Commercial Real Estate Pro Network
Commercial Real Estate Professionals who work with Investors, Buyers and Sellers of Commercial Real Estate. We discuss todays opportunities, problems & solutions in Commercial Real Estate.
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Commercial Real Estate Financing Options with George Otel - CRE PN #520
09/11/2025
Commercial Real Estate Financing Options with George Otel - CRE PN #520
Today, my guest is George Otel. George is the seasoned entrepreneur with over 10 years of experience in real estate and finance, and in just a minute, we're going to speak with George Otel about business finance.
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BIGGEST RISK with George Otel
09/09/2025
BIGGEST RISK with George Otel
J Darrin Gross If you're willing, I'd like to ask you, George Otel, what is the BIGGEST RISK? George Otel The biggest risk when it comes to funding, is not looking for funding early enough, because the biggest risk is when people call me that they need funding yesterday. So it's I tell people you always have to look for funding, even if you don't need it, because when you need it, you may not find it where you may be. Tweaks. Expensive because of your situation. Let's say you got to look for funding when you're doing good, when you're doing great, because the lenders see less risk in you, because when, when you desperate, you you have a need your fire, fire you're burning, then that's a risk. So for the risk, they want to get more premium. So that's, that's how it works. The biggest risk is like, if, if you always got to look for funding, because it's you got to have funding options lined up, because you always growing. You're looking for equipment, you're looking for working capital, even lines of credit. We have lines of credit. So I tell people you rather have those lines of credit and not use it, then you need it and you don't have it, because that's that's another thing. So for example, there's a lot of loans do right right now for the there's a lot of balloons, though, and banks will like to when you approach them, like five, six months in advance to your balloon. You don't want to wait two months because it's too late. It's going to take two, three months to go to the process. So once the balloon is done, it's you're going to be in default. So it's because you got to refinance before that. So the biggest risk is not looking for funding early enough. And again, in good times, the banks, local banks, are really good. I love my local banks, but we are in uncertain times, a lot of volatility, and they don't like risk, so they avoid risk. Also private money lenders, they more risk. They have more appetite for the risk. And there is a small premium, and obviously it's worth it, because you'd rather pay a small premium and get your funding lined up, then have no funding option and be in a unpleasant situation. So also working with a funding finance broker like our company, because we have multiple options lined up. So basically, when the clients come to us in 1015, minutes conversation, initial conversation, we present them multiple funding option. We ask them about how they position their assets, the cash flow, how everything works. Then we present the Multiple option, because when you go to the bank, to to the local bank, they give you one option, and he said yes or no, but we have different options lined up. So if this one doesn't work, we're moving to the next and so on, until you get the funding and you getting the to the results you you need.
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Virtual Assistants for Real Estate Focused Businesses with Pete Neubig - CRE PN #519
09/04/2025
Virtual Assistants for Real Estate Focused Businesses with Pete Neubig - CRE PN #519
Today, my guest is Pete Neubig. Pete is the co founder and CEO of VPM solutions, and in just a minute, we're going to speak with Pete Neubig about the Benefits of Hiring a Remote Team.
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BIGGEST RISK with Pete Neubig
09/02/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Pete Neubig
J Darrin Gross If you're willing, I'd like to ask you. Pete Neubig, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Pete Neubig So the biggest risk for VPM, well, I would say for us, the biggest risk is, at the end of the day, we're a payment processor, okay? You know, even though we have all these whistles and bells where you have this marketplace and you have these searches and you have this training, you have this video, if I can't pay people, I'm out of business. And so my biggest risk is that we are connected to stripe, and if stripe decides to cancel or go belly up. You know that I cannot process payroll. So to me, that's my biggest risk. So I do what I can to make sure that my relationship with stripe is good. And you know the challenge with having a payment processor, it's not normal to have two of them, and so we don't have to payment process. That's my biggest risk.
