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MFP 372: Prayer for Beginners - Interview with the Science of Sainthood

Messy Family Podcast : Catholic Conversations on Marriage and Family

Release Date: 03/09/2026

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"Without a life of prayer, you are really not living as a Catholic" - Matt Leonard

 

Summary

What does it really mean to “go deeper” in prayer? And what if you pray every day but don’t feel anything?  This week we’re joined by Matthew Leonard, founder of The Science of Sainthood, to talk about what real spiritual growth looks like. We break down the three modes of prayer, vocal, meditation, and contemplation, and how they form a path to holiness. Matthew shares practical steps for building a daily habit of mental prayer, handling distractions, and creating space for silence. We also talk about how married couples can grow spiritually together without pressure or guilt.  If you’ve ever wondered whether you’re making progress in your prayer life, this conversation will give you clarity, encouragement, and a clear next step.

 

Key Takeaways

  • Prayer is essential, not optional.  Without prayer, we’re not really living the fullness of Catholic life. A relationship with the Lord isn’t an add-on. It’s fundamental.

  • There’s a path to deeper prayer.  Vocal prayer, meditation, and contemplation build on each other. Vocal prayer engages body and soul. Meditation is daily mental prayer and real conversation with God. Contemplation is a gift from God that we prepare for through faithfulness.

  • “Feeling nothing” doesn’t mean nothing is happening.  Distractions are normal. Lack of emotion isn’t failure. Stay faithful, show up, and trust that God is at work beneath the surface.

  • Consistency creates growth.  Commit to a time and place. Embrace silence. Use Scripture or spiritual reading to focus. Act on inspirations. Over time, deeper prayer opens you to greater grace.

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • How can we support each other as we grow in our prayer life? 

  • What does our personal prayer life actually look like right now, and where do we each feel invited to go deeper?

 

Resources

https://www.scienceofsainthood.com/