Nancy Ho - Overcoming the Professional Paradox
Release Date: 03/04/2025
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info_outlineAre you still chasing the wrong kind of success? In this episode of Legendary Leaders, Nancy Ho joins host Cathleen O'Sullivan to discuss the hidden struggles of high-performing professionals and the paradox of success. Nancy shares how defining success externally can lead to a void of stress and unfulfillment. She talks about turning pain into gain, redefining what you truly want, and the importance of being authentic rather than conforming to societal pressures. Discover how your thoughts shape your reality and the power of self-reflection in transforming your life. Tune in for a conversation that invites you to redefine success on your own terms and move towards a life filled with genuine satisfaction and freedom.
Episode Timeline:
00:00 Introduction
08:40 Choosing what you want over what you need
17:22 The difference between authentic self-care and social pressure
27:37 Addressing your needs genuinely and fostering long-term relationships
36:32 Gradually changing bad habits to good ones with ongoing support and strategy adjustments
44:28 Success comes from the inside so focus on inner fulfilment
50:05 Living in the past and having a fear of judgment
01:01:01 Wake up calls from life
Key Takeaways:
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Nancy emphasises the importance of self-reflection to understand your own habits and tendencies. Being aware of the pain points and reflecting on them helps to make necessary changes.
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Nancy explains that recognising the authentic pain (what one truly wishes to avoid) and the real gain (the genuine pleasure and outcome desired) can lead to more motivated and effective action.
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Cathleen and Nancy discuss how true motivation and contentment come from internal desires rather than external validation. Nancy highlights the importance of doing things for yourself rather than seeking approval from others.
ABOUT Nancy Ho
Introducing Nancy Ho, a distinguished Life Strategist, Clarity Messenger, and state-of-mind specialist with over 26 years of experience guiding individuals toward holistic success. Throughout her illustrious career, Nancy has empowered over 10,000 clients, including C-Suite executives, mid-level managers, and business owners, to navigate the intricate balance between professional achievement and personal fulfillment. As an internationally-recognized thought leader on "The Professional Paradox," Nancy brings a unique perspective to the podcasting world. With a focus on helping high-performing professionals transcend the silent weight of success, Nancy's insights offer valuable guidance for listeners seeking harmony in their professional and personal lives. Nancy's expertise lies in addressing the disconnect between external success and inner fulfillment. Her comprehensive approach includes personalized executive coaching, strategic planning, and confidential support tailored to the unique needs of each client.
Connect with Nancy Ho:
Website: https://www.nancyho.net/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancy-ho-exec-coach/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lifecoachnancyho/
Connect:
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Business: cathleenmerkel.com
Email: cmc@cathleenmerkelcoaching.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cathleen-merkel/
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