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Interior Design Space Planning for Multifamily Housing with Marcy Sagel - CRE PN #518
08/28/2025
Interior Design Space Planning for Multifamily Housing with Marcy Sagel - CRE PN #518
Today, my guest is Marcy Sagel. She's the founder and principal of MSA interiors, with over 30 years of experience shaping multifamily housing, student living and senior housing and more. And in just a minute, we're going to speak with Marcy Sagel about From Blueprints to Brilliance, designing multi family spaces that rent.
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BIGGEST RISK with Marcy Sagel
08/26/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Marcy Sagel
J Darrin Gross I'd like to ask you, Marcy Sagel, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Marcy Sagel I'm going to answer that in a few parts, because there's different aspects of the job that can be different risks. So when we pick materials for a project, we have to make sure we're working with tried and true materials, okay, materials that are not going to fail on a job, for instance, in the units, if we select a, you know, vinyl plank flooring, we want to make sure it's going to last. So we only work with manufacturers that we know are going to give us a solid product, not we're not trying to test some new product on different people. We really want to make sure that those stand the test of time from a risk standpoint. So that's probably one of the biggest things. The second thing is the furniture. We also specify all of the furniture, and are an installation. So we put all of the furniture into warehouses, and we have to make sure that the warehouses are bonded and insured and going to be doing replacement if there's any problems. And we use it. We use warehousing all over the country, and so we do a lot of due diligence to make sure that risk is minimal, and we work with a lot of the same vendors so that we make sure that we have very, very, very solid in warehousing around the country. Really, really important to our job. There's so many aspects of that the material goods that we order are sent directly to those warehouses. They have them come in on camera. They're signed for. If there's any look or damage to any box or item or palette, they immediately are under record with us to open it up, inspect it and give us a photo and report immediately, within 24 hours, so that we can report it to the manufacturer, and we want to make sure that our, you know, installations go as smoothly as possible. We have a really good track record with that, and the reason we do is because we use really good receivers. They receive it, they're knowledgeable. They take a picture of everything coming in, it's got an item number, it's got a quantity number, and then we have it on record that we can then log into their software and see all of those items online and match it up to our spreadsheets. It's very, very, very organized, and we like it that way, so we only work with groups that are very organized and can follow sort of the regiment that we're used to, so that we can minimize any of the risk.
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Workforce Housing Community Development with Lissette Calderon - CRE PN #517
08/21/2025
Workforce Housing Community Development with Lissette Calderon - CRE PN #517
Today, my guest is Lissette Calderon. Lissette is the founder and CEO of Neology Group, a vertically integrated, lifestyle driven residential and commercial real estate firm that specializes in transforming undervalued neighborhoods into sought after communities, and in just a minute, we're going to speak with Lissette Calderon about solving for housing's greatest need, a focus on workforce communities.
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BIGGEST RISK with Lissette Calderon
08/19/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Lissette Calderon
J Darrin Gross If you're willing, I'd like to ask you. Lissette Calderon, What is the BIGGEST RISK? Lissette Calderon Well, I think in today's world, probably the biggest risk you have is uncertainty. And how do you underwrite uncertainty? You know what happens next? How do you underwrite whether it's Harris insurance numbers, construction costs, what does that uncertainly look like, and what, how do you underwrite that? So, you know, how do we do it? You know, we really can't avoid it because, you know, we're developers. So of course, our job is, you know, we really think about a how do we minimize it? So we make sure that, you know, every project, you know, is built, oftentimes, by the same team, the same architect, the same project, and, you know, same contractor, and so forth. And then, you know, we enter into a guaranteed maximum price contract, so ahead of time, we already know what that number is going to look like. Of course, we're building contingencies. So we minimize those uncertainties, so