Business for Good Podcast

Join host Paul Shapiro as he talks with some of the leading start-up entrepreneurs and titans of industry alike using their businesses to help solve the world’s most pressing problems.

Why Jim Mellon Is Still All In on Alternative Protein After Five Years 05/01/2026

Why Jim Mellon Is Still All In on Alternative Protein After Five Years Episode Summary: Five years ago, billionaire investor Jim Mellon came on Business For Good and laid out his thesis that cultivated meat and precision fermentation would transform the food system. Since then, venture capital has fled the space, plant-based stocks have cratered, and many startups have gone under. So why is Jim putting even more money in? In this episode, Paul Shapiro reconnects with Jim Mellon, Author of Moo's Law and Chairman of Agronomics, to find out what has changed and what hasn't. Jim reveals that his portfolio company, Clean Food Group, is producing precision fermentation-based palm oil, olive oil, and cocoa butter at a factory near Liverpool that is already sold out to buyers, including Mondelēz. He shares how media costs for cultivated meat have dropped from nearly $1,000 per liter to under three cents, and why he expects the company to go public later this year in what could be the first IPO of a precision fermentation company. The conversation also covers why the Middle East may become the next major hub for alternative protein infrastructure, how robotics could improve agricultural yields and reduce food waste, and what Jim plans to change in the updated edition of Moo's Law. He also explains why, despite personal wealth, no single investor can fund the scale of infrastructure this industry requires. Things You Will Learn: How precision fermentation-based oils are already reaching price parity with conventional palm oil, olive oil, and cocoa butter. Why cultivated meat media costs have dropped from roughly $1,000 per liter to under three cents in just a few years. Why the Middle East could become the next major hub for alternative protein manufacturing. What Jim Mellon plans to change in the updated edition of Moo's Law. How robotics and AI could reduce crop waste and improve agricultural yields globally. Tools & Frameworks Covered: Moo's Law: The idea that the cost of producing cultivated animal products will decline on a curve similar to Moore's Law in computing, driven by advances in media formulation, facility design, and scale. Precision Fermentation for Commodity Oils: Using microbial fermentation to produce bio-identical palm oil, cocoa butter, and olive oil at competitive prices with greater supply consistency and without deforestation. Infrastructure-First Scaling: Building dedicated production facilities and securing offtake agreements before going to market, reducing capital carry costs, and proving commercial viability to attract institutional investment. #BusinessForGood #FutureOfFood #AlternativeProtein #SustainableBusiness /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/41055945

Investing in Biodiversity with Venture Capitalist Tom Quigley 04/15/2026

Investing in Biodiversity with Venture Capitalist Tom Quigley Episode Summary: What if the next great venture opportunity isn't in AI or fintech but in protecting nature itself? In this episode of Business For Good, Paul Shapiro sits down with Tom Quigley, Co-founder of Superorganism, one of the first venture funds built entirely around biodiversity protection. With a freshly closed $26 million fund, Tom explains why over half of global GDP depends on healthy ecosystems, and why the degradation of those systems creates massive risk exposure for industries and supply chains worldwide. The conversation covers how biodiversity investing differs from climate tech, why cattle is among the most destructive forces for tropical ecosystems, and where venture-backed startups can intervene across areas like AI-powered wildlife monitoring, bird-safe glass, forest microbiome restoration, and silvopasture transitions. Things You Will Learn: Why over 55% of global GDP is moderately or heavily dependent on intact natural ecosystems. How biodiversity investing differs from climate tech and why it opens up categories like invasive species, bird-safe infrastructure, and soil restoration. Why cattle ranching is one of the most significant drivers of tropical biodiversity loss, hitting multiple vectors from deforestation to methane to runoff. How AI-powered camera systems are helping wind farm operators monitor and reduce bird strikes while defending against political opposition. Why bird-safe glass could prevent up to one to two billion bird deaths per year in the US alone, and what makes it an investable category. Tools & Frameworks Covered: Biodiversity Venture Thesis: A three-pillar investment framework targeting companies that disrupt industries driving biodiversity loss, operate at the overlap of climate and nature, or build enabling deep technologies for conservation. Dynamic Curtailment for Wind Farms: AI-powered camera systems that identify bird species near turbines and trigger slowdowns or shutdowns in real time to reduce strikes while maintaining energy output. Forest Microbiome Restoration: A soil treatment approach modeled on human gut microbiome transplants that restores mycorrhizal fungal networks in degraded lands to dramatically increase timber yield and ecosystem health. Silvopasture Transition: A land management strategy that integrates trees into cattle pastures, providing alternative revenue through forestry, native biodiversity plantings, and improved livestock performance through reduced heat stress. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/40808070

Using Wildlife Intelligence to Prevent Animal Collisions with Sára Nožková 04/01/2026

Using Wildlife Intelligence to Prevent Animal Collisions with Sára Nožková Episode Summary: What if AI could help prevent bird strikes, train collisions, and livestock attacks by communicating with wild animals in ways they already understand? In this episode of Business For Good, speaks with Sára Nožková, CEO and Co-founder of , about building AI systems designed to detect wildlife and guide animals away from danger. Sára explains how her company combines machine learning, wildlife science, and real-world infrastructure applications to reduce human-wildlife conflict across airports, train tracks, roads, farms, and other critical areas. Rather than relying on blunt deterrents, Flox develops species-specific audio responses and adaptive systems that learn from animal behavior over time. Things You Will Learn: How Flox Intelligence uses AI vision, sensors, and species-specific audio to keep animals away from dangerous infrastructure. Why airports, rail systems, farms, and public agencies have economic incentives to reduce human-wildlife conflict. How wildlife communication research is shaping a new category of AI-powered biodiversity solutions. Why solving physical, measurable problems may be one of the strongest long-term applications of AI. How mission-driven founders can combine software, hardware, and science to build practical climate and conservation businesses. Tools & Frameworks Covered: Wildlife Intelligence: A practical AI category focused on detecting, interpreting, and influencing animal behavior to reduce conflict with human infrastructure. Adaptive Species-Specific Playlists: Tailored sound interventions matched to species, context, landscape, and behavior, then improved through repeated interactions. AI for Real-World Physical Systems: A framework for applying AI beyond software-only use cases by combining data, hardware, and scientific expertise to solve measurable problems in the field. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/40649665

