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#235 PUBLIC’s 3-Month Journey towards ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and ISO 20000-1
11/12/2025
#235 PUBLIC’s 3-Month Journey towards ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and ISO 20000-1
An ISO project can typically be completed within 6 – 12 months depending on an organisations size and complexity. Anyone who’s been through the process of ISO Implementation knows that there is a lot of work involved in that time span, from coordinating teams, gathering and creating documentation to auditing your processes. Now imagine doing that for 3 ISO Standards simultaneously within 3 months! Which is exactly what today’s guest, PUBLIC, have achieved. While it’s not a timeframe we recommend, their efforts deserve to be celebrated, and displays what good project management with dedicated individuals can accomplish. In this episode, Ian Battersby is joined by Biba Gonzalez, Senior Associate of Business Operations at PUBLIC, to discuss their 3-month dash to implement ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and ISO 20000-1, and explore the challenges and benefits experienced during the process. You’ll learn · Who is Biba Gonzalez? · Who are PUBLIC? · What was the main driver behind ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and ISO 20000-1 Implementation? · What was the biggest gap identified during the Gap Analysis? · What did Biba learn from the experience of implementing 3 standards at once? · What are the main benefits of ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and ISO 20000-1? · Biba’s top tip Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Ian is joined by Biba Gonzalez, Senior Associate of Business Operations at PUBLIC, to learn more about their 3-month whirlwind journey towards , & implementation. [02:30] Jumping in at the deep end: Biba was tasked with obtaining certification to 3 ISO Standard on returning from maternity leave in July 2025. PUBLIC already held certification, but were looking to achieve ISO 9001 & ISO 14001 before Christmas of 2025. This was quite the task, especially since Biba had no previous experience with ISO Standards! [04:15] Who is Biba? Biba is the Senior Associate of Business Operations at PUBLIC. She has been the driving force behind PUBLIC’s ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and ISO 20000-1 implementation. One fact that not many people might know about her is that she has had a private audience with the pope, by complete accident! Simply a case of wrong queue at the right time while on a family vacation. [06:50] Who are PUBLIC? PUBLIC are a digital transformation partner. They work within the private sector to help improve public services, by providing procurement services, online safety programmes and other digitally enabled services. [08:00] What were the main drivers behind achieving ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and ISO 20000-1?: PUBLIC work with a number of Government departments, and while bidding for various frameworks they noticed a trend in requests for bidding companies to have ISO 9001 and ISO 14001 certification. While not always a strict requirement, it was certainly a desirable trait that was preferred of bidding companies. There’s also an increasing number of tenders asking for more environmental requirements, such as carbon emission reporting. What used to be a ‘nice to have’ is now becoming a requirement, and PUBLIC sought to have these requirements met via the relevant ISO Standards. [09:40] A tight timescale: When Biba had arrived back from maternity leave in July, PUBLIC has already booked in assessment dates with a Certification Body. This left quite a tight timeline of just 3-months to get all 3 Standards implemented to a level that could pass a Stage 1 Assessment. They already had an ISO 27001 system in place, but there was still a lot of work to do. A lot had been discussed about the implementation of additional standards in Biba’s absence, but no practical steps had been taken aside from booking the audit dates. She certainly had her work cut out for her as most ISO project typically last between 6 – 12 months! Due to all her hard work, and some assistance from Blackmores, PUBLIC passed their Stage 1 assessment with flying colours and are in a good place to tackle their Stage 2 Assessment in late November 2025. [11:40] What was the biggest gap identified during the Gap Analysis? Thankfully PUBLIC didn’t have any huge gaps to fill. Due to their previous work with Government departments, they had a lot of the pieces just not together in a cohesive system. They did identify early on that they wanted a system that worked for them in the long term and were conscious of creating something that fit their way of working. With so many ISO Standards, the upkeep alone would have been overwhelming so they aimed to combine as much as they could into one Business Management System rather than opting to silo each individual Management System. [13:00] What were the benefits of Implementing ISO 9001, ISO 14001 & ISO 20000-1? Biba states that the implementation of these ISO Standards took their business to the next level. Coming from a relatively small start-up, there was some of the micro business mentality that remained despite their growth in recent years. ISO Standards helped to keep everyone adhering to the same requirements. PUBLIC have taken a more hollistic approach to ISO implementation to both make it as simple as possible for everyone to work within, while also driving continual improvement within the business. Having established processes means that everyone is singing from the same song sheet, and provides traceable processes that can be questioned and amended if and when issues occur. [16:15] Additional benefits felt from ISO Implementation: There is greater accountability with the Management system in place. There is also the added benefits of being able to bid and win new business opportunities. [17:25] Biba’s top tip for ISO Implementation: Don’t try and implement an ISO Standard (or multiple!) in just 3 months. While PUBLIC managed to do so, it was a lot of hard work squeezed into a very tight timeframe, and Biba wouldn’t recommend anyone try to match their level of ambition in this regard. Secondly she adds, make the Management System work for you and your business. ISO Standards by their nature read to be fairly generic, and that’s by design, so that you have the freedom to implement them in a way that makes sense to you. There is no point implementing an obtuse system that no one wants to interact with, the key is to embed it into the way you already work, with a view to use it as a tool to drive continual improvement as the system matures. [19:00] Looking to the future: Biba is optimistic about the business, as they’re looking to grow by 20% next year, supported by all the work done to Implement ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and ISO 20000-1. While they have had to change aspects of how they worked prior, due to being a small business the nature of approvals and ways of working were on a more individual basis, whereas now there is a team-based approach. It’s been a learning curve, but ultimately one that will serve them well as they grow over the next few years. [21:30] Biba’s book recommendation: the Sunday Times number one bestseller exposing the gender bias women face every day by Caroline Criado Perez [24:05] Biba’s favourite quote: “Not my circus, not my monkey” an idiom which Biba’s sure a lot of Operations Directors can sympathise with If you’d like to learn more about PUBLIC, We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#234 Finding The Root Cause In ISO Management
10/30/2025
#234 Finding The Root Cause In ISO Management
Continual Improvement is at the heart of ISO Management, a large part of which is dedicated to ensuring issues don’t reoccur. This is more than just putting a plaster on it and calling it a day, it’s about finding the root cause. This not only eliminates wasted time, effort and money with firefighting repeated mistakes, but also drives meaningful improvement. Over the years, many techniques have been developed to help with finding cause. In this episode, Ian Battersby explores the need to find the root cause of issues in ISO Management and explains some key techniques for root cause analysis that you can put into practice to help stop recurring issues. You’ll learn · What is meant by ‘finding cause’? · Why do you need to find the cause? · Where is finding cause specified in ISO Standards? · Finding cause in practice · What are the 5 Why’s? · What is the fish bone / Ishikawa? · What is FMEA? · What is fault tree analysis? · How do these techniques work in practice? Resources · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Ian dives into finding cause within ISO Management, explaining various techniques to help you prevent recurring issues. [03:15] What is meant by ‘Finding cause’? When an output from a process is not what was expected, then it is classed as a non-conformity which will need to be addressed through corrective action. Before you can put that action into place, you need to identify the root cause for the issue. It’s about putting right what went wrong. [04:00] Why do you need to find cause? Ian gives an example of a reactive response to resolving an issue, it didn’t get to the root of why the mistake happened in the first place. Finding cause is necessary to stop issues from repeating, rather than simply firefighting issues as they occur. ISO terminology has updated to reflect this over the years. There used to be a term called ‘Preventive action’, but this has since been changed to ‘Corrective action’ following on from the 2015 Annex SL update to many ISO Standards. This reflects the new risk-based approach to ISO management. The terms are largely the same in nature, but preventive action was widely misunderstood and so this was renamed and clarified following 2015. [05:55] Where is finding cause specified in ISO Standards? As with many aspects of ISO, the need for finding cause can be found in a few places within a Standard, including: - Clause 6.1.1 Planning: It specifies the need to determine risks and opportunities that need to be addressed. This is because they will affect the desired outcome of your Management System. It’s also a good place to start thinking about how to reduce those risks. Evaluating your strengths and weaknesses also gives you the chance to contemplate whether your existing processes are good at delivering what you want. Clause 10 Improvement: The Standard states something to the effect of ‘the organisation shall determine and select opportunities for improvement and implement any necessary actions to address those opportunities’ These opportunities will focus on improving products and services, which includes correcting, preventing or reducing undesired results. Also included under clause 10 is a subclause that directly addresses non-conformities and corrective action. These specify not only the need to resolve issues as they arise, but to evaluate the need for action to eliminate the root cause. Additional requirements include the need to review these actions and determine if they are actually effective. Ian goes into Clause 10 in more detail in a podcast specifically looking at opportunities for improvement. [14:20] Finding cause in practice – Why a methodology is necessary: Ian provides an example where an employee may lack confidence completing a certain activity. Their lack of competence could lead to a process being delivered incorrectly. That adverse quality outcome would then likely end up with the customer who would raise a complaint, in this instance that could be a damaged product. The damaged product is what needs correcting, from your perspective you would be looking at what caused that to prevent recurrence. Without knowing the initial cause, you would need to determine whether it’s a production issue or a human error. These types of scenarios can branch out further than the initial quality issue. For example, if that damaged product causes harm, then it turns into a health & safety risk. If products need to be scrapped, then there’s an environmental factor. Complaints related to product quality may also not be recorded in a standard non-conformity system, and could easily be missed for a full investigation to find root cause. This is why it’s important to have a consistent approach, in both logging issues and evaluating them to determine cause. [18:10] What are the 5 Why’s? This is one of the more popular methods that people use to determine cause. It’s simply a case of asking why a scenario happened, usually 5 times, though you can ask more or less depending on how long it takes to reach the core issue. It doesn’t require much training and all it requires is an open and honest response to the questions. This method can get answers quickly and is often utilised as an early problem solving technique. [19:30] What is the fish bone / Ishikawa? This is a more visual method to find cause. Depicting a fish skeleton that categorises possible causes and groups these accordingly. These causes are then discussed for a few minutes, typically with teams of people in order to gain different perspectives to help pull apart complex problems into their contributing factors. This method is particularly useful in cases where there isn’t a single underlying cause. [20:30] What is FMEA? FMEA or Failure Modes and Effects Analysis is a more structured technique and acts like a risk assessment in reverse. It looks at what can go wrong, what the effect of failure is and then how critical that failure is to the outcome of what you're trying to do. It uses risk priorities to decide what’s more important. [21:15] What is Fault Tree Analysis? This method utilises a top-down logical approach. It’s a diagrammatic representation of what’s going wrong. It asks, does this happen? Yes or no or both, and branches down paths that explore the issue. It allows for quantitative measures with a number output that can help determine how likely recurrence will be. It’s a method that is often used in engineering and manufacturing processes. [22:55] Scatter Diagrams: Scatter diagrams are a good tool to find correlation. They help visualise the relationship between two variables. If you have data rich environments, these can really help you plot out those relationships and make those links that otherwise may have been missed. [23:40] The 5 Why’s in more detail: The 5 Why’s is a great starting technique as it requires little training. Ian provides an example of using the 5 Why’s, with the scenario of a worker who has injured themselves while cutting some wood. Using the 5 Why’s, he asks these questions: · Why did the workers hand slip while cutting the wood? – They were holding the material in one had without the use of any clamping device to keep it steady. · Why was the material being held by hand instead of using a clamp? Because there was no clamping device available. · Why was there no clamping device available on the table? The design of that workstation didn’t take into consideration the need for a permanent clamping fixture. · Why wasn’t that taken into consideration for the workstation? The risk assessment for that workstation was overlooked. From this exercise, you can see how you can get to the root of an issue by simply asking ‘Why’ a number of times. Again, it can be more or less than 5 times, the name is simply a guideline. [25:40] The Fishbone / Ishikawa method in more detail: Another favoured simple technique for finding cause is the fishbone method. It utilises 6 categories to get to the root of an issue, those being:- · Machine: Addressing the equipment or technology that you use to deliver products and services. · Method: The way in which you deliver products and services. · Material: The raw inputs into your processes. · Measurement: The data and metrics that you use to monitor the successful delivery of your products and services. · Mother Nature: The environment and conditions in which you’re operating. · Man – Although this has now been updated to ‘People’, addresses the human element of product and service delivery. This is a great method for instances where there may be multiple root issues, so you can categorise and analyse each of them with multiple perspectives involved as this is considered a more collaborative method for root cause. [28:15] Record your findings: We dive more into this in a , but essentially, it’s a requirement of every ISO Standard to address these non-conformities as they occur. Going through the process of root cause and rectifying the issue will need documentation to prove that you are actively addressing these issues, as well as doing as much as you can to prevent recurrence. There is no defined way to do this in the Standard, so it can be documented via forms, intranets, other digital systems etc. Documenting all the evidence of resolving issues may seem arduous at times, but it will ultimately lead to genuine continual improvement, and will lead to reduced overall error. If you’d like any assistance with ISO Implementation or support, we’d be happy to help. 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#233 Clyde & Co Achieves ISO 50001 - Setting the Standard for Energy Management within the Legal Sector