that that's, that's always the hard part, and then in terms of, you know, transferring the risk, and then the insurance, and that's probably how you get to a little bit of the avoiding the risk. You know, especially in South Florida, one of the things that people always talk about is kind of like sea level rise, flood level and how does climate play into what we're doing? Well, I can't move our projects out of South Florida because they're in South Florida, you know, the, you know, number of our projects. So in terms of transferring the risk, you know, we think about Master policies. Our projects are on master policies. So again, we're looking at the risk, kind of throughout the entire portfolio, not just on one independent portfolio and that that has been, you know, very effective for us in terms of mitigating our insurance expenses. Because really, the two biggest uncontrollables that we have as operators are real estate taxes and insurance. So real estate taxes, we've really been able to address that in Florida through, you know, kind of this statutory. Uh, you know, or an instance now that live local, and, you know, we're really able to address that and work with that. And then, from an insurance standpoint, it's always, you know, the next big challenge. And the way insurance numbers, you know, have gone up historically, and we've been able to mitigate that through the master policy and, you know, and how do we avoid, to the extent possible, avoiding is we build really well, you know. So we've got the flood panels, and we build that the right elevations, and we put in, you know, kind of the right, you know, glazing and glass and everything that Mills meets or exceeds the South Florida building codes. And then, you know, we try to go into neighborhoods that we know make sense from a you know, kind of climate standpoint. So Isla pad is up on a ridge. And so we really take into account a lot of these things, and we think about it. And, you know, it's always very exciting to us, you know, after, you know, a big storm, you know, where you'll see kind of flooding on the streets, and some of these pictures that go nationally, our areas, you know, are immediately dry right after the storm, so it's, you know, and I guess that's how we probably avoid it. We build in great locations, and we build a great product, you know, how do we minimize it? We get into, like, you know, guaranteed maximum price, and really kind of understand what the uncertainty and really try to mitigate that uncertainty. And then, terms of transferring, it's, you know, we look at master policies and how we put those in place.
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Commercial Real Estate Career Success Skills with Allen Buchanan - CRE PN #516
08/14/2025
Commercial Real Estate Career Success Skills with Allen Buchanan - CRE PN #516
Today, my guest is Allen Buchanan. Allen Buchanan is an S, I, O, R, and is a nationally recognized commercial real estate broker, columnist, speaker and creator of the sequence success framework. He's also a principal at Lee and Associates in Orange County, California, and in just a minute, we're going to speak with Allen Buchanan about building a successful career in commercial real estate.
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BIGGEST RISK with Allen Buchanan
08/12/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Allen Buchanan
J Darrin Gross If you're willing, I'd like to ask you. Allen Buchanan, What is the BIGGEST RISK? Allen Buchanan Darrin, for me, the BIGGEST RISK is relevance. And I use this in a micro sense, in a macro sense. The micro sense is, I'm 68 years old, and so I realized that I'm on the back nine, maybe the last three holes of my career. And so maintaining relevance with those with whom I deal, first and foremost, family members, clients, friends, etc, there's then a relevance in terms of the commercial real estate profession. I know you've had guests on your podcast that specialize in artificial intelligence, and if you look at the ways in which artificial intelligence is chipping away at what all of us in the sales profession do, you'd have to realize that there's a greater risk that at some day, commercial real estate brokers become, you know, irrelevant. So to me, that's the biggest risk that we face, both on a micro and a macro level, going forward.
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Virtual Assistants Propel Real Estate Professionals Success with Bob Lachance - CRE PN #515
08/07/2025
Virtual Assistants Propel Real Estate Professionals Success with Bob Lachance - CRE PN #515
Today, my guest is Bob Lachance. Bob Lachance is the founder and CEO of , the leading virtual assistant staffing company for real estate investor professionals. Excuse me for real estate professionals, and in just a minute, we're going to speak with Bob LaChance about virtual assistants for real estate professionals.
