EP38 Why AI in Healthcare Fails Without Nurses at the Table - Athena Fernandez, Jing Wang, Troy Seagondollar
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
Release Date: 10/18/2025
EP44 - Beyond the Pilot: Scaling Ambient Listening at Sutter Health - Dr. Veena Jones and Stephanie Driscoll
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this episode, we’re joined by two leaders from Sutter Health who are scaling ambient listening across their enterprise: Dr. Veena (Goel) Jones, Chief Medical Informatics Officer, and Stephanie Driscoll, Vice President of Digital Implementation. In 2025 alone, Sutter onboarded more than 3,100 clinicians to ambient listening—moving well beyond pilot programs to true system-wide adoption. Together, they share what it takes to make that scale possible, from EHR integration and workflow redesign to governance, training, and change management. Key Takeaways Ambient listening only scales when...
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EP43 - Cybersecurity as Patient Safety: A 2026 CMIO Playbook - Dr. Christian Dameff, Steven Ramirez, Dr. Sean Kelly
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this episode we’re joined by Dr. Sean Kelly (Imprivata), Dr. Christian Dameff (UC San Diego Health), and Steven Ramirez (Renown Health) to explore a critical yet often misunderstood frontier: the intersection of cybersecurity and patient safety. Together, we unpack how clinical leaders can prepare for digital outages, ransomware attacks, and the escalating threat landscape—not as isolated IT events, but as high-stakes clinical disruptions. From real-time decision-making to cultural readiness, this conversation is a practical playbook for CMIOs navigating care delivery in an age...
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EP42 - Why RTLS Is Core Infrastructure in Healthcare - Todd Frantz, Ali Youssef, Paul Zieske
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
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EP41 - From Mannequins to Metaverse: The Future of Nursing Simulation - Dr. William Scott Erdley (
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
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EP40 - AMDIS Roundtable - Why Hospital Pilots Fail and What It Takes to Actually Scale
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
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EP39 - AMDIS Roundtable - Beyond the digital front door: Empowering Pediatric Families in the Digital Age
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
What happens beyond the digital front door? In this AMDIS collaboration, Dr. Yaa Kumah-Crystal, Dr. Natalie Pageler, and Dr. Sarah Rush unpack the complex realities of digital family engagement in pediatric care. From patient portals and teen privacy laws to ambient documentation and AI-enabled translation, this panel explores how hospitals can rebuild trust, reduce barriers, and design systems that truly work for families. Together, they examine cultural readiness, access equity, and why health systems must treat family engagement as both a design challenge and a clinical imperative. Key...
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EP38 Why AI in Healthcare Fails Without Nurses at the Table - Athena Fernandez, Jing Wang, Troy Seagondollar
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this episode we explore why so many AI initiatives in healthcare stall—and how nursing leaders can change that. Dr. Jing Wang (FSU Nursing), Athena Fernandez (Penn Medicine), and Troy Seagondollar (formerly Kaiser Permanente) reflect on the current AI landscape and what it takes to make tools truly work for nurses at the bedside. From sepsis prediction models to staffing automation, they share hard-won lessons in AI governance, change management, and clinical trust. Our panel dives into the growing gap between innovation and implementation—and how nurse-led strategies can help...
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EP37 Healthcare Communications: Bridging Technology & Care - John Elms (JH Elms & Company)
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
Join us for a conversation with healthcare communications veteran John Elms as he breaks down what it really takes to design digital systems that frontline clinicians will actually use. Drawing on decades of leadership at TigerConnect, Critical Alert, and Spectralink, Elms shares hard-won lessons on user-centered design, project governance, and the hidden costs of fragmented communication tools. We explore a real-world case study that improved patient transport efficiency by 55%, and dive into strategies for aligning IT, operations, and clinical teams around change that sticks. Whether you're...
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EP36 How to Lead Without a Title: Nurse Influencer Secrets - Michelle Lingner (ECU Health)
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
Join hosts Keith Washington and Kris Baird for a conversation with Michelle Lingner, FNP-C, RN-BSN, RNFA—a trauma nurse practitioner at ECU Health who's redefining what it means to lead without formal authority. Michelle shares how intentional mindset shifts transformed her from burned out to energized, and how that shift rippled through her entire team. Drawing on her experience in a 1,000-bed Level 1 trauma center, she reveals practical strategies for peer-to-peer influence, closing communication gaps that delay patient care, and choosing positivity even in high-pressure environments. Kris...
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EP35 Revolutionizing Patient Safety: A Deep Dive Into Wearable Technology - Patrick Baker, RN (Palarum)
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
Join us for a conversation with nurse executive and healthtech innovator Patrick Baker shares the story behind Palarum’s smart sock—an advanced wearable that’s dramatically reducing patient falls without adding to clinical workload. With insights shaped by decades on the frontlines, Baker walks us through how alarm fatigue, design thinking, and data transparency inspired a smarter approach to patient safety. We explore how real-time mobility tracking, clinical workflow integration, and human-centered innovation are shifting the paradigm in hospital care. Whether you're in nursing...
info_outlineIn this episode we explore why so many AI initiatives in healthcare stall—and how nursing leaders can change that. Dr. Jing Wang (FSU Nursing), Athena Fernandez (Penn Medicine), and Troy Seagondollar (formerly Kaiser Permanente) reflect on the current AI landscape and what it takes to make tools truly work for nurses at the bedside. From sepsis prediction models to staffing automation, they share hard-won lessons in AI governance, change management, and clinical trust. Our panel dives into the growing gap between innovation and implementation—and how nurse-led strategies can help close it.
Key Takeaways
- AI projects often fail when nurses are excluded from planning and implementation.
- Augmented intelligence offers more clinical value than full automation.
- Nurse informaticists are essential to bridging IT and frontline workflows.
- Change management begins with bedside relevance, not just executive strategy.
- Sepsis prediction models reveal the risks of misaligned AI tools.
- AI should enhance—not replace—clinical judgment.
- National frameworks can help standardize and scale ethical AI use.
- Transparency and education are key to building trust in AI systems.
- Governance structures must include frontline feedback loops.
- Empowering nurses helps ensure AI improves care, not burdens it.
Episode Highlights
00:00 Welcome & Framing the Episode
01:55 Nursing's Role in AI Adoption
04:16 Lessons from Sepsis Prediction Tools
07:41 When Nurses Are Left Out of the Process
09:13 Hidden Costs: Workflow Disruption and Trust Erosion
11:23 Building a Feedback-Driven Governance Model
13:01 National Nursing + AI Framework
15:52 Bridging Academia and Clinical Reality
20:06 Traits of an AI-Savvy Nurse Leader
21:26 How Nurse Leaders Can Get Started
24:46 Artificial vs. Augmented Intelligence in Practice
28:28 The Tsunami of Tools: Change Management in Action
31:15 Building Clinical Trust in AI
34:22 Final Thoughts & Call to Action
Guests: Aretha Fernandez Jing Wang Troy Seagondollar
Host: Gregg Malkary - Spyglass Consulting Group
Cohost: Keith Washington - Companions in Courage Foundation
Sponsored by: Simplifi Medical & Storage Systems Unlimited
Audio/Video: Tim Jones - Health Nuts Media
Marketing: Josh Troop - Troop-Creative
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