Business for Good Podcast

Join host Paul Shapiro as he talks with some of the leading start-up entrepreneurs and titans of industry alike using their businesses to help solve the world’s most pressing problems.

Ready for a Carpet Made of Human Hair? This Entrepreneur Turns Salon Waste into Textiles 11/15/2025

Ready for a Carpet Made of Human Hair? This Entrepreneur Turns Salon Waste into Textiles What if one solution to fashion’s waste problem is literally growing on our own heads? Every day, salons around the world toss out millions of pounds of freshly cut human hair — a clean, protein-rich, renewable resource that mostly ends up in landfills or incinerators. But what if that so-called waste could become the next sustainable textile? My guest on this episode, Zsofia Kollar, is the founder and CEO of , a Netherlands-based startup turning salon hair waste into a high-performance fibre that behaves like wool — but with 43 times lower CO₂ emissions, 20 times less water use, and none of the animal cruelty or plastics. Their branded fiber, called , is already being spun into things like carpets, curtains, and acoustic panels — and it’s made from something we all grow ourselves. In this conversation, Zsofia and I talk about how she got the idea to build an entire materials company out of human hair, how her technology works, why hair is such a strong and versatile material, the “ick” factor of human-derived fibres, and how she’s scaling her model so that salons and HML benefit alike. If you think using human hair in textiles sounds strange, stick around — because by the end of this episode, you might just want a carpet made from your own cut-offs. I’ll let Zsofia make the case. Discussed in this episode of Human Material Loop’s work. and have covered their work, too. Zoroastrians sometimes practice sky burial on a , in which vultures are allowed to consume a recently deceased human. Our on human composting with Recompose. Get to Know Zsofia Kollar Zsofia Kollar is a forward-thinking entrepreneur passionate about sustainable innovation. Science and design are crucial in the company’s development. After her experience running an independent design studio, Zsofia was driven to reimagine waste management, focusing particularly on hair waste. Her goal is to foster collaboration and innovation for a more sustainable future. Human Material Loop demonstrates that sustainability and economic growth can coexist. Zsofia’s dedication extends beyond her CEO role—she’s also a published author and university lecturer, inspiring others in design and sustainability. Her vision entails holistic sustainability, where science, design, and collaboration reshape waste management and drive innovation. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/39043155

From Fashion Model to Fission Mission: Isabelle Boemeke’s Nuclear-Powered Future 11/01/2025

From Fashion Model to Fission Mission: Isabelle Boemeke’s Nuclear-Powered Future When you hear the word nuclear, does your mind flash to mushroom clouds, Chernobyl, or maybe the glowing three-eyed fish from The Simpsons? Well, what if nuclear electricity — far from being an environmental villain — is actually one of the safest, cleanest, and most land-efficient energy sources we have? It turns out that former fashion model Isabelle Boemeke is on a mission to change how we think about nuclear energy. When she and I met a few years ago, in Italy of all places, she was known by many simply as , her online persona that blends fashion, futurism, and fission to make nuclear cool again. And now, in her new book , Isabelle argues that nuclear power isn’t just misunderstood — it’s essential to solving climate change, land preservation, and numerous other important concerns. In our conversation, Isabelle details: Why fear of nuclear power stems more from cultural trauma than from science, Why nuclear electricity is safer and environmentally-friendlier than not just fossil fuels, but also solar and wind, What’s fact vs. fiction when it comes to the world’s biggest energy disasters, And why, despite all the excitement about fusion and modular reactors, maybe the smartest thing we can do right now is simply pick a proven fission design — and start building them fast. I always love when it turns out that the thing we thought was the villain is actually a hero, or at least better than what we thought. If you do too, this is the episode for you, as this episode may challenge your assumptions about what’s truly “green” and is actually safe. Discussed in this episode The and that decimated massive amounts of wildlife habitat helped inspire Isabelle to focus on environmental concerns such as climate change. The killed hundreds of thousands of people. Isabelle recommends checking out and the . Commonwealth Fusion $863 million. The US military is in small, mobile nuclear reactors. Paul recently read a sci-fi book about nuclear-powered wildlife called . Get to Know Isabelle Boemeke With her signature mix of humor, sharp research, and optimistic vision, her debut book, Rad Future, makes the case for nuclear electricity as one of the best tools to solve the climate crisis. Boemeke is also known as Isodope, the irreverent digital persona on a mission to make nuclear cool. She is the Founder and Executive Director of Save Clean Energy and board member of Nature is Nonpartisan and Nuclear Scaling Initiative, where she works at the intersection of policy, culture, and technology to accelerate pragmatic solutions. She delivered a TED Talk that has been viewed nearly 2 million times, led a grassroots campaign that helped delay the closure of California’s Diablo Canyon Power Plant, and is a TIME Magazine “Next Generation Leader.” /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38872010

Fungi-Filled Diapers: How Plastic-Eating Fungi May Change Child-Rearing 10/15/2025

Fungi-Filled Diapers: How Plastic-Eating Fungi May Change Child-Rearing If you’ve ever changed a diaper, you might’ve wondered what happens to it after it goes in the trash. The answer, unfortunately, is that it’ll sit in a landfill for hundreds of years—certainly longer than the baby who briefly wore it will live. In fact, every diaper you wore when you were a baby is still sitting around, at best in a landfill, or perhaps even in the ocean. And did you know the average American baby goes through 6,000 diapers before learning to use a toilet? But what if fungi could change that? In this episode, I sit down with serial entrepreneur Miki Agrawal, the founder of (yes, the period underwear company), (yes, the bidet company), and now —a company using plastic-eating fungi to help disposable diapers return to the earth. Miki, who some have dubbed the “Queen of pee, poop, and periods,” (I think they should shorten it to the “Queen of Secretions”) shares how an opportune moment with her toddler and a children’s book about fungi inspired her to launch HIRO. Her company’s first product——uses a packet of dormant, culinary-grade fungi that awaken when exposed to moisture and begin breaking down the diaper’s plastic components, dramatically reducing its landfill lifespan from centuries to under a year, after which it simply becomes dirt. We talk about everything from the science of fungal degradation to the challenges of biotech entrepreneurship, from raising millions for an unconventional idea to why she believes reconnecting with nature is the ultimate form of innovation. Whether you’re a parent, a sustainability enthusiast, or just fascinated by the intersection of biology and business, this conversation will make you rethink what “waste” really means. Discussed in this episode It was the children’s book that implanted the idea in Miki’s mind about plastic-eating fungi. You can buy HIRO Diapers . You can see HIRO’s original kickstarter, including video pitch, . Miki recommends checking out the for ideas of companies to create. HIRO’s launch and technology. Miki also started (period underwear) and (bidets). More about Miki Agrawal is the creative force behind acclaimed social enterprises TUSHY (the modern bidet brand), THINX (period-proof underwear), and WILD (NYC’s first gluten-free pizza concept), collectively valued at over $250 million. Miki is the author of best-selling books "DO COOL SH*T" and "DISRUPT-HER”. Her latest company HIRO is a revolutionary nature-based start-up harnessing ancient technology - fungi - to help solve the global plastic crisis. Their first product is a baby diaper that returns to the earth with the help of friendly fungi. (They chose diapers to launch with because they’re the #1 household plastic waste item that takes 400+ years to decompose in a landfill - and each baby uses ~6,000 diapers in their lifetime. Wild, right?) HIRO Diapers starts returning to the earth with the help of fungi - and they’re soft, safe, high-performing and ready to change the game. Recognized as one of Fast Company's "Most Creative People," a "Young Global Leader" by the World Economic Forum, and named one of INC's "Most Impressive Women Entrepreneurs," Miki brings a wealth of experience and expertise to the stage as a keynote speaker. Her authentic talks have been validated by audiences at MindValley, EO, and Capitalism.com, who have voted for her as the #1 best speaker among hundreds of speakers. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38591085