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BIGGEST RISK with Bob Lachance
08/05/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Bob Lachance
J Darrin Gross I'd like to ask you. Bob Lachance, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Bob Lachance Well, for my virtual I'll give you two answers. My virtual assistant company, it is AI, so stepping ahead of that, and in being aware of that and training our virtual assistants be to become experts on that, that now gives me the insurance I need to stay in business as a real estate professional, I would say, you know, if your niche is rehabbing properties or niches commercial, train yourself on another niche, just in case something happens, right? So, for instance, in the residential real estate world, wholesaling is starting to become more challenging in some states. So if you're just a wholesaler as an example, start buying and holding to offset those risks. Start learning how to rehab to offset so offset those risks. So it's really putting more tools in your tool belt and whatever industry you're in. So I would say that would be, that'd be something to do. And I started real estate 21 years ago, and where you start is never where you end, right? I mean, you could probably attest to that, Darrin, you probably didn't start in insurance, insurance brokerage and things like that. You've probably gone through a series of experiences for you to get where you are now.
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Geothermal Heating Efficient Cooling Commercial Real Estate with Bryan Roberts - CRE PN #514
07/31/2025
Geothermal Heating Efficient Cooling Commercial Real Estate with Bryan Roberts - CRE PN #514
Today, my guest is Brian Roberts. Brian Roberts is with Dandelion where he serves as director of business development, and in just a minute, we're going to speak with Brian Roberts about high performance, Earth powered geothermal heating and cooling.
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BIGGEST RISK with Bryan Roberts
07/31/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Bryan Roberts
J Darrin Gross I'd like to ask you, Brian Roberts, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Bryan Roberts Yeah, of course, the biggest risk, one of the biggest risks, I would say, for geothermal HVAC systems is late integration into the project. If a developer brings us in after the mechanical engineering the MEP is finalized or or even well underway, we're. Often trying to retrofit a solution into a system that wasn't designed to support it. There can, at times, be a little bit of a knowledge gap. Many architects and engineers will default to legacy HVAC systems simply because that's what they're most familiar with. And we see some missed opportunities because geothermal wasn't on the table early enough. So I would say it's really important that we get involved in the conversation early. That's that's a huge risk for us to not be involved early enough. On the flip side, if, if I look at it from the developers perspective, those developers who don't go with geothermal, their risk is future obsolescence. You're looking with fossil fuel systems that may soon be out of code, that are unattractive to future buyers, or burden with expensive retrofit requirements and and on top of that, you're leaving major tax credits on the table that are available to offset the upfront costs and make it possible for you to enjoy lower operating costs over the long haul.
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Real Estate Investing with 30-Year Fixed Rate Loans with Adiel Gorel - CRE PN #513
07/24/2025
Real Estate Investing with 30-Year Fixed Rate Loans with Adiel Gorel - CRE PN #513
Today, my guest is Adiel Gorel. Adiel is one of the leading experts on real estate and real estate investment in the United States and around the world. He is the author of five books, including his Amazon bestseller, Remote Control, Retirement Riches. And in just a minute, we're going to going to speak with Adiel Gorel about The Miracle Real Estate investment, Sitting in Plain Sight.
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BIGGEST RISK with Adiel Gorel
07/22/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Adiel Gorel
J Darrin Gross Adiel Gorel, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Adiel Gorel With your permission, I'm going to riff the answer, not going to be one sentence, just a few sentences to me knowing what I know now, funnily enough, the biggest risk is doing nothing at all, because later in the future, you say, Oh, my God, I could have owned three houses. Okay, so doing nothing is a very big rate, but Okay, fine. Within the realm of actually doing stuff and buying rentals or buying property. To me, a big risk is buying junk and buying junk. It's easy to say, don't buy junk, but junk is very attractive. Why? Because people have a notion about cash flow, and typically, the worst the home, the worse the neighborhood, the worse the city on paper, the cash flow looks better. Life doesn't happen on paper. So the biggest risk is to buy junk. It's like in software, garbage, in garbage, out. I know people say, Well, we're gonna fix it. No, really is the was the fix up good? Okay, so to me, not buying new is a big risk, mitigating it. Buy new in good areas, but related to your sphere, I also consider it a risk to be under insured. You need to be well insured on your property and get the maximum liability insurance that your insurance agent can offer. Of course, we make it so that it all taken is taken care of for you. But I recommend never being, you know, under insured, because that's an opening for risk.