Turning Green Leaves Into High-Performing Protein with Ross Milne 03/15/2026

Vasectomies, Family Planning, and Environmental Pressure with Dr. Douglas Stein (The Vasectomist) 03/01/2026

Feed the People Authors on Abundance, Food Policy, and Meat Demand 02/15/2026

Bruce Friedrich (Good Food Institute) on Taste, Price, and What It Takes to Scale Alternative Meat 02/01/2026

Modern Mill’s Chris Guimond on Upcycling Rice Hulls Into Low Maintenance Building Materials 01/15/2026

Deep Fission: Using Boreholes to Cut Nuclear Costs and Deliver 24/7 Clean Electricity 01/01/2026

Deep Fission: Using Boreholes to Cut Nuclear Costs and Deliver 24/7 Clean Electricity What if the fastest path to reliable clean electricity is not a new reactor design, but a new place to put one? In this conversation, Paul Shapiro speaks with Elizabeth Muller, CEO of Deep Fission, about a plan to place a conventional pressurized water reactor roughly a mile underground to use geology, gravity, and groundwater for containment, pressure, and emergency cooling, potentially cutting total nuclear costs by as much as 80%. They unpack how a narrow borehole reactor could serve always-on demand from data centers and industrial users, what “proven tech combined in a new way” really means, how safety and groundwater concerns are handled through regulation and engineering practices, and the practical milestones from pilot to commercial operation so listeners can evaluate what it would take for underground nuclear to scale. Things You Will Learn How putting a conventional reactor in a mile-deep borehole can replace major above-ground systems and cut nuclear cost drivers. How Deep Fission thinks about worst-case scenarios, groundwater protection, and regulatory proof points. What milestones convert LOIs into power purchase agreements, and what timelines look like for early deployment. Tools & Frameworks Covered Geology-as-infrastructure – Uses rock, gravity, and water to replace containment and pressurization systems. Mature-tech recombination – Combines proven reactors, drilling, and geothermal heat transfer to speed time to market. Pilot-to-commercial pathway – Separates “go critical” demonstration from commercial electricity generation milestones. Episode Timestamps04:55 – Why a mile underground could cut nuclear costs by about 80% 08:47 – Borehole size, reactor dimensions, and how the hardware fits 09:31 – Replacement strategy, sealing, and stacking long-term operations 19:45 – Groundwater and safety concerns, what regulators need to see 21:43 – Timeline to power, DOE pilot program, and moving toward commercialization /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/39543955

The Incredible, Edible… Pea? How Meala is Using Biotech to Render Eggs Obsolete 12/15/2025

The Incredible, Edible… Pea? How Meala is Using Biotech to Render Eggs Obsolete If you’ve ever checked the ingredients on a baked good, you know how ubiquitous eggs are. They bind, they lift, they emulsify, they hold moisture — they’re simply the structural engineers of cookies, cakes, and muffins everywhere. But they’re also volatile: prices spike, supply chains break, and for anyone with an egg allergy or who’s avoiding eggs for animal welfare or environmental reasons, eggs aren’t exactly a welcome ingredient to find on the ingredient deck. Enter Hadar Ekhoiz Razmovich, CEO and co-founder of , an Israeli startup that’s figured out how to make peas do what eggs and hydrocolloids do, and has consequently raised several million dollars in venture capital so far. Meala’s breakthrough lies in taking simple pea protein and using advanced biotechnology to unlock its hidden abilities — creating a single-ingredient powder that they say can whip, bind, and gel just like an egg in baked goods and alternative meat. No multi-ingredient formulations, no methylcellulose, no animal inputs — just plants doing some biochemical magic. In this episode, Hadar shares how her background in R&D led her to tackle one of food science’s toughest challenges: replacing eggs and hydrocolloids without sacrificing texture, taste, or cost. We talk about how Meala’s technology works, what it takes to convince industrial bakeries to swap eggs for peas, and why she believes clean-label ingredients like this are the future of food. Hadar is not just rethinking what we eat, she and her team are rebuilding the food system from scratch, one cookie, cake, and croissant at a time. Discussed in this episode Meals is backed by , , , , and . Our with Milk & Honey Ventures’ Beni Nofech. More on Meala’s egg replacer, GroundBaker, is . You can see two pending patent applications of Meala’s and . Get to know Hadar Ekhoiz Razmovich brings over 12 years of leadership experience in the global food industry, with a strong focus on driving innovation and R&D across traditional food sectors. Throughout her career, she has led complex, multidisciplinary projects from early concept development to full commercial launch, consistently bridging technological capabilities with real market needs. In 2021, she founded Meala FoodTech with a mission to transform the food industry. Under her leadership, Meala is pioneering clean-label functional protein that deliver superior texture, bite, and mouthfeel—without compromise and without undesirable additives. Her work empowers food manufacturers to create simpler, more natural, and better-tasting products, setting a new benchmark for next-generation of food. Hadar is widely recognized for her strategic vision, deep industry insight, and ability to translate scientific innovation into scalable commercial solutions. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/39399145

From Oil Wells to Oak Trees: Ben Dell’s Half-Billion-Dollar Pivot to Carbon Offsetting 12/01/2025