10/15/2025
#233 Clyde & Co Achieves ISO 50001 - Setting the Standard for Energy Management within the Legal Sector
When thinking of sectors that need effective energy management, the ones that typically come to mind include the likes of transportation and manufacturing. However, energy management is something that any business can benefit from. Such is the case with today’s feature, Clyde & Co, a global law firm who made the decision to Implement ISO 50001 energy management to tackle the largest part of their sustainability impact. In this episode, Ian Battersby is joined by Paul Barnacle, Head of Health, Safety, Security and Environment at Clyde & Co, to discuss their journey towards ISO 50001, including the challenges associated with implementation and benefits gained from certification. You’ll learn · Who is Paul Barnacle? · Who is Clyde & Co? · What was the main driver behind obtaining ISO 50001? · How long did it take to achieve certification? · What was the biggest gap found during the Gap Analysis? · What has Paul learned as a result of ISO 50001 Implementation? · What are the benefits of gaining ISO 50001 certification? · Paul’s top tip Resources · · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:25] Episode Summary – We invite guest Paul Barnacle, Head of Health, Safety, Security and Environment at Clyde & Co, onto the show to share his journey with implementing ISO 50001, including the associated challenges and benefits from gaining certification. [02:50] Who is Paul Barnacle? is the Head of Health, Safety, Security and Environment at Clyde & Co , and was the lead for the ISO 50001 Implementation project. One thing that many may not know about Paul is that he’s an avid angler, whether rain or shine, he’s dedicated to getting the next big catch. [04:45] Who are Clyde & Co? Clyde & Co are a global law firm that helps organisations navigate risk and maximise opportunities across sectors such as insurance, professional services, aviation, marine, construction and energy. The firm has over 500 partners with a total headcount of 5,500 people operating across 70 offices around the world. [05:40] Who is included within the ISO 50001 scope for Clyde & Co? For those that aren’t aware, an ISO scope can be against an entire business, a single department or even against a specific product / service. For Clyde & Co, their ISO 50001 scope extends across 9 offices in the UK and Republic or Ireland. [06:15] What were the main drivers behind ISO 50001 Implementation? – One of the main drivers links back to Clyde & Co’s Net Zero Strategy, which included the need to identify which sustainability focused ISO Standard would help them the most. Following a lot of internal conversation with their Chief Sustainability Officer, they settled on ISO 50001 as they were seeking more visibility on their energy consumption and help with identifying opportunities for improvement. Ultimately taking the first steps to tackle their scope 1 and 2 emissions. [07:05] Why ISO 50001 over ISO 14001? Environmental Management was considered, however they don’t have any industrial processes, so other environmental factors outside of energy aren’t very applicable to a business like Clyde & Co. Seeing as energy was their largest environmental expenditure, ISO 50001 naturally seemed like the best fit. [08:10] How long did it take to achieve ISO 50001? Paul started the Implementation journey back in early August of 2024, and completed the Stage 2 Assessment by April 11th 2025, so a total of nine months. [09:00] What was the biggest gap identified during the Gap Analysis? Paul highlights how key the Gap Analysis was to the whole process, as it gave them a clear picture of the amount of work involved with completing the implementation. One of the biggest gaps identified was the fact that they didn’t have a structured management system in place. There was a lack of knowledge when it came to ISO implementation, so some of the terminology was a bit lost on Paul to start with! They also lacked key documentation such as continual improvement log and Register of Energy Saving Opportunities. [10:10] What were the benefits of ISO 50001 implementation? There are a number of benefits, including:- · ISO 50001 allows a business to have a lot more visibility on their energy consumption · ISO 50001 certification demonstrates a proactive approach for energy management to clients and prospects. · The data provided by ISO 50001 allows for more informed decisions on energy saving and reduction opportunities, allowing you to target your biggest emission sources and spot any anomalies. [11:45] Client influence: Clyde & Co were seeing an increase in requests from clients regarding their energy performance indicators and related KPI’s. They were also being asked about what they were doing in relation to reducing their scope 1 and 2 emissions. This exercise allowed them to address both, in addition to setting up the infrastructure to continuously monitor this year on year. As a result of ISO 50001 implementation, Clyde & Co now plan to communicate the reduction in their energy consumption on a quarterly basis with staff across all regions. [13:50] Additional Improvement as a result of ISO 50001: Paul enjoys the renewed communication between teams that hadn’t really interacted prior to ISO 50001 implementation. Previously the energy management team were fairly siloed in the business, but now they’re getting tech champions involved and asking anyone to contribute to the energy performance indicators. It's created a connected culture that encourages new ideas from all corners of the business. They’ve helped to facilitate this through the use of their intranet with dedicated mailboxes where people can submit any questions or suggestions for improvement. They’ve also got QR codes set-up for easy access for mailbox submissions. [15:55] Paul’s Top Tip: Get a copy of whichever Standard you intend to Implement and read it thoroughly. It’s key that you understand what the Standard is asking for. If you’re struggling with the ISO terminology, the Standards will include a glossary of terms and definitions to help you. You can also do what Clyde & Co did, which is hire ISO consultants that specialise in ISO implementation. They will help you interpret the Standard and help you establish a Management system that is both compliant with the Standard and also integrates with the way you work. For ISO 50001 specifically, Paul highlights the need for strong data. Energy monitoring will require some number crunching, so you need those figures to be as accurate as possible to get the best results. [15:55] Paul’s book recommendation: by David MacKay [15:55] Paul’s favourite quote: “The best way to predict the future, is to create it.” – Abraham Lincoln If you’d like to learn more about , check out their website. We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#232 Introducing BS 30480 Intervention, Prevention And Support For People Affected By Suicide
10/08/2025
#232 Introducing BS 30480 Intervention, Prevention And Support For People Affected By Suicide
The topic of suicide is all too often a discussion avoided due to its tragic and uncomfortable nature. However, the reality is that there are 6,000 deaths by suicide in the UK each year, with in excess of 727,000 deaths annually worldwide. In recent years there has been more awareness about the topic, with a range of resources targeted to help with the prevention and support of those affected. For businesses seeking further guidance, a new Standard is on the horizon. In this episode, Ian Battersby is joined by Marcus Long, Chief Executive at IIOA, who shares his inspirational story of working through an unthinkable tragedy and creating a silver lining that aims to tackle the intervention, prevention and support for people affected by suicide. You’ll learn · Who are IIOA? · Who is Marcus Long? · What was the catalyst behind BS 30480? · Who is involved with the development of BS 30480? · What does this Standard hope to achieve? · How does this Standard compare to other ISO Standards? · How will this Standard develop within the next year? · The cost of suicide · What are the benefits of BS 30480? · How can you get involved? Resources · · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:25] Episode Summary – We invite guest Marcus Long, Chief Executive at IIOA, onto the show to talk about his involvement with the development of BS 30480, a Standard dedicated to the intervention, prevention and support for people affected by suicide. [01:30] Who are IIOA? The IIOA are the Independent International Organisation for Assurance, which is a trade association for global assurance bodies. Their members carry out certification to a wide range of ISO Standards, related Standard schemes, product certification and the provision of validation and verification training. [02:30] Who is Marcus Long? Before becoming the Chief Executive at IIOA, Marcus worked for the national Standards body side of BSI. There he was involved with ISO Standard development and later moved into certification. He’s had 20 years’ experience within the field of ISO Standards, and spent most of that time pushing the benefits and value of quality infrastructure. One thing many may not know about Marcus is that he spent 48 hours underwater! While not in one stint, Marcus is an avid scuba diver, and has been taking trips under the waves since 1990, with his cumulative underwater adventures reaching 48 hours total to date. [05:30] What was the catalyst behind BS 30480? Marcus experienced an unthinkable tragedy in October of 202, when his son Adam took his life at the age of 21. In the following three years, Marcus sought to find some sort of silver lining to give him some peace. After a while, he turned to look at the industry he worked within, Standards, which is focused on solving problems and finding solutions. Ultimately, it’s aim is to make the world a better place, whether that’s through sustainability, quality or Health & Safety. So why couldn’t that principle be applied to something as difficult and heartbreaking as suicide. With that idea in mind, Marcus got talking to some national standards bodies in different countries around the globe, in addition to ISO, to see if the idea could spark some interest. These discussions reached BSI, who were currently also working on creating a Standards on the topic of menstrual health and menopause in the workplace. Marcus appreciated that they were willing to touch on topics that many shied away from. [08:50] The conception of BS 30480 – The first steps taken included hosting workshops at the Houses of Parliament in February of 2024. There Marcus brought together a wide range of people with different experiences, and asked them if they thought this Standard was a good idea and gather what how they would like to see something like this work in practice. With that encouragement and feedback, Marcus set to work on setting a scope and deciding who should be involved in the development process. [11:05] Who is involved with the development of BS 30480? As with many ISO’s, the development team are made up of a wide range of people, including people from academia and business owners. Marcus ensured that healthcare specialists and those who’ve assisted in suicide prevention schemes were also included. All of these individuals had the same passion to help reduce the rate of suicide within the UK. [13:10] What does this Standard hope to achieve? The sad reality is that in many instances, it’s a reactive response to suicide. What Marcus hope BS 30480 can achieve is to encourage the creation of suicide prevention strategies. This turns that reactive response into a proactive one in terms of preventing the worst from happening. As quoted from the Standard: “ The aim is to make workplaces more suicide safe, more conducive to suicide prevention, more supportive of those who have been exposed to suicide and more knowledgeable and confident in talking about suicide and taking actions that prevent suicide.” [15:30] How does this Standard compare to other ISO Standards? This Standard differs from ISO Standards such as and in the fact that it’s a guidance Standard, so not one that can be certified to. It provides guidelines and guidance that businesses use, and select the parts that are most relevant to them. The Standard also includes a number of Appendix’s that provide more practical guidance to help give businesses a clearer idea on how certain elements can be implemented, for example, the creation and deployment of a suicide prevention plan. So rather than a rigid set of requirements, think of it as a collection of practical ideas and solutions that can aid in the prevention of suicide. [18:20] How will this Standard develop within the next year? BS 30480 is expected to be published in November 2025, as they’ve just finished the consultation period in August 2025, which was met with a very positive response. Marcus would love to see this Standard move into the international stage by becoming an ISO, but for now it’s being published as a British Standard. There are plans to create training and host webinars to spread awareness about the Standard, so keep an eye out on BSI’s socials for more about that! The standard is set to enter a phased communication strategy: Phase 1: The launch of the Standard, which has already had some preparation as various other Standard bodies and those involved have been spreading awareness throughout the drafting process. Phase 2: Public awareness – Marcus and those involved in the creation of BS 30480 will be ramping up public dialogue on what the Standard is about and what it can achieve for people. Phase 3: Engagement – Actively getting business to engage with dialogue around suicide prevention, as this is a topic that some businesses are scared to even tough. But if we’re to tackle it, it needs to be discussed. There is scope for this Standard to fit in with the likes of ISO 45001 (Occupational H&S) and ISO 45003 (Mental Health in the workplace). Marcus also discusses the opportunities for this to help less traditional workplaces such as educational institutions, sports clubs, charities & youth clubs. [23:30] The cost of suicide: As much as it seems inappropriate to put a price on suicide, there is more to it that the emotional and societal devastation. A report by The Samaritans suggested that each death by suicide resulted in a cost of £500,000. This is due to related costs for emergency healthcare systems and loss of productivity. Marcus emphasizes that if we are to get more businesses, Government and local Governments on board, all impacts of suicide need to be discussed in addition to the benefits of suicide prevention. While odd to approach it from a cost perspective, it’s more often than not the language that businesses speak. They need to be informed of the investment required in people, time and cost just as much as they need to be aware of the many benefits of effective and proactive suicide prevention. [26:40] What are the benefits of BS 30480? The ultimate aim is to make workplaces a safer and better place. This Standard can also provide a means of effectively measuring social value, which is often times a rather nebulous metric to grasp. This Standard is here to save lives, and its practical guidance can help businesses create a clear path of actions to help those who may suspect that a colleague is in need of help. [28:25] How can you get involved? Marcus’ biggest ambition is for BS 30480 to assist with saving lives, but if it’s to achieve it’s main aim, it needs advocates. Whether from trade associations, other Standards bodies or just from individuals, spread the word and encourage businesses to adopt the guidance provided. You can register your interest in BS 30480 through , this ensures you get updates on the Standards progress and any training opportunities. If you’d like learn more about BS 30480, feel free to contact Marcus Long via We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . 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#231 Evaluating Compliance within ISO Management