Raising Capital for Alt-Protein in the Midst of the Winter 10/01/2025

Raising Capital for Alt-Protein in the Midst of the Winter Recently had me as a guest on his show, the to talk about ’s . When it came out, more than one Business for Good listener heard it and told me they thought it would make a good episode to release to our audience too, so this episode is simply the conversation Alex and I had for his podcast. If you’ve been following the alternative protein sector (and the broader biotech sector), you’ve likely seen the wave of challenges that fermentation, cultivated, and plant-based startups have faced over the past few years. As recent reporting confirms, ag and food tech investment is at a decade-long low. One active food tech VC even that foodtech investing is “maybe as bad as it’s ever been.” Some days, building a startup in our sector can feel like being a player in Squid Game—with about the same odds of survival. While layoffs, bankruptcies, shutdowns, and cash-free acquisitions have been rampant in our sector lately, BMC has never conducted layoffs. Instead we’ve always been very frugal, and we tightened our belt even further in the past year, all while continuing to make important progress toward our aspirations of slashing humanity’s footprint on the planet. This has been true in the midst of the we endured, the collapse of our bank and subsequent (temporary) , the painfully wintry investment climate for alt-protein, and other seemingly innumerable challenges. Our ethic of frugality will certainly continue in this new era of scaleup for our company. This financing is hardly the end of our story. Receiving investor dollars isn’t our goal; it’s solely a means to the end of building a profitable business that will help put a dent in the number of animals raised for food. Raising a round is akin to having someone provide the clothes, tents, and food you’ll need to climb Everest…but you still need to actually go climb the mountain—hardly a guaranteed outcome. I’ve often said these days that we’ve shifted from what felt like a Sispyphean feat of fundraising to now merely a Herculean feat of scaling. Nearly all startups fail. The vast majority never see their seventh birthday, which BMC recently celebrated. Our company is still far from successful, but we now have a real chance to birth into the world a novel crop that can help feed humanity without frying the planet. We will judiciously use these new funds to work hard to finally let the Rhiza River flow. Alex and I discuss the story of how this funding round came about, and where we may be going from here. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38418030

Bottling the Sky: Aircapture’s Carbon Capture Breakthrough 09/15/2025

Bottling the Sky: Aircapture’s Carbon Capture Breakthrough When you think about climate change solutions, your mind might go to renewable energy, electric vehicles, or eating less meat. These are all of course important. But even if we stopped all emissions today, we’d still have too much CO2 in the atmosphere and would need to pull a lot of our emissions out of it. That’s the bold mission of , a California-based company pioneering modular direct air capture technology. On this episode, I speak with , Aircapture’s founder and CEO, about how his company is not only working to reduce atmospheric CO₂, but also profitably supplying it to industries that rely on the gas today—like beverage makers, greenhouses, and more. Instead of relying on fossil fuel byproducts or ethanol fermentation for their CO₂, companies can now get a cleaner, more reliable, and often cheaper supply directly from the air. Matt explains how Aircapture’s approach differs from traditional large-scale carbon capture projects by focusing on on-site, modular units that can be shipped in a container and installed within weeks. These systems already commercially operate in the U.S., Europe, the Middle East, and Asia, giving customers local CO₂ while shrinking supply chain emissions. We dig into the economics of direct air capture, the climate math of whether it truly reduces atmospheric carbon, and the criticisms that it could provide a “moral license” to keep burning fossil fuels. Matt also shares how Aircapture recently raised a —during a tough climate tech funding market—and what gives investors confidence that their model will scale where others have stumbled. If you’ve ever wondered whether pulling CO₂ out of thin air is realistic—or just hype—this conversation will give you a fascinating inside look. Discussed in this episode Our with Make Sunsets about sulfur dioxide injections into the atmosphere. We’ve done other episodes on geoengineering, for example on olivine spreading ( and ), sulfur dioxide injections (), direct carbon capture (). Al Gore’s about direct air capture. Matt recommends reading . Paul recommends Dan Carlin’s . Matt reflects on his earlier work with and why he thinks wastewater treatment improvements are so important. Paul suggests tackling wastewater treatment with Neurospora species, as discussed , , , and elsewhere. Get to Know Matt Atwood Matt is a technologist, chemist, entrepreneur and pioneer in the DAC space. He has over 20 years experience in renewable and climate technology development and over a decade of experience with DAC and CO2 utilization technologies. Matt developed the world's first energy-positive wastewater treatment platform as Founder & CEO of Algae Systems. He has built and commercialized technologies in CO2, water, AgTech, waste treatment, and biofuels. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38215820

Inside Mighty Earth: Glenn Hurowitz on Transforming the Meat Industry 09/01/2025

Inside Mighty Earth: Glenn Hurowitz on Transforming the Meat Industry What if the biggest environmental culprits were hiding in plain sight—right on our dinner plates? While most environmental organizations train their sights on the energy sector, Mighty Earth has taken a bold, and often lonely, stand in confronting the meat industry’s massive role in climate change, deforestation, and biodiversity loss. In this episode, I sit down with Glenn Hurowitz, founder and CEO of , to unpack why the meat industry typically gets ignored by the environmental movement, and what he thinks needs to be done. Glenn has spent decades fighting for the planet, from working on federal public policy in Congress to launching that aim to guide the world’s largest food companies toward more sustainable practices. In our conversation, he explains why mainstream NGOs often shy away from challenging the meat industry, and how Mighty Earth’s strategy—focusing on supply chains, corporate accountability, and the expansion of animal-free proteins—aims to fill that void. We also dive into Mighty Earth’s campaign to help supermarkets treat plant-based proteins not as niche novelties, but as core offerings. Glenn shares how enhanced meat products (think burgers that are part beef, part mycelium) can be a bigger environmental win than pure plant-based options alone, and why shifting market incentives—not just consumer behavior—is key to making real progress. If you care about climate action, animal welfare, or food innovation, this episode may challenge you to think bigger—and act smarter—about what it really takes to feed humanity sustainably. Discussed in this episode Glenn and Paul recommend the good work of . Our with author Mike Grunwald. Quorn mycoprotein patties at near price parity with chicken. Glenn references the Sierra Club’s . Mighty Earth’s to guide supermarkets to do better on meat. Paul mentions that , largely due to meat demand JBS’s in Spanish cultivated meat production. Glenn’s 2007 book, . Glenn and Paul both recommend reading . The on nature finance Get to Know Glenn Hurowitz Glenn Hurowitz is the Founder and CEO of Mighty Earth, and has led environmental campaigns around the world for many years. He is a globally recognized leader on forests, agriculture, and climate change, and running strategic campaigns. He has played a leading role in transforming several industries, including the 90% reduction in deforestation for palm oil, establishment of new policies and practices for the entire rubber industry, and serious action in meat, steel, and elsewhere. In his previous role as Chair of the Forest Heroes campaign, he and his colleagues won the Benny Award from the Business Ethics Network for their successes in transforming global agriculture. He co-founded Chain Reaction Research, which provides major financial institutions with in-depth risk analysis of companies’ sustainability risk. Glenn advises philanthropies, governments and non-profit organizations on strategy. Glenn has also worked extensively in politics. He is the author of the critically-acclaimed book Fear and Courage in the Democratic Party, and his writing has appeared in The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Nation, Politico, The American Prospect. He’s appeared on many national media outlets, including CNN, MSNBC, FOX, CBS, and NPR. He is a graduate of the Green Corps fellowship and Yale University, worked previously as Managing Director of Waxman Strategies, among other senior roles in the environmental movement. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38024395

