How to Reclaim Your Energy When Burned Out (Dianne Andree)
Release Date: 05/10/2026
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Picture a school counselor's office with a shoebox of sand tucked under the desk. A parent is on the phone getting heated, and while she listens, my guest slips off one shoe and presses her foot into the sand until she can practically smell the ocean. Thirty seconds later, she's steady again. That trick is one of dozens Dianne Andree uses to reclaim her energy when she's burned out, and she's spent more than 25 years in education and mental health learning how. Dianne is an award-winning international speaker and burnout prevention specialist who stood on the brink of burnout herself as a...
info_outlinePicture a school counselor's office with a shoebox of sand tucked under the desk. A parent is on the phone getting heated, and while she listens, my guest slips off one shoe and presses her foot into the sand until she can practically smell the ocean. Thirty seconds later, she's steady again. That trick is one of dozens Dianne Andree uses to reclaim her energy when she's burned out, and she's spent more than 25 years in education and mental health learning how.
Dianne is an award-winning international speaker and burnout prevention specialist who stood on the brink of burnout herself as a school counselor and administrator, to the point she nearly left the field entirely. We get into the difference between American "hurry culture" and how the rest of the world treats rest (something she noticed firsthand representing the U.S. on a panel with a dozen other countries in India), why "I should be doing more" is the thought that burns high performers out the fastest, and her "power of pause" method for staying present instead of comparing your path to everyone else's.
We also cover the four biggest energy drains Dianne sees most in her coaching, and why "stop shoulding on yourself" might be the best boundary advice you hear all year.
Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwhVSoFLrwI
In this episode
- Why reclaiming your energy when you're burned out starts with noticing the sleep that never actually rests you
- The "hurry culture" habit most Americans don't even realize they have, and what other countries do differently
- Dianne's "power of pause" method for staying present instead of comparing your path to everyone else's
- The "30-second reset" she teaches for when things start to spiral
- Why "stop shoulding on yourself" beats chasing the next TEDx talk or book deal
- The biggest energy drains Dianne sees most in high performers, and what to do about them
Timestamps
- (00:01) Welcome and introducing burnout prevention specialist Dianne Andree
- (01:23) How she landed in school counseling, and later, burnout prevention
- (08:39) What burnout actually felt like: sleep that never rests you
- (11:28) Small daily practices that helped her cope: music, journaling, drive-time to decompress
- (13:33) Learning to say no, so you can say yes to what matters
- (14:40) Deciding who is an energy drain and who is an energy filler
- (18:03) America's "hurry culture," and what she saw representing the U.S. alongside a dozen other countries
- (21:02) Why human connection, not more doing, is the real fix for burnout
- (22:21) The "30-second reset" and getting grounded before things spiral
- (23:23) The shoebox-of-sand trick from her school counseling days
- (26:46) Comparison, "good enough," and social media's highlight reel
- (29:11) Harnessing the "power of pause" to sit in gratitude instead of the path ahead
- (32:30) Where to find Dianne, and her free "simple morning routine"
About Dianne Andree
Dianne Andree is an award-winning international speaker and burnout prevention specialist with more than 25 years of experience in mental health, having stood on the brink of burnout herself. She brings powerful insight, authenticity, and practical strategies that help individuals and organizations reclaim energy, focus, and purpose.
Learn more, including her free "simple morning routine" guide, at dianneandree.com, or connect with her on LinkedIn.
Favorite quotes
"Stop shoulding on yourself. Should, shoulda, coulda, woulda, stop shoulding on yourself." —Dianne Andree
"There's a lot of things in our life we can't control, but I can decide where I put my energy. That is something I have complete control over." —Dianne Andree
"The windshield is bigger than the rear view mirror for a reason." —Dianne Andree
Resources mentioned
- DianneAndree.com: Dianne's site, home to her free "simple morning routine" guide and "30-second reset" videos
- Dianne Andree on LinkedIn
- Emory University's Compassion Center, referenced by Dianne as the source of her cognitively based compassion training certification
- How to Fill Your Bucket, the "cute little book" Dianne mentions on the "you can't pour from an empty bucket" idea
Related episodes
- How to Spot Burnout Before It's Too Late: More on catching the early warning signs Dianne describes before you hit rock bottom.
- Overcoming Burnout, Hustle Culture, and Redefining Success: A companion conversation on why hustle culture burns out high performers, and how to redefine success on your own terms.
- Why Your Midlife 'Crisis' Might Actually Be Burnout: Another look at burnout as a full-body wake-up call rather than a personal failing.
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