09/24/2025
#231 Evaluating Compliance within ISO Management
When stating ISO Management System ‘compliance’, that in reality means the conformance to ISO Standard requirements, compliance in ISO terminology actually refers to compliance with legal and other statutory regulations. It may sound like semantics, but the difference is distinct for a reason, as you don’t get a ‘non-compliance’ for not meeting requirements, rather you get a ‘non-conformity’. When it comes to compliance with the law as required by ISO Standards, you need more than a Legal Register to prove compliance. In this episode, Ian Battersby dives into what is meant by compliance in ISO, how this relates to legal and statutory requirements, and how businesses can effectively evaluate compliance. You’ll learn · What is the difference between ‘Compliance’ and ‘Conformity’? · What are the different types of compliance requirements? · How do Acts and Regulations work in tandem? · Who enforces legal compliance requirements? · Where do these requirements sit in ISO Standards? · How do you prove compliance within ISO management? · How do you evaluate effective compliance? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:30] Upcoming webinar: If you’d like to learn more about the benefits of integrated management systems, feel free to register for our [01:30] Episode Summary – Ian Battersby discusses the topic of compliance within ISO Standards, and how you can effectively evaluate it within your Management System. [02:30] What is the difference between ‘Compliance’ and ‘Conformity’? It’s a common misconception that you ‘comply’ with an ISO Standard, when in reality, you conform to an ISO Standard, hence why you can receive a ‘non-conformity’ in audits and not ‘noncompliance’. When we talk about compliance within ISO Management, this refers to compliance with the law, regulations and other statutory requirements, as this is a requirement within all ISO Standards. [03:50] What are the different types of compliance requirements? There are many different types of law, Ian focuses on what is known as statute law legislation, as this is distinct from common law, case law and constitutional conventions. Statute law legislation is clearly written and can be cited in something like a Legal Register, or Register of Compliance Obligations. There are different types of legislation that you’ll need to document, including: Primary Legislation: These are put in place by acts of UK Parliament and may have involvement from devolved administrations as well. Statutory compliance refers to compliance with primary legislation. An example of this type of legislation includes the . Secondary or delegated legislation: Those primary Acts often require a lot more detail regarding the practicalities of applying them, which is delivered through Secondary or delegated legislation, otherwise more commonly known as regulations. These have more input from relevant public bodies to provide the requirements that can be applied. Both regulations are issues under Statutory Instruments (SI's), which are the formal legal vehicle that gives them effect. Put simply, regulations are the rules and Statutory Instruments are the legal mechanism which brings those rules into effect. [06:05] How Acts and Regulations work in tandem: Taking the Health & Safety at Work Act as an example, at the start this was quite a broad and generic act, it wasn’t until years later that the came about to support the Act. This was further bolstered with the Management of . Both regulations were developed through consultation between Government departments and other bodies such as the Health & Safety Executive. These regulations gave companies much more detail on what’s actually required in order to comply with the Health & Safety at Work Act. [06:50] Who enforces legal requirements? – It’s not just the police that enforce legal requirements, there are a number of other bodies independent of government and the judiciary that can enforce regulations and prosecute for breaches caused by organisations and individuals. This can include bodies such as The Health & Safety Executive, The Financial Conduct Authority, The Environment Agency and the Information Commissioners Office. There are more for other areas, and these are often the bodies involved in the development of specific regulations. [07:45] Where do these requirements sit in ISO Standards? As Is the case with ISO Standards, the requirement for compliance is sprinkled throughout the whole document. Starting with Clause 4 Context. Here ‘Interested parties’ are a focus, of which regulatory bodies can be considered an interested party, as they control the regulations that you are required to comply with by law. Even if you don’t think you fall under specific legislation, there are still general applicable business laws that all businesses must comply with. So this exercise is not simply a case of running a Management System, it’s also about running an effective business. Ian highlights clause 6.1.3 in , which states the need to determine legal requirements applicable to your business, whereas in this clause talks about compliance obligations. Despite the difference in wording, they are essentially looking for the same thing, which is detailing what legal requirements you need to comply with. In it also states that any products or services offered should meet customer and applicable statutory and regulatory requirements. This is then further strengthened in the Leadership clause as leaders are required to ensure that their commitments meet all customer requirements, but also any applicable regulatory and statutory requirements associated with the products and service. This is phrasing that is repeated throughout ISO 9001. Going back to ISO 45001 and ISO 14001, both also require an evaluation of compliance, both the part of monitoring and measuring and the results of them to be submitted through your management review process. The Standards are very clear in that they require you to determine the frequency and methods for evaluation of compliance. [12:00] How do you prove compliance within ISO management? In ISO 45001 there is an appendix that give examples of what you can monitor and measure for the fulfilment and evaluation of legal requirements. As mentioned, many organisations opt to use a Legal Register which states all applicable legislation for your business that will be evaluated in an Internal Audit, but proving genuine compliance is much more than just acknowledging the legislation itself. For larger organisations, this can be a very burdensome task, especially if you find yourself in a position where legal requirements aren’t being met. Ian provides an example to illustrate how to prove effective compliance: Waste removal is something that every business has to do, whether they do so through a waste management contractor, or through a landlord, the law states that any waste you generate must be removed, transferred, processed, treated, etc. by licenced organisation in a very specifically regulated fashion. You as an organisation or your landlord may receive an annual season ticket which includes the required demonstration of compliance, which can be in the form of West Carrier license number, the types of waste, the classification codes under the European or waste catalogue, dates and signatures. Now if you run into an instance where something on that waste transfer note was incorrect, like a wrong address or waste type, how do you prove that you were still compliant in the actual activity of removing waste? An Audit will pick up on the note discrepancies and you may be faced with being non-compliant. A way to ensure that you have a record of compliance is to keep electronic copies of all your waste transfer notes, and keep them in a central location, or even possibly linked within your Legal Register if possible. Despite the discrepancy, you will be able to prove that you have a prior record of compliance. Ian gives another example, you may have air conditioning in your area of work that’s due for a service. The contractor will need to verify the engineer before you engage with them, including a check to see if they’re competent under F Gas Regulations and hold a valid REFCOM Registration Certificate. If you wait to check / validate their certificates of competence, you may run into a situation where they may have an expired certificate at the time that they serviced your aircon, and so that may render that service as inadequate under your legal requirements. To avoid this, you should reference that you’ve evaluated the contractor within your Legal Register, this would include a check on their registration number and dates of when their F Gas competency certificates are valid, ensuring your service falls within those dates. In short, to demonstrate compliance, you should be keeping on-going records in relation to your legal requirements. These should also be readily available and easily accessible. [20:35] How do you evaluate effective compliance: Legal requirements such as the Health & Safety at Work Act are much broader, and it can be difficult to know exactly what records you need to keep to prove compliance. This is where the supporting regulations can provide the required detail and provide a much clearer picture of what evidence is required. One example is the requirement to carry out sufficient risk assessments, which requires you to identify hazards, assess risks, determine control measures you know, communicate those to people, and review of those assessments regularly. You as the business will need to create a programme to manage the risk assessment process, and this should be documented somewhere, including a note of your review and action dates. This risk assessment list should also be linked within your Legal Register. In short, one of the most effective ways to show and evaluate compliance is to ensure that all relevant evidence is linked or attached in some way to a Legal Register or Register of Compliance Obligations. These evidence documents should be active and hold a record of previous actions and any planned upcoming actions. You could also schedule regular inspections of your legal compliance, to evaluate your level of compliance against different requirements on an on-going basis. The resulting reports can also be linked within the Legal Register. Don’t just rely on Internal Audits to cover your legal compliance evaluation. Utilise dedicated legal compliance inspections, link all relevant evidence within your legal register and have on-going reviews and updates throughout the year. If you’d like any assistance with implementing ISO standards, we’d be happy to help! 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#230 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Anju Punetha
09/17/2025
#230 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Anju Punetha
How often have you heard someone say they aspire to be an ISO consultant? Likely not at all! That’s not surprising as it’s quite a niche world to find yourself in, yet despite that, there are still thousands of ISO professionals worldwide. We’re continuing with our latest mini-series where we introduce members of our team, to explore how they fell into the world of ISO and discuss the common challenges they face while helping clients achieve ISO certification. In this episode we introduce Anju Punetha, a QHSE Consultant at Blackmores, to share the journey of how she transitioned from special education in India, to ISO consultancy for international organisations. You’ll learn · What is Anju’s role at Blackmores? · What does Anju enjoy outside of consultancy? · What path did Anju take to become an ISO Consultant? · What is the biggest challenge she’s faced when implementing ISO Standards? · What is Anju’s biggest achievement? