Practicing Hope Podcast
Practicing Hope is a podcast for Christians looking for honest conversations about the brokenness and beauty in the world. Hosted by your friends at The Colossian Forum, you'll learn about reconciliation, transformation, and new ways to practice hope.
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How to Stay Human (And Hopeful) When Scrolling
12/11/2025
How to Stay Human (And Hopeful) When Scrolling
Have you ever opened your phone “just for a minute” and ended up angry at strangers on the internet? So many of us pick up our phones to relax, but instead feel restless, stressed, and less present to the people right in front of us. What if your online life could actually become a place to practice hope and love? In this episode of our Beholding series, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson talk about how phones and social media shape our brains, our bodies, and our relationships — and how small, practical practices can help us stay human, grounded, and open to God, even while we scroll. In this episode, you’ll hear: Why doomscrolling creates “micro-stress cycles” in your body Honest stories of losing and finding hope in online spaces Simple ways to set boundaries and bring your real self back into the room Show Notes: on engaging faithfully in online conversations (featured on The Colossian Forum’s blog, The Latest) The Colossian Forum “” — follow us on Instagram for regular prayers @colossianforum (recommended pre-phone viewing for teens) Practice of tracking daily screen time in a paper planner Ideas for analog hobbies: reading, coloring, puzzles, tying flies for fishing, walking outside If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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How Small Acts of Curiosity Can Save the Friendship
11/26/2025
How Small Acts of Curiosity Can Save the Friendship
Have you ever felt a friendship grow tense or distant and weren’t sure why? In a world marked by polarization and quick assumptions, even strong friendships can feel fragile. A single comment, a post, or a difference in perspective can suddenly amplify the distance between us. But what if the gap you feel isn’t the end of the relationship — just an invitation to truly see each other again? In this episode, Tanner, Chase, and Sarah explore why division makes friendships harder to navigate, why we sometimes turn friends into “categories,” and how small acts of curiosity can soften what feels strained. In this episode, you’ll hear: Why polarized culture makes friendship feel more fragile What’s really happening when a friend starts to feel like a stranger Simple practices for reconnecting with curiosity and humility Show Notes: Curiosity prompt: “How did you come to see it that way?” Practice: Everyday Carry (EDC) Questions When a friendship feels tense or distant, try carrying an “Everyday Carry” question — one simple prompt you can use to stay curious instead of reactive. Just like you keep your keys or phone on hand, keep a question ready that helps you slow down and listen. Something like “How did you come to see it that way?”, “What shaped the way you think about this?”, or “What feels most important to you here?” These kinds of questions invite real stories instead of assumptions and create a little more space for connection when a moment feels tender or difficult. If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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What Hurry is Doing to Your Relationships
11/12/2025
What Hurry is Doing to Your Relationships
Have you noticed hurry shrinking your capacity to love the people right in front of you? The pace of life makes us reactive — rushing kids out the door, skimming conversations, and missing moments that matter. What if slowing down wasn’t about doing less, but about learning to see as God sees? In this kickoff to our Beholding series, Tanner, Chase, and Sarah explore how hurry distorts our relationships and how attention, presence, and prayer can restore them. Warm, practical, and honest—this conversation helps you trade frantic for faithful with the people you love most. In this episode, you’ll hear: Why “beholding” (2 Corinthians 5) changes how we see each other Everyday practices to resist urgency and be present A simple prayer rhythm to rest in God’s lovingkindness Show Notes Beholding: “From now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view” (Thomas Keating): using a prayer word like “lovingkindness” (example of “seeing” the ordinary) Resource: — free guide from The Colossian Forum If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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When Powerlessness Becomes a Habit and How to Break It
10/29/2025
When Powerlessness Becomes a Habit and How to Break It