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Public Adjusting Insurance Claims with Andy Gurczak - CRE PN #512
07/17/2025
Public Adjusting Insurance Claims with Andy Gurczak - CRE PN #512
Today, my guest is Andy Gurczak. Andy is the founder of All City Adjusting, a licensed Public Adjusting firm with a focus on making sure the clients get what they truly deserve from their insurance claims. Ph: (708)655-4186
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BIGGEST RISK with Andy Gurczak
07/15/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Andy Gurczak
J Darrin Gross I'd like to ask you. Andy Gurczak, What is the BIGGEST RISK? Andy Gurczak Biggest Rsk? Cut me up. Cut me off guard, not you know what I'll say, not maintaining your home. I think a lot of people the biggest risk is people not maintaining their home, and then homes falling apart, having damage which they all expect the insurance to cover. And it's not, you know, singles falling off your window, caving in, you know, two by fours leading to the left, drywall peeling. Those are all prevented, like, those are all maintenance of your home. And so the biggest risk I I think, is, is just people then expecting the insurance company to be their warranty, their handyman and everything and and it be done for free, and you probably see it on your side too as an insurance broker. Ph: (708)655-4186
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Build to Rent Single Family Rentals with Richard Ross - CRE PN #511
07/10/2025
Build to Rent Single Family Rentals with Richard Ross - CRE PN #511
Today, my guest is Richard Ross. Richard is the CEO of Quinn Residences. Quinn Residences is a is a leading institutionally backed owner, operator and developer of dedicated Rental Communities in in the southeastern United States.
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BIGGEST RISK with Richard Ross
07/08/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Richard Ross
J Darrin Gross If you're willing, Richard Ross You're asking, what keeps me up at night is that? J Darrin Gross That's right. Richard gross, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Richard Ross So people in this business typically would say interest rates, and certainly the elevated level of rates has been a factor. My opinion on interest rates is, as long as they're stable, I can deal with them like I can price my product, if you will. What keeps me up at night today, and you sort of alluded to it, is regulation and legislation, particularly anti renter bias, and that's mostly local. I'm talking rent control. I'm talking prohibition against renting because somehow we are impeding people from buying homes. The facts don't bear that out. But you know, you can get a law passed that says you can only rent five homes and 100 home subdivision. Well, that's a problem for me. It's a problem for you, probably, as a owner of rental property. So that's, that's would be the biggest risk today is, is a sort of a myopic approach and an anti renter bias that a lot of local municipalities have.
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Multifamily Investing Pivots for 2025 with Vince Gethings - CRE PN #510
07/03/2025
Multifamily Investing Pivots for 2025 with Vince Gethings - CRE PN #510
Today, my guest is Vince Gethings. Vince is the co founder of and the owner of Wheelbarrow Profits Academy.
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BIGGEST RISK with Vince Gethings
07/01/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Vince Gethings
J Darrin Gross If you're willing, I'd like to ask you, Vince Gethings, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Vince Gethings What I've seen, it'd probably be over leverage. I know it's kind of the easy answer, but a lot of the issues that I've seen of people being forced their hand is forced to take action is because they're an over leveraged position and they don't have they don't have the working capital. They don't have the liquidity to kind of weather the storm. So they're being forced to take action where a lot of kind of more seasoned investors are sitting on their hands right now, and they can afford to do so, and they're not, they're not being forced to do, to buy or sell. So that, that is what I see right now. As far as the biggest risk of the people that you know we had, we had the survive to 25 mantra, all in the last two years. And that's the that's not working. So maybe it's survived for 26 527, but, um, but, and I think, I think that could have been a lot of that could have been prevented if just keeping keeping leverage in check. And, yeah, that's probably the, probably the biggest one. I can probably go half a dozen more, but that's one I'm going to go with.