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – We introduce Anju Punetha, a QHSE Consultant here at Blackmores, to discuss her journey towards becoming an ISO consultant who specialises in ISO 9001, ISO 14001, ISO 45001, ISO 27001, ISO 20121 and ISO 55001. [04:05] What is Anju’s role at Blackmores? Her role primarily involves supporting clients in two key areas: maintaining and continually improving their existing ISO management systems and helping them establish and implement new standards. As part of that support, she: · Conduct internal audits · Reviews and updates management system documentation · Facilitate management reviews · Train internal teams and prepare them for certification audits. When implementing a new ISO standard, she’ll start with a gap analysis – i.e comparing their current practices against the standard’s requirements. Then break down those requirements into simple, easy-to-understand language and create a practical plan to bridge the gaps. Depending on the standard, she may also facilitate strategic business risk assessments, environmental aspects and impacts assessments, or information security risk assessments. Additionally, Anju helps clients develop and implement policies and procedures, create legal and compliance registers, and verify their readiness for certification body audits. [05:55] What does Anju enjoy doing outside of consultancy?: Anju loves spending time outdoors with long walks being her go-to, as they help her unwind both physically and mentally. She also enjoys cooking for her family and friends. Experimenting with different cuisines and blending spices is something Anju finds incredibly relaxing. [08:00] What was Anju’s path towards becoming an ISO Consultant?: Like many of the Blackmores team, Anju never planned to become an ISO consultant. She began her career as a Special Educator, working with children with special needs in India. Later, she transitioned into the development sector as a Research Assistant, working on projects funded by The World Bank and the UN World Food Programme. These projects focused on microfinance, training and development, and women & child health. However, that role involved a lot of travel, which became challenging after the birth of her first son. So, Anju decided that would be a good time to take a career break. When Anju was ready to return to work, she looked for an office-based role which resulted in her joining Ericsson, a Swedish Networking and Telecommunication Company as support staff, and progressed upwards to become the Learning and Development Manager at their rapidly growing Global Service Centre in India. This involved managing training requirements of an employee base of around 4000+ employees, involvement in stakeholder management at all levels and vendor management. As part of the Operational Excellence initiatives, she also got involved in preparing different business teams for their internal and external audits. During that time, Anju became interested in Ericsson’s Group Management System, which all legal entities had to comply with. She then moved into the newly formed Quality Department and helped them to gain various ISO certifications. She was the Project Leader for implementing Ericsson’s Operational Maturity Model compliant to the requirements of ISO 9001, ISO 14001, ISO 27001 and OHSAS 18001 (ISO 45001’s predecessor). Joining Blackmores as an ISO Consultant felt like a natural next step when she relocated to UK. She’s now been a member of our team for over six years, and continues to inspire others with her level of dedication to her work and clients. [13:35] What is Anju’s favourite aspect of being a Consultant? – The variation in daily activities is a big positive for Anju. One day she may be conducting a gap analysis for Environmental Management System for an IT company, and the next drafting policies and procedures for managing Events Sustainably for an Event Management company or auditing a client on their Information Security Management System. No two days are the same! She also enjoys being able to work with a wide range of clients across sectors like IT, construction, facilities, asset management, event management, and train operating companies, all ranging from small businesses to large, multi-site organisations. She particularly enjoys working on Integrated Management Systems, as they help clients save time and money by streamlining multiple standards into one cohesive system. It reduces duplication, improves efficiency, and encourages collaboration across teams—breaking down silos and building synergy. [15:50] Upcoming webinar: If you’d like to learn more about the benefits of integrated management systems, feel free to register for our [17:30] What Standards does Anju specilaise in and why? Starting with: · Quality Management: A core foundation that many businesses start with when diving into the world of ISO Standards. This is an essential one for any ISO consultant and is often the first Implementation experience for many who go on to become ISO consultants. · Environmental Management: This Standard provides a solid base for any business looking to start taking sustainability seriously. · Health and Safety Management: Anju helped one of her previous employers implement this Standards’ predecessor, and has since implemented and supported ISO 45001 for a number of Blackmores clients. · Information Security Management: An increasingly popular Standard as we see more and more business rely on technology to keep their services running smoothly. · A popular Standard within the facilities and public transportation sectors. This Standard aims to create a framework to help organisations manage the life-cycle of their assets. ISO 20121 focuses on governing principles of sustainable development, which are: · Stewardship · Inclusion · Integrity · Transparency ISO 20121 was revised in 2024. The revised standard explicitly requires considering climate change and its impact on the event and stakeholders. The new version also expands beyond environmental concerns to encompass human and child rights, social impact (including mental health and diversity), and digital responsibility and how organisations should start considering these areas at the early stages of planning an event through post event activities. Recently, Anju has been busy in putting together the toolkit for transition to ISO 20121:2024 and preparing her clients with the implementation of the revised and new requirements. [21:10] What is the biggest challenge Anju had faced during a project and how did she overcome it?: Anju offers one experience in particular: She was working with a company that was implementing its first ISO Standard. The project not only involved creating and implementing standardised policies and procedures but also working on the overall change management within the business. The teams were used to working in silos for many years and were not very forthcoming with the idea of establishing and implementing standardised ways of working. This was due to various reasons, such as lack of awareness, operational activities taking precedence over risk and process-based approach. As a result, project leads struggled in getting support from the project sponsor and the extended project team in terms of time and effort. They had to put the project on halt for few months and only proceeded with the project after getting the full commitment from the sponsor and other project team members. During this time, ISO related roles and responsibilities were built into the job descriptions of the various stakeholders, these were agreed as part of the internal review processes and required time and effort for the different stakeholders within the business was agreed with the Management Team. At the end, this project helped the company to embed the standardised processes within the business, rather than it being just a tick in the box exercise to achieve certification. [25:35] What is Anju’s proudest achievement? Anju’s proudest achievement in relation to work, is when she’s able to see a marked difference in the confidence level of her clients, from the start of the ISO implementation project, which is the gap analysis stage, to confidently facing the certification audit and demonstrating to the external assessors that the implementation of the ISO project was not just a tick in the box exercise for them. One achievement in particular stands out in recent months as she supported a client in successfully transitioning to the revised ISO 20121 standard. If you’d like any assistance with implementing ISO standards, we’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . 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#229 From Platform To Proof – How To Tackle Your Scope 3 Emissions
09/10/2025
#229 From Platform To Proof – How To Tackle Your Scope 3 Emissions
One of the biggest challenges for those looking to achieve Net Zero is tackling scope 3 emissions, which are indirect emissions that typically reside in your supply chain. These can account for up to 70% of your total emissions and can be quite the undertaking to gather the necessary data to be able to complete your calculations needed for carbon verification. In the final episode of the Platform to Proof mini-series, we invite Jay Ruckelshaus, Co-Founder and Head of Policy and Partnerships at Gravity, back onto the podcast to explain how to tackle scope 3 emissions, how it works in practice and how carbon accounting software can streamline the process. You’ll learn · What are scope 3 emissions? · What are the drivers for those tackling scope 3 emissions? · Where to start with scope 3 emissions · How does supply chain engagement work in practice? · What are the benefits for suppliers involved? · How can carbon accounting software help with scope 3 emissions? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – We introduce , Co-Founder and Head of Policy and Partnerships at Gravity, who will accompany Mel on a 3-part mini-series diving into carbon accounting software and the value it can bring. In this final part, Mel and Jay dive into scope 3 emissions, the challenges associated with gathering them and how carbon accounting software can help streamline this process. [02:30] Catch-up on the first part – If you missed the first two parts of the series, catch-up with them here: · · [03:50] What are scope 3 emissions?: The term ‘scope 3’ comes from a document and initiative called the , which sets out the core methodology by which companies should measure account for their greenhouse gas emissions. It details 3 different scopes, scope 1 is your direct emissions (i.e. fuel for vehicle use ect), Scope 2 is grid emissions associated with purchased electricity or other forms of energy (i.e. energy for offices). Scope 3 is a very broad term and addresses the emissions created by your value / supply chain. This could include things like transportation of resources you require from a third-party. These emissions can count to upwards of 70% of a companies total emissions, depending on the nature of the business that can even go as high as 90%! [06:50] What are the drivers for those tackling scope 3 emissions? Jay summaries 3 of the main drivers: Biggest emission source: For those looking to truly hit Net Zero, they can’t simply ignore their largest emission source. It poses the biggest risk to the company, so it’s in their best interest to reduce them where possible. Of course, this isn’t easy as it may involve swapping suppliers or working with existing ones to make their practices more sustainable. It’s not as straight forward as addressing your scope 1 and 2 emissions. Regulation requirement: Scope 3 is increasingly being included within mandatory regulations, whereas in previous years, it may have been a voluntary part of those requirements. For example, the new regulations coming into effect for California in 2026 will see around 10,000 companies needing to report on their scope 3 emissions. In the EU, regulations such as also require reporting on these emissions. Though these haven’t been made mandatory as of yet, we can see that changing in future. Stakeholder requirement changes: Customers and other stakeholders are asking for more evidence of meaningful sustainability action. Supply chain initiatives now are gearing more towards sustainable procurement, which coincides with the rise of CSR related activities. This drive to evaluate your supply chain is being pushed from all directions. [09:55] Where to start with scope 3 emissions: Likely stating the obvious, but ensure you have addressed your scope 1 and 2 emissions first. When looking to your scope 3 emissions, you’ll first need to determine which of the 15 emission categories is going to be important for your business to get a handle on. The nature of your business will determine which of the categories are a priority, so if you’re a digital service based business, then the raw materials category likely won’t be very appliable to you so you’d only need to provide a very high-level summary of any related emissions. For those categories that are a priority, you should identify how in-depth you would need to get with the data analytics, and create a strategy for each of those categories. If you’re struggling to start, there are some industry average statistics out there to help you with those initial calculations. It’s key to set up a defined measurement cycle, that will need the ability to get more granular as you progress. This is so you can actively track your reduction efforts. Of course, the level of this will be determined by the resource you and your suppliers have to help facilitate the process. It’s definitely worth investing in your supplier relationships to make this process run smoothly year on year. Some business that have say 100+ suppliers will often send out a survey to obtain this data, but the quality of the information returned (if any) can be lacking. So, a more direct approach will likely reap the results you’re after. Mel highlights an instance where an organisation had an engagement programme, where they selected 100 of their suppliers and provided training and guidance on understanding and reporting on their emissions. The suppliers could then see how beneficial the process was not just for that organisations, but for their own company as well. It’s more than just gathering data, it’s about effecting your sphere of influence for meaningful change. [14:15] How does supply chain engagement work in practice? As mentioned, one of the ways many organisations have opted to gather data have been through supplier surveys, however, you need to supplement this with other supplier initiatives to get the best results. Gravity took a more empathetic approach, by looking at this process from the suppliers perspective. They highlighted that this should just be an extractive exercise, the supplier should also be getting something out of this. One such way to do so would be to give them training and / or tools in order to measure their emissions so they can give you the data you need, and also have that data to share with their other customers. You can work with them to identify potential emission reductions and energy saving schemes that could save them money down the line. There are also a number of AI tools that can comb the web and look for any public carbon disclosures or ESG reports that suppliers may have already made. So this saves on the initial outreach and results in less burden for both parties. [17:10] What are the benefits for suppliers involved? By adding further requirements to your supplier relationship, it offers the opportunity to evaluate and develop your supplier engagement strategy. The suppliers can benefit both from your experience with carbon reporting, in addition to gaining access to the same tools you use to manage this. By helping them get a jump start on their carbon disclosures, they can benefits from being ahead of the curve if certain regulations haven’t effected them yet. We’re seeing these sustainability regulations trickle down to new sectors and smaller companies, so them having the data ready puts them at a great advantage. They can also potentially optimise their own processes and save money from the experience by using their data to identify where further reductions can be made. Those supplier reductions then benefit your organisation as your scope 3 emissions improve, it’s a win win situation. [20:35] How can carbon accounting software help with scope 3 emissions? Using Gravity as an example, they’ve built a lot of tools that can take raw inventory and gather a lot of data concerning purchasing, logistics ect. This is all collated into one area where it can be analysed and used for calculations. They also have an AI agent that can comb the web for specific information that your suppliers may have publicly disclosed. An AI agent can also reach out directly to suppliers for further information which will be collated within your centralised system, checked for accuracy and put into a format that’s ready for reporting. This is all done with a full audit trail for transparency. If you’d like to learn more about Gravity and how their energy and carbon accounting software can help you, . 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#228 From Platform To Proof – How Carbon Accounting Software and Verification Combine for Carbon Compliance
09/03/2025
#228 From Platform To Proof – How Carbon Accounting Software and Verification Combine for Carbon Compliance