Have you ever felt powerless in a situation you care deeply about? When things feel out of control, it’s easy to slip into the story that says, “There’s nothing I can do.” But what if helplessness isn’t the whole story? In this episode, Tanner Smith, Chase Rashad Stancle, and Sarah Johnson wrap up their Relational Triangles series by exploring the Victim role — what it really is, what it isn’t, and how to move from stuckness to agency. Through Scripture, humor, and real-life examples, they unpack how empathy and small choices can restore hope and courage in the midst of overwhelm. In this episode, you’ll hear: How to tell the difference between feeling powerless and being powerless Why empathy is the first step toward reclaiming agency How to shift from victim to creator — finding a faithful way forward Show Notes Stephen Karpman’s Drama Triangle: Victim, Villain, Hero roles – Elijah’s story of exhaustion and renewal : “15 Reflection Questions for Moving From Powerlessness to Agency” — a free resource to help you or someone you lead move from helplessness to hopeful agency through gentle, faith-centered self-reflection and conversation. If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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Why the Blame Game Keeps Us Stuck
10/15/2025
Why the Blame Game Keeps Us Stuck
Can we be honest? Blame feels good — at least for a moment. It’s quick, easy, and even a little satisfying to find someone else to fault. But before we know it, that “warm blanket” of blame can leave us isolated and stuck. In this next installment of the Relational Triangles series on the Practicing Hope Podcast, Sarah Johnson joins Tanner Smith and Chase Rashad Stancle to explore the role of the Accuser and how to move from calling people out to calling people in. Together, they unpack how fear, blame, and even our brains can keep us reactive and how curiosity, confession, and prayer can open space for real connection and growth. In this episode, you’ll hear: Why anxious systems feed on blame and how to calm them How to shift from accuser to challenger A simple prayer to slow down and respond with wisdom Show Notes Stephen Karpman’s Drama Triangle: Victim, Villain, Hero roles Brain science: amygdala, mirror neurons, dopamine/oxytocin — “Search me and know my heart…” : 15 Reflection Questions for Leaders — a free PDF with 10+ thoughtful prompts you can keep in your back pocket to reframe conflict and invite growth — a simple, free, practical resource to help leaders pause, breathe, and show up as a peaceful presence when tensions rise — a reflection-based guide that helps you pause in the heat of tension and move from reactivity to agency, so you can show up with greater clarity, peace, and presence. If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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Stop Saving Everyone (Even if You're Good at it)
09/24/2025
Stop Saving Everyone (Even if You're Good at it)
Have you ever felt the pressure to fix everyone else’s problems? Maybe with your kids, your congregation, or coworkers, you step in, smooth things over, and carry weight that isn’t yours. It feels noble, but it can drain you and keep others from growing. What if rescuing isn’t the most loving thing you can do? In Part 2 of our Relational Triangles series, hosts Tanner Smith and Chase Rashad Stancle — joined by Sarah Johnson — unpack the “hero/rescuer” role of the Drama Triangle: why anxious systems reward over-functioning and how to shift from rescuer to coach with simple, wise questions. In this episode, you’ll hear: Why leaders are tempted to over-function How rescuing can quietly dishonor people Coaching questions to invite growth instead of fixing Show Notes: Stephen Karpman’s Drama Triangle: Victim, Villain, Hero roles (body metaphor) — a simple, free, practical resource to help leaders pause, breathe, and show up as a peaceful presence when tensions rise — a free PDF with 10+ thoughtful prompts you can keep in your back pocket to reframe conflict and invite growth If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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Why You Keep Getting Pulled in: Understanding Relational Triangles
09/10/2025
Why You Keep Getting Pulled in: Understanding Relational Triangles
Have you ever found yourself pulled into someone else’s conflict? It happens at work, at church, even in the grocery store. One moment you’re minding your own business, and the next you’re caught in the middle of a conversation that really belongs between two other people. What if, instead of absorbing stress that isn’t yours, you could learn to notice these moments and respond more healthily? In this hope-filled episode of Leading in Practice, hosts Tanner Smith and Chase Rashad Stancle explore the hidden dynamics of relational triangles. They share stories from pastoral life, practical strategies to “flatten the triangle,” and ways to discern when you’re moving toward connection—or just lowering discomfort. Along with guest producer Sarah, they reveal how triangles can either short-circuit relationships or create surprising space for wisdom and healing. In this episode, you’ll hear: How to spot the difference between gossip, venting, and seeking wisdom. A simple practice for “flattening the triangle” and inviting the right person in. Why noticing your patterns can help you stay grounded instead of over-functioning. Show Notes: Edwin Friedman’s “balcony vs. dance floor” metaphor from by Ronald Heifetz and Marty Linsky The Karpman Drama Triangle: victim, villain, hero roles If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website , and follow us on social media .