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Delinquent Tax Investing with Brian Seidensticker - CRE PN #509
06/26/2025
Delinquent Tax Investing with Brian Seidensticker - CRE PN #509
Today, my guest is Brian Seidensticker. Brian Seidensticker, he founded , TSR in 2010 and in 2017 Brian partnered with software developer SDA solutions, a comprehensive workflow management system. And in 2020 Brian launched mount North Capital, a 506 C fund, providing capital to tax deed investors. And in just a minute, we're going to speak with Brian Seidensticker about Delinquent Tax Investing.
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BIGGEST RISK with Brian Seidensticker
06/24/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Brian Seidensticker
J Darrin Gross If you're willing, I'd like to ask you, Brian Seidensticker, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Brian Seidensticker I guess, you know, as far as buying tax deeds or the fund itself, it's for you to to, for me to interpret. Well, I think it's, it's from a tax, just tax sale properties, taxes and taxes in general, the biggest risk is the underlying property value, right? That That alone addresses the you know, is this, is this lien going to am I going to be able to make a return on this lien or this deed at the end of the day, or not? And that that is your number one risk? Right is, is assuming that you can, can make sure that your underwriting process addresses that right, and that you can't eliminate it, because things can happen right? I've certainly seen and been and been involved in a property that was purchased and then, for whatever reason, gets demoed, or, you know, has a fire break out, or whatever, what you thought that property value was right is no longer there, right? And so, you know, either your model has to address that loss, right, or you have to, you know, accommodate for that loss in value. And so, you know, for example, tax lien folks try to ensure that okay, the loss in value from things that could happen like that, ultimately, still, you know, if I'm willing to that property less than 5% a lot of things can happen and you're still okay. Right? In the worst case scenario, on the tax deed side, it's not that easy, right? A lot of things can happen, and all of a sudden you thought you're in a great position, and all of a sudden you're upside down. But managing that asset value, underlying asset value, is the number one risk by far.
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Self-Directed IRA Note Investing with Eddie Speed - CRE PN #508
06/19/2025
Self-Directed IRA Note Investing with Eddie Speed - CRE PN #508
Today, my guest is Eddie speed. Eddie speed is the founder of Note School, and in just a minute, we're going to speak with Eddie speed about opportunities in private, note investing.
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BIGGEST RISK with Eddie Speed
06/17/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Eddie Speed
J Darrin Gross I'd like to ask you. Eddie Speed, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Eddie Speed Losing my money and losing my money means that I bought a note and I don't get enough recovery to go pay off my investment and still make a yield. So that could be that that could relate to non performing notes. Performing notes, it does everything down the line. It's like at the end of the day. That is why I like buying first mortgages with a cushion between what the collateral is worth and what I invested in the note. And that's the simplest form to say at the end of the day. That's my safety net, that cushion between what the collateral is worth and what my investment is in that note.
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Return to Office Trends on Hospitality with Sundip Patel - CRE PN #507
06/12/2025
Return to Office Trends on Hospitality with Sundip Patel - CRE PN #507
Today, my guest is Sandeep. Patel Sundeep is the CEO and co founder of companies, an asset management and fintech firm that specializes in commercial real estate, private credit, lending and investing. And in just a minute, we're going to speak with Sundip about the impact of return to Office trends on the hospitality industry.
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BIGGEST RISK with Sundip Patel
06/10/2025
BIGGEST RISK with Sundip Patel
J Darrin Gross I'd like to ask you Sundip Patel, what is the BIGGEST RISK? Sundip Patel That's a great question. Darrin, by the way, so the biggest risk that I foresee, and in our business, is the underestimating of the impact of AI and to our business and everything we do, from assessing risk, evaluating risk, to, you know, funding that risk, the entire process. So we as a company have taken some bold steps to get ahead, to understand how we can apply AI and what it will mean. As as you remember when we started the conversation, my mission was to create jobs and maintain jobs. I live with that fear today, because you're asking me, what's the biggest risk? This is the risk that keeps me awake in the middle of the night when I think that I'm underestimating the true impact of AI that's coming really fast upon us and the sweeping impact it will have across all businesses, not just mine, but even others. And right now, I'm focused on making sure mine and my employees are upskilled and ready and changing fast so we can do more with less, but at least be ahead.