As the sustainability crisis grows more pressing each passing year, companies are increasingly being required to comply with various sustainability regulations and legislation, most of which include the need to monitor and verify your carbon emissions. Calculating these carbon emissions can be tricky, especially if you have a lot of sites or international locations that require conversions. This is where dedicated carbon accounting software can save you a lot of headache! In the second episode of the Platform to Proof mini-series, we invite Jay Ruckelshaus, Co-Founder and Head of Policy and Partnerships at Gravity, back onto the podcast to discuss how carbon accounting software can be utilised on your carbon verification journey, and explore the additional benefits provided by this technology. You’ll learn · What is the role of carbon accounting platforms and how does carbon accounting software help to overcome the challenges that organisations are facing today? · How does carbon accounting software work? · What additional benefits are there from using carbon accounting software? · Why is carbon verification becoming increasingly important? · How can carbon accounting software encourage a culture shift? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – We introduce , Co-Founder and Head of Policy and Partnerships at Gravity, who will accompany Mel on a 3-part mini-series diving into carbon accounting software and the value it can bring. In this second episode Mel and Jay explore how carbon accounting software and verification work together for carbon compliance, in addition to the other benefits companies can gain from utilising carbon software. [02:30] Catch-up on the first part – If you missed our first episode in the series, to that before continuing. It gives a more in-depth introduction to Jay, Gravity and carbon accounting software in general. [04:05] What is the role of carbon accounting platforms and how does carbon accounting software help to overcome the challenges that organisations are facing today?: Jay has had many conversations with those that have had challenges historically with gathering the data needed for carbon calculation and verification. As we see more regulations and legislation, this challenge is passed down to those just starting on their journey. Carbon accounting software can help ease the burden involved with these tasks. This can come in the form of making it easy to aggregate the data and doing the necessary calculations while maintaining a trail of where all that information comes from. There’s also an audit trail available for the calculations done, which can be monitored and dug down further into. There’s scope in many dedicated carbon accounting platforms for you to be able to dig deeper into your data if needed. Lastly, this level of transparency in the data is often a requirement of going through full carbon verification in alignment with best practice standards (such as ). Ultimately, carbon accounting software can make the process go a lot more smoothly. [09:05] How does carbon accounting software work? Jay breaks this down to help define the purpose of carbon accounting software, and the additional benefits it can bring, including: A centralised place for carbon data: Often times, businesses need to pull data from a wide variety of places, and collating that data is always a challenge. Dedicated software allows for easier collection and storage of data from all of the necessary sources, such as utilities, logistics and finance. Carbon accounting software will often allow for integrations that allow for existing systems to feed data into the software without any extra burden. With the addition of AI tools, they can even allow for automatic document processing that can interpret the meaning of utility bills, fuel invoices, waste receipts ect to save on manual data entry. Carbon calculation: Another headache associated with carbon reporting is the calculation utilising all that data you’ve painstakingly collected. There’re often additional layers such as conversion or emission factors that need to be considered when making these calculations. Carbon Accounting Software can do all of this for you, saving you the trouble and potential of making mistakes. This in addition to the transparency offered as the software will provide an audit trail to show how it arrived at the final numbers. Carbon Reporting: This isn’t a feature in all carbon related software, but it can be another time saver if you find one that does. The raw calculations data will only get you so far, and that alone may not be enough to meet the requirements of whichever framework you need to comply with. Carbon software can assist with putting those calculations into a usable reporting format. This report and data can then be analysed and used for meaningful action, in addition to complying with a number of different frameworks. Carbon reduction: Some carbon accounting software will also have the additional bonus of being able to help you source potential solutions and vendors to help reduce your carbon emissions. This more proactive stance on taking your findings and making improvements is voluntary in a lot of schemes currently, but we are seeing a rise in a mandatory requirements to show evidence of carbon reduction, so it’s better to get your head around this sooner rather than later. [15:20] Why is carbon verification becoming increasingly important? Sustainability is no longer isolated to one person or department in an organisation, there’s an increasing overlap of sustainability with other functions such as financial reporting. It also coincides with those working towards ESG compliance, as the data collection, calculations and reporting infrastructure for sustainability information can have a very big practical effect. The need for transparency regarding sustainability is also becoming a bigger concern for customers and stakeholders, so naturally, companies are taking it more seriously as more questions are being asked of them in that regard. Having the data and paper trails (or software trails if you prefer) to back up their claims is vital. [19:20] How can carbon accounting software encourage a culture shift? Carbon accounting software is the glue that pulls all the elements of carbon compliance together. It’s often the case that the person responsible for the software in a company is crucial for the full verifications process as well. Though the gathering of data is a team process, and if embedded correctly, then it can act as a catalyst for a cultural shift towards sustainability. Not everyone has to have knowledge of all the inner workings of carbon collection, calculation and reporting, but by being involved in the process they can feel a sense of accomplishment when milestones are reached. By spreading the burden companies can also afford to spend a lot more time working on this than they would have otherwise. Carbon accounting software can help this along by ensuring the data gets where it needs to go, and to make the process simpler for all those involved. The use of both a team-based approach in tandem with dedicated software can also help in regard to risk mitigation by removing single points of failure. Carbon reporting and verification is an annual task, so when people come and go from the business, it’s key that you have the necessary skills, people and tools to help facilitate that process through those organisational changes. If you’d like to learn more about Gravity and how their energy and carbon accounting software can help you, . If you’d like to ask Jay any questions directly, feel free to If you’d like any assistance with Carbon Verification, they’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#227 From Platform To Proof – What Is The Business Driver For Carbon Accounting And Reporting?
08/27/2025
#227 From Platform To Proof – What Is The Business Driver For Carbon Accounting And Reporting?
One of the biggest hurdles for businesses when embarking on their journey to net zero is the calculation required for carbon verification. Depending on the nature and size of a business, it can be quite the undertaking! Those looking to tackle this challenge have various options available to them, including the use of dedicated carbon accounting software, which we’ll explore in our latest mini-series: From Platform to Proof. In the first episode of this series, we introduce Jay Ruckelshaus, Co-Founder and Head of Policy and Partnerships at Gravity, to explore the key drivers behind carbon accounting and reporting and how you can maximise value from going through the process. You’ll learn · Who is Jay Ruckelshaus? · Who are Gravity? · Why do businesses measure their carbon footprint? · Why is the language of business value becoming more important for sustainability professionals? · What are the key drivers for carbon accounting? · How has GHG emissions reporting helped to drive business value? · What should businesses be thinking about to maximise business value? · How can businesses keep up with ever changing sustainability legislation? · The importance of data quality · How can carbon accounting software help? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – We introduce , Co-Founder and Head of Policy and Partnerships at Gravity, who will accompany Mel on a 3-part mini-series diving into carbon accounting software and the value it can bring. In this first episode, they explore the key drivers behind carbon accounting and reporting, and how businesses can maximise the value from the process. [03:10] Who is Jay Ruckelshaus? Jay’s involvement in sustainability was almost an inevitability, coming from a family of environmental lawyers. Energy, climate and sustainability were topics that often came up at the dinner table, and so it remained a subject near and dear to his heart. Initially, Jay thought he would remain in the academic world, studying polarisation and exploring how energy intensive industries think about sustainability. He found his enthusiasm spiked when working directly with companies and individuals on these topics. As a result, he broke out of the academic world to join forces with a few technology leaders to develop a solution to help businesses measure and reduce their emissions. [04:45] Who are Gravity?: Jay founded Gravity 4 years ago (2021). It provides a carbon and energy management platform, which assists businesses with compliance to the alphabet soup of sustainability legislation currently in effect, such as and . This platform also uses the data collected to help businesses find and invest in projects to help reduce their emissions, which ultimately saves on energy, costs and utilities. Their aim was to make it easier for businesses to report their emissions, by streamlining the collection process, and using the data to pre-qualify potential vendors that would fit the businesses needs when it comes to the reduction phase. Jay initially started with emissions heavy industries such as construction, manufacturing logistics, utilities, metals, mining, energy ect. These are industries where data collection can be very challenging, so it provided a very solid base for their software so that it could tackle these challenges first and provide a way for them to work with various e-commerce, software companies and financial institutions, all within one system. [09:05] Why do businesses measure their carbon footprint? Historically, back in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, sustainability was often wrapped up in the wider corporate social responsibility movement. We’ve seen a lot of change in the last decade, where we used to have strictly voluntary schemes such as CSR, that are now transitioning into a requirement. Whether that be by stakeholders or legislation. We’ve also seen a greater interest in ESG metrics, which require solid figures to back up your claims. This trend follows from the introduction of mandatory legislation from the European Union’s CSRD, which is trickling into California law as around 10,000 companies of a certain size that operate in California must now disclose their carbon emissions. [11:40] Why is the language of business value becoming more important for sustainability professionals? It wasn’t too long ago that sustainability professionals were lumped in with groups that managed general social responsibility. We’re seeing more dedicated and senior roles in relation to sustainability, such as ‘Chief Sustainability Officer’. These roles now integrate with most every branch of an organisation, from the financial reporting to the general strategy for the business. It becomes a central part of the business. Its role can reap many benefits for businesses that embed it effectively, including cost cutting, energy reduction, creation or use of innovative products, opening doors to new markets and investment opportunities. [14:15] What are the key business drivers for carbon accounting? There are many benefits for carbon accounting, such as: - Saving energy: Energy prices are volatile, and often on the rise. Carbon accounting allows you to have a full view on what you’re consuming and where you can reduce or look to more efficient options. Building in sustainability from the top down: With increasing scrutiny from stakeholder and consumers regarding sustainability, it’s in leaderships interest to ensure that sustainability is embedded in your business strategy. This alignment sets you up well for the future, In addition to creating an avenue to reap other benefits from meaningful sustainability action. New opportunities: Embarking on your sustainability journey will open many new doors. Whether this be for innovative new technology, new partners and suppliers that better align with your values, or access to new investment opportunities. [18:05] How has GHG emissions reporting helped to drive business value? Businesses that get their emissions verified against can benefit from improved insurance rates and access to green finance. It’s also a necessary step towards energy and cost savings. You can’t reduce what you can’t measure. Doing this correctly will require time and resources, thankfully we’re at a time where there are a lot of tools to help businesses with data collection for reporting purposes. The key is to understand where you currently stand, and where you can make improvements. From there you can look at vendors to assist and what financing is available to help facilitate the required changes. Jay states an example of where Gravity managed to save a US based aluminum foundry over $400,000 in energy costs from their initial assessment. This was achieved through identifying energy hotspots and finding vendors and initiatives to help reduce the energy use and costs. [21:15] What should businesses be thinking about to maximise business value?: The biggest challenge for carbon accounting is typically gathering the data. There are a lot of things to consider, facility energy usage, travel, home workers ect. To make this easier, you should ideally have a centralised location to report and track your emissions data. You also need to ensure that this is as accurate as possible. In order to make sure this doesn’t turn into an annual tick-box exercise, you need to embed proactive processes for monitoring and measuring this data. This way, when you have anomalies in energy usage, you can identify these quickly and put plans in place to address it. [24:25] How can businesses keep up with ever changing sustainability legislation? In recent years, the goal posts for specific sustainability regulation and legislation has changed a lot. This is in part due to convergence that is happening