From Oil Wells to Oak Trees: Ben Dell’s Half-Billion-Dollar Pivot to Carbon Offsetting What if planting trees could be not just good for the planet, but also a profitable business? In this episode, I’m talking with Ben Dell, the founder and CEO of — a company that’s raised nearly $400 million, including $250 million of that in 2025, to turn farmland back into thriving native forests across the United States. And he’s already forging major carbon removal deals with the likes of Microsoft and Mercedes F1. Ben’s journey is a fascinating one: he began his career in oil and gas private equity, helping fossil-fuel companies optimize their operations. But during the pandemic, he had what you might call a carbon epiphany. Seeing how few trustworthy carbon-removal projects existed, he decided to create his own — one that would make measurable, verifiable, and permanent carbon storage not just possible, but investable. In our conversation, Ben explains why carbon is a commodity, and how to prove you’ve really stored it. He talks about how Chestnut buys up marginal cattle-grazed land and restores it into biodiverse forests — with already more than 17 million trees planted. And he goes over why he proudly calls Chestnut “conservation for profit” — a business model that needs no subsidies, just land, good science, and a lot of patience. Ben also talks about the challenges of scaling a nature-based startup, the importance of grit over glamour, and why he believes restoring forests can be one of America’s most investable climate solutions. So if you’ve ever wondered how capitalism might actually reverse deforestation — not cause it — this episode will give you a hopeful, grounded look at what that future could look like. Discussed in this episode Ben is a managing partner at . and a on Ben’s work. Our past episode with author . You can see Chestnut’s patent, “Systems and methods for forest surveying,” . Chestnut’s and a similar agreement with . Ben recommends podcasts such as and . Get to Know Ben Dell Ben Dell is a Managing Partner of Kimmeridge and oversees investment activity across the firm. He is closely involved in the screening of new geological opportunities and in the negotiation and execution of investment strategies. Prior to founding Kimmeridge, Mr. Dell was a Senior Equity Research Analyst for Oil and Gas Exploration and Production (E&P) at Sanford C. Bernstein, where he was ranked first three times in the Institutional Investor Research Survey for coverage of E&Ps. Mr. Dell was also ranked for Natural Gas and for Oil Services and Equipment coverage. Mr. Dell joined Sanford C. Bernstein in 2003. Prior to joining Bernstein, Mr. Dell was employed at British Petroleum (BP) in its M&A and finance group. Before moving into the finance field, Mr. Dell also held positions as an exploration geologist and geophysicist across several of BP’s regional business units. Mr. Dell is currently CEO of Chestnut Carbon, a nature-based carbon removal developer and is on the Board of Caturus HoldCo, LLC., a large private natural gas producer in South Texas. He previously held positions as Chairman of the Board and interim CEO of Civitas Resources, Inc. (“Civitas”), a company that formed from the merger of Extraction Oil & Gas, Inc. and Bonanza Creek Energy, Inc. Mr. Dell earned an undergraduate degree and a master’s degree in Earth Sciences from St. Peter’s College, Oxford. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/39223545

Ready for a Carpet Made of Human Hair? This Entrepreneur Turns Salon Waste into Textiles 11/15/2025

Ready for a Carpet Made of Human Hair? This Entrepreneur Turns Salon Waste into Textiles What if one solution to fashion’s waste problem is literally growing on our own heads? Every day, salons around the world toss out millions of pounds of freshly cut human hair — a clean, protein-rich, renewable resource that mostly ends up in landfills or incinerators. But what if that so-called waste could become the next sustainable textile? My guest on this episode, Zsofia Kollar, is the founder and CEO of , a Netherlands-based startup turning salon hair waste into a high-performance fibre that behaves like wool — but with 43 times lower CO₂ emissions, 20 times less water use, and none of the animal cruelty or plastics. Their branded fiber, called , is already being spun into things like carpets, curtains, and acoustic panels — and it’s made from something we all grow ourselves. In this conversation, Zsofia and I talk about how she got the idea to build an entire materials company out of human hair, how her technology works, why hair is such a strong and versatile material, the “ick” factor of human-derived fibres, and how she’s scaling her model so that salons and HML benefit alike. If you think using human hair in textiles sounds strange, stick around — because by the end of this episode, you might just want a carpet made from your own cut-offs. I’ll let Zsofia make the case. Discussed in this episode of Human Material Loop’s work. and have covered their work, too. Zoroastrians sometimes practice sky burial on a , in which vultures are allowed to consume a recently deceased human. Our on human composting with Recompose. Get to Know Zsofia Kollar Zsofia Kollar is a forward-thinking entrepreneur passionate about sustainable innovation. Science and design are crucial in the company’s development. After her experience running an independent design studio, Zsofia was driven to reimagine waste management, focusing particularly on hair waste. Her goal is to foster collaboration and innovation for a more sustainable future. Human Material Loop demonstrates that sustainability and economic growth can coexist. Zsofia’s dedication extends beyond her CEO role—she’s also a published author and university lecturer, inspiring others in design and sustainability. Her vision entails holistic sustainability, where science, design, and collaboration reshape waste management and drive innovation. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/39043155

From Fashion Model to Fission Mission: Isabelle Boemeke’s Nuclear-Powered Future 11/01/2025

From Fashion Model to Fission Mission: Isabelle Boemeke’s Nuclear-Powered Future When you hear the word nuclear, does your mind flash to mushroom clouds, Chernobyl, or maybe the glowing three-eyed fish from The Simpsons? Well, what if nuclear electricity — far from being an environmental villain — is actually one of the safest, cleanest, and most land-efficient energy sources we have? It turns out that former fashion model Isabelle Boemeke is on a mission to change how we think about nuclear energy. When she and I met a few years ago, in Italy of all places, she was known by many simply as , her online persona that blends fashion, futurism, and fission to make nuclear cool again. And now, in her new book , Isabelle argues that nuclear power isn’t just misunderstood — it’s essential to solving climate change, land preservation, and numerous other important concerns. In our conversation, Isabelle details: Why fear of nuclear power stems more from cultural trauma than from science, Why nuclear electricity is safer and environmentally-friendlier than not just fossil fuels, but also solar and wind, What’s fact vs. fiction when it comes to the world’s biggest energy disasters, And why, despite all the excitement about fusion and modular reactors, maybe the smartest thing we can do right now is simply pick a proven fission design — and start building them fast. I always love when it turns out that the thing we thought was the villain is actually a hero, or at least better than what we thought. If you do too, this is the episode for you, as this episode may challenge your assumptions about what’s truly “green” and is actually safe. Discussed in this episode The and that decimated massive amounts of wildlife habitat helped inspire Isabelle to focus on environmental concerns such as climate change. The killed hundreds of thousands of people. Isabelle recommends checking out and the . Commonwealth Fusion $863 million. The US military is in small, mobile nuclear reactors. Paul recently read a sci-fi book about nuclear-powered wildlife called . Get to Know Isabelle Boemeke With her signature mix of humor, sharp research, and optimistic vision, her debut book, Rad Future, makes the case for nuclear electricity as one of the best tools to solve the climate crisis. Boemeke is also known as Isodope, the irreverent digital persona on a mission to make nuclear cool. She is the Founder and Executive Director of Save Clean Energy and board member of Nature is Nonpartisan and Nuclear Scaling Initiative, where she works at the intersection of policy, culture, and technology to accelerate pragmatic solutions. She delivered a TED Talk that has been viewed nearly 2 million times, led a grassroots campaign that helped delay the closure of California’s Diablo Canyon Power Plant, and is a TIME Magazine “Next Generation Leader.” /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38872010