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How Not to Lose Yourself in Conflict
06/18/2025
How Not to Lose Yourself in Conflict
Have you ever lost yourself in the middle of conflict? When tensions rise, many of us either rush to fix things or soften the edges to keep the peace. But what if you could stay grounded — anchored in your values — even when things get hard? In this honest and hope-filled episode of Practicing Hope, Rev. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle explore what it means to be a defined leader: someone who knows their values, shows up with clarity, and doesn’t disappear in the heat of conflict. You’ll laugh, reflect, and leave with practical tools for staying present when it matters most. In this episode, you’ll hear: How shared language can build trust in hard conversations. How to name the values that keep you grounded. Simple practices for staying connected when tensions rise. Show Notes: Learn more about Try the Terry Real on generational trauma. Fred Rogers quote: “Anything that’s human is mentionable, and anything that is mentionable can be more manageable. When we can talk about our feelings, they become less overwhelming, less upsetting, and less scary. The people we trust with that important talk can help us know that we are not alone.” If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media . If you’d like to receive bi-monthly prayer, encouragement, and hopeful practices, to our email newsletter, Hope in Your Inbox.
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The Spiritual Practice of Leaving Your Comfort Zone with Telos
05/28/2025
The Spiritual Practice of Leaving Your Comfort Zone with Telos
What if the key to peace is getting closer, not pulling away? In this episode of Practicing Hope, Tanner Smith sits down with Todd Deatherage and Emily Cullum of Telos, a peacemaking organization that leads immersive trips into places shaped by conflict. Together, they explore how “getting proximate” — moving toward people and places we don’t understand — can transform our lives, deepen empathy, and help us love more like Jesus. If you’ve ever wondered how to faithfully engage across difference or how to love when it’s hard, this conversation offers hope and practical next steps. In this episode: Proximity helps us see others as fully human. Growth and empathy often begin where our comfort ends. Christians are called to be peacemakers, even when it’s uncomfortable. Show notes: Learn more about Telos Group by visiting their . “” episode on the Practicing Hope podcast. If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org and follow us on social media . If you’d like to receive bi-monthly prayer, encouragement, and hopeful practices, to our email newsletter, Hope in Your Inbox.
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Balancing the Call
05/14/2025
Balancing the Call
What does it look like to lead with integrity — in the pulpit and at the dinner table? In this vulnerable and hopeful episode, Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle reflect on the real tensions of being both ministry leaders and family members. Through laughter, honest stories, and hard-earned wisdom, they explore what it means to integrate your calling with your core identity. Together, they explore what it means to be fully human, to show up with honesty, and to lead from a place of wholeness. Whether you're a parent, pastor, or both, this conversation is a gentle invitation to integrate your faith, your work, and your relationships with grace. In this episode, Chase and Tanner discuss: Why leading with integrity starts with knowing yourself How open family dialogue builds emotional resilience Practices to stay present with your loved ones under pressure Show notes: “” by Jenny Brown “” by Kathleen Smith If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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Competing Values in Fundraising
05/01/2025
Competing Values in Fundraising
What do you do when funding opportunities come with tension and tough choices? In this episode on The Practicing Hope Podcast, Jess and Jeff dive into the real-life tension between staying true to your mission and accepting the money that helps make it happen. From generous gifts to gifts with strings attached, they explore how nonprofit leaders can navigate financial decisions without losing their integrity. With honest stories and practical steps, they invite you to lead with courage, even when the pressure is high. Whether you work in fundraising or just care about doing good work faithfully, this episode offers wisdom and hope for the road ahead. In this episode, Jess and Jeff discuss: Why some gifts come with invisible strings — and how to name them How leaders can respond to power and anxiety with systems thinking Four steps for navigating funding tensions with wisdom and grace If you liked this episode, check out these resources: “” by Henri Nouwen “” by Max De Pree “” by Jeff Munroe If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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Going Toward in Difficult Relationships
04/23/2025
Going Toward in Difficult Relationships
