical strategies for setting boundaries, managing performance demands, and creating sustainable touring schedules that protect your creative energy. Learn why being transparent about mental health challenges can actually strengthen fan relationships rather than damage them. Whether you're a touring musician, recording artist, or industry professional, this episode provides actionable insights for maintaining well-being while pursuing musical success. for more industry insights and join Liner Notes Insider for exclusive deep dives into building a sustainable music career. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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318 Music Business Essentials – A Musician's Guide to Copyrights, Contracts & Cash Flow
02/07/2025
318 Music Business Essentials – A Musician's Guide to Copyrights, Contracts & Cash Flow
Music business fundamentals can make or break an artist's career sustainability. In this episode, we break down essential legal and financial practices that help independent musicians protect their work and build sustainable careers. From copyright registration and performance contracts to accounting basics and tax planning, we provide actionable steps for managing the business side of music while staying focused on creativity. Learn how to establish proper documentation, maximize royalty collection, and implement smart financial tracking that will serve your music career for years to come. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode was powered by Music Marketing Method, a program for independent musicians looking to grow their music career. Music Marketing Method was created by my good friend Lynz Crichton. I’m in the program and I’m learning tons! I’m growing my fan base and learning about many ways that I’ll be earning money in the new year. It’s also helping me grow this podcast. How cool is that? To lean more and find out if Music Marketing Method can help your music career, visit . This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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317 Tour Planning – Essential Strategies for Independent Musicians' Success
01/31/2025
317 Tour Planning – Essential Strategies for Independent Musicians' Success
Tour planning requires careful strategy and execution for independent musicians to succeed on the road. In this episode, I share key insights from Liner Notes Insider on venue selection, tour management, fan engagement, and revenue optimization. Learn practical approaches to building sustainable tours and get a glimpse of the exclusive content available to Liner Notes Insider subscribers. Whether planning your first tour or looking to improve your touring game, this episode delivers actionable tips for the independent touring musician. Listen to the full episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode was powered by Music Marketing Method, a program for independent musicians looking to grow their music career. Music Marketing Method was created by my good friend Lynz Crichton. I’m in the program and I’m learning tons! I’m growing my fan base and learning about many ways that I’ll be earning money in the new year. It’s also helping me grow this podcast. How cool is that? To lean more and find out if Music Marketing Method can help your music career, visit . This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Mentions and Related Episodes Find links to related episodes and various things mentioned in this episode at . Resources and Special Deals , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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316 Home Recording: A Drummer's Guide to Getting Started
01/17/2025
316 Home Recording: A Drummer's Guide to Getting Started
Home recording doesn't require a professional studio - it requires understanding fundamentals, making smart choices about gear, and focusing on performance quality. In this episode, I share my journey from basic podcast recording to producing music, including practical tips on choosing your first DAW, selecting an audio interface, and setting up your recording space. You'll learn about essential gear, common connectivity issues, and how to manage the learning curve without getting overwhelmed. Whether you're a drummer looking to record your kit or a musician wanting to capture your ideas, this guide will help you start your home recording journey with confidence. I also share real-world examples from recording my own singles and hundreds of podcast episodes, along with budget-friendly solutions for beginners. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode was powered by Music Marketing Method, a program for independent musicians looking to grow their music career. Music Marketing Method was created by my good friend Lynz Crichton. I’m in the program and I’m learning tons! I’m growing my fan base and learning about many ways that I’ll be earning money in the new year. It’s also helping me grow this podcast. How cool is that? To lean more and find out if Music Marketing Method can help your music career, visit . This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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315 Tony Harrah – Book Marketing, Sales Strategy, and Industry Independence
01/10/2025
315 Tony Harrah – Book Marketing, Sales Strategy, and Industry Independence
Book marketing takes center stage in part two of my conversation with independent musician and author Tony Harrah. He breaks down his mathematical approach to sales strategy, sharing insights on reaching target audiences without traditional industry gatekeepers. From his decision to self-narrate audio books to his perspective on working with publicists and labels, Tony offers practical wisdom for creative entrepreneurs. This continuation of last week's discussion explores the current state of music, his marketing plans for his latest releases, and the launch of TheGreasyHedonist.com as his creative hub. Catch his album "Unicorns" on Soundcloud and discover how he's applying independent music principles to his expanding artistic portfolio. Please enjoy this episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever podcasts are found. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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314 Lyrical Poetry – Tony Harrah on the Parallels of Book and Music Marketing
01/03/2025
314 Lyrical Poetry – Tony Harrah on the Parallels of Book and Music Marketing
Independent musician and author Tony Harrah shares his lyrical poetry journey across the music and literary worlds. In this first of two parts, Tony discusses his realization that marketing books mirrors marketing music, detailing his experiences building writer groups (much like starting his blues jams) and developing grassroots promotional strategies. We explore his evolution from musician to author with works like "Boxing With God" and "Asking For a Playground Push, But Got a Schoolyard Shove," while discussing the arts' recovery in a post-pandemic landscape. Since our last conversation in 2019, following the unexpected loss of his wife, Tony has navigated remarkable transitions - both personal and professional. Now remarried, he brings unique insights into building creative communities and finding new pathways to connect with audiences. Stay tuned for part two next week, where we'll explore Tony's observations on the current state of music, his marketing strategies for his latest book, thoughts on working with industry professionals, and his decision to narrate his audiobooks. Plus, we'll get a preview of his upcoming platform, TheGreasyHedonist.com. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode was powered by Music Marketing Method, a program for independent musicians looking to grow their music career. Music Marketing Method was created by my good friend Lynz Crichton. I’m in the program and I’m learning tons! I’m growing my fan base and learning about many ways that I’ll be earning money in the new year. It’s also helping me grow this podcast. How cool is that? To lean more and find out if Music Marketing Method can help your music career, visit . This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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313 The Power of Imperfect Music Marketing: Getting Real with Your Audience