Turning Waste into Bioplastic Gold with Genecis CEO Luna Yu 08/15/2025

Turning Waste into Bioplastic Gold with Genecis CEO Luna Yu It’s rare that we contemplate where all the plastic we throw out goes, but rest assured that nearly none of it is being recycled. Simply put, it’s usually cheaper to make new plastic than to recycle old plastic, even the plastic you put in the recycling bin. Because it takes plastic centuries to break down, this means for each one of us you could build a mountain of plastic from all the packaging we use over the course of our lives. But what if plastic didn’t have to take centuries to break down, and could actually biodegrade in a matter of days or weeks? That’s exactly the vision Luna Yu is bringing to life as founder and CEO of , a biotech company using fermentation to transform food waste into high-performance, truly compostable bioplastics. In this episode, Luna joins us—at 1 a.m. her time from a manufacturing run in China—to share the story behind Genecis, from her early days as a teenage entrepreneur in Canada to raising $17 million for her startup in the climate tech world. Luna walks us through how Genecis engineers microbes to turn low-cost industrial waste streams like glycerol into PHA, a biodegradable plastic alternative that’s already being used in consumer products like . We discuss why Genecis is taking a direct-to-consumer approach, how they’re preparing to launch in Sprouts nationwide, and what it will take to make sustainable plastics cost-competitive with petroleum-based ones. We also dive into Luna’s big bets on the future—including cell-free biology, the promise of enzyme-only production systems, and her vision for a world where the most convenient option is also the most sustainable. If you’re curious about the intersection of synthetic biology, circular economy, and product design—or you just want to hear from someone reshaping the future of plastic—this episode is for you. Discussed in this episode You can learn more about Genecis' technology by reading their patents and patent applications . Luna is very inspired by . Genecis is backed and is a graduate of the accelerator. CJ Biomaterials PHA via fermentation. Plastic has only been around since the 1950s but we believe it lasts for centuries. How do we know? Researchers simulate environmental exposure in labs by increasing UV radiation, temperature, moisture, and mechanical stress to accelerate plastic breakdown. They analyze how the polymer chains degrade and extrapolate those results to estimate natural-world decay timelines. Get to Know Luna Yu Luna Yu is the CEO of Genecis Bioindustries. She completed her Bachelors and Masters in Environmental Science at the age of 21 at the University of Toronto. During her Undergrad, Luna co-founded, grew and exited from two profitable software startups. The exciting advancements in fields of synthetic biology, bioinformatics, and machine learning led her to infuse her passion and experience together. This created Genecis, where biotechnology enables the conversion of food waste into high value materials. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/37834165

Turning Plants into Plastic-Free Packaging: The Xampla Story 08/01/2025

Microbial Might: Can MicroHarvest Replace Animals in Pet and Livestock Feed? 07/15/2025

There’s no Eighth Continent to Farm: Mike Grunwald on Feeding Ourselves without Frying the Planet 07/01/2025

Trash into Treasure: ChainCraft Is Converting Food Waste into Sustainable Chemicals 06/15/2025

Unstoppable Entrepreneurs: Lori Rosenkopf on the Many Paths to Startup Success 06/01/2025

Unstoppable Entrepreneurs: Lori Rosenkopf on the Many Paths to Startup Success This episode’s guest is someone who’s spent her career studying—and championing—entrepreneurs who don’t always fit the Silicon Valley mold. Dr. Lori Rosenkopf is the Vice Dean of Entrepreneurship at the Wharton School and the author of the new book . In this short guide, Lori explores how success doesn’t have to mean dropping out of college to start a venture-backed unicorn in your garage. Instead, she highlights seven distinct paths that entrepreneurs can take to build impactful ventures, whether they’re bootstrapped, mission-driven, or even working within larger companies. Drawing on her years of research and mentoring at one of the world’s top business schools, Lori introduces what she calls the “Six Rs” of entrepreneurial mindset—Reason, Relationships, Resilience, Resources, Results, and Recombination—as core principles that help explain why some founders succeed where others falter. In this conversation, we talk about the entrepreneurs Lori profiled in her book—from disruptors and acquirers to accidental founders—and what their stories can teach us about resilience and innovation. If you’ve ever thought “I’m not the typical entrepreneur,” perhaps Lori will convince you that maybe there’s no such thing. Discussed in this episode Lori discusses the work of and its CEO . Paul recommends reading and . Wharton offers curriculum in Entrepreneurship & Innovation for both and . The is Penn’s home for student entrepreneurs. Some entrepreneurs rely on rather than equity investments. The is a global competition that challenges university students to develop innovative social enterprises that address pressing global issues. Get to know Lori Rosenkopf Lori Rosenkopf is the Simon and Midge Palley Professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. As Vice Dean for Entrepreneurship, she serves as Wharton’s faculty director for Venture Lab, Penn’s home for student entrepreneurs, and also their San Francisco campus. In a prior role as Vice Dean of Wharton’s Undergraduate Division, she introduced a new curriculum and developed experiential classwork in the tech sector. For over thirty years, Rosenkopf has taught entrepreneurship and management of technology to more than 20,000 high schoolers, undergraduates, MBAs, and executives, connecting these learners to many of the most entrepreneurial alumni at Wharton and Penn through treks, panels, and classes. Rosenkopf received her PhD in Management of Organizations from Columbia University, her MS in Operations Research from Stanford University, and her BS in Operations Research and Industrial Engineering from Cornell University. She worked as a systems engineer at AT&T Bell Laboratories and Eastman Kodak between her degrees. Rosenkopf lives in Philadelphia with her partner, Allan, and their dog, Winston. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/36800410

The Crazy Rock Lady: How Eion is Turning Crushed Rocks into Climate Gold 05/15/2025

The Crazy Rock Lady: How Eion is Turning Crushed Rocks into Climate Gold You’ve heard of carbon capture machines, but what if one of the most powerful tools for removing CO₂ from the atmosphere isn’t high-tech at all—just crushed rock and rain? Meet Ana Pavlovic, CEO of and the self-described “Crazy Rock Lady.” Her company is pioneering a process called enhanced rock weathering, which uses the natural properties of a green volcanic mineral called olivine to pull carbon dioxide out of the air and lock it away—permanently. The best part? They do it on farmland, replacing conventional agricultural lime with olivine. The result is a two-for-one win: healthier soil for farmers and long-term carbon removal for the planet. It’s nature’s chemistry, accelerated—and rigorously measured using Eion’s core technology, what they call a “soil fingerprinting” measurement technique. In this episode, Ana explains how Eion is turning geology into climate cash, why they’re focusing on agriculture instead of oceans, and how they secured a $33 million carbon removal deal from Frontier, the coalition backed by Stripe, Shopify, and Meta. We also talk about farmer adoption, measurement challenges, and why Ana believes carbon removal can be both scientifically credible and scalable. So if you’re interested in the wild new world of carbon markets, the surprising magic of crushed rocks, and what it takes to scale a climate startup from idea to impact, you’ll dig this conversation. Let’s rock. Discussed in this episode The : “Potential for large-scale CO2 removal via enhanced rock weathering with croplands” Eion’s with Frontier and its . Eion’s for a soil fingerprinting verification technique Our on enhanced rock weathering with Kelly Erhart from Vesta. Ana recommends reading . More about Anastasia Pavlovic Anastasia Pavlovic brings deep expertise in global operations and software with a passion for driving global change through local impact. Before joining Eion, Pavlovic led operations, commercialization, and growth for the Agoro Carbon Alliance, which works with farmers to sequester carbon in soil. Prior to the Alliance, Pavlovic commercialized software solutions in the US and Canada for Yara's Digital Farming organization. She has worked for venture-backed software companies scaling agtech and security products around the world. From West Virginia, Pavlovic holds dual B.S. degrees in Electrical Engineering and Systems Engineering. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/36574215