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AI in Real Estate with David Blumenfeld - CRE PN #506
06/05/2025
AI in Real Estate with David Blumenfeld - CRE PN #506
Today, my guest is David Blumenfeld. David is the co founder of , a Silicon Valley based consultancy dedicated to assisting traditional physical businesses and leveraging digital technologies. And in just a minute, we're going to speak with David Blumenfeld about how AI is transforming real estate.
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BIGGEST RISK with David Blumenfeld
06/03/2025
BIGGEST RISK with David Blumenfeld
J Darrin Gross I'd like to ask you. David Blumenfeld, what is the BIGGEST RISK? David Blumenfeld We're going to answer it a couple different ways, if that's okay. So I think I mean, and this, this first one might, might seem like a self serving answer, but I think the risk for real estate companies in general for not looking at technology. And again, it doesn't have to be the biggest, you know, the biggest, the newest, the the flashiest, but if you're not incorporating technology into your your your day to day operations, whether it be from a marketing perspective, a company, a leasing perspective, Building Management, etc, you are getting left behind and and the good news for you is that the real estate industry moves slow, but as it gets more and more competitive from insert certainly In certain asset classes, office being one of them to not be investing in kind of future proofing your building and your company is going to come back and bite you in the long term and so and both from a just an operational perspective, but also eventually, eventually from a recruiting perspective, where people who are going to you're going to want In your company are not going to want to work. Want to work at your company if you're not forward thinking. From a tech perspective, I think the biggest concern right now, excitement and concern certainly is with AI and things like conversational AI, like chat GPT, we have, we have clients who their legal departments come in and we can't use AI at all. And I think the concern, the practical concern there is, there is a risk of, if you're using kind of a, you know, chat GPT, or Microsoft co pilot, one of these, or Google Gemini, is it, depending on the information you're putting in to have, let's say you're like, I want to put, you know, I use it a lot for writing better copy, maybe of writing a better email than I wrote already, because I realized I'm just not saying that quite right. But you know, there's it's much more powerful than that. You can put in financial data, for example, that would spit back a spreadsheet for you, or different analysis that might you know normally take hours on in Excel. There is risk when you start to upload proprietary information from a financial perspective, but the but you need to kind of balance that risk with what you're what you're using those tools for, because they are very powerful and very efficient as well. So I think it's making sure you don't swing the pendulum one way or the other, like you need to certainly use AI in your business. But I think if you're going to start to do a lot of things through AI, you know, there are ways to protect the information that you're you're putting out there, and you don't have to just throw something in chat GPT. You can have an application that's specific to your company, that leverages AI, but may be able to spit out kind of your your own private version of chat GPT, so to speak. So you just need to be, you just need to understand the implications and the risks of of if you're using kind of a generic service, you know, be, you know, there is a risk that you're putting that data, not it's not necessarily means that those companies are going to use it against you, but you are uploading that information into into the cloud. And I think it's funny, you've seen a lot in America around like, Oh, we're going to ban Tiktok because we're worried about China, you know, stealing all this data. Well, China's come out with a lot of new AI platforms. Lately, nobody's talking about the data privacy implications. Like, I would be much more concerned about using, putting anything in a in a Chinese AI software platform versus, you know, my social media via Tiktok. So it's, it's just funny how people are not thinking about things holistically. And I think that's, that's just what you need to make sure you need to do. But again, as I said in my earlier very common beginning of, you know, the beginning of the conversation, don't get into analysis paralysis, where you justify doing nothing because you have to overthink it over and over again.
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