Fungi-Filled Diapers: How Plastic-Eating Fungi May Change Child-Rearing 10/15/2025

Fungi-Filled Diapers: How Plastic-Eating Fungi May Change Child-Rearing If you’ve ever changed a diaper, you might’ve wondered what happens to it after it goes in the trash. The answer, unfortunately, is that it’ll sit in a landfill for hundreds of years—certainly longer than the baby who briefly wore it will live. In fact, every diaper you wore when you were a baby is still sitting around, at best in a landfill, or perhaps even in the ocean. And did you know the average American baby goes through 6,000 diapers before learning to use a toilet? But what if fungi could change that? In this episode, I sit down with serial entrepreneur Miki Agrawal, the founder of (yes, the period underwear company), (yes, the bidet company), and now —a company using plastic-eating fungi to help disposable diapers return to the earth. Miki, who some have dubbed the “Queen of pee, poop, and periods,” (I think they should shorten it to the “Queen of Secretions”) shares how an opportune moment with her toddler and a children’s book about fungi inspired her to launch HIRO. Her company’s first product——uses a packet of dormant, culinary-grade fungi that awaken when exposed to moisture and begin breaking down the diaper’s plastic components, dramatically reducing its landfill lifespan from centuries to under a year, after which it simply becomes dirt. We talk about everything from the science of fungal degradation to the challenges of biotech entrepreneurship, from raising millions for an unconventional idea to why she believes reconnecting with nature is the ultimate form of innovation. Whether you’re a parent, a sustainability enthusiast, or just fascinated by the intersection of biology and business, this conversation will make you rethink what “waste” really means. Discussed in this episode It was the children’s book that implanted the idea in Miki’s mind about plastic-eating fungi. You can buy HIRO Diapers . You can see HIRO’s original kickstarter, including video pitch, . Miki recommends checking out the for ideas of companies to create. HIRO’s launch and technology. Miki also started (period underwear) and (bidets). More about Miki Agrawal is the creative force behind acclaimed social enterprises TUSHY (the modern bidet brand), THINX (period-proof underwear), and WILD (NYC’s first gluten-free pizza concept), collectively valued at over $250 million. Miki is the author of best-selling books "DO COOL SH*T" and "DISRUPT-HER”. Her latest company HIRO is a revolutionary nature-based start-up harnessing ancient technology - fungi - to help solve the global plastic crisis. Their first product is a baby diaper that returns to the earth with the help of friendly fungi. (They chose diapers to launch with because they’re the #1 household plastic waste item that takes 400+ years to decompose in a landfill - and each baby uses ~6,000 diapers in their lifetime. Wild, right?) HIRO Diapers starts returning to the earth with the help of fungi - and they’re soft, safe, high-performing and ready to change the game. Recognized as one of Fast Company's "Most Creative People," a "Young Global Leader" by the World Economic Forum, and named one of INC's "Most Impressive Women Entrepreneurs," Miki brings a wealth of experience and expertise to the stage as a keynote speaker. Her authentic talks have been validated by audiences at MindValley, EO, and Capitalism.com, who have voted for her as the #1 best speaker among hundreds of speakers. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38591085

Raising Capital for Alt-Protein in the Midst of the Winter 10/01/2025

Raising Capital for Alt-Protein in the Midst of the Winter Recently had me as a guest on his show, the to talk about ’s . When it came out, more than one Business for Good listener heard it and told me they thought it would make a good episode to release to our audience too, so this episode is simply the conversation Alex and I had for his podcast. If you’ve been following the alternative protein sector (and the broader biotech sector), you’ve likely seen the wave of challenges that fermentation, cultivated, and plant-based startups have faced over the past few years. As recent reporting confirms, ag and food tech investment is at a decade-long low. One active food tech VC even that foodtech investing is “maybe as bad as it’s ever been.” Some days, building a startup in our sector can feel like being a player in Squid Game—with about the same odds of survival. While layoffs, bankruptcies, shutdowns, and cash-free acquisitions have been rampant in our sector lately, BMC has never conducted layoffs. Instead we’ve always been very frugal, and we tightened our belt even further in the past year, all while continuing to make important progress toward our aspirations of slashing humanity’s footprint on the planet. This has been true in the midst of the we endured, the collapse of our bank and subsequent (temporary) , the painfully wintry investment climate for alt-protein, and other seemingly innumerable challenges. Our ethic of frugality will certainly continue in this new era of scaleup for our company. This financing is hardly the end of our story. Receiving investor dollars isn’t our goal; it’s solely a means to the end of building a profitable business that will help put a dent in the number of animals raised for food. Raising a round is akin to having someone provide the clothes, tents, and food you’ll need to climb Everest…but you still need to actually go climb the mountain—hardly a guaranteed outcome. I’ve often said these days that we’ve shifted from what felt like a Sispyphean feat of fundraising to now merely a Herculean feat of scaling. Nearly all startups fail. The vast majority never see their seventh birthday, which BMC recently celebrated. Our company is still far from successful, but we now have a real chance to birth into the world a novel crop that can help feed humanity without frying the planet. We will judiciously use these new funds to work hard to finally let the Rhiza River flow. Alex and I discuss the story of how this funding round came about, and where we may be going from here. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38418030

