What If One Word Could Change Everything?
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
Release Date: 11/18/2025
Ep 4: Choosing Purpose Over Security in Business
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
In this episode, Brad and Jim sit down with Mike Saunders, a marketing strategist who helps financial professionals build real authority without gimmicks, pride, or burnout. His story is a masterclass in learning to hear God’s direction in your work, taking bold steps when the timing makes no sense, and grounding your business in trust instead of anxiety. Mike shares how he pivoted from “doing everything for everyone” to becoming a niche leader in authority positioning. But even more, he unpacks the internal pivots, learning to trust the Holy Spirit with...
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Ep 3: Repentance OR Reputation: When Obedience Means Losing Everything
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
What do you do when your entire world collapses – and you’re the reason it did? In this deeply honest conversation, Blake Mattocks shares the defining OR moment that changed everything: protect his reputation and cling to what was familiar or bring his failure into the light and trust God with whatever came next. That decision – costly, humbling, and obedient – became the doorway to unexpected healing and a global ministry impacting millions. This episode reminds us that the Power of OR often appears in moments of surrender, not strategy. The OR Moment Blake...
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What If One Word Could Change Everything?
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
In this episode, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg dig deeper into The Power of OR—the small but transforming shift that helped Brad rebuild his life after a 24-hour collapse that nearly took everything from him. They revisit the moment Brad’s world came apart, the painful assumptions he carried into every room, and how the simple discipline of staying curious—rather than jumping to conclusions—became the turning point. Brad shares how his old patterns of “instant conclusions” convinced him that people in his church hated him, that God had turned His back on him, and that...
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What is the Power of OR?: A Testimony of Betrayal, Brokenness, and Breakthrough
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
In this first-ever episode of the Power of OR Podcast, Brad Hawkins shares the true story behind the movement. Once leading multiple thriving companies across investment management, tech, medical services, and more, Brad watched his world collapse in a single day when a partner’s hidden wrongdoing triggered a federal investigation and froze every dollar he owned. Though ultimately found innocent, Brad lost everything—businesses, reputation, security—and sank into a year marked by depression, anger, and isolation. What followed is the heart of this conversation: the unexpected...
info_outlineIn this episode, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg dig deeper into The Power of OR—the small but transforming shift that helped Brad rebuild his life after a 24-hour collapse that nearly took everything from him. They revisit the moment Brad’s world came apart, the painful assumptions he carried into every room, and how the simple discipline of staying curious—rather than jumping to conclusions—became the turning point.
Brad shares how his old patterns of “instant conclusions” convinced him that people in his church hated him, that God had turned His back on him, and that every negative interaction confirmed what he already believed. The Power of OR interrupted that cycle, helping him ask new questions like “Or is there something I’m not seeing?”—a shift that ultimately restored relationships, confidence, and spiritual clarity.
Jim and Brad explore how OR reshapes leadership and business culture, especially when deeply held beliefs and past experiences quietly limit growth. They highlight how curiosity opens the door to innovation, builds healthier teams, and helps leaders avoid reactionary decisions.
The conversation also weaves through:
• How thoughts ignite emotions, which shape behavior and results
• Why changing internal beliefs is essential for business and personal breakthrough
• How OR mirrors biblical wisdom—especially Paul’s call to “renew your mind”
• The role of the Holy Spirit in slowing us down to hear truth
• A real-life moment when Brad chose OR with a rude barista—and watched God flip the entire exchange
• Why developing “OR muscles” requires community, humility, and honest feedback
• How OR applies not only to emotional triggers but also strategic opportunities in business
Brad and Jim close by inviting you to pay attention to your own moments of OR—the places where God might be opening a door you haven’t noticed yet. If this conversation stirred something in you or reminded you of a moment where curiosity changed everything, they’d love to hear your story and even explore it together on a future episode.
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