between the frameworks, countries and Governments adopting the best bits out of other requirements to make theirs more robust. So, while a lot of the information they’re asking for is largely the same, it can still be very confusing to navigate. Jay advises that businesses focus on getting a core system for reporting, monitoring and measuring energy usage and carbon emissions in place. Depending on the requirements that you need to adhere to, you can slice and dice that data up however it’s needed, but setting up a unified approach that’s embedded throughout your business to get the data needed is they key. [28:40] The Importance of data quality: Your first attempt at this process will likely be rough and ready. Gathering the basics of what’s available such as utility bills and general energy usage. Presenting this estimation can make for a great business case to put in place measures to get more granular data. The more granular the data, the more insightful it can be, offering you more opportunities to save money and implement reduction initiatives. This data will reveal trends, form benchmarks and present opportunities for meaningful action that benefits both the business and the environment, all while satisfying your legal and regulatory requirements. [30:50] How can carbon accounting software help?: Data collection is hard, getting the data where you need it to be can be nightmare, especially when multiple departments are involved. Having a centralised location makes this task a lot easier. Calculating this data into something usable is also tricky, and would likely require a skillset that you won’t have readily available. This may also involve knowledge of conversion factors if you have multiple international locations. Having a system that can manage all of this, while using methodologies that are in alignment with best practice standards is crucial. Lastly, technology such as carbon accounting software, can really help with creating a proactive approach to the measurement and reporting process. It can reveal anomalies and trends to be acted on, as it can help source vendors and projects to help with emission reductions. If you’d like to learn more about Gravity and how their energy and carbon accounting software can help you, check out their website. If you’d like any assistance with Carbon Verification, they’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#226 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Minoo Agarwal
08/20/2025
#226 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Minoo Agarwal
Becoming an ISO consultant isn’t a career path many aspire to, rather it’s one often stumbled on after being tasked with either implementing or maintaining a Standard for a business. We’re continuing with our latest mini-series where we introduce members of our team, to explore how they fell into the world of ISO and discuss the common challenges they face while helping clients achieve ISO certification. In this episode we introduce Minoo Agarwal, a QHSE Consultant at Blackmores, to learn about her journey of following in her father’s footsteps towards ISO Standards Management, and what drives her to help clients on their ISO journey. You’ll learn · What is Minoo’s role at Blackmores? · What does Minoo enjoy outside of consultancy? · What path did Minoo take to become an ISO Consultant? · What is the biggest challenge she’s faced when implementing ISO Standards? · What is Minoo’s biggest achievement? Resources · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – We introduce Minoo Agarwal, a QHSE Consultant here at Blackmores, to discuss her journey towards becoming an ISO consultant who specialises in ISO 14001, ISO 9001, ISO 45001 and ISO 27001. [03:50] What is Minoo’s role at Blackmores? Minno’s official job title is QHSE Consultant. She is the ISO14001:2015 standard champion and a Mental Health First Aider for Blackmores. Ultimately, Minoo supports clients with embedding Management System into the heart of their companies. Her work with them typically consists of: · Conducting internal audits · Management review · Consultancy days or document review days Essentially doing whatever it takes to getting the management system to be at a suitable level to pass external audits. [05:05] What does Minoo enjoy doing outside of consultancy?: Minoo’s free time is mostly taken up by her dear son, Aarav. He’s very young at the moment; and so Minoo makes sure that any of her input into his life is to ensure that he is successful in whatever career he chooses. In addition, Aarav has a very busy social life! So, she’s makes sure her gets plenty of time to play with his friends. Minoo is also a bit of a foodie, enjoying eating out when possible. She also enjoys reading books by authors such as Jay Shetty and the Sad Guru. [07:10] What was Minoo’s path towards becoming an ISO Consultant?: Minoo, like many of our consultants, didn’t know that she would become a consultant. The opportunity was presented by Mel Blackmore via LinkedIn in 2019, on April 1st of all dates! Minoo’s passion for this field arose from her father, Mr Hardial Agarwal, who is very well known in the industry. He worked as a consultant for Crayola for many years, travelling abroad to meet with various suppliers and international branches of the company. His work always held an air of mystery to Minoo as a child, and she become more curious about his role in later years, even attending CQI meetings with her father to learn more. She started her career in 2006 as a Quality, Environmental, Health & Safety Administrator and since then really never looked back, progressing from role to role from roles like Quality Associate, to a Business Quality Control Officer, to a QESH Auditor, to HSQE Compliance Manager and then as a Head of Quality. Each role gave her a different experience of life. As a result, she has worked in many industries ranging from electronics to logistics to pharma and even automotive and IT. She feels very fortunate to gain experience and knowledge from a range of industries from her previous roles, and now more so from Blackmores where this knowledge develops further. [12:35] What is Minoo’s favourite aspect of being a Consultant? – Minoo genuinely loves her role as a consultant at Blackmores, it was hard to narrow down a specific aspect. That being said, Minoo loves to hear when a client of hers has passed their surveillance and re-certification audits, especially if it was with no findings. It’s a return on their combined effort as a team to get recognition of that fact from a certification body. She also enjoys the teamwork involved, often being seen as a real member of the client’s team. As a consultant, a bid part of your role is building strong working relationships, which makes the whole process run a lot more smoothly. She also takes a bit of joy in being able to be a bit bossy, though all the guidance is with the best intentions. [15:40] What Standards does Minoo specilaise in and why? Starting with: · Quality Management: A core foundation that many businesses start with when diving into the world of ISO Standards. This is an essential one for any ISO consultant and is often the first Implementation experience for many who go on to become ISO consultants. · Environmental Management: Minoo is our Standards champion for this Standard. This involves keeping on-top of any changes to the Standard and creating internal training material for the team. · Health and Safety Management: A few of Minoo’s previous roles involved health and safety compliance, so she learned a lot about ISO 45001 and general risk management along the way. · Information Security Management: This one was a necessity to learn when joining Blackmores. Many of our clients have integrated management systems with multiple ISO certifications, most of which include ISO 27001. Minoo also has some experience with MHRA regulations and . [18:20] What is the biggest challenge Minoo had faced during a project and how did she overcome it?: Minoo stresses that it’s fundamental to fully understand the requirements of the client from the very onset of the project, if that is understood then there will be no challenges during a project. She provides two incidents in particular that stood out: Scope creep: There was an incident when there was a misunderstanding of the work agreed, and the client had anticipated much more than what was agreed. As a result, Minoo had to complete the work in her own time to meet their expectations. Personal bias: There have been incidents not related to projects but external audits when external assessors start to audit the client by providing what they believe their interpretations is of the standard is the only way that it can be implemented. Forgetting the fact that Standards are built to be flexible in the way they are implemented. They can get very fussy about the exact way documentation should be laid out and worded, which is obviously not a specific stipulation within a Standard. Minoo has overcome this by confronting the assessor at the time and asking them to explain where in the standard it say that – basically keeping them in check. [21:30] What is Minoo’s proudest achievement? On the work side, Minoo is always proud to hear when a client has passed their Surveillance and Recertification Audits with no or few findings. On the personal side, it’s her son who she lovingly dubs as her masterpiece. She’s already instilling the values of health and safety into him, and he’s always looking out for others. She couldn’t be prouder to watch him grow up into his own person. If you’d like any assistance with implementing ISO standards, we’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . 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#225 Culligan International’s Carbon Verification Success – Tackling Scope 1 and 2 Emissions
08/13/2025
#225 Culligan International’s Carbon Verification Success – Tackling Scope 1 and 2 Emissions
The process of verifying your carbon emissions requires a lot of data gathering, number crunching and in some cases conversion if you’re international. It’s certainly no small task! However, it’s worth the effort. With it completed you will have a much better idea of your current impact and be able to make better informed decisions on how to reduce it. When starting out on your verification journey you’ll need to start with calculating your scope 1 & 2 emissions, these are the direct and indirect greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions that your business is responsible for. That alone can be quite a mammoth task, especially if you have a lot of locations worldwide, such is the case as today’s guest: Culligan. In this episode, Mel is joined by Martin Murden, ESG Manager at Culligan International, to discuss why Culligan started their verification journey, the key insights uncovered, and the challenges involved with calculating emissions for a large international organisation. You’ll learn · Who is Martin Murden? · Who are Culligan International? · Why are Culligan seeking third-party verification for scope 1 & 2? · Key insights uncovered as a result of verification · What changes have they made to their data collection processes? · How did internal teams find the experience? · How have Culligan utilised verified data? · What is the biggest misconception about the verification process? Resources · · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Mel Blackmore is joined by , ESG Manager at Culligan, to discuss their carbon verification journey and explore the challenges associated with calculating scope 1 & 2 emissions for a large international organisation. [03:25] Who is Martin Murden? Martin is an ESG Manager at Culligan, his role focuses more on the environmental aspect of ESG compliance. His main role involves looking after Culligan’s carbon emissions, carbon reduction plan, evaluating use of resources and exploring initiatives to reduce their current impact. One fun fact that not many people know about Martin, one of his ancestors was involved in the creation of Turkish delight! [06:25] Who are Culligan International? Culligan International are a global leader in water services. Their solutions provide cleaner, safer, better tasting water. While not a household name here in the UK, chances are if you’re refilling a bottle from a cooler, it’s likely derived from one of Culligan’s brands. They own over 100 businesses in over 40 countries, with more than 600 sites ranging from warehouses and offices to production and water bottling plants. They also manage 7000 vehicles which help with delivering, installing and maintaining their equipment. With over 15,000 people working at Culligan, it’s clear to say that it’s a large organisation with a lot of moving parts. They keep sustainability at the heart of their business, working to discourage the use of single use plastic, and looking at other ways to reduce their impact via their supply chain. [08:45] Why did Culligan seek third-party carbon verification? – There were a few reasons, including: - Regulatory requirements: Being a global business, there are a number of mandatory reporting requirements coming down the pipeline in certain countries they operate in, such as Australia and Mexico, Canada, California. Accuracy: Part of these requirements is assuring the transparency and accuracy of the data. Third-party assurance is essential to meet mandatory reporting requirements, in addition to being an added level of assurance for stakeholders. From an internal point of view, it also gives the ESG team more confidence in the gathered data, allowing them to form a more robust baseline for their decarbonisation strategy. [10:15] Culligan’s decarbonisation strategy – In 2024, Culligan published a number of commitments, one of those was to reduce its scope 1 and 2 carbon emissions by 40% by 2035. They built a decarbonisation plan based on information that they had available internally. This consisted of looking at vehicle fleet use and facilities use, how large they are and what kind of energy sources they use. They also spoke to individual business units to understand where it may be possible to switch to renewable energy sources, how initial energy use could be reduced and making use of lower carbon vehicles. They were confident in their ability to reduce their impact, but they needed that third-party assurance that their initial baseline was as accurate as possible. [11:35] Is this the first time Culligan has gone through a formal verification process? – While they have measured their carbon emissions since 2022, they have never formally gone through the full verification process before. [11:55] How did they prepare for the formal verification process? – The first step was selecting a reputable carbon verification body to verify their calculations. They opted to go ahead with Carbonology, spending a lot of time with their assigned auditor to: · Understand what the requirements were · Ascertain what the priorities were · Understand what evidence was required They also needed to clearly communicate internally so that all their stakeholders and data owners were aware of what was required from them and when they needed to provide it by. Martin has found that over the past 3 years of collating data required for carbon emission calculations, they have greatly improved their level of accuracy and accountability. With the goal of carbon verification providing a much-needed focus, they’ve been able to identify potential gaps in their evidence received from local data owners. [14:10] How did Culligan find the experience of working with Carbonology?:- They were pleasantly surprised! ISO Standard audits can be daunting at the best