Bottling the Sky: Aircapture’s Carbon Capture Breakthrough 09/15/2025

Bottling the Sky: Aircapture’s Carbon Capture Breakthrough When you think about climate change solutions, your mind might go to renewable energy, electric vehicles, or eating less meat. These are all of course important. But even if we stopped all emissions today, we’d still have too much CO2 in the atmosphere and would need to pull a lot of our emissions out of it. That’s the bold mission of , a California-based company pioneering modular direct air capture technology. On this episode, I speak with , Aircapture’s founder and CEO, about how his company is not only working to reduce atmospheric CO₂, but also profitably supplying it to industries that rely on the gas today—like beverage makers, greenhouses, and more. Instead of relying on fossil fuel byproducts or ethanol fermentation for their CO₂, companies can now get a cleaner, more reliable, and often cheaper supply directly from the air. Matt explains how Aircapture’s approach differs from traditional large-scale carbon capture projects by focusing on on-site, modular units that can be shipped in a container and installed within weeks. These systems already commercially operate in the U.S., Europe, the Middle East, and Asia, giving customers local CO₂ while shrinking supply chain emissions. We dig into the economics of direct air capture, the climate math of whether it truly reduces atmospheric carbon, and the criticisms that it could provide a “moral license” to keep burning fossil fuels. Matt also shares how Aircapture recently raised a —during a tough climate tech funding market—and what gives investors confidence that their model will scale where others have stumbled. If you’ve ever wondered whether pulling CO₂ out of thin air is realistic—or just hype—this conversation will give you a fascinating inside look. Discussed in this episode Our with Make Sunsets about sulfur dioxide injections into the atmosphere. We’ve done other episodes on geoengineering, for example on olivine spreading ( and ), sulfur dioxide injections (), direct carbon capture (). Al Gore’s about direct air capture. Matt recommends reading . Paul recommends Dan Carlin’s . Matt reflects on his earlier work with and why he thinks wastewater treatment improvements are so important. Paul suggests tackling wastewater treatment with Neurospora species, as discussed , , , and elsewhere. Get to Know Matt Atwood Matt is a technologist, chemist, entrepreneur and pioneer in the DAC space. He has over 20 years experience in renewable and climate technology development and over a decade of experience with DAC and CO2 utilization technologies. Matt developed the world's first energy-positive wastewater treatment platform as Founder & CEO of Algae Systems. He has built and commercialized technologies in CO2, water, AgTech, waste treatment, and biofuels. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38215820

Inside Mighty Earth: Glenn Hurowitz on Transforming the Meat Industry 09/01/2025

Inside Mighty Earth: Glenn Hurowitz on Transforming the Meat Industry What if the biggest environmental culprits were hiding in plain sight—right on our dinner plates? While most environmental organizations train their sights on the energy sector, Mighty Earth has taken a bold, and often lonely, stand in confronting the meat industry’s massive role in climate change, deforestation, and biodiversity loss. In this episode, I sit down with Glenn Hurowitz, founder and CEO of , to unpack why the meat industry typically gets ignored by the environmental movement, and what he thinks needs to be done. Glenn has spent decades fighting for the planet, from working on federal public policy in Congress to launching that aim to guide the world’s largest food companies toward more sustainable practices. In our conversation, he explains why mainstream NGOs often shy away from challenging the meat industry, and how Mighty Earth’s strategy—focusing on supply chains, corporate accountability, and the expansion of animal-free proteins—aims to fill that void. We also dive into Mighty Earth’s campaign to help supermarkets treat plant-based proteins not as niche novelties, but as core offerings. Glenn shares how enhanced meat products (think burgers that are part beef, part mycelium) can be a bigger environmental win than pure plant-based options alone, and why shifting market incentives—not just consumer behavior—is key to making real progress. If you care about climate action, animal welfare, or food innovation, this episode may challenge you to think bigger—and act smarter—about what it really takes to feed humanity sustainably. Discussed in this episode Glenn and Paul recommend the good work of . Our with author Mike Grunwald. Quorn mycoprotein patties at near price parity with chicken. Glenn references the Sierra Club’s . Mighty Earth’s to guide supermarkets to do better on meat. Paul mentions that , largely due to meat demand JBS’s in Spanish cultivated meat production. Glenn’s 2007 book, . Glenn and Paul both recommend reading . The on nature finance Get to Know Glenn Hurowitz Glenn Hurowitz is the Founder and CEO of Mighty Earth, and has led environmental campaigns around the world for many years. He is a globally recognized leader on forests, agriculture, and climate change, and running strategic campaigns. He has played a leading role in transforming several industries, including the 90% reduction in deforestation for palm oil, establishment of new policies and practices for the entire rubber industry, and serious action in meat, steel, and elsewhere. In his previous role as Chair of the Forest Heroes campaign, he and his colleagues won the Benny Award from the Business Ethics Network for their successes in transforming global agriculture. He co-founded Chain Reaction Research, which provides major financial institutions with in-depth risk analysis of companies’ sustainability risk. Glenn advises philanthropies, governments and non-profit organizations on strategy. Glenn has also worked extensively in politics. He is the author of the critically-acclaimed book Fear and Courage in the Democratic Party, and his writing has appeared in The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Nation, Politico, The American Prospect. He’s appeared on many national media outlets, including CNN, MSNBC, FOX, CBS, and NPR. He is a graduate of the Green Corps fellowship and Yale University, worked previously as Managing Director of Waxman Strategies, among other senior roles in the environmental movement. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/38024395