What if the difficult people in your life are also your greatest teachers? In this episode, Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle and Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith take an honest, hopeful look at what it means to lead in the midst of hard relationships. Instead of giving a formula to fix “those people,” they turn the focus inward, offering wisdom and practical tools to help leaders respond with love, boundaries, and self-awareness. From guilt bonds to compassion fatigue, they unpack the reasons difficult relationships wear us down. They explore keys to staying grounded in your identity, even when tension rises. This conversation is full of laughter, honesty, and encouragement for any leader who feels worn out by people they’re trying to love well. In this episode, Chase and Tanner discuss: Difficult people often reveal the deeper work God is doing in us. Healthy boundaries are a gift to you and the people you lead. Love doesn’t have to be earned to be given If you liked this episode, check out these resources: – A resource on compassion fatigue and leadership wellness. by Henri Nouwen – A reflection on how our wounds can become a source of healing for others. (Luke 15:11-32) – A biblical story referenced to explore the nature of God's unconditional love. Writings by Howard Thurman – Particularly his reflections on inner calm during the civil rights movement and how that inner calm enables nonviolent presence in the face of outer chaos. If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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Competing Values in Leadership
04/16/2025
Competing Values in Leadership
What do you do when the people you lead hold competing values? Whether it’s politics, sexuality, or the color of the sanctuary carpet, leaders are often stuck in the middle. They find themselves caught between people who love Jesus but can’t see eye to eye. In this episode, Jess and Jeff draw from real-life examples and Scripture to unpack how non-anxious leadership can change the tone of an entire community. You’ll hear stories of the power of curiosity, and how laughter, shared meals, and guiding values can help us reconnect when division threatens to pull us apart. With wisdom, humor, and even an illustration from a Ted Lasso scene, they offer hopeful next steps for leaders facing division. You’ll hear: Why surface issues are rarely the real issues. How systems thinking can help leaders stay grounded when anxiety spikes. Why curiosity (not judgment) is the key to building connection in divided communities. If you liked this episode, check out these resources: in Ted Lasso “Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and freedom” (Viktor Frankl). “” by Jeffrey Munroe If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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Paying Attention to Your Body
04/09/2025
Paying Attention to Your Body
What if your body is trying to tell you something important? In this episode, Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle explore the powerful connection between our bodies, emotions, and spiritual well-being. They discuss how ignoring physical signals can impact leadership, relationships, and mental health. Whether you're a pastor or not, learning to listen to your body can lead to healing, stronger connections, and more intentional decision-making. In this episode, Tanner and Chase discuss: Our bodies send important messages, but we often ignore them to stay busy. Neglecting physical needs, like rest and food, can affect how we treat others. Paying attention to our bodies can help us heal emotionally and grow in self-awareness. If you liked this episode, check out these resources: “” by Aundi Kolber “” by Bessel Van Der Kolk, M.D. If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org, and follow us on social media .
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Competing Values Within Yourself
04/02/2025
Competing Values Within Yourself
In the first episode of our new segment, Systems and Shifts, Rev. Jess Shults and Rev. Jeffrey Munroe talk about the challenges leaders face when their personal beliefs change, but their jobs and organizations expect them to stay the same. They discuss why these internal conflicts happen and share advice on how to handle them wisely, especially when personal growth or changes in faith don’t match the values of the organization. Throughout their conversation, they talk about the difficulties of leading in Christian environments, where faith, change, and expectations often clash. Jeff also shares personal stories from his own ministry experiences to help others figure out how to manage changing beliefs while staying true to themselves and their organizations. In this episode, Jess and Jeff discuss: Accepting how one’s beliefs naturally change throughout life Discerning God’s will amidst layers of institutional values and perspectives Finding the balance between servant leadership and personal boundaries If you liked this episode, check out these resources: “: A New Way of Thinking About Human Interactions” by Roberta Gilbert “: How to Bring your Best to All of Your Relationships” by Jenny Brown To learn more about Jeff Munroe’s work, visit and check out his new book “.” You can purchase a copy on ! If you're interested in learning more about , visit our website colossianforum.org and follow us on social media .
