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Feeding a Divided America

Down to Earth: The Planet to Plate Podcast

Release Date: 07/29/2025

Bringing bison back to indigenous lands show art Bringing bison back to indigenous lands

Down to Earth: The Planet to Plate Podcast

Montana filmmaker Daniel Glick decided to make a film about bison just because he loved the animals and wanted to be around them. He teamed up with Blackfeet filmmakers Ivan and Ivy MacDonald to co-direct the documentary, Bring them Home, narrated by Lily Gladstone. The film explores the history of bison on the North American continent and the Blackfeet nation in particular; the parallel genocides of native people and the animal that provided them with sustenance, both practical and spiritual; and the movement to bring surviving herds of bison back to their ancestral lands. In this...

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Meet Xochitl, Quivira’s new Executive Director show art Meet Xochitl, Quivira’s new Executive Director

Down to Earth: The Planet to Plate Podcast

Xochitl Torres Small grew up in Las Cruces, NM, and started her career as an attorney who has working in water and natural resources law. She served as U.S. Representative for New Mexico's 2nd congressional district (2019-20); she was Under Secretary for Rural Development (2021-23); and she served as United States deputy secretary of agriculture (2023-25). She brings her wide-ranging experience Executive Director of Quivira Coalition, and in our conversation she talks about her background, government service, and visions for regeneration and collaboration across the food system. ...

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Food, power, and hope in the American West show art Food, power, and hope in the American West

Down to Earth: The Planet to Plate Podcast

In today's podcast, we talk to Jennifer Sahn, editor of , and writers and , about HCN's September issue, a collaboration with the Food & Environment Reporting Network (FERN). The issue covers a wide range of topics on Food and Power in the American West.  TIMELINE 1'57 and collaboration on "Food and Power in the West" issue 3'17 stories in the issue including meat packing and pecan growing 6'10 the 7'52 what is the 10'12 RICK BASS 10'57 the definition of sustainability and why it's not 100% attainable 12'41 forest service is part of the department of agriculture but really...

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The perils and poetics of being a fire lookout  show art The perils and poetics of being a fire lookout

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grew up on a farm in Minnesota, studied journalism, and got a job at the Wall Street Journal. But after the September 11 attacks and the death of his brother, he left New York behind and took a job as a fire lookout in the Gila National Forest in New Mexico. Following in the footsteps of other fire lookout writers, poets, and philosophers, like Gary Snyder, Jack Kerouac, and Jack Loeffler, he wrote his first book, Fire Season, in 2011. Since then he written three more books, the latest of which, The Mountain Knows the Mountain, incorporates poetry — particularly haiki — to engage both...

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Ted Turner's Ranch: Watching degraded ecosystems bounce back show art Ted Turner's Ranch: Watching degraded ecosystems bounce back

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In 1996, media mogul Ted Turner bought a New Mexico ranch that's bigger than many national parks. A new film, Preserved, details its history, conservation projects, and influence. Previously owned by Pennzoil, the ranch was badly degraded from overgrazing, forest clearcutting, coal mines, fossil fuel extraction, railroads, and a long-term lack of environmental stewardship. Turner's goal was to restore the land and its wildlife, while keeping the ranch profitable through livestock and tourism businesses. The film explores the history and conservation activities of Vermejo Park Ranch,...

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An outdoor classroom for land stewardship—and life skills show art An outdoor classroom for land stewardship—and life skills

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Quinn Mendelson is Conservation Program Director of , a nonprofit that trains young adults to do conservation work in the "outdoor classroom" of New Mexico's landscapes. Not only do they learn skills like trail building, watershed restoration, and wildfire mitigation, but they also receive training that helps them to get jobs—as well as less quantifiable but just as important life skills like getting along with each other, finding their own authentic voices, and being in nature for long periods. The program has been going for three decades, and has led many of its alumni into...

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The Good Meat Movement show art The Good Meat Movement

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What is "good meat"? Michele Thorne has a lot to say on the subject. She is executive director of , a non-profit whose mission is to foster a healthy and humane meat system that centers local production instead of industrial monopolies that damage ecosystems and consolidate wealth. With the core value of transparency, they offer free services to butchers, ranchers, eaters, and chefs, and produce journals and that feature stories about people across the good meat universe. TIMELINE 3'51 what is good meat? 4'52 soil stewardship 5'12 the core value of transparency 5'55 the importance of consumer...

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Navajo farming and entrepreneurship––for the next generation show art Navajo farming and entrepreneurship––for the next generation

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Zachariah Ben is a sixth-generation farmer from Shiprock, New Mexico. He and his family founded Bidii Baby Foods. Using traditional Navajo food traditions, they provide healthy, nutritious, and locally-grown food to Navajo people, many of whom are living in food deserts. And, through entrepreneurship and traditional farming, they seek to heal generational trauma by fostering not only physical health but also spiritual connection to land and community––from surviving to thriving. 4'12 traditional Navajo farming principles 5'01 trauma healing 5'31 farming with the stars, singing, birth...