Turning Waste into Bioplastic Gold with Genecis CEO Luna Yu 08/15/2025

Turning Waste into Bioplastic Gold with Genecis CEO Luna Yu It’s rare that we contemplate where all the plastic we throw out goes, but rest assured that nearly none of it is being recycled. Simply put, it’s usually cheaper to make new plastic than to recycle old plastic, even the plastic you put in the recycling bin. Because it takes plastic centuries to break down, this means for each one of us you could build a mountain of plastic from all the packaging we use over the course of our lives. But what if plastic didn’t have to take centuries to break down, and could actually biodegrade in a matter of days or weeks? That’s exactly the vision Luna Yu is bringing to life as founder and CEO of , a biotech company using fermentation to transform food waste into high-performance, truly compostable bioplastics. In this episode, Luna joins us—at 1 a.m. her time from a manufacturing run in China—to share the story behind Genecis, from her early days as a teenage entrepreneur in Canada to raising $17 million for her startup in the climate tech world. Luna walks us through how Genecis engineers microbes to turn low-cost industrial waste streams like glycerol into PHA, a biodegradable plastic alternative that’s already being used in consumer products like . We discuss why Genecis is taking a direct-to-consumer approach, how they’re preparing to launch in Sprouts nationwide, and what it will take to make sustainable plastics cost-competitive with petroleum-based ones. We also dive into Luna’s big bets on the future—including cell-free biology, the promise of enzyme-only production systems, and her vision for a world where the most convenient option is also the most sustainable. If you’re curious about the intersection of synthetic biology, circular economy, and product design—or you just want to hear from someone reshaping the future of plastic—this episode is for you. Discussed in this episode You can learn more about Genecis' technology by reading their patents and patent applications . Luna is very inspired by . Genecis is backed and is a graduate of the accelerator. CJ Biomaterials PHA via fermentation. Plastic has only been around since the 1950s but we believe it lasts for centuries. How do we know? Researchers simulate environmental exposure in labs by increasing UV radiation, temperature, moisture, and mechanical stress to accelerate plastic breakdown. They analyze how the polymer chains degrade and extrapolate those results to estimate natural-world decay timelines. Get to Know Luna Yu Luna Yu is the CEO of Genecis Bioindustries. She completed her Bachelors and Masters in Environmental Science at the age of 21 at the University of Toronto. During her Undergrad, Luna co-founded, grew and exited from two profitable software startups. The exciting advancements in fields of synthetic biology, bioinformatics, and machine learning led her to infuse her passion and experience together. This created Genecis, where biotechnology enables the conversion of food waste into high value materials. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/37834165

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Unstoppable Entrepreneurs: Lori Rosenkopf on the Many Paths to Startup Success 06/01/2025

Unstoppable Entrepreneurs: Lori Rosenkopf on the Many Paths to Startup Success This episode’s guest is someone who’s spent her career studying—and championing—entrepreneurs who don’t always fit the Silicon Valley mold. Dr. Lori Rosenkopf is the Vice Dean of Entrepreneurship at the Wharton School and the author of the new book . In this short guide, Lori explores how success doesn’t have to mean dropping out of college to start a venture-backed unicorn in your garage. Instead, she highlights seven distinct paths that entrepreneurs can take to build impactful ventures, whether they’re bootstrapped, mission-driven, or even working within larger companies. Drawing on her years of research and mentoring at one of the world’s top business schools, Lori introduces what she calls the “Six Rs” of entrepreneurial mindset—Reason, Relationships, Resilience, Resources, Results, and Recombination—as core principles that help explain why some founders succeed where others falter. In this conversation, we talk about the entrepreneurs Lori profiled in her book—from disruptors and acquirers to accidental founders—and what their stories can teach us about resilience and innovation. If you’ve ever thought “I’m not the typical entrepreneur,” perhaps Lori will convince you that maybe there’s no such thing. Discussed in this episode Lori discusses the work of and its CEO . Paul recommends reading and . Wharton offers curriculum in Entrepreneurship & Innovation for both and . The is Penn’s home for student entrepreneurs. Some entrepreneurs rely on rather than equity investments. The is a global competition that challenges university students to develop innovative social enterprises that address pressing global issues. Get to know Lori Rosenkopf Lori Rosenkopf is the Simon and Midge Palley Professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. As Vice Dean for Entrepreneurship, she serves as Wharton’s faculty director for Venture Lab, Penn’s home for student entrepreneurs, and also their San Francisco campus. In a prior role as Vice Dean of Wharton’s Undergraduate Division, she introduced a new curriculum and developed experiential classwork in the tech sector. For over thirty years, Rosenkopf has taught entrepreneurship and management of technology to more than 20,000 high schoolers, undergraduates, MBAs, and executives, connecting these learners to many of the most entrepreneurial alumni at Wharton and Penn through treks, panels, and classes. Rosenkopf received her PhD in Management of Organizations from Columbia University, her MS in Operations Research from Stanford University, and her BS in Operations Research and Industrial Engineering from Cornell University. She worked as a systems engineer at AT&T Bell Laboratories and Eastman Kodak between her degrees. Rosenkopf lives in Philadelphia with her partner, Allan, and their dog, Winston. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/36800410

The Crazy Rock Lady: How Eion is Turning Crushed Rocks into Climate Gold 05/15/2025