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The Art of Slowing Down
03/18/2025
The Art of Slowing Down
In a world that relentlessly pushes leaders to do more and move faster, the act of slowing down feels like a luxury we can’t afford. But in this episode, we explore why it’s not only necessary — it's essential to our spiritual and emotional flourishing. Rev. Dr. Tanner Smith and Pastor Chase Rashad Stancle share practical ways to rest, reflect, and connect more deeply with God. They offer simple ideas like setting boundaries, taking time for a Sabbath, and learning how to pause. These small changes can help us deal with the busy world without getting overwhelmed.Through personal stories and spiritual wisdom, this conversation will challenge you to rethink how you approach your time, your relationships, and your own well-being. In this episode, Tanner and Chase discuss: Setting boundaries for healthier relationships and personal growth The power of pausing and how it helps you focus on what really matters How resting can build trust with the people you lead and care about If you liked this episode, check out these resources: “” with Aundi Kolber “” by Dan Allender “: From Sabbath to Sabbatical and Back Again” by Ruth Haley Barton If you're interested in learning more about The Colossian Forum, visit our website and follow us on social media .
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Pastor Kim DeLong: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
02/07/2025
Pastor Kim DeLong: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
In this episode of The Practicing Hope Podcast, Pastor Kim DeLong joins host Jenny Steele to dive into her transformative experience with the Leap of Faith movie. Through her work with the Colossian Forum, Kim learned to see conflict not as something to fear, but as a powerful tool for deeper understanding. Kim also shares the incredible story of her church’s journey through financial hardship, ultimately selling their building to an organization serving homeless families. The experience reshaped her view of what it means to be the church and highlighted the importance of reaching beyond the walls to truly serve the community. Kim and Jenny discuss: The power of "directness" in both words and actions Balancing denominational loyalty with broader church collaboration Conflict as a pathway to deeper connection with others Don’t miss Kim’s inspiring journey and the lessons she’s learned about conflict, community, and faith. Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our .
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Pastor James Stokes: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
01/24/2025
Pastor James Stokes: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
What does true leadership in a polarized world look like? In this episode of the Practicing Hope podcast, Jenny Steele sits down with Pastor James Stokes whose influence in Grand Rapids, Michigan spans from the pulpit to community activism. Listen in as Pastor Stokes reveals how his experiences, from navigating societal and institutional shifts to participating in groundbreaking projects like the Leap of Faith movie, have reshaped his approach to ministry and community engagement. Dr. Stokes discusses how his interactions with the other pastors in the movie challenged and expanded his views, fostering a deeper understanding of what it means to engage with people beyond their labels and identities. In this episode, James and Jenny discuss: The power of relationships across cultural and theological divides The role of faith in addressing polarization and conflict The value of listening more than speaking, especially when who you’re talking to is vulnerable and in need of support Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our . To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's .
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Pastor Andrew Vanover: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
01/07/2025
Pastor Andrew Vanover: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
In this episode on the Practicing Hope Podcast, Jenny Steele sits down with Pastor Andrew Vanover, a participant in the Leap of Faith movie. As the pastor of Thornapple Covenant Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan, Andrew shares a powerful and honest look into his journey through the challenges of leading during a global pandemic, navigating church polarization, and enduring significant staff changes. Along with his pastoral experience, Andrew shares about being part of Leap of Faith. Through this process, Andrew discovered that real transformation often happens in the small, quiet spaces, and that being faithful in those moments is just as significant as anything "grand." In this episode, Andrew and Jenny discuss: How churches, especially in small communities, can be profoundly impacted by the pressures of modern ministry How God can unite people with differing views How God's kingdom often works through small, ordinary acts of kindness and reconciliation Listeners will hear about Andrew’s personal growth through his sabbatical, the real-world challenges pastors face in today’s divided climate, and the unexpected ways God works when leaders are open to vulnerability, rest, and collaboration. Andrew's reflections are both encouraging and thought-provoking for anyone in ministry, leadership, or simply seeking hope in times of hardship. Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our .
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Pastors Anonymous: How do we worship?
12/09/2024
Pastors Anonymous: How do we worship?
What do you do when the way you worship becomes a point of division? In this episode of Pastors Anonymous, hosts Jenny Steele and Jess Shults tackle two key challenges church leaders face: managing tensions around church renovations and creating inclusive worship experiences. They offer practical insights for leaders on balancing tradition and change in ways that respect sacred spaces and diverse congregations. In this episode, Jenny and Jess discuss: The emotional complexity of remodeling worship spaces and the importance of navigating church renovation changes with empathy How physical spaces shape our spiritual lives The challenges of blending different worship styles, addressing cultural misunderstandings, and overcoming language barriers This episode is a thoughtful exploration of how church leaders can navigate conflict, foster inclusivity, and honor both the past and the future in their worship practices. Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our .
