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351: Your Playlist, Your Enneagram, and Your Wisdom with Susan Drumm

Release Date: 01/19/2026

351: Your Playlist, Your Enneagram, and Your Wisdom with Susan Drumm

The Elegant Warrior with Heather Hansen

In this episode of The Elegant Warrior, Heather welcomes leadership expert Susan Drumm to explore how music, neuroscience, and the Enneagram can transform your leadership and your life. Susan shares her fascinating journey from Harvard Law School to consulting, television, acting, and ultimately leadership development, showing how following intuition and curiosity can lead to extraordinary growth. Together, Heather and Susan dive into practical tools for recognizing patterns, disrupting limiting behaviors, and building new mental “playlists” that support empowerment, confidence, and...

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The Elegant Warrior with Heather Hansen

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The Elegant Warrior with Heather Hansen

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Together, Heather and Susan dive into practical tools for recognizing patterns, disrupting limiting behaviors, and building new mental “playlists” that support empowerment, confidence, and personal growth. Whether you’re a leader, an entrepreneur, or someone looking to level up your self-awareness, this episode provides actionable strategies grounded in research, neuroscience, and Susan’s decades of experience.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

How Susan’s background in law, consulting, and acting shaped her approach to leadership development
The concept of “old playlists” vs. “new playlists” and how music rewires your brain for growth
How to identify your belief statements and practice being in an empowered state
What the Enneagram reveals about your blind spots, superpowers, and path to growth
Tools to apply both music and the Enneagram for leadership, personal development, and team success

In this episode:
00:00 Welcome and Susan’s journey from Harvard Law to consulting

02:08 Why the "sweatshop" law firm model didn't fit Susan's personality

06:41 Experiences at NBC: Learning the importance of organizational culture

08:42 Pivoting to acting: Developing empathy and mastering the inner critic

11:41 Pattern recognition and the concept behind The Leader’s Playlist

13:46 Neuroscience: How music rewires neural pathways and shifts mental states

17:20 Practical steps: Creating your empowered “I am” playlist

21:19 Introduction to the Enneagram: Nine leadership styles and blind spots

24:45 Why accurate assessments matter and the "Enneagram Applied" program

26:21 Breaking down Enneagram Type 3 (The Achiever) and Type 7 (The Visionary)

30:11 Free quiz: Your Leadership, Superpower, and Roadblocks

Resources and Links:
📘 The Leaders Playlist by Susan Drumm – Explore music, neuroscience, and leadership.
🎯 Free Quiz: Leadership Superpower & Roadblock Assessment
🌐 Susan Drumm - Website

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