of times as you’re not really sure what to expect, however, Carbobology were great at guiding the process so it all ran smoothly. This included a process of daily review meetings and establishing a daily agenda and priorities. Martin found himself looking forward to those meetings as they opened up the opportunity to discuss how to improve the accuracy of data in addition to the collection methods. [16:05] What were the key insights Culligan found when going through the carbon verification process? – They certainly had a few surprises along the way, mostly positive, including: - Exposing inaccuracies: There were cases of inaccuracies in their original data, where data owners accidentally added an extra 0, or accidentally selected gigawatt hours instead of kilowatt hours when uploading submissions. Going through this process allowed them to tidy up their data. Identifying high energy usage: Using this updated accurate data, they could then identify what sites had a higher-than-average rate of energy consumption. Holistic approach: The data provided a fuller picture of where their emissions were over or understated. They could then interrogate any irregularities and look at where improvements could be made, in addition to updating their data collection methods where necessary. [18:35] What changes have Culligan made to their data collection and reporting process as a result of verification? – They’re now looking at other options for collecting data. Ideally, they’d like to connect their data to a centralised sources, rather than having to approach each business individually. With over 100 businesses owned, you can appreciate that this is quite a time consuming task! There are other opportunities such as getting API links in place directly with their back office systems and utility providers, so that manual intervention isn’t required. Technology related to carbon data collection is advancing each year, there are a number of platforms that can make this process more efficient. For example, Culligan are looking into OCR software that can read PDF supplier invoices so that this no longer has to be a manual activity. Looking forward, they would like to capture evidence needed for the audit process at the point of data entry, rather than having to ask data owners a second time to provide copies of invoices they’d already populated in a different database. [20:55] Were there any unexpected challenges or collaboration as a result of the carbon verification process? – Martin was expecting some pushback, however he was pleasantly surprised with the amount of buy-in they had from local business units. It seemed they really understood the benefits to the business on their level and for Culligan as a whole. As they’d been collating data for a few years now, a process was already in place meaning there was minimal work to do on their end. Many of their local businesses have found it a real benefit to have this information available, as many clients and prospective clients are asking about their sustainability credentials. Also, having credible third-party verification validating their claims gives them a step up from competitors, in addition to providing those clients assurance that Culligan followed due diligence. [23:05] What additional value has third-party verification provided? –The main benefits were strengthening stakeholder trust and improved reporting confidence internally. The initial reactions that Culligan had from colleagues once they’d shared the news that they’d passed the accreditation was an extremely positive one. Shortly after they were inundated with requests from their global business units for copies of the ISO certificate provided by Carbonology, so that they could share it with their clients and customers. It's also provided some much-needed confidence to the ESG team in terms of combatting claims of greenwashing. With verification against the internally recognised standard , they know they won’t have anyone challenging the validity of their carbon emission figures. [25:00] How else will the verified data be utilised across Culligan? – Sustainability is a key focus for Culligan, this information provides a starting point for meaning reduction in their impact, in addition to satisfying stakeholder requirements and requests for the data. It short, it benefits everyone. Culligan have recently published their 3rd annual ESG report, and the verification is referred to regularly throughout that report, in addition to their external communications throughout the year. This step has shown that they’re not simply jumping on the Net Zero bandwagon, they want to really understand their impact so that they can make meaningful change. In the short-term, they’re looking to tackle their scope 3 emissions within the next 12 months, and hopefully get third-party verification for those as well. [27:15] What are Culligan’s medium and long terms goals for sustainability? – Scope 3 is the next thing they want to tackle, however, that will not be a small undertaking. They used predominantly purchased goods and services data to estimate their upstream emissions, so they need to hone in on those and ensure that they retain the same level of accuracy and consistency as the process used to calculate the scope 1 and 2 emissions. The ESG journey is not linear, and will constantly adapt and flex as they move forward. Their main goal is simply to reduce emissions, through a reduction in resources used and the promotion of sustainability efforts such as reducing the use of single use plastic. [29:05] What is the biggest misconception about the verification process? – For Martin, this is the fear of the unknown. For a large organisation like Culligan, this was daunting at first. Having to communicate to all their different stakeholders what the requirements are and what data and evidence was needed. For the verification process, it was a worry if they were in for a long and painful process. In actuality, it was 8 days worth of preparation followed by 8 days of reviewing, which was much more painless than anticipated! It’s all about establishing effective processes to manage this task on an annual basis. It will soon become business as usual, so the burden will reduce year on year. It can be challenging to start with, which is where third-party expertise can help fill the gaps in your knowledge. [31:35] Martin’s book recommendations – by Liam Fox [26:35] Martin’s favorite quotes – ‘We don't need 100 perfect activists, but millions of imperfect ones’ – Clover Hogan founder of . ‘Preserve wildlife. Pickle a squirrel.’ – Philosophy from a London bathroom stall. If you’d like to learn more about Culligan, check out their and . If you’d like any assistance with Carbon Verification, feel free to get in touch with Carbonology, they’d be happy to help. We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#224 Greater Anglia’s Ongoing Success With ISO 55001 Asset Management
07/31/2025
#224 Greater Anglia’s Ongoing Success With ISO 55001 Asset Management
Asset Management can be explained as a systematic process of planning, operating, maintaining, upgrading and replacing assets cost-effectively with minimum risk and at the expected levels of service over the assets’ life cycle. One sector where effective asset management can make a huge difference is public transportation, with organisations having to keep track of an exhaustive list of costly vehicles and infrastructure. Long time listeners may recall a where we interviewed the train operator, Greater Anglia, after they successfully achieved ISO 55001, the best practice standard for asset management. Now 3 years on, they’ve been recently recertified and have learned a lot since their initial certification. In this episode, Andrew Barnes, Head of Asset Management at Greater Anglia, joins Ian Battersby to discuss how they currently manage their ISO 55001 certification, what they’ve learned in the past 3 years since certification and the benefits of effective asset management. You’ll learn · Who is Andrew Barnes? · Who are Greater Anglia? · How do Greater Anglia manage their ISO 55001 certification? · What lessons have been learned since their initial certification? · What are the main benefits of ISO 55001? · Andrew’s top tip for ISO Implementation Resources · · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Ian Battersby is joined by Andrew Barnes, Head of Asset Management at Greater Anglia, to discuss their experience with being certified to ISO 55001 for the past 3 years, explaining the lessons learned and benefits gained. [03:25] Who is Andrew Barnes? Andy is currently the Head of Asset Management at Greater Anglia. A fun fact that not many people know about him is that he was part of the Lord Mayor’s Show in the 80’s, though he had a bit of a wardrobe malfunction that ended with him getting a stern talking to! Andy has been working in the railways since 1985, starting as an apprentice with British Rail. [05:15] Who are Greater Anglia? Greater Anglia are a train operator who took over from National Express, East Anglia back in 2012. They serve the Anglia region from Liverpool Street Station, and are unusual among railway companies in that they are under a full repairing and insuring lease. This differs from most who have station access conditions, where the responsibility for maintenance and repair is split between Network Rail and the train operator. They currently operate 134 stations, with 2 more under construction which are Burley Park (due to open in October 2025) and Cambridge South (opening in early 2026). In addition to the stations, they also own 7 depots for train stabling and maintenance. So in short, a lot of assets to keep track of! [07:40] Extra asset requirements – They are also now challenged on cleanliness at train stations. This involves mystery shoppers visiting stations and marking them against certain criteria to give a score, which Greater Anglia tend to score quite highly. They also have to inspect all of their assets on a conditioned surveying scheme, the scores of which need to be communicated to Network Rail. [09:00] Andy’s role as Head of Asset Management – Andy is relatively new to this role, becoming the Head of Asset Management in April 2025. He has a team of asset inspectors that conduct the condition surveys internally. He’s also responsible for the Engineer Insurance Team, part of their role is to determine the technical aspects of large schemes that require focused designs. [10:05] How do Greater Anglia manage their ISO certifications? – In addition to , Greater Anglia also hold and a number of standards specific to engineering. They have benefitted from 3rd party support in the form of utilising Blackmores consultancy to help gain certification and aid with on-going support for internal audits. Their processes and procedures are all managed by their Project Management Team, who conduct regular reviews against ISO requirements to ensure they stay relevant and in alignment with best practice. They also have a strategic asset management plan, risk register and continuous improvement plans in place to address various elements of both asset management and general quality management. Like with most ISO Standards, there’s a lot of crossover in the requirements, so elements of each certification can easily be integrated and used to bolster an existing management system. [11:15] The benefit of a maturing management system – Andy is quite keen on learning from their maturing management system. Through effective implementation, you can look back and see what’s working well and where improvements can be made. Having a certain level of management system maturity enables you to make more informed continual improvement decisions. [13:20] A structured approach – Prior to ISO 55001 certification, they were still doing everything that was required of them to maintain assets simply because that was the right thing to do. What they lacked was the structured processes and procedures to support that hard work. It wasn’t as planned and more of a reactionary approach to asset management. Andy appreciates the clearly defined lines, processes and ability to learn from their mistakes as a result of ISO 55001 implementation. It simply helped provide a more consistent and collaborative base for effective asset management. [14:25] Other benefits from ISO 55001 certification:- Improved efficiency: New and improved processes helped to manage both their time and internal resource. They eliminated unnecessary meetings, and consolidated key discussion points for their regular meet-ups to ensure important updates were prioritised. Risk Mitigation: They now have a structured approach to learning from past mistakes. This is managed via a Lessons Learned Database, which collates the answers to specific questions that get asked after project completion. They make sure to include contractor input so all parties involved feel the benefits. Recently, they’ve also been granted access to Network Rail’s Lesson’s Learned database, so they will benefit from an even wider knowledge base for future projects. Consistent approach: Their current management system ensures that everyone is following the same policies, processes and procedures. People know what their responsibilities are, who to communicate what to and how they can help contribute to improvement efforts. Continual Improvement culture shift: The management system doesn’t require everyone to know everything from the get-go. It encourages a culture of learning with the goal of continual improvement, so people aren’t afraid of suggesting actions for innovation. [19:45] Lessons learned: Not just from mistakes – Ultimately, from an asset management point of view, Greater Anglia want to maintain or renew an asset as functional and preserve it for as long as possible. They need to intervene as quickly and as efficiently as possible to minimise the impact to people using it. Minimising the time on site with things like modular construction and hauling large equipment are things we’ve done due to lessons learned from other projects. These were positive changes that we’ve taken on not due to mistakes but simply from trying different things. A lesson learned doesn’t have to result from a mistake. It’s about learning from both risks and opportunities. [21:20] Top ISO Implementation tips from Andy – Do your homework: Have a good understanding of your Management System and take your time to weave it into your day-to-day activities. A helping hand: Make use of an ISO champion, whether that’s someone internal with ISO knowledge or a 3rd party dedicated ISO consultancy (such as Blackmores) to help you break down an ISO Standard into something you can understand and apply to your way of working. Recording evidence: Don’t just talk the talk, walk the walk! Once a process or procedure is documented, follow it, and record evidence of this. Same goes for any actions for improvement that are raised, don’t just let it sit there, action it. [23:45] Andy’s take away from ISO 55001 management – Andy is surprised by how attuned their business is to the Standard. The Standard speak may seem obtuse or vague, but its adaptability is it’s greatest strength. You have the flexibility to apply it in a way that works for your business. [25:15] Andy’s book recommendations – and . [26:35] Andy’s favorite quote – ‘By Failing to prepare, you’re preparing to fail’ – Benjamin Franklin If you’d like to learn more about Greater Anglia, check out their and . If you’d like any assistance with ISO 55001 Asset Management, feel free to , we’d be happy to help. We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#223 What Are The Benefits Of Outsourced ISO Support?