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Rev. Tierra Marshall: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
11/22/2024
Rev. Tierra Marshall: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
In this episode of Leap of Faith Movie Conversations, Rev. Tierra Marshall and Jenny Steele talk about the central role of friendship in Tierra’s life, both inside and outside the church, and how it informs her pastoral leadership. She explains how themes of vulnerability and genuine care played out during the filming process of Leap of Faith and recounts her memorable discussions with fellow pastors like Molly and Ashlee, and why storytelling became such a powerful tool in building connection among the group. Tierra candidly addresses the complexities of being portrayed in the film, including her mixed feelings about how her character was represented. Despite feeling flattened at times, Tierra highlights the powerful moments of connection, conversation, and growth that emerged throughout the process. In this episode, Tierra and Jenny discuss: How shared meals and informal conversations can become a place of connection, healing, and trust-building The importance of humility and courage in pastoral leadership, especially when addressing difficult cultural issues How true friendship doesn't aim to change the other person but to help them become their most authentic self Tune in as Tierra opens up about the importance of friendship and gives us a glimpse into her personal life, including her love for hiking as a spiritual practice and a source of hope, and her upcoming adventures in places like Mount Kilimanjaro and Mount Rainier. Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our .
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Pastor Troy Hatfield: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
11/15/2024
Pastor Troy Hatfield: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
In a culture that demands certainty—especially in the public sphere of social media and ministry—Pastor Troy Hatfiled talks with Ashlee Eiland in today’s episode of Leap of Faith Movie Conversations about the relief that comes with acknowledging one’s limitations. Troy and Ashlee discuss the vulnerability it takes to admit "I don’t know" and why spaces for honest, open dialogue are so vital, both in the church and in our personal relationships. Troy shares a vulnerable moment from the filming of the LEAP OF FAITH movie that led to a significant breakthrough in his own journey toward authenticity. He reflects on how the simple act of admitting uncertainty in the presence of others can foster connection, trust, and deeper spiritual growth. In this episode, Troy and Ashlee discuss: The practice of “going toward” others in moments of tension or disagreement The cultural pressure to have strong opinions and convictions about everything The shared responsibility of the community in bearing witness to one another’s stories and struggles This episode isn’t just for pastors or ministry leaders—it’s for anyone who’s longing for practical wisdom on how to lead with grace, how to embrace the messy, difficult parts of life and leadership, and how to create spaces where honesty can flourish.
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Pastor Cornelius Ting: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
11/06/2024
Pastor Cornelius Ting: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
In this episode, Jenny Steele sits down with Pastor Cornelius Ting who has served as the pastor of Grand Rapids Chinese Christian Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan for nearly two decades. Cornelius shares his journey from growing up in multicultural Malaysia to becoming a key participant in the movie LEAP OF FAITH. Cornelius opens up about his own struggles with insecurity and isolation in his pastoral role and how moments of shared worship, devotion, and even bread-making at the LEAP OF FAITH filming retreats deepened his sense of connection with others. He also reflects on the broader implications for the church in fostering authentic relationships and being a place where people can bring their weaknesses and still feel loved. Listen in as Cornelius reflects on the hardest and most beautiful moments from the retreats, shares the wisdom he’s gained from living and leading across difference, and offers a profound lesson on how the church can be a place of belonging for all. In this episode, Cornelius and Jenny discuss: The tension of wanting to meet others' needs while having few people to lean on in return The impact of small, shared moments of devotional time, singing, and meals in forming deep spiritual and personal connections How the church can better step into the gaps of isolation and loneliness in the broader community Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our . To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's , leapoffaithmovie.com.
