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From Texting to Talking Sales Training for Gen Z

Sales Today

Release Date: 11/20/2025

The secret to faster training and coaching result show art The secret to faster training and coaching result

Sales Today

In this episode, Fred is joined by John Richardson, Co-Founder and Director of Coaching at My Sales Coach, to explore a key question: how do you get faster, more meaningful results from training and coaching?   Their answer is simple but powerful: start with the right assessment.   They unpack why great coaches are always assessing (without judging), how the right diagnostics can shorten the path to meaningful improvement, and why revenue alone isn’t a useful starting point for development. John explains how My Sales Coach uses assessments to build coaching plans with focus,...

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Is 'good enough' good enough? show art Is 'good enough' good enough?

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In this episode of The Sales Today Podcast, Fred Copestake is joined by sales thought leader, author, and one of the kindest people in the profession, David Brock.   Together, they explore David’s new book “Is Good Enough, Good Enough?”  and why it’s not another “do this, do that” sales methodology book. Instead, it focuses on the mindsets and behaviours that separate high performers from those who are simply checking the boxes.   With win rates often accepted at 15–20% in many SaaS environments, David challenges the idea that “making the number” should...

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The secret to faster training and coaching result show art The secret to faster training and coaching result

Sales Today

In this episode, Fred is joined by John Richardson, Co-Founder and Director of Coaching at My Sales Coach, to explore a key question: how do you get faster, more meaningful results from training and coaching?   Their answer is simple but powerful: start with the right assessment.   They unpack why great coaches are always assessing (without judging), how the right diagnostics can shorten the path to meaningful improvement, and why revenue alone isn’t a useful starting point for development. John explains how My Sales Coach uses assessments to build coaching plans with focus,...

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How to avoid AI killing your communication skills show art How to avoid AI killing your communication skills

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In this episode of The Sales Today Podcast, Fred Copestake is joined by communications and speech coach Susie Ashfield, author of Just F**king Say It and a third-time guest on the show.   This is an “emergency podcast” sparked by a moment on LinkedIn: Susie posted a video where she stumbled and left it in. No polishing. No AI. No pretending.   Because as AI-generated content gets smoother, faster, and more convincing, the thing that makes us stand out is increasingly simple:- being human.   Together, Fred and Susie explore what we risk losing when we outsource too...

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What is Selling? (And Has It Changed?) show art What is Selling? (And Has It Changed?)

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In the final episode of the Sales Today mini-series, Fred Copestake and James Michael step back to answer a deceptively simple question: Has selling really changed? The answer is both yes - and no. This closing conversation brings together the themes explored across the series and reframes selling not as persuasion or pressure, but as something far more human, thoughtful, and aligned with how buyers actually make decisions today. In this episode, they explore: What has stayed the same in selling - and what has genuinely evolved Why selling has always been about understanding...

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CEMMT vs SaaS and an Ethical Approach show art CEMMT vs SaaS and an Ethical Approach

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In Episode 4 of the Sales Today mini series, Fred Copestake and James Michael tackle a growing tension in modern selling: the contrast between SaaS-led sales thinking and the realities of selling in CEMMT industries - construction, engineering, manufacturing, mining, and transport.   At the heart of the discussion is Fred’s work on Ethical Selling and why ethics isn’t an abstract concept, but a practical, tactical necessity - particularly in complex, long-term, high-consequence sales environments.   This episode challenges hype-driven sales narratives and asks a bigger...

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Why Great Sales Conversations Are Built on Process, Not Personality show art Why Great Sales Conversations Are Built on Process, Not Personality

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In Episode 3 in this five part mini series of Sales Today Podcast, Fred Copestake and James Michael explore a question that challenges another long-held belief in sales: do great sales conversations succeed because of personality - or because of process? This episode looks at how the most effective salespeople consciously select their mode during conversations, switching between listening, questioning, sharing insight, and guiding the discussion - always with the buyer’s outcome in mind. Rather than restricting creativity, process and structure create the space for better thinking,...

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Why “The Gift of the Gab” Is a Myth in Modern Sales show art Why “The Gift of the Gab” Is a Myth in Modern Sales

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In Episode 2 of the CEMMT Sales Series, Fred Copestake and James Michael challenge one of the most persistent stereotypes in sales: that success comes from being loud, charismatic, and constantly talking.   Focusing on technical and specialist industries such as construction, engineering, manufacturing, and logistics, this episode explores why many highly capable professionals feel uncomfortable with selling — and why that discomfort is often rooted in outdated assumptions about what sales really is.   In this episode, we explore: Where the “gift of the gab”...

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Why Old Sales Tactics Don’t Work Anymore (And What Does) show art Why Old Sales Tactics Don’t Work Anymore (And What Does)

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In this opening episode of a 5 part mini series of Sales Today, we do things a little differently.   Instead of the usual host-led interview, Fred Copestake is in the hot seat as James Michael turns the tables and leads the conversation. Chatting from opposite sides of the world – Fred in the UK and James in Australia – the discussion reflects a wider theme of this episode: sales has been turned upside down.   Together, they explore how selling has evolved from persuasion, pressure, and performance theatre into something far more human, ethical, and buyer-led.   ...

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Live Review: 2026 State of Sales Coaching show art Live Review: 2026 State of Sales Coaching

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In this solo episode, host Fred Copestake conducts a live, first-reaction review of the My Sales Coach “State of Sales Coaching in 2026” Report.   Fred reads the executive summary, explores the data, and offers unfiltered commentary on what the findings mean for sales leaders, salespeople, and the future of coaching - human and AI.   He dives into coaching frequency, quality, barriers, performance impact, the role of AI, who salespeople trust as coaches, and why tenured sellers may be the most underserved group of all.   If you want to deepen your coaching culture,...

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In this weeks episode we address communication preferences of Gen Z sales professionals, highlighting the need for empathy and understanding from seasoned sales managers.

 

With insights from Janet Efero, an award-winning sales trainer, we explore the generational shift in communication styles and its impact on sales.

 

This episode is packed with strategies to bridge the gap between traditional sales skills and modern digital communication tools, equipping young professionals with the necessary skills to thrive.

 

Moving beyond mere comfort zones, we dissect effective sales training structures that cater to building resilience and confidence.

 

Discover Janet's approach, which encourages gradual exposure to daunting tasks like cold calling, making them less intimidating and more approachable.

 

We discuss the importance of structured yet flexible training frameworks that prioritise questioning, listening, and rapport-building over rigid scripts. This method provides a nurturing learning environment for new recruits, ensuring they are well-prepared to face the complexities of the sales landscape.

 

We also challenge traditional sales training methodologies, advocating for a more human-centered approach. Janet shares innovative tactics like personalised communication and unique marketing strategies that stand out in our fast-paced digital world.

 

Learn how short, digestible training bursts can resonate more with Gen Z, making the sales journey not just a task but an exciting, rewarding experience.

 

By breaking away from conventional strategies, meaningful interactions can lead to tangible results and creativity in sales.

 

Chapters:

00:00 - Generational Shift in Communication Skills

10:52 - Effective Sales Training Structure

17:16)- Rethinking Sales Training Approaches

28:59 - Innovative Sales Tactics and Empathy

 

Links and Resources

Connect with Janet  https://www.linkedin.com/in/janetefere-adaptivesales/

 

Follow Fred: https://linktr.ee/fredcopestake

 

Take the Collaborative Selling Scorecard https://collaborativeselling.scoreapp.com/

 

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/r2eSFRTfRqY

 

Watch my FREE YouTube Course: Sales Mastery for Engineers: https://bit.ly/Sales-Mastery-For-Engineers