The Crazy Rock Lady: How Eion is Turning Crushed Rocks into Climate Gold You’ve heard of carbon capture machines, but what if one of the most powerful tools for removing CO₂ from the atmosphere isn’t high-tech at all—just crushed rock and rain? Meet Ana Pavlovic, CEO of and the self-described “Crazy Rock Lady.” Her company is pioneering a process called enhanced rock weathering, which uses the natural properties of a green volcanic mineral called olivine to pull carbon dioxide out of the air and lock it away—permanently. The best part? They do it on farmland, replacing conventional agricultural lime with olivine. The result is a two-for-one win: healthier soil for farmers and long-term carbon removal for the planet. It’s nature’s chemistry, accelerated—and rigorously measured using Eion’s core technology, what they call a “soil fingerprinting” measurement technique. In this episode, Ana explains how Eion is turning geology into climate cash, why they’re focusing on agriculture instead of oceans, and how they secured a $33 million carbon removal deal from Frontier, the coalition backed by Stripe, Shopify, and Meta. We also talk about farmer adoption, measurement challenges, and why Ana believes carbon removal can be both scientifically credible and scalable. So if you’re interested in the wild new world of carbon markets, the surprising magic of crushed rocks, and what it takes to scale a climate startup from idea to impact, you’ll dig this conversation. Let’s rock. Discussed in this episode The : “Potential for large-scale CO2 removal via enhanced rock weathering with croplands” Eion’s with Frontier and its . Eion’s for a soil fingerprinting verification technique Our on enhanced rock weathering with Kelly Erhart from Vesta. Ana recommends reading . More about Anastasia Pavlovic Anastasia Pavlovic brings deep expertise in global operations and software with a passion for driving global change through local impact. Before joining Eion, Pavlovic led operations, commercialization, and growth for the Agoro Carbon Alliance, which works with farmers to sequester carbon in soil. Prior to the Alliance, Pavlovic commercialized software solutions in the US and Canada for Yara's Digital Farming organization. She has worked for venture-backed software companies scaling agtech and security products around the world. From West Virginia, Pavlovic holds dual B.S. degrees in Electrical Engineering and Systems Engineering. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/36574215

Vedge of Glory: How Two Plant-Based Restaurateurs Have Survived for Decades 05/01/2025

The Venture Capitalist Who Wants You to Donate More to Charity 04/15/2025

The Venture Capitalist Who Wants You to Donate More to Charity Nick Cooney is one of the most prolific investors in food and ag tech. As the founder of , he’s helped deploy nearly $80 million from his first fund and has now toward his second $100 million fund. He’s backed companies across the spectrum of sustainable protein—plant-based meat, cultivated meat, fermentation-derived proteins (including, in full disclosure, my own company, ), and more. But despite his deep roots in venture capital, Nick’s latest project is about something very different: giving money away with no expectation of any financial return. In his new book, , from Simon & Schuster and Regalo Press, Nick challenges the reader with a bold moral argument: it’s not enough to simply avoid doing harm—we have a responsibility to proactively reduce suffering where we can, including suffering we didn’t cause. That includes using our time, our talents, and yes, our money, to help others—especially those we’ll never meet. So how much should we be giving? While philosopher Peter Singer proposes 10% of your income as a moral benchmark, and Jesus went even further, telling his followers to sell everything and give to the poor, Nick stakes out a middle ground somewhere between Singer and Jesus of Nazareth: give until you feel it. Not until it hurts, necessarily—but enough that it makes a noticeable impact on your life. Because that impact could be life-changing—or even life-saving—for someone else. In this episode, Nick and I dive into the ideas behind What We Don’t Do, and why our inactions—what we don’t do—may be among the biggest sources of preventable suffering in the world. We explore the psychology behind why it feels easier to forgive inaction than harmful action, and how we can train ourselves to think differently. We also discuss the current state of the alt-protein industry, Nick's analysis of why venture capital has cooled off on the space in recent years, and what it’ll take to bring investors back to the table. It’s a rich and rewarding conversation with one of the most influential thinkers in the future of food. I found What We Don’t Do to be both thought-provoking and motivating, and I think you’ll feel the same. Whether you're a founder, a funder, or just someone who wants to do a little—or a lot—more good in the world, this episode is for you. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/36140045

No Palm, No Problem: Fermenting the Future of Fat 04/01/2025

No Palm, No Problem: Fermenting the Future of Fat Palm oil is everywhere—from food to cosmetics to biofuels—but its production is a leading cause of deforestation, habitat destruction, and greenhouse gas emissions. What if we could have all the benefits of palm oil without the downsides? Enter , a Dutch biotech startup using fermentation to produce a sustainable alternative to palm oil—without the need for palm trees. Instead of chopping down rainforests, they’re upcycling agricultural waste, feeding it to their specialty yeast, and brewing a fat with the same characteristics as high-end palm oil in the process. The company’s raised €6 million to date and has already done a trial run of its process in a massive 120,000-liter fermenter. In this episode, I’m joined by NoPalm’s CEO, Lars Langhout, to talk about how microbial oils can disrupt a $60 billion industry, whether fermentation is the future of fats, and the challenges of scaling a sustainable solution. Could NoPalm Ingredients make deforestation-free oils the new norm? If they have their way, perhaps so. Discussed in this episode The that inspired Lars to start NoPalm Ingredients. Lars was also inspired by CEO . Lars recommends reading and Our past episodes with (tree-free wood) and (wood-fed meat). Get to know Lars Langhout Lars Langhout is the co-founder and CEO of NoPalm Ingredients, a biotech pioneer company he established in 2021 alongside Prof. Dr. Jeroen Hugenholtz. Leveraging his background in strategy consulting and an MBA (CBS '16), Lars leads the team in developing sustainable, locally produced alternatives to palm oil. Under his leadership, NoPalm Ingredients has achieved significant milestones, including scaling their fermentation process from benchtop experiments to industrial-scale production of 120m3 within three years. This innovative approach transforms agri-food side streams into high-quality, food-grade palm-oil alternatives. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35951415

Turning Air Into Butter: Savor’s Revolutionary Approach to Alternative Fats 03/20/2025

Turning Air Into Butter: Savor’s Revolutionary Approach to Alternative Fats What if the fat in your butter, cheese, or even burger could be made without animals, without plants, without fermentation, and without agriculture at all? That’s exactly what is doing. Using a groundbreaking process that transforms compounds like CO₂ and elements like hydrogen into rich, animal-free fats that can mimic what animal fat does, this California-based startup is rethinking how we produce and consume one of the most essential ingredients in food. In this episode, I sit down with Kathleen Alexander, cofounder and CEO of Savor, to dive into the science behind their innovative fat production, why alternative fats could be the next big breakthrough in food tech, and how their approach could help fight climate change while making all types of foods, including plant-based meats and dairy, taste even better. So far the company has raised more than $30 million in venture capital, including from Bill Gates, and is now gearing up to start selling its new fat in restaurants and bakeries within 2025. Will humanity be able to divorce food production from agriculture? If Savor succeeds, that just might be the case. Discussed in this episode Katheeen co-authored the paper . Savor was incubated by . with Pivot Bio president Lisa Nunez Safarian. Kathleen and Paul both recommend and . Kathleen recommends Long Life, . on Savor’s technology. More about Kathleen Alexander has a strong background in materials science and engineering. She has worked in various roles, including as a CTO and CEO at Savor, a Project Director at Orca Sciences, and a Climate Solutions Consultant at KCA Research, Inc. Kathleen has a proven track record of designing and implementing innovative projects for climate solutions, with a focus on greenhouse gas reduction technologies. She has also conducted extensive research and modeling in the field of materials science, particularly in areas related to electrochemistry and battery performance. Kathleen's academic background includes a PhD in Materials Science & Engineering from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, further showcasing her expertise in the field. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35663820

