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492: Meet the Fantastic—and Controversial—Dr. David Healy

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

Release Date: 03/09/2026

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Meet the Fantastic—and Controversial—Dr. David Healy

Psychiatric Drug Companies--

What Are They NOT Telling Us?

Today, we are thrilled to interview the famed and courageous Dr. David Healy. I have admired his work for many years, but never imagined I’d have the chance to meet him and chat with him.

First things first. You may know Dr. David Healy for some of his highly controversial books, like “The Antidepressant Era,” “Let Them Eat Prozac,” and “Pharmageddon.”

But who is he, really?

According to AI,

Dr. David Healy is a prominent Welsh psychiatrist, psychopharmacologist, and critic of the pharmaceutical industry known for his research on antidepressants, their links to suicide, and exposing industry practices like ghostwriting and disease-mongering, operating through initiatives like RxISK.org to promote drug safety. He has a long history of challenging Big Pharma, facing academic backlash (like losing a University of Toronto post) for his views, and serving as an expert witness in legal cases involving psychotropic drugs, advocating for greater transparency and patient safety. 

Healy initially worked with pharmaceutical companies, gaining firsthand knowledge of how SSRIs were marketed despite their trial weaknesses, focusing on the oversimplified serotonin hypothesis.

He then became a vocal critic, highlighting issues like ghostwriting articles and manipulating academic opinion to sell drugs, leading to conflicts with industry-funded institutions.

He founded RxISK.org, a platform for patients to report adverse drug reactions, aiming to make medicines safer.

His strong stance (on research linking SSRI antidepressants to increased suicidal thoughts and urges) led to intense and corrosive controversy, including losing a professorship at the University of Toronto (though later settled as a visiting role) and harassment, noted here and here.

In recent years, he has acted as an expert witness in cases involving drug-related suicides and homicides, bringing issues to regulators. 

In essence, Dr. David Healy is a significant, often controversial, figure dedicated to drug safety, academic integrity, and patient awareness in psychiatry, challenging established narratives and industry power. 

Taking a deeper dive, AI has added this critically important information:

David Healy has discussed numerous examples of conflicts of interest that mainly involve the influence of the pharmaceutical industry on medical research, publication, and practice. 

Key examples he has highlighted include:

  • Ghostwriting of Articles: Pharmaceutical companies hire medical communication firms to draft research articles or reviews, and then get prominent academics or clinicians to put their names on the papers as the sole or primary authors, a practice known as ghostwriting. The named authors often have little to no involvement in the actual research or writing.
  • Hiding or Misrepresenting Data: Drug companies have concealed unfavorable data or miscoded raw data on drug risks, such as the link between antidepressants and suicidal acts. This manipulation can make a drug appear safer or more effective than it actually is.
  • Biased Clinical Trial Design: Healy notes instances where clinical trials are designed with "tricks," such as using inadequate or excessive doses of comparison medications to make the company's own drug look superior.
  • Marketing-Driven Education: A large portion of continuing medical education (CME) classes for doctors are sponsored by industry. Healy argues this leads to a bias in the information presented to doctors, with an emphasis on the benefits of brand-name drugs rather than an objective assessment of all treatment options.
  • Gifts and Payments to Physicians: Drug companies spend billions annually on marketing directed at doctors, including free samples, sales visits, and small non-educational gifts or lunches. Healy points out that while many doctors believe these gifts don't affect their own prescribing, studies show they influence prescribing patterns and create subtle biases.
  • Industry Influence on Academia: Healy's own experience with a job offer being rescinded at the University of Toronto, which had received a large donation from a drug company (Eli Lilly), is a prominent case he uses to illustrate how industry funding can infringe upon academic freedom and stifle critical research.
  • "Disease Mongering": Healy argues that the pharmaceutical industry often engages in "disease mongering," marketing conditions to the public and physicians to create a market for their products rather than simply addressing genuine medical needs. 

So that hopefully gives you some idea of the scope of his work, and his vision of transparency and integrity in the reporting one the effectiveness and risks of psychotropic medications. In our conversation today, he emphasized the importance of listening to patients who describe side effects of medications, such as SSRIs, in described the efforts of Big Pharma to suppress such complaints, giving psychiatrists “talking points” to reassure and quiet concerned patients.

In general, a main focus of his career has been to challenge and confront the efforts of drug companies to suppress negative information about their products and troublesome and dangerous side effects. He said that one of the rationales the drug companies use is to say that disseminating that type of information will discourage many potential patients from using their products, and therefore miss out on the potential benefits of the medications. In fact, they have a name for this, “treatment hesitancy,” and discourage open discussion of negative effects for this reason.

I asked Dr. Healy if he’s experienced direct negative pushback from drug companies, and he gave a surprising answer—he said no, that the major pushback he’s gotten has actually been from colleagues—psychiatrists who have bought the party line disseminated by the drug manufactures.

For example, when he gave his famous talk at the University of Toronto on the increase in suicidal urges associated with SSRI antidepressants, a famous psychopharmacologist, Dr. Charlie Nemeroff, got him fired.

Here’s the story on Dr. Nemeroff, According to AI:

In the late 2000s, Nemeroff faced investigations and sanctions from Emory University for failing to disclose significant speaking and consulting fees from pharmaceutical companies like GlaxoSmithKline, raising questions about research integrity and conflicts of interest, notes The BMJ and The New York Times

Although the antidepressant effects of SSRIs are controversial and hotly debated, their effects on the nervous system are not. Dr. Healy’s research indicates that they have a suppression effect on the nervous system, which dulls the senses, and this can happen within 1 to 2 days.

One of the more troublesome of these effects is called “genital numbing,” which affects 9 out of 10  people talking SSRIs. This can result in difficulties with sexual arousal and greatly delayed orgasm, and apparently these effects can persist long after drug discontinuation. He said that these sensory effects can develop quickly, within a day or two of starting the medications.

Even more chilling, he said that the problem can actually get worse when you discontinue the medication, and can sometimes persist for life.

In addition, quite a few individuals have “bad trips” on SSRIs, although a minority clearly have “good trips.” He said the best thing to do for a bad trip is to take the patient off of the medication immediately—and NOT increase the dose. He confirmed my impression that a common error with all antidepressants is to increase the dose—which simply increases the side effects.

In addition to the genital numbing described above, he said the SSRIs cause “emotional numbing,” which means a decreased capacity for joy as well as sorrow.

One of the main activities in David Healy’s life has been listening to patients, rather than discounting their complaints when they describe negative effects of medications.

When asked about what alternatives to drugs he might recommend to someone struggling with depression, he said that sometimes, just doing nothing will be helpful, since most mood problems clear up spontaneously in 12 to 14 weeks. He said that most are simply human problems, not “mental disorders,” but real-life problems, like relationship conflicts or social issues.

Although we did not discuss it extensively on the show, I would point out that skillful, drug-free therapy with TEAM CBT can sometimes help as well, and that recent research has confirmed rapid often dramatic mood improvements with individuals using the Feeling Great app, which has been entirely free to anyone since the summer of 2025. 

Finally, we do not advise anyone to discontinue or modify the dosages of any medications you have been prescribed without consultation with your doctor. The information in the Feeling Good podcast is of a strictly educational nature, and is not intended as treatment or medical advice.

We thank you for listening to today’s shocking but incredibly important dialogue with one of the pioneers and champions of greater ethical integrity and transparency in the psychiatric profession. It is sad, indeed, that we don’t have more visionary critical thinkers like Dr. David Healy!

David (H), Rhonda, and David (B)