#108: Inside Goodwin’s Client Immersion Program for Junior Associates with Lynda Galligan and Josh Klatzkin
Release Date: 01/21/2026
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#108: Inside Goodwin’s Client Immersion Program for Junior Associates with Lynda Galligan and Josh Klatzkin
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info_outlineJunior associates in BigLaw often ask for more client exposure early in their careers, but what they really need most is a clearer understanding of how clients actually operate and make decisions. In this episode, I speak with Lynda Galligan and Josh Klatzkin, both members of Goodwin’s management and executive committees, and co-chairs of the firm’s Business Law Department, about why the firm's early client immersion program for junior associates addresses this key development and training issue.
Lynda and Josh explain how traditional BigLaw training can delay meaningful client exposure, why business undersanding is assumed rather than a differentiator, and how understanding of a client’s business needs and concerns must be learned. We also discuss how Goodwin's structured training program makes early immersion viable, what clients gain from working with junior lawyers, and how early exposure reshapes the way associates approach client relationships throughout their careers.
At a Glance
01:20 Why junior associates ask for more hands-on client experience
02:17 Why traditional BigLaw training can delay better understanding of what juniors need to know about working with clients
02:52 How Goodwin’s client immersion program differs from the usual secondments
03:24 Why empathy is a core legal skill that law school cannot teach
06:30 The role of intensive first-year training in preparing juniors for client work
07:31 Why doing excellent legal work is the baseline, not a competitive advantage
08:08 What associates learn by seeing clients as people with careers and pressures
09:52 Why consistent early training matters more than ad hoc learning
11:02 How immersion opportunities are identified and matched
13:35 The criteria clients must meet to participate in the program
15:39 Why clients repeatedly request junior associates after trying the program
16:26 What happens when immersion leads to in-house offers
18:16 How immersion strengthens firm-client relationships in unexpected ways
21:52 Addressing associate concerns about missing firm relationship-building
24:42 How partners evaluate the value of early client immersion
26:27 Why firms may need to rethink associate training more broadly
29:06 How early client exposure builds confidence long before partnership is in view
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