Ep 4: Choosing Purpose Over Security in Business
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
Release Date: 12/16/2025
Ep 4: Choosing Purpose Over Security in Business
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
In this episode, Brad and Jim sit down with Mike Saunders, a marketing strategist who helps financial professionals build real authority without gimmicks, pride, or burnout. His story is a masterclass in learning to hear God’s direction in your work, taking bold steps when the timing makes no sense, and grounding your business in trust instead of anxiety. Mike shares how he pivoted from “doing everything for everyone” to becoming a niche leader in authority positioning. But even more, he unpacks the internal pivots, learning to trust the Holy Spirit with...
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Ep 3: Repentance OR Reputation: When Obedience Means Losing Everything
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
What do you do when your entire world collapses – and you’re the reason it did? In this deeply honest conversation, Blake Mattocks shares the defining OR moment that changed everything: protect his reputation and cling to what was familiar or bring his failure into the light and trust God with whatever came next. That decision – costly, humbling, and obedient – became the doorway to unexpected healing and a global ministry impacting millions. This episode reminds us that the Power of OR often appears in moments of surrender, not strategy. The OR Moment Blake...
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What If One Word Could Change Everything?
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
In this episode, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg dig deeper into The Power of OR—the small but transforming shift that helped Brad rebuild his life after a 24-hour collapse that nearly took everything from him. They revisit the moment Brad’s world came apart, the painful assumptions he carried into every room, and how the simple discipline of staying curious—rather than jumping to conclusions—became the turning point. Brad shares how his old patterns of “instant conclusions” convinced him that people in his church hated him, that God had turned His back on him, and that...
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What is the Power of OR?: A Testimony of Betrayal, Brokenness, and Breakthrough
Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led
In this first-ever episode of the Power of OR Podcast, Brad Hawkins shares the true story behind the movement. Once leading multiple thriving companies across investment management, tech, medical services, and more, Brad watched his world collapse in a single day when a partner’s hidden wrongdoing triggered a federal investigation and froze every dollar he owned. Though ultimately found innocent, Brad lost everything—businesses, reputation, security—and sank into a year marked by depression, anger, and isolation. What followed is the heart of this conversation: the unexpected...
info_outlineIn this episode, Brad and Jim sit down with Mike Saunders, a marketing strategist who helps financial professionals build real authority without gimmicks, pride, or burnout. His story is a masterclass in learning to hear God’s direction in your work, taking bold steps when the timing makes no sense, and grounding your business in trust instead of anxiety.
Mike shares how he pivoted from “doing everything for everyone” to becoming a niche leader in authority positioning. But even more, he unpacks the internal pivots, learning to trust the Holy Spirit with his business, fighting worry with truth, and keeping his identity rooted in Christ while working in an industry that can easily feed the ego.
What We Cover
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Mike’s “OR moment”: step back into corporate… or step forward into entrepreneurship with God’s leading
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How narrowing his niche created clarity, success—and peace
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The difference between pride and God-honoring confidence
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How he integrates faith naturally with clients
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Why identity in Christ stabilizes you when business feels like a rollercoaster
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The discipline of “prayoritizing” your day
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Wisdom for younger entrepreneurs: excellence, urgency, and constant growth
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A picture of retirement that looks more like Kingdom impact than checking out
Why This Conversation Matters
Mike’s journey gives a refreshing vision for Christian entrepreneurs who want to lead with integrity, keep anxiety at bay, and build something that lasts longer than their career. His stories and principles offer practical handles for inviting the Holy Spirit into daily decision-making – especially in seasons of uncertainty.
Featuring: Mike Saunders
Ministry/ Workplace: Marketing Strategist