Vedge of Glory: How Two Plant-Based Restaurateurs Have Survived for Decades 05/01/2025

The Venture Capitalist Who Wants You to Donate More to Charity 04/15/2025

The Venture Capitalist Who Wants You to Donate More to Charity Nick Cooney is one of the most prolific investors in food and ag tech. As the founder of , he’s helped deploy nearly $80 million from his first fund and has now toward his second $100 million fund. He’s backed companies across the spectrum of sustainable protein—plant-based meat, cultivated meat, fermentation-derived proteins (including, in full disclosure, my own company, ), and more. But despite his deep roots in venture capital, Nick’s latest project is about something very different: giving money away with no expectation of any financial return. In his new book, , from Simon & Schuster and Regalo Press, Nick challenges the reader with a bold moral argument: it’s not enough to simply avoid doing harm—we have a responsibility to proactively reduce suffering where we can, including suffering we didn’t cause. That includes using our time, our talents, and yes, our money, to help others—especially those we’ll never meet. So how much should we be giving? While philosopher Peter Singer proposes 10% of your income as a moral benchmark, and Jesus went even further, telling his followers to sell everything and give to the poor, Nick stakes out a middle ground somewhere between Singer and Jesus of Nazareth: give until you feel it. Not until it hurts, necessarily—but enough that it makes a noticeable impact on your life. Because that impact could be life-changing—or even life-saving—for someone else. In this episode, Nick and I dive into the ideas behind What We Don’t Do, and why our inactions—what we don’t do—may be among the biggest sources of preventable suffering in the world. We explore the psychology behind why it feels easier to forgive inaction than harmful action, and how we can train ourselves to think differently. We also discuss the current state of the alt-protein industry, Nick's analysis of why venture capital has cooled off on the space in recent years, and what it’ll take to bring investors back to the table. It’s a rich and rewarding conversation with one of the most influential thinkers in the future of food. I found What We Don’t Do to be both thought-provoking and motivating, and I think you’ll feel the same. Whether you're a founder, a funder, or just someone who wants to do a little—or a lot—more good in the world, this episode is for you. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/36140045

No Palm, No Problem: Fermenting the Future of Fat 04/01/2025

No Palm, No Problem: Fermenting the Future of Fat Palm oil is everywhere—from food to cosmetics to biofuels—but its production is a leading cause of deforestation, habitat destruction, and greenhouse gas emissions. What if we could have all the benefits of palm oil without the downsides? Enter , a Dutch biotech startup using fermentation to produce a sustainable alternative to palm oil—without the need for palm trees. Instead of chopping down rainforests, they’re upcycling agricultural waste, feeding it to their specialty yeast, and brewing a fat with the same characteristics as high-end palm oil in the process. The company’s raised €6 million to date and has already done a trial run of its process in a massive 120,000-liter fermenter. In this episode, I’m joined by NoPalm’s CEO, Lars Langhout, to talk about how microbial oils can disrupt a $60 billion industry, whether fermentation is the future of fats, and the challenges of scaling a sustainable solution. Could NoPalm Ingredients make deforestation-free oils the new norm? If they have their way, perhaps so. Discussed in this episode The that inspired Lars to start NoPalm Ingredients. Lars was also inspired by CEO . Lars recommends reading and Our past episodes with (tree-free wood) and (wood-fed meat). Get to know Lars Langhout Lars Langhout is the co-founder and CEO of NoPalm Ingredients, a biotech pioneer company he established in 2021 alongside Prof. Dr. Jeroen Hugenholtz. Leveraging his background in strategy consulting and an MBA (CBS '16), Lars leads the team in developing sustainable, locally produced alternatives to palm oil. Under his leadership, NoPalm Ingredients has achieved significant milestones, including scaling their fermentation process from benchtop experiments to industrial-scale production of 120m3 within three years. This innovative approach transforms agri-food side streams into high-quality, food-grade palm-oil alternatives. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35951415

Turning Air Into Butter: Savor’s Revolutionary Approach to Alternative Fats 03/20/2025

Turning Air Into Butter: Savor’s Revolutionary Approach to Alternative Fats What if the fat in your butter, cheese, or even burger could be made without animals, without plants, without fermentation, and without agriculture at all? That’s exactly what is doing. Using a groundbreaking process that transforms compounds like CO₂ and elements like hydrogen into rich, animal-free fats that can mimic what animal fat does, this California-based startup is rethinking how we produce and consume one of the most essential ingredients in food. In this episode, I sit down with Kathleen Alexander, cofounder and CEO of Savor, to dive into the science behind their innovative fat production, why alternative fats could be the next big breakthrough in food tech, and how their approach could help fight climate change while making all types of foods, including plant-based meats and dairy, taste even better. So far the company has raised more than $30 million in venture capital, including from Bill Gates, and is now gearing up to start selling its new fat in restaurants and bakeries within 2025. Will humanity be able to divorce food production from agriculture? If Savor succeeds, that just might be the case. Discussed in this episode Katheeen co-authored the paper . Savor was incubated by . with Pivot Bio president Lisa Nunez Safarian. Kathleen and Paul both recommend and . Kathleen recommends Long Life, . on Savor’s technology. More about Kathleen Alexander has a strong background in materials science and engineering. She has worked in various roles, including as a CTO and CEO at Savor, a Project Director at Orca Sciences, and a Climate Solutions Consultant at KCA Research, Inc. Kathleen has a proven track record of designing and implementing innovative projects for climate solutions, with a focus on greenhouse gas reduction technologies. She has also conducted extensive research and modeling in the field of materials science, particularly in areas related to electrochemistry and battery performance. Kathleen's academic background includes a PhD in Materials Science & Engineering from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, further showcasing her expertise in the field. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35663820

Cleaner Air from Better Plants: The Neoplants Story 03/01/2025

Cleaner Air from Better Plants: The Neoplants Story We spend about 90 percent of our lives indoors, yet the air inside our homes and offices is often far more polluted than the air outside. Volatile organic compounds—better known as VOCs—are constantly emitted by furniture, cleaning products, and even the very walls around us. Formaldehyde, benzene, toluene—these chemicals sound like something you’d find in an industrial park, but they’re actually in the places where we eat, sleep, and work. Well, what if nature could give us a hand here? What if plants, and even microbes, could be supercharged to clean our air at a level that truly makes a difference? That’s exactly the mission of today’s guest: Patrick Torbey, CEO and co-founder of . His company is using synthetic biology to enhance houseplants and their soil microbes with built-in air purification superpowers. Right now, they are offering microbial powders called to mix with water and sprinkle onto the soil of your own houseplants to super-charge their air purifying capacity. I already mine and am using them now. They also offer , which is their all-in-one plant and microbe duo, including a Marble Queen Pothos. The bottom line is that they claim their technology can make plants up to 30 times more effective at cleaning the air in our homes and offices than the plants we currently have today. Their systems don’t just filter air pollution but actually metabolize it into harmless compounds. In this episode, Patrick and I have a wide-ranging conversation about topics like synthetic biology, science fiction, nature vs. nurture, and of course, how his company’s tech will both make money and make the world a better place. Already the company has raised more than $20 million in venture capital, with more still yet to come. So, if you’ve ever wondered how science, business, and sustainability can come together to solve a problem hiding in plain sight—or in this case, plain smell—you won’t want to miss this conversation. Discussed in this episode You can order Neoplants’ microbes for your houseplants’ soil . Our past podcast episodes with (nitrogen-enhancing microbes) and (rapid-growth trees). Patrick discussed how reading changed his life. There was also a 1980 TV Series by Sagan called and an in 2014 by Neil deGrasse Tyson. Patrick discusses how outside cities to improve air quality. Patrick recommends reading science fiction, leading Paul to recommend a book he recently read, by Arthur C. Clarke. More about Patrick Torbey Patrick Torbey is the co-founder and CEO of Neoplants, a Paris-based synthetic biology startup, engineering plants’ genomes and microbiomes to have a positive impact on the air we breathe. Patrick has a PhD in genetic editing from ENS Paris, his expertise spans molecular biology, biotechnology, and entrepreneurship. He drove Neoplants R&D efforts for many years as CTO, and is now leading the company. Patrick is passionate about taking the “fi” out of “sci-fi.” He is fascinated by the potential of deep technologies to change the world for the better, and convinced that we need more and better GMOs to face the challenges of today in a sustainable way. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35489020