Cleaner Air from Better Plants: The Neoplants Story 03/01/2025

Cleaner Air from Better Plants: The Neoplants Story We spend about 90 percent of our lives indoors, yet the air inside our homes and offices is often far more polluted than the air outside. Volatile organic compounds—better known as VOCs—are constantly emitted by furniture, cleaning products, and even the very walls around us. Formaldehyde, benzene, toluene—these chemicals sound like something you’d find in an industrial park, but they’re actually in the places where we eat, sleep, and work. Well, what if nature could give us a hand here? What if plants, and even microbes, could be supercharged to clean our air at a level that truly makes a difference? That’s exactly the mission of today’s guest: Patrick Torbey, CEO and co-founder of . His company is using synthetic biology to enhance houseplants and their soil microbes with built-in air purification superpowers. Right now, they are offering microbial powders called to mix with water and sprinkle onto the soil of your own houseplants to super-charge their air purifying capacity. I already mine and am using them now. They also offer , which is their all-in-one plant and microbe duo, including a Marble Queen Pothos. The bottom line is that they claim their technology can make plants up to 30 times more effective at cleaning the air in our homes and offices than the plants we currently have today. Their systems don’t just filter air pollution but actually metabolize it into harmless compounds. In this episode, Patrick and I have a wide-ranging conversation about topics like synthetic biology, science fiction, nature vs. nurture, and of course, how his company’s tech will both make money and make the world a better place. Already the company has raised more than $20 million in venture capital, with more still yet to come. So, if you’ve ever wondered how science, business, and sustainability can come together to solve a problem hiding in plain sight—or in this case, plain smell—you won’t want to miss this conversation. Discussed in this episode You can order Neoplants’ microbes for your houseplants’ soil . Our past podcast episodes with (nitrogen-enhancing microbes) and (rapid-growth trees). Patrick discussed how reading changed his life. There was also a 1980 TV Series by Sagan called and an in 2014 by Neil deGrasse Tyson. Patrick discusses how outside cities to improve air quality. Patrick recommends reading science fiction, leading Paul to recommend a book he recently read, by Arthur C. Clarke. More about Patrick Torbey Patrick Torbey is the co-founder and CEO of Neoplants, a Paris-based synthetic biology startup, engineering plants’ genomes and microbiomes to have a positive impact on the air we breathe. Patrick has a PhD in genetic editing from ENS Paris, his expertise spans molecular biology, biotechnology, and entrepreneurship. He drove Neoplants R&D efforts for many years as CTO, and is now leading the company. Patrick is passionate about taking the “fi” out of “sci-fi.” He is fascinated by the potential of deep technologies to change the world for the better, and convinced that we need more and better GMOs to face the challenges of today in a sustainable way. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35489020

Helping Alt-Protein Startups Survive the Winter: Ahimsa’s Consolidation Approach 02/15/2025

Helping Alt-Protein Startups Survive the Winter: Ahimsa’s Consolidation Approach It’s no secret that the alternative protein startups are struggling these days. A combination of lower revenue, intense competition, and less available venture capital is leading to a contraction in the sector, with countless alt-meat and dairy companies conducting layoffs, declaring bankruptcy, and even folding altogether. Enter , a newly formed investment group acquiring promising but distressed plant-based brands. This isn’t charity, though. Ahimsa's belief is that, with their consolidation strategy and pooled resources, these brands that are built on a strong underlying product can become profitable under the Ahimsa umbrella. As Ahimsa CEO says in this conversation, pendulums swing, and many of these companies can be brought to profitability, meaning they could ultimately be sold at a much higher price than their valuation during this period in which plant-based products are in the valley. So far the company has acquired , , , an Ohio plant-based foods , and more. Matt is a man of many talents, as you’ll hear in this episode. In addition to being CEO of Ahimsa Companies, he founded and sold his own education tech company, and is also the co-founder and CEO of , the parent company of supplement company and of . He’s both a missionary for plant-based lifestyles and a mercenary seeking to combine his passion for plant-based foods with profit. Discussed in this episode Ahimsa Companies is for plant-based startups to acquire. an analysis of their strategy and history. in which he describes Ahimsa’s goal by declaring that “we’ve got to step up and try to help these companies survive.” about Ahimsa’s acquisition of the Plant Plant in Ohio. Both Paul and Matt are interested in human-nonhuman communication, something Noa Weiss discussed on a . Matt recommends reading both and . Matt also recommends Paul Graham’s essay, . More about Matt Tullman Matt is the co-founder and Group CEO of the – a private equity firm acquiring and operating best-in-class plant-based food and manufacturing companies. He is also the co-founder and CEO of Outlier Health, the parent company of and , which have served nearly 13 million people just in the past three years. He’s also an investor in health/food/bev startups, and a contributor to Inc. Magazine. Previously Matt founded a ed-tech firm that was ultimately acquired by Stride Education (NYSE: LRN). Matt is most proud of bootstrapping a business that was named to the Inc. 500 list of fastest growing companies in 2021. He has dedicated his career to growing nutrition-first health companies to help catalyze the movement to a plant-based lifestyle for the mainstream consumer. /episode/index/show/businessforgoodpodcast/id/35290760

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