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Pastor Artie Lindsay: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
10/31/2024
Pastor Artie Lindsay: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
In an age where polarization runs deep, how can churches create spaces of genuine dialogue? In this episode of the Practicing Hope Podcast, host Ashlee Eiland speaks with Pastor Artie Lindsay, one of the pastors in LEAP OF FAITH, about the profound theme of authenticity within pastoral leadership. They discuss the importance of not just knowing theology but genuinely understanding the heart of God. As they reflect on their experiences during the filming of LEAP OF FAITH, Artie expresses hope for the church to rewrite its narrative, demonstrating a third way that embodies the love and grace of the kingdom. Artie shares a moving example of his growing friendship with fellow pastor Molly, another pastor in the movie, illustrating how moving towards others, despite differences, can foster trust and connection. They conclude with a heartfelt discussion on the friendships that inspire hope in their ministries and the broader community. In this episode, Ashlee and Artie discuss: The importance of understanding the heart of God, not just the letter of the law The detrimental effects of isolation in pastoral roles and among congregations Engagement of churches in social issues, such as economic mobility and community development Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our . To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's , leapoffaithmovie.com.
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Pastors Anonymous: What is Church?
10/24/2024
Pastors Anonymous: What is Church?
In this episode of Pastors Anonymous, hosts Jenny Steele and Rev. Jess Shults explore the evolving understanding of what it means to be the Church. Inspired by a listener’s question—“Can church occur in a dog park or a tattoo parlor?”—they discuss the mental models that shape our perceptions of community and faith, challenging the notion that Church is confined to a physical building. This episode is for anyone feeling weary in their journey or seeking to revitalize their connection to faith and fellowship. If you have questions or scenarios you'd like addressed, send an email to podcast@colossianforum.org. In this episode, Jenny and Jess discuss: How the early Church was characterized by shared experiences and practices rather than specific locations The idea of a “bigger imagination” is essential for recognizing where God is at work outside traditional settings The importance of affirming unity in Christ during corporate prayers about divisive issues Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our .
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Ashlee Eiland: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
10/14/2024
Ashlee Eiland: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
Ever wondered why we crave authenticity in our relationships? Join Ashlee Eiland and Jenny Steele in Leap of Faith Movie Conversations as they discuss the connection between our spiritual design and our longing for open, honest dialogues, all while confronting the challenges that come with embracing our true selves. Listeners will hear about Ashlee's role in LEAP OF FAITH, some of her recent life changes, including her transition from pastoral ministry to leading a school, and how her experiences have shaped her approach to conflict resolution. The episode candidly explores the evolution of Ashlee’s understanding of leadership—from navigating hierarchical church structures to fostering collaborative environments—highlighting the importance of being a non-anxious presence in tense situations. Whether you’ve seen the film or are simply seeking encouragement in your own life, this episode offers a rich tapestry of stories and wisdom aimed at rekindling hope in the face of adversity. Join Jenny and Ashlee as they invite you to embrace vulnerability, community, and the transformative power of faith. In this episode, Ashlee and Jenny discuss: The importance of addressing conflict in various environments, including churches and schools How maintaining a non-anxious presence during conflicts helps facilitate constructive conversations Why being surrounded by a caring community during great loss and health challenges in life supported Ashlee’s healing and grieving Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our . To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's , leapoffaithmovie.com.
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Ben Kampmeier: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
10/09/2024
Ben Kampmeier: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
In this episode of Leap of Faith Movie Conversations, Ashlee Eiland welcomes her friend Ben Kampmeier, a seasoned minister with a rich background in various church roles. From his beginnings as the "youth group guitar kid" to his current role as Director of Engagement at Our Daily Bread Ministries, Ben shares the journey that has shaped his faith and ministry. As they explore Ben’s unexpected involvement in LEAP OF FAITH, he emphasizes the importance of vulnerability and authenticity, sharing how deep friendships formed across differences became a powerful witness to the world. He discusses the concept of “rupture and repair,” illustrating how meaningful connections require both honesty and the willingness to apologize and grow together. Now navigating life as a parishioner after years in leadership, Ben reveals the hope he finds in community. He discusses how being part of a small church has reshaped his understanding of authenticity and the profound impact of genuine human connection on his faith journey. In this episode, Ben and Ashlee discuss: The role of creativity in Ben's early ministry and how it shaped his calling as a worship leader The balance between honesty and authenticity in ministry, and the need for boundaries in relationships The struggle with ministry burnout and how it influenced Ben's view on his vocation Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our . To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's , leapoffaithmovie.com.