Helping Alt-Protein Startups Survive the Winter: Ahimsa’s Consolidation Approach 02/15/2025

Helping Alt-Protein Startups Survive the Winter: Ahimsa’s Consolidation Approach It’s no secret that the alternative protein startups are struggling these days. A combination of lower revenue, intense competition, and less available venture capital is leading to a contraction in the sector, with countless alt-meat and dairy companies conducting layoffs, declaring bankruptcy, and even folding altogether. Enter , a newly formed investment group acquiring promising but distressed plant-based brands. This isn’t charity, though. Ahimsa's belief is that, with their consolidation strategy and pooled resources, these brands that are built on a strong underlying product can become profitable under the Ahimsa umbrella. As Ahimsa CEO says in this conversation, pendulums swing, and many of these companies can be brought to profitability, meaning they could ultimately be sold at a much higher price than their valuation during this period in which plant-based products are in the valley. So far the company has acquired , , , an Ohio plant-based foods , and more. Matt is a man of many talents, as you’ll hear in this episode. In addition to being CEO of Ahimsa Companies, he founded and sold his own education tech company, and is also the co-founder and CEO of , the parent company of supplement company and of . He’s both a missionary for plant-based lifestyles and a mercenary seeking to combine his passion for plant-based foods with profit. Discussed in this episode Ahimsa Companies is for plant-based startups to acquire. an analysis of their strategy and history. in which he describes Ahimsa’s goal by declaring that “we’ve got to step up and try to help these companies survive.” about Ahimsa’s acquisition of the Plant Plant in Ohio. Both Paul and Matt are interested in human-nonhuman communication, something Noa Weiss discussed on a . Matt recommends reading both and . Matt also recommends Paul Graham’s essay, . More about Matt Tullman Matt is the co-founder and Group CEO of the – a private equity firm acquiring and operating best-in-class plant-based food and manufacturing companies. He is also the co-founder and CEO of Outlier Health, the parent company of and , which have served nearly 13 million people just in the past three years. He’s also an investor in health/food/bev startups, and a contributor to Inc. Magazine. Previously Matt founded a ed-tech firm that was ultimately acquired by Stride Education (NYSE: LRN). Matt is most proud of bootstrapping a business that was named to the Inc. 500 list of fastest growing companies in 2021. He has dedicated his career to growing nutrition-first health companies to help catalyze the movement to a plant-based lifestyle for the mainstream consumer. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35290760

Subtracting the Bean from Coffee: The Minus Story 02/01/2025

Subtracting the Bean from Coffee: The Minus Story Did you know that it takes 140 liters of water to make a single cup of coffee? Turns out that coffee, as far as plant crops are concerned, has a fairly heavy footprint on the planet. And it’s getting harder to farm, with climate change altering where and how many coffee beans can even be grown. You’ve heard of making meat without chickens, and milk without cows. Well, you can also now get coffee without beans. This episode’s guest is the CEO of , a startup reimagining how you enjoy your daily brew. Minus has developed an innovative way to replicate the rich flavor, aroma, and experience of coffee without using coffee beans at all. Minus’ beanless coffee emits 86% less carbon than traditional coffee, uses 94% less water and utilizes 92% less land. Made from upcycled ingredients like date seeds and grape seeds, this alt-coffee is primarily marketed to women for reasons you’ll hear from CEO Maricel Saenz. The traditional coffee industry is rife with challenges, from deforestation and water-intensive farming practices to the instability of supply chains caused by climate change. Minus aims to address these issues head-on with a sustainable, scalable alternative that delivers the same satisfying experience without the environmental baggage. We’ll explore the science behind beanless coffee, the startup’s journey from concept to reality, and the potential impact of this bold innovation on coffee lovers and the planet. Whether you’re a caffeine connoisseur or just curious about how cutting-edge food tech is reshaping our world, this conversation is one you won’t want to miss. Discussed in this episode You can buy Minus coffee . Maricel recommends the Y Combinator . Maricel also recommends reading . Our past episodes on and . More about Maricel Saenz Maricel Saenz is a Costa Rican entrepreneur living in California with a strong passion for sustainability and innovation. She is the founder and CEO of Compound Foods, a food-tech startup that aims to reduce supply chains and food waste while creating sustainable and valuable products through fermentation. The company's first product, Minus, uses a beanless approach to reduce the negative environmental impact of coffee production and ensure a sustainable supply for the future. Maricel holds a Bachelor of Commerce from the University of British Columbia and attended Singularity University's Global Solutions Program in 2017. She has a diverse background, having previously co-founded Nextbiotics, a synthetic biology startup that addressed antibiotic resistance. She has also worked in international development in South Africa and Cambodia, empowering women and working with local entrepreneurs. Maricel has also worked with Monitor Deloitte in corporate strategy and innovation consultancies.In recognition of her accomplishments and innovative thinking, Maricel was named on the 2022 Forbes' 30 under 30 list. Her work in sustainability and food-tech is making a positive impact on the planet and inspiring others to think creatively about how to reduce waste and create sustainable solutions. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35105645

Can a Problem as Big as Climate Be Solved by a Solution as Small as a Microbe? 01/15/2025