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Feeding a Divided America show art Feeding a Divided America

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Gilles Stockton is author of the new book, Feeding a Divided America: Reflections of a Western Rancher in the Era of Climate Change, published by University of New Mexico Press. A third generation cattle rancher, he raises beef cattle and sheep on a 5000-acre ranch in Grass Range, Montana. He’s also an international agriculture development specialist and an advocate for ranching and farming communities. The new book imparts a lifetime of wisdom and analysis of what happened to our agriculture system, why, and how we can create a system that gives power back to the farmers who are...

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Down to Earth: The Planet to Plate Podcast

Giles Stockton is author of the new book, Feeding a Divided America: Reflections of a Western Rancher in the Era of Climate Change, published by University of New Mexico Press. A third generation cattle rancher, he raises beef cattle and sheep on a 5000-acre ranch in Grass Range, Montana. He’s also an international agriculture development specialist and an advocate for ranching and farming communities. The new book imparts a lifetime of wisdom and analysis of what happened to our agriculture system, why, and how we can create a system that gives power back to the farmers who are...

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Gilles Stockton is author of the new book, Feeding a Divided America: Reflections of a Western Rancher in the Era of Climate Change, published by University of New Mexico Press. A third generation cattle rancher, he raises beef cattle and sheep on a 5000-acre ranch in Grass Range, Montana. He’s also an international agriculture development specialist and an advocate for ranching and farming communities. The new book imparts a lifetime of wisdom and analysis of what happened to our agriculture system, why, and how we can create a system that gives power back to the farmers who are actually growing our food.

3’01 the book is an extension of his op-ed pieces
4’24 multi-generation ranch background
6’30 raises cattle and sheep, as well as hay
7’14 how Western ranching improves the land
7’46 overgrazing damaged the land; it developed from the collapse of homesteading
9’47 ranching the only sustainable model of large scale agriculture in the US
10’48 the decline of his town early 20th century, and the decline of farms in general
11’57 overproduction led first to subsidies, then to the elimination of small farms
13’37 200,000 farms produce 80% of our food. The rest are trying to survive in an industrial agriculture economic model that doesn’t really want them
14’48 how megafarms came into being in the 1980s–the decision not to enforce antitrust laws, leading to monopolies/cartels
16’57 the problem of externalities
18’11 the difference between competitive capitalism (free enterprise where buyer and seller have equal power) and cartel capitalism–which is more like old-style communism
20’33 cartels can raise prices indiscriminately
21’14 not enough slaughterhouses–system is too centralized
21’52 agriculture has never had a golden age–it’s always been difficult
22’48 farmer gets 15.9¢ out of consumer dollar
23’22 the system steals from the farmer and farm labor
24’25 the “illusion of economies of scale”
24’45 smaller farmers are better farmers
25’20 the role of the farmer has been squeezed out in the name of “efficiency”…then there’s no advocate for the land and animals
26’24 what’s lost when you don’t have the farmer on the ground…the land, the workers, the animals
27’20 corporate boards instead of farmers are making decisions about things they know nothing about
28’23 why monocrops systems are so un-resilient, especially during climate instability
29’39 the problem of the super wealthy buying farm land–looks like colonialism
30’11 the wealthy neighbors don’t understand how their elk sanctuary affects their ranching neighbors
32’02 rural people hate environmentalists more than they hate the corporations that are ruining them
32’36 the sense that their vote doesn’t count
33’32 “they don’t ask our opinion”
35’16 policy for the last 50 years has been anti-rural. Rural voters vote red, but they don’t do anything for rural people. But blue doesn’t either.
36’15 climate change is making things existential
36’46 there’s a movement for anti-trust enforcement, which is encouraging
37’54 we need to decentralize in order to have a healthier food system — what that could look like
38’35 about 1/3 of food in France is sold locally, unlike the US where it’s more like 3%
39’16 the US imports more food than it exports. So much for “feed the world”
39’47 the need for auction markets for all food commodities (instead of contract work)
40’46 we don’t need new anti-trust laws, just enforcement of the existing ones
43’04 Citizens United decision of 2010 was a huge gain for the wealthy and corporate power
44’15 revitalizing rural communities = revitalizing democracy
45’05 the importance of being organized around an idea and staying with it
47’04 the local foods movement is extremely important. But it’s very libertarian in its politics, which means that they don’t deal with the globalized competition, they just do their own thing and stay a part of the 3% of local food
48’33 the Farm Bill isn’t so much a farm bill as an ag business bill. The orgs doing good work need to organize with each other more
49’42 what gives him hope
50’35 what happens after Gilles, what is the plan for the next generation