12/16/2024
313 The Power of Imperfect Music Marketing: Getting Real with Your Audience
Music marketing doesn't have to be perfect to be effective. Join host Robonzo as he challenges traditional promotion methods and reveals why your unpolished, real moments might be your greatest marketing asset. Learn practical strategies for Instagram Stories, Reels, and Posts, plus discover the untapped potential of LinkedIn for booking gigs. With personal anecdotes and actionable insights, this episode shows how embracing authenticity can lead to deeper audience connections and better engagement. From the 70-20-10 content rule to building genuine relationships in your local music community, you'll gain practical tools to market your music more effectively while staying true to yourself. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode was powered by Music Marketing Method, a program for independent musicians looking to grow their music career. Music Marketing Method was created by my good friend Lynz Crichton. I’m in the program and I’m learning tons! I’m growing my fan base and learning about many ways that I’ll be earning money in the new year. It’s also helping me grow this podcast. How cool is that? To lean more and find out if Music Marketing Method can help your music career, visit . This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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312 Chris Taylor – Creative Resilience Through Music and Storytelling
11/22/2024
312 Chris Taylor – Creative Resilience Through Music and Storytelling
In this powerful return appearance, singer-songwriter Chris Taylor (episodes 65, 97) joins us for a deeply personal conversation as part of a storytellers series. A creative force in constant motion, Chris opens up about his journey while preparing to release an exciting new collection of music. Our discussion weaves through themes of artistic comparison, trust in creative instincts, and a transformative experience opening for Six Pence None The Richer. Chris shares intimate stories from his youth in San Antonio's bible belt, including his complex relationship with his father and the circumstances that led to this challenging chapter of his life. We also explore Chris's latest projects, including a mini autobiographical documentary and previews of his upcoming musical release. His natural gift for storytelling and boundless creativity shine throughout this candid and inspiring conversation about survival, self-discovery, and the healing power of artistic expression. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode was powered by Music Marketing Method, a program for independent musicians looking to grow their music career. Music Marketing Method was created by my good friend Lynz Crichton. I’m in the program and I’m learning tons! I’m growing my fan base and learning about many ways that I’ll be earning money in the new year. It’s also helping me grow this podcast. How cool is that? To lean more and find out if Music Marketing Method can help your music career, visit . This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Mentions and Related Episodes Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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311 - Musician Finance: Building Your Safety Net (It's Simpler Than You Think)
11/08/2024
311 - Musician Finance: Building Your Safety Net (It's Simpler Than You Think)
Let's face it - most musicians didn't pick up their instruments because they love spreadsheets or numbers. In this practical musician finance episode, we break down the often-intimidating topic of financial management into actionable, musician-friendly steps. Learn how to build a financial safety net that will give you more freedom to make music, including proven strategies for multiple revenue streams, simple budgeting techniques, and essential musician-finance practices that won't make your head spin. Whether you're a full-time musician or working toward it, these straightforward financial tips will help you build a more sustainable music career. Plus, discover why having a backup plan is just as important as having a backup amp (or bass drum pedal). Time to get financially savvy without sacrificing your creative spirit! Key Topics: Musician finance, revenue streams, budgeting basics, accounting for creatives Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode was powered by Music Marketing Method, a program for independent musicians looking to grow their music career. Music Marketing Method was created by my good friend Lynz Crichton. I’m in the program and I’m learning tons! I’m growing my fan base and learning about many ways that I’ll be earning money in the new year. It’s also helping me grow this podcast. How cool is that? To lean more and find out if Music Marketing Method can help your music career, visit . This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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310 Creative Meets Commerce: A Musician's Guide to Revenue Stream Balance
10/25/2024
310 Creative Meets Commerce: A Musician's Guide to Revenue Stream Balance
This deep-dive episode explores how independent musicians can effectively balance their creative output with various revenue streams. From live shows and streaming to licensing and teaching, I break down the business focus and creative aspects of each income source. Learn practical strategies for time management, tools for productivity, and real-world examples from artists like Shannon Curtis, Bradford Loomis, and Dean Johanesen. Whether building a sustainable career or managing a passion project, discover actionable steps to maintain your artistic fulfillment while achieving financial stability. Based on insights from , this episode provides a comprehensive framework for integrating your creative and business mindsets. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. This episode was powered by Music Marketing Method, a program for independent musicians looking to grow their music career. Music Marketing Method was created by my good friend Lynz Crichton. I’m in the program and I’m learning tons! I’m growing my fan base and learning about many ways that I’ll be earning money in the new year. It’s also helping me grow this podcast. How cool is that? To lean more and find out if Music Marketing Method can help your music career, visit . This episode of the was powered by Liner Notes. Learn from the hundreds of musicians and industry pros I’ve spoken with for the Unstarving Musician on topics such as marketing, songwriting, touring, sync licensing and much more. Sign up for Liner Notes. Liner Notes is an email newsletter from yours truly, in which I share some of the best knowledge gems garnered from the many conversations featured on the Unstarving Musician. You’ll also be privy to the latest podcast episodes and Liner Notes subscriber exclusives. Sign up at . It’s free and you can unsubscribe at anytime. Mentions, Links, and Related Episodes Resources , by Robonzo – The program that helps musicians find fans, grow an audience and make consistent income – The all-in-one platform that makes it easy to build a beautiful website for your music – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. Pardon the Interruption (Disclosure) Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Visit to sign up for Liner Notes to learn what I'm learning from the best indie musicians and music industry professionals. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on and @UnstarvingMusician on and
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