Can a Problem as Big as Climate Be Solved by a Solution as Small as a Microbe? In this episode we’re diving deep into the fascinating world of carbon recycling with a trailblazer who’s reshaping how we think about waste and sustainability. Our guest is Dr. Jennifer Holmgren, CEO of —a company on a mission to transform our biggest environmental challenge into an economic opportunity. LanzaTech is pioneering a process that takes industrial emissions—the kind of harmful gases that typically contribute to climate change—and recycles them into valuable products like fuels, fabrics, and everyday consumer goods. The concept might sound like science fiction, but it’s already science fact. LanzaTech’s technology captures carbon emissions from sources like steel mills, refineries, and even municipal solid waste, then feeds those emissions to specially engineered microbes. These microbes act like tiny factories, converting carbon pollution into useful materials. Imagine jet fuel made from industrial waste or yoga pants created from captured carbon—it’s not just possible; it’s happening. In fact, at the very end of 2024, LanzaTech received a holiday gift from the federal government: a $200 million award from the Dept. of Energy. In this episode, Jennifer and I discuss the path LanzaTech took, including raising $400 million and taking 13 years prior to commercializing its first product. We also touch on her personal journey from her birth in Colombia to her taking the helm at LanzaTech. As you’ll hear, this isn’t just about reducing emissions; it’s about completely rethinking the role of waste in our economy. LanzaTech’s vision is one where carbon is no longer a liability but an asset—a resource that can be reused and recycled, over and over again. It’s a powerful example of how businesses can align profitability with purpose, and it’s precisely the kind of story that inspires hope in these challenging times. So, whether you’re an entrepreneur, an environmentalist, or just someone curious about the future of our planet, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss. Discussed in this episode Jennifer recommends reading by Susan Cain. LanzaTech awarded up to in federal cash from the DOE LanzaTech is by Khosla Ventures. More about Jennifer Holmgren, PhD Dr. Jennifer Holmgren is CEO of LanzaTech. Under her guidance, LanzaTech is developing a variety of platform chemicals and fuels, including the world’s first alternative jet fuel derived from industrial waste gases. Given her integral role in the development of this alternative jet fuel, she is also a Director and the Chair of the LanzaJet Board of Directors. Prior to LanzaTech, Jennifer was VP and General Manager of the Renewable Energy and Chemicals business unit at UOP LLC, a Honeywell Company. While at UOP, she was a key driver of UOP’s leadership in low carbon aviation biofuels, and under her management, UOP technology became instrumental in producing nearly all the initial fuels used by commercial airlines and the military for testing and certification of alternative aviation fuel. Jennifer is the author or co-author of 50 U.S. patents and more than 30 scientific publications, and is a member of the National Academy of Engineering. In 2003, she was the first woman awarded the Malcolm E. Pruitt Award from the Council for Chemical Research (CCR). In 2010, she was the recipient of the Leadership Award from the Civil Aviation Alternative Fuels Initiative (CAAFI). In 2015, Jennifer and her team at LanzaTech were awarded the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Presidential Green Chemistry Award, and she was awarded the BIO Rosalind Franklin Award for Leadership in Industrial Biotechnology. Jennifer was named as #1 of the 100 most influential leaders in the Bioeconomy in 2017 and received the Global Bioenergy Leadership Award in 2018, and the 2020 William C. Holmberg Award for Lifetime Achievement in the Advanced Bioeconomy. In 2021, she received the Edison Achievement Award and the Prix Voltaire Award. In 2022, she was included in ICIS’s Top 40 Power Players ranking. Jennifer also has an honorary doctorate from Delft University of Technology. Jennifer is on the Governing Council for the Bio Energy Research Institute in India. The institute was set up by the DBT (Department of Biotechnology, Indian Government) and IOC (Indian Oil Corporation). She also sits on the Advisory Council for the Andlinger Center for Energy and the Environment at Princeton University, the National Academies’ Board on Energy and Environmental Systems (BEES), the External Advisory Committee for the Advanced Energy Technologies Directorate (AET) at Argonne National Laboratory, the Advisory Council for the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL), the Halliburton Labs Advisory Board, the Universiti Teknologi PETRONAS International Advisory Council, and the Founder Advisory for The Engine, a venture capital fund built by MIT that invests in early-stage science and engineering companies. Jennifer holds a B.Sc. degree from Harvey Mudd College, a Ph.D. from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and an MBA from the University of Chicago. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/34825835

From Harvard Business School to Rural Africa: Nicole Poindexter’s Journey to Advance Clean Energy Access 01/01/2025

From Harvard Business School to Rural Africa: Nicole Poindexter’s Journey to Advance Clean Energy Access In this episode we’re taking you on a journey to some of the most remote corners of West Africa, where energy access is scarce, and innovation is changing lives. Our guest is Nicole Poindexter, the founder and CEO of , a company that's bringing clean, reliable solar power to off-grid communities in countries like Sierra Leone, Benin, and Liberia. Nicole and her team are doing something extraordinary: building solar mini-grids that provide electricity to tens of thousands of people who otherwise rely on polluting and expensive energy sources—or have no power at all. And, impressively, Energicity is doing all of this while making a profit, already being an EBITDA-positive company. In our conversation, Nicole shares how she transitioned from a background in finance—after an Ivy League education—to founding Energicity in 2015, driven by her vision to end energy poverty. We dive into how solar mini-grids are more than just a source of light—they’re catalysts for economic growth, education, and health improvements in communities that have often been ignored. Nicole also talks candidly about the challenges of working in rural Africa, from financing to infrastructure to cultural dynamics, and how she tackles these head-on. One part of this conversation that resonated with me and I think will with a lot of founders is when Nicole says she takes to heart the saying: “Those who know how work for those who know why.” So many people see a problem, and because they don’t know how to solve it, they don’t act. Nicole makes it clear that if you surround yourself with smart people of whom you can ask many questions, combining those who know how with those who know why can really lead to transformational results. So, if you’re ready to get inspired by a trailblazer who’s proving that business can indeed be a force for good, stay tuned for this enlightening conversation with Nicole Poindexter. Discussed in this episode Nicole was employed at Opower . on Energicity’s work. Energicity has raised $10 million so far, and is seeking to raise another . Nicole recommends reading and . She also recommends checking out . Our with African clean energy startup I-G3N. More about Nicole Poindexter From starting her career as investment banker, Nicole Poindexter has had a variety of leadership roles in finance, government, and business. Prior to her founding Energicity Corp, she was an early employee at OPower prior to its successful IPO and subsequent sale to Oracle, founding and growing the business development team. In that role, she brought together the skills of an operator and software product development with sensitivity to energy customer needs delivering USD 10’s of millions in revenue for the company. She was inspired to start Energicity Corp both due to her deep seated commitment to developing renewable sources of energy and also her passionate desire to create economic opportunity for some of the world’s poorest people through energy access. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/34602385

From Korea to the US: UNLIMEAT Puts its Signature on the Plant-Based Meat Movement 12/15/2024

From Korea to the US: UNLIMEAT Puts its Signature on the Plant-Based Meat Movement Most plant-based meats in the US have centered around American staples like hamburgers, hot dogs, chicken nuggets, and sausages. But there’s a world of meat consumption out there, and some of the most popular meat dishes are ones many Americans may have never even tried. In recent years, South Korea has seen great success exporting its culture around the world, with mega-popular K-dramas like and , K-pop like , and yes, K-food like . Now, South Korean plant-based meat player is bringing its twist on K-meat to thousands of US supermarkets. Already, the company’s Korean-style alt-meats have been sold throughout Asia, including at Starbucks, Subway, Domino’s, and more. And since they broke into the US market with a giant in 2022, the company is now making inroads into the American diet. With Korean-themed like bulgogi, pulled pork, and kimbap tuna, the company is betting that Americans will welcome new alt-meat offerings into their homes. In this episode, we talk with UNLIMEAT Co-CEO Ryan Chung, who’s in charge of the American market for the young and growing company. While the brand was started in 2019, they’ve already raised , built a , and are shipping . As you’ll hear, we discuss the challenges plant-based meat is facing these days and what might be done to overcome them, along with predictions for what the meat market may look like in 15 years. It’s a compelling conversation with a leader in the space who’s seeking to change the face of the alt-meat movement as we know it. Discussed in this episode Ryan recommends reading Paul recommends reading , whose author Melissa Schilling is a on this show! Paul’s of Quorn being marketed as essentially price parity with chicken in a London KFC. UNLIMEAT’s with Just Egg UNLIMEAT is available at , , , on , and more. More about Ryan Chung is a Co-CEO at UNLIMEAT, where Ryan also holds the titles of Head of International and Chief Strategy Officer. Ryan previously served as the Chief Operating Officer at BriteBelly and YBRAIN. He also worked at Tesla, handling various aspects of business operations. Ryan has a background in M&A from roles at Samsung NEXT and PwC, encompassing due diligence, post-deal value capture, and divestiture planning. With industry experience in technology, automotive, industrials, aerospace & defense, and consumer sectors, Ryan's expertise in operational strategy, new product development, and strategic analysis is well-rounded. Ryan holds an MBA from the University of Virginia Darden School of Business and a BA in Economics, International Relations, and Business Administration from Boston University. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/34441295