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Rev. Michael Gulker: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations (Part 2)
10/08/2024
Rev. Michael Gulker: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations (Part 2)
What if the key to healing a polarized world lies in the ancient wisdom of faith? In this episode on The Practicing Hope Podcast, host Jenny Steele speaks with Michael Gulker, the president of the Colossian Forum, to continue the conversation about the new movie LEAP OF FAITH. Jenny and Michael delve into the origins of the groundbreaking film project that arose from the heart of Grand Rapids, sparked by filmmaker Nicholas, who sought to document the journey of pastors grappling with deep-seated exhaustion and isolation. They reflect on the challenges these leaders faced in a world rife with division and how, through vulnerability and shared stories, they found a renewed sense of connection. Listeners will hear about the hurdles faced by pastors, who, although eager for connection and healing, often felt exhausted and stretched thin. Michael highlights how, through this process, they discovered a surprising depth of loneliness among these leaders and the transformative power of community. In this episode, Michael and Jenny discuss: Michael’s unique journey from aspiring engineer to ordained pastor and how that background has impacted his understanding of conflict in the church The importance of engaging conflict as an act of worship and a spiritual discipline, rather than merely a source of division The evolution of The Colossian Forum, highlighting its transition from hosting forums to creating curricula and offering coaching designed to guide individuals through difficult discussions on topics like faith and science Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our . To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's , leapoffaithmovie.com.
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The Rev. Molly Bosscher: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
10/03/2024
The Rev. Molly Bosscher: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
As part of our series exploring the LEAP OF FAITH documentary, podcast host Jenny Steele and the Rev. Molly Bosscher (St. Andrew’s Episcopal Church in Grand Rapids, MI) discuss Molly’s unique journey throughout the filming of LEAP OF FAITH, the active nature of hope, and what it looks like for her parish to be a safe haven for all who enter. With heartwarming anecdotes about her congregation's compassionate outreach, Molly paints a vivid picture of a church where everyone is embraced for their true selves. Molly opens up about how her differences, specifically her liberal theological beliefs and value of silence in worship, made it a beautiful, holy challenge to be vulnerable with the eleven other pastors in LEAP OF FAITH. Together, Jenny and Molly explore the fumbling that often accompanies growth in community, ultimately emphasizing that the journey of connection is an ongoing process of learning and understanding. In this episode, Jenny and Molly discuss: The importance of incorporating space and silence into intense conversations The need to create space for diverse perspectives within faith communities to build a more inclusive environment How open communication about discomfort and challenges fosters deeper connections and growth among communities Join them as they explore the delicate dance of fostering inclusive communities, emphasizing that while the path may be messy, it’s through these shared experiences that genuine bonds are formed. Tune in for a heartfelt discussion that challenges us all to embrace our differences and learn from one another. Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our . To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's leapoffaithmovie.com
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Pastor Chase Stancle: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
09/27/2024
Pastor Chase Stancle: Leap of Faith Movie Conversations
In this episode of Leap of Faith Movie Conversations, Jenny Steele talks with Pastor Chase Stancle, the pastor of Unison Christian Church in Grand Rapids, MI, about his experience being featured in the LEAP OF FAITH movie, the challenges of seeking communal healing in a midwestern culture of conflict avoidance, and how unity, understood as a divine command, not a nicety, can change the world’s perception of the church. As the discussion progresses, Pastor Stancle delves into his church’s intentional embrace of multiculturalism and fostering an environment of honest dialogue and conflict navigation. Join us as we discuss the importance of addressing "elephants in the room," the transformative power of candid communication, and how conflict can lead to deeper intimacy with God and each other. Whether you're involved in church leadership or seeking to strengthen your community ties, this episode offers valuable insights and practical wisdom for nurturing authentic relationships in a polarized world. In this episode, Jenny and Chase discuss: The cultural tendency to prioritize task-oriented approaches over genuine relationships among church leaders The challenges posed by social media in reducing people to one-dimensional figures, which undermines the complexity of human relationships A call for curiosity in relationships, urging individuals to explore and understand the many dimensions of each other instead of simplifying their identities Follow on or –@colossianforum. If you’d like to receive a simple prayer, a hopeful practice, and encouragement for exhausted leaders from us, sign up for our . To learn more about the twelve Leap of Faith pastors, visit the movie's leapoffaithmovie.com
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