Bringing Clean Energy to African Businesses 12/01/2024

Bringing Clean Energy to African Businesses Imagine trying to run a small business without a constant supply of energy. With electricity intermittency, you may not have access to wifi, a phone, a computer, a way to service your customers and more. One way to solve this problem is to have constant access to fossil fuels to run diesel generators, but this is an expensive and dirty way to operate, creating unsustainable costs for the business and the planet. Enter , a South African company specializing in the design and production of advanced lithium-ion battery storage solutions for residential, commercial, and industrial applications. Their batteries provide reliable, cost-effective energy storage to support renewable energy systems, reduce reliance on unstable grids, and address load-shedding challenges in South Africa. By enabling more effective use of solar and other renewable power sources, I-G3N plays a critical role in promoting energy independence, reducing carbon footprints, and fostering sustainable economic growth in a region where access to consistent power is a pressing need. In this episode, we talk with I-G3N CEO and co-founder Sydney Phakathi about why he started the company, how he’s navigated and funded running a start-up in South Africa—including having him and his co-founders not taking a salary for nearly a year—and what kind of an impact the company’s making today. Discussed in this episode Sydney recommends reading . in pioneering local battery production amidst energy challenges I-G3N R20m investment More on the renewable energy in Africa. More about Sydney Phakathi is the CEO and co-founder of I-G3N, a South African company specializing in lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) batteries for energy storage. With a focus on addressing South Africa's persistent energy challenges, I-G3N provides scalable battery solutions for homes, businesses, and industrial applications. Sydney, alongside his co-founders, has driven the company’s growth from its establishment in 2018 to a critical player in the renewable energy sector, emphasizing local manufacturing to mitigate the reliance on imports. The company has expanded its reach to other African markets, aiming to provide affordable and reliable energy solutions amid widespread power outages. Under his leadership, I-G3N has also championed youth empowerment, employing a predominantly young workforce and offering on-the-job training. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/34187105

One Good Human: Eric Schulze on Cultivated Meat’s Past and Future 11/15/2024

One Good Human: Eric Schulze on Cultivated Meat’s Past and Future Eric Schulze loves the intersection of science and food so much that after many years as an FDA regulator, he decided in 2016 to leave the federal government to join the then-nascent Memphis Meats (now ). He’d go on to spend the next seven years working to advance the cultivated meat pioneer’s science, technology, communications, and ultimate regulatory approval by the agency for which he used to work. Now, Eric’s charting a new path for himself, founding , a consultancy aimed at assisting and even launching biotech startups seeking to bring their new innovations to the world. In this episode, Eric and I discuss the state of the cultivated meat movement today and where it may be heading. This includes the path to commercialization, the obituaries being written for the sector, the statewide sales bans on the product, and comparisons to other technologies. We even discuss our mutual love of sci-fi and give some recommendations to those of you fellow nerds out there. Eric’s a wealth of knowledge on all things alt-protein, so if you want both information and inspiration, listen to what he’s got to say. Discussed in this episode Eric first learned about cultivated meat after the was unveiled in 2016. Our past episodes on this show with and , the latter of whom Eric has jointly launched a new company, . Eric is a big fan of British physicist Eric recommends reading (nonfiction) along with fiction such as , , and . Paul recommends (fiction) and (nonfiction). He also of some 19th century animal protection literature recently. Both Eric and Paul liked the films and . More about Eric Schulze, PhD Eric Schulze, PhD is a professional molecular biologist, genetic engineer, and former federal biotechnology regulator, and most recently is the CEO of , a full-service strategy and design firm. He served as Vice President of Product and Regulation at , where he led both design and development of the company’s meat products as well as its regulatory-, policy-, and government affairs. Before that, he served as a U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulator, handling a portfolio of novel food and drug biotechnology products. As a civil servant, Dr. Schulze also served as a federal STEM education policy capacity within the National Science Foundation and currently works with the National Academy of Sciences on undergraduate STEM education transformation. He holds a doctorate in genetic, cellular, and molecular biology with a specialty in embryonic stem cell engineering and is trained in broadcast communication, speechwriting, and risk assessment. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/33936852

Chocolate without Cocoa Farming: The California Cultured Journey 11/01/2024

Chocolate without Cocoa Farming: The California Cultured Journey We all know chocolate is sweet. The way that it’s made—not so much. From and to and , cocoa farming leaves a lot to be desired. But what if we could make cocoa powder without having to chop down the rainforest and engage in so many other unsavory practices? That’s what is working on now. The Davis, California-based startup has raised $16 million to grow cocoa cells inside of bioreactors and has already produced some pretty tasty chocolate from this process, as I can personally attest. This isn’t their CEO Alan Perlstein’s first shot at growing food inside of bioreactors. As you’ll hear in this episode, Alan was part of the team that a quarter century ago grew the world’s (goldfish cells funded by NASA). He went on to found —now —which grows sweet proteins inside of bioreactors. After running the company for six years, he’s now embarked on a journey to divorce cocoa production from farming the rainforest, and he shares that story here. Can they compete on cost with farmed cocoa? How long before their cocoa makes its way onto the market? Most importantly, does it taste as good as the chocolate we eat today? These are all questions we bite into—and more—in this conversation! Discussed in this episode Our past episodes with the and . Our World in Data greenhouse gas emission showing chocolate similar to beef. Alan endorses starting your company through . California Cultured with Japanese chocolate giant. Cocoa consumption’s . More about Alan Perlstein is a visionary entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience in the food technology industry. From his early career in one of the first cell-cultured meat labs to founding California Cultured, Alan has consistently pursued sustainable innovations to solve global food production issues. His passion lies in addressing the environmental and ethical challenges of traditional agriculture by using cutting-edge plant cell culture technology to create real chocolate and coffee without the harmful impacts of deforestation, child labor, and toxic chemicals. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/33649632

Will Pets Be the First European Consumers of Cultivated Meat? Meatly is Betting on It 10/15/2024

Will Pets Be the First European Consumers of Cultivated Meat? Meatly is Betting on It If you follow the world of cultivated meat, you probably know that a few companies have gotten historic regulatory approval and have sold some limited quantities of product both in the US and Singapore. But earlier this year, —a company founded only in 2021 and with just a few million British pounds in their pocket—succeeded in getting regulatory approval to start selling its cultivated chicken meat…in pet food. This was the first-ever European approval for a cultivated meat product, and the first-ever approval for such a product in the pet food space. And as someone with a dog who sadly makes his distaste for plant-based dog food very clear, I can assure you that I’m eager to see if my dog will enjoy Meatly’s debut product. In this episode, I talk with Meatly CEO Owen Ensor about his journey from starting the company to now. We discuss the scale he’s at, the cost structure of his product, the inclusion rates in pet food he anticipates, what stores he plans to sell in at first, how he’ll fund the company, when he thinks cultivated meat may make a dent in total meat demand, and much more. It’s a riveting conversation with someone making headlines across the alt-meat world. Will pet food be the gateway for cultivated meat’s market entrance? You be the judge. Discussed in this episode Owen became vegan after watching . Owen’s showing the timeline to regulatory approval for various cultivated meat companies. Paul’s on pet food’s contribution to total meat demand. is another company growing chicken protein for the pet market. You can see Paul’s dog Eddie enjoying it . Our past episodes with and M. Owen recommends reading . More about Owen Ensor Owen is the Founding CEO of Meatly. Since establishing Meatly in 2021, with only £3.5m in funding, it has become the first company in Europe to get regulatory approval for cultivated meat, developed industry-leading technical processes, and created the world’s first cultivated pet food products. Before establishing Meatly, Owen started his career at the Management Consultancy company Bain and scaled one of the world's first insect protein facilities. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/33457222

Investing in an Animal-Free Food System: Milk & Honey Ventures 10/01/2024

Investing in an Animal-Free Food System: Milk & Honey Ventures Around the time his son was born in 2011, Beni Nofech saw a video that changed his life. After listening to an argument about the need to move away from the view that animals are mere commodities for humanity to use however we like, Beni adopted a vegan diet and soon found himself attending animal movement and alt-protein conferences. From there, he began making angel investments in food tech startups that could help animals, eventually leading him to leave his career in the medical device world to become a full-time venture capitalist in the alt-protein food tech world. Today, Beni runs , an eight-figure investment fund with a mandate to place early-stage bets on Israeli food tech startups that are seeking to displace animals in the food system. He’s backed some of the biggest names in alt-protein, including many companies who’ve been on this podcast before. In this episode, Beni and I discuss the state of alt-protein investing, whether he views the current apparent malaise as permanent or transitory, and what he sees for the future of this important industry. I’ve known Beni since 2016 and can attest that he’s a great guy with important insights from which anyone who cares about building a better food system will benefit. Discussed in this episode Beni was influenced to become vegan after seeing online. Beni helped promote by SuperMeat, to which Paul donated. Beni served on the board of the . Beni recommends: , , , and . Bonus: One of Paul’s . The Good Food Institute’s in the alt-protein sector. Our past episodes with and . Pitch Milk and Honey Ventures at More about Beni is the Founding Managing-Partner of Milk & Honey Ventures - Israel’s leading venture capital fund exclusively dedicated to the Sustainable-Protein industry. He has been a key player in the sector in Israel for over a decade, actively serving as an angel investor, entrepreneur, and advocate for the industry. His experience spans investments in over a dozen startups, including some of the most notable success stories in the global alternative-protein space today. Beni’s passion is the effective acceleration of disruptive Sustainable-Protein technologies /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/33270527

Can Bacteria Make Better Leather than Cows? Polybion Says So 09/15/2024

Can Bacteria Make Better Leather than Cows? Polybion Says So You’ve heard of fruit leather, but what about making leather from fruit? Or more precisely, feeding fruit waste like mango pulp to bacteria which then convert those sugars into a leather-like material that can be useful for all types of purposes? That’s exactly what , a startup in Central Mexico, is doing. Co-founded in 2015 by two brothers with a passion for using biology to save humanity from ourselves—as CEO Axel Gómez-Ortigoza puts it—Polybion has pioneered methods of turning the fruit industry’s trash into what they hope will be their treasure. As you’ll hear in this episode, Polybion has methods for treating fruit waste to make it economic as a feedstock in their fermentation system to grow cellulose into a leather-like material they call Celium. Already the company is eager to put Celium into their menu of offerings. To sustainably feed and clothe ourselves into the future, it’s imperative that we no longer go big with animal agriculture, but instead go small with microbial agriculture. Will Polybion’s cellulose leather be a part of the solution? Time will tell. But for now, enjoy hearing the wild ride this company’s been on from conception to pivoting technologies to getting a product out onto the market. Discussed in this episode You can see photos of Celium . CNN on the between Danish fashion brand Ganni and Polybion. was an inspiration for Polybion’s founders. Ecovative also inspired them, and we did an with them too! offer hope Axel recommends reading and . He also recommends watching the original Carl Sagan from the 1980s. (The with Neil deGrasse Tyson is also great.) was an engineer who served as an inspiration to Axel. More about Axel Gómez-Ortigoza Axel Gómez-Ortigoza was born with an innate fascination for the mysteries of life, the natural world, and the universe, which sparked his lifelong passion for life sciences and finding solutions to complex problems. After completing high school, he decided to carry on the family tradition of engineering that had spanned three generations and pursued a career in bioengineering. With his expertise in Microbiology, Bioinformatics, Cell Culture, Murine Assays, Genetic Engineering, Synthetic Biology, and Origami, Axel became a skilled R&D scientist. At the young age of 22, he and his brother Alexis co-founded Polybion, a New Generation Materials Company, which soon earned Axel a spot as one of MIT Technology Review’s Innovators Under 35. Today, he serves as both CEO and CTO of his company, and his groundbreaking work has led to the development of the world’s first Bacterial Cellulose Biomanufacturing Facility. Axel’s tireless efforts have paved the way for the rapid advancement of bioassembled products, increased sustainability, and a more efficient transition toward a circular economy. He is convinced that the intersection of biology and technology is the key to solving the global health crisis. He envisions a future in which humans and nature can coexist in harmony. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/33048357

Are Chickpeas the Future of Alt-Protein? NuCicer is Working On It 09/01/2024

Are Chickpeas the Future of Alt-Protein? NuCicer is Working On It Alt-meat today is typically made from soybeans, yellow peas, wheat, or some combination of those three crops. But there’s a whole world of plants out there, and maybe some of them can be harnessed to widen the world of ingredients available to manufacturers, perhaps even offering better functionality and flavor. One of the problems though, is that making protein isolates from most beans or lentils can be pretty expensive, since these crops usually aren’t that high in protein to begin with. One reason why soy protein is so much cheaper than pea protein, for example, is that the soybean is typically 30-40 percent protein by dry weight, whereas the yellow pea at best is more like 25 percent. So you need to grow fewer soybeans to get the same amount of protein. With chickpeas, the situation is even worse, as they’re usually more like 20 percent protein. Enter , a startup in Davis, California that has leveraged the power of natural plant diversity to breed a chickpea with 35 percent protein and which they say has superior flavor and functionality compared to pea protein, a common ingredient in alt-meat today, explaining one reason alt-meat is often more expensive than animal meat. They’ve done this by taking today’s commodity chickpea—the only domesticated species within the Cicer genus—and bred it with wild relatives that never made it into the basket of legumes which were domesticated by the humans living in the Middle East thousands of years ago. The result is a chickpea with 75 percent more protein than the typical chickpea, reducing the cost of chickpea protein by about 50 percent. Already, NuCicer is growing its high-protein chickpeas on 1,000 acres across five states and is moving fast to scale up. Does a new world of alt-meats, high-protein hummus, and even chickpea-powered proteinaceous oatmeal await? The father-daughter duo that co-founded NuCicer certainly hopes so. That daughter, Kathryn Cook, serves as CEO and is on the show to tell you all about her journey from her first chapter as an aerospace engineer to now a CEO engineering a better chickpea. Discussed in this episode NuCicer is backed by and . Kathryn’s father the pioneering research at UC-Davis that led to the two co-founding NuCicer. Kathryn recommends the book . Chickpea protein was popularized by , which was acquired by Tate & Lyle in 2022. Rebellyous Foods was also founded by a former Boeing engineer, and we did an on them! More about Kathryn Cook Kathryn Cook is the CEO and co-founder of NuCicer. Kathryn started her career as a materials science engineer developing new raw material formulations and production methods. Shifting into product and program management, Kathryn managed multidisciplinary teams in both aerospace and machine learning technologies for natural language processing. Driven by the mission of enabling a more resilient, nutritious food system for our rapidly expanding population, Kathryn launched her career in food and agriculture. She is passionate about the urgent need to leverage breeding and biodiversity to improve our crop varieties and enable more delicious, nutritious ingredients. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/32847962

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