07/15/2025
#223 What Are The Benefits Of Outsourced ISO Support?
ISO certification is more than just earning a certificate, and it requires continuous maintenance to both retain certification and drive effective improvements. Over the course of your 3-year certification cycle, you will need to ensure your Management System is regularly updated and reviewed so that it remains relevant to the way you’re currently working. That in addition to annual tasks such as internal auditing and management review, it can be a lot to keep on top of. Which is why some turn to external ISO Support. In this episode, Steph Churchman explains what ISO Support is, the challenges of managing ISO internally and the benefits of external support. You’ll learn · What is ISO Support? · What tasks can you outsource · Challenges of managing ISO internally · What are the benefits of ISO Support? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Steph explains what is meant by ISO Support, explains the challenges with managing ISO internally and the benefits of engaging in external support. [02:20] What is ISO Support? ISO certification involves a 3-year cycle, where you will be subjected to an annual Surveillance audit by your certification body. On year 3, you will need to undertake a recertification audit, which will determine if you can keep your ISO certification. During that cycle, you will be required to complete annual tasks such as internal auditing, documentation updates and management review to ensure that your management system is effective in driving continual improvement. ISO Support is a service provided by an external party to help facilitate the management of these annual tasks, usually undertaken by a dedicated ISO consultancy. [03:40] What tasks can be outsourced? To learn about what tasks can be outsourced, check out a previous episode. [03:55] ISO Management Challenge #1: Internal auditors not being comfortable about auditing their peers - It may be the case that certain individuals do no get on, however if someone manages a key process or area of the business, they still need to be audited. There’s also the chance for auditors to be misunderstood, or have trouble getting the answers they need from auditees. Auditing requires the ability to effectively communicate and make yourself understood. It’s quite common for auditees to ask for further clarification on questions asked, so you need to be able to work with them so that they understand what you’re really asking. [04:45] ISO Management Challenge #2: Internal auditors not being particularly objective or impartial when auditing leadership – It can be hard to be impartial towards leadership, even if it is ultimately in their best interest! These dynamics can be habitual, but by not pointing out genuine issues or opportunities for improvement, you dimmish the purpose of the exercise. This also involves any leadership being receptive to feedback given. If this hasn’t been taken well in the past, it’s understandable for individuals to be hesitant doing so again, even if it’s a necessary part of the process. [05:35] ISO Management Challenge #3: Fed up with paying for training for a high turnover of internal auditors - Internal Auditing will require a qualification, which will cost money. It’s not a tremendous amount for these courses, but it would be an extra thing to budget for, and then there’s factoring the time to complete the course which takes away from that individuals other responsibilities. It can also be frustrating when your only Internal Auditor moves on and so you have to train another. Depending on the business, this could happen quite frequently and so ends up being a repetitive expense. You will also need to ensure any current auditors are competent to audit against any new ISO Standards that you may add along the way. [06:35] ISO Management Challenge #4: Managers not having time to update processes - Your Management system is likely owned by either just 1 individual or by a small team within the business. Those involved will already have their plates full with day-to-day operations, and anything ISO related is just another task to add onto that pile. In the eyes of many, they may seem unimportant in comparison, and will continually get shuffled down the priority list until it’s time for a Surveillance Audit. There will also be a certain amount of documentation to review and update on a regular basis. Even those with mature systems can experience trouble with duplicated processes, or confusion with old versions, and finding the time to sit and refresh all of that is often hard to accomplish. [07:30] ISO Management Challenge #5: Managers not aware of their legal, regulatory or ISO Standards requirements - As ISO Standards lay out best practice, they do require businesses to be aware of and adhere to relevant legislation and regulations. Managers will likely not be an expert in ISO Standards or legislation, so it can be easy for things to get missed if they’ve not had sufficient training beforehand. It will take time for relevant individuals within a business to be trained, or complete CPD to be fully competent to ensure full ISO and legal compliance. [08:25] ISO Management Challenge #6: Not updating key information i.e. Risk Register, BCP’s, environmental/energy metrics - Monitoring and measuring is a big part of ISO Management. You need to document certain metrics if you want to track them effectively. You will also need to update key documentation, as nothing stays the same forever. Major business changes may prompt updates to key policies and procedures. You may have opportunities to improve that fall out of audits that require certain documentation to be updated. Or correcting things where non-conformities have been raised. These updates are necessary to keep the momentum of a management system going. It needs to grow with you, which it will fail to do if everything documented is only applicable to how your business operated a few years ago. [09:15] ISO Management Challenge #7: Not reviewing key information i.e. Objectives, Environmental/H & S/Data Security trends - Objectives is another key metric that should be reviewed on a regular basis. To not only establish if you are making progress with them, but also to possibly adjust if the original plans were too lofty. They should still be a challenge to obtain, but we’re all only human and sometimes our first estimates about what’s achievable might be a tad too ambitious. There is also a need to review audit results to see if there’s any trends in areas such as info sec, sustainability and risk. This could be opportunities for improvement or some reoccurring issues that need to be addressed. All of this monitoring is going to require dedicated time from relevant personal, including feeding back results and following through with further actions. [10:55] ISO Support Benefit #1: Expertise and Specialisation - Dedicated ISO consultants will keep you up-to-date with the latest standard revisions, interpretations, and best practices. This includes their experience with helping businesses to plan and conduct annual maintenance. They are there as a guiding hand and can be a great sounding board for you if you have questions surrounding ideas or actions that you’re unsure about. Their help ensures your system is maintained effectively and most importantly, compliantly. [11:40] ISO Support Benefit #2: Cost Savings - While there's a fee for outsourcing, it’s often more cost-effective than maintaining an in-house team or dedicating significant internal resources. As mentioned earlier, you would need qualified internal auditors at the very least, this will require training costs. You also need to consider the time taken out of individual’s typical working schedule to be able to conduct annual ISO maintenance, this will take away from their day-to-day tasks. We took this into consideration when creating our ISO Support Plan option, which is a 3-year contract that allows you to stay at a fixed rate for those 3-years. It’s a set it and forget it approach to ISO Support, which is flexible on both the number of days required annually in addition to the tasks you’d like support with. [12:35] ISO Support Benefit #3: Reduced Workload for Internal Staff - It’s often the case that Individuals, especially in SMEs, often wear many hats. Adding ISO maintenance onto that will impact on their day-to-day activities. Outsourcing frees up their time and resources, allowing them to focus on core business activities rather than the complexities of ISO maintenance. A lot of people don’t take training into consideration for people who get handed the task of maintaining a management system. It’s a lot of unnecessary stress when they’ve likely already got enough on their plate. Outsourcing will take a lot of that burden away, and give them a chance to lean on consultant guidance and be able to learn how to manage the tasks without fear of jeopardising the company’s certification. [13:30] ISO Support Benefit #4: Impartiality and Objectivity - An external consultant can offer an unbiased perspective on your management system's performance, identifying areas for improvement that might be overlooked by internal staff due to familiarity, bias or ingrained practices. A fresh pair of eyes can provide a lot of valuable insight, in addition to their lessons learned from other clients. It also helps to have another unbiased voice on your side if you have suggestions for improvement that need presenting to leadership. It should also be noted that impartial audits are a requirement of ISO Standards, this is so you’re not marking your own homework all the time. It’s another level of assurance that you are doing what you say you’re doing. [14:20] ISO Support Benefit #5: Continuity and Risk Mitigation - Employee turnover can disrupt internal ISO maintenance. Outsourcing provides continuity, as any external provider will be available for the duration of an agreed contract, there’s no ambiguity on how long you have their support for. They will help you plan out what needs to be done, and facilitate this with the relevant individuals within your business. [15:00] ISO Support Benefit #6: Improved Efficiency and Effectiveness - External specialists will have the experience to help streamline processes and tools for maintenance activities. Making the system and it’s running more efficient, leaving you with more time to implement worthwhile changes that reap tangible results. Having their guidance from the start means you’ll be hitting the ground running. At Blackmores, we ensure that annual activities are planned out in advance so everyone can be prepared and work on a consistent schedule. [15:40] ISO Support Benefit #7: Enhanced Compliance and Audit Readiness - Outsourced consultants are going to be more adept at ensuring the system remains fully compliant with ISO standards. As they can proactively identify and address non-conformities that could easily be missed by those with significantly less auditing experience. There is a level of experience that is tricky to achieve if you do not regularly conduct internal audits. Consultants know what to look for, and will often have significant industry experience to know what stones to unturn to find issues and opportunities. Afterall, that is the purpose of internal audits, to not only check that process, policies and procedures are being followed, but to seek out where you can be doing better, or fixing issues as your business changes and adapts. [16:40] ISO Support Benefit #8: Focus on Core Business Activities - By offloading the burden of ISO maintenance, you can re-allocate your focus and resources to core business activities and strategic initiatives. ISO Consultants can take a lot of the mental burden of managing ISO systems away. There will still be homework to do on your side, as ultimately, you know how your business works best, but a consultant will guide you through what needs to be done. We know that many of you tasked with ISO compliance in your business have another primary role that requires a lot more of your attention. So make it easier on yourselves with the help of an expert, so you can get on and do what you need to do with minimal interruption. [17:30] ISO Support Benefit #9: Potential for Scalability and Flexibility - Outsourced services can often be scaled up or down based on the business's needs, offering flexibility that an internal team might not be able to provide, especially during periods of growth, crisis or during large projects. ISO Consultants can help either pick up the slack or give you more of the rope to handle annual ISO maintenance depending on what you need or want. At Blackmores, we have an ISO Support Plan that can be tailored to your exact needs, including the options to complete tasks such as:- · Conducting impartial internal audits · Providing surveillance support · Updating legal registers · Documentation updates · Conducting annual management reviews With 3 levels of support available, we have no issue with you increasing or decreasing days required each year, or varying the tasks depending on where you need the most support. If you’d like any assistance with ISO Support, feel free to , we’d be happy to help. We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#222 What Are The Benefits Of An Integrated Management System?
07/02/2025
#222 What Are The Benefits Of An Integrated Management System?
ISO Standards are often a must have due to stakeholder requirements, whether that’s from your customers, investors or regulators. The need for multiple ISO certifications is also becoming more common, which can become a tricky task to juggle if you’re managing these as separate systems. The solution? An Integrated Management System. In this episode, Steph Churchman explains what an integrated management system is, how the Annex SL format facilitates integration and the benefits and challenges involved with an IMS. You’ll learn · What is an Integrated Management System? · Why consider an IMS? · What is the Annex SL format? · What are the benefits of an IMS? · What are the challenges of implementing an IMS? Resources · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Steph explains what an Integrated Management System is, how the Annex SL format makes this possible and dives into the benefits and challenges associated with an IMS. [02:20] What is an Integrated Management System? Often abbreviated to ‘IMS’, it simply refers to a management system based off certification to or alignment with multiple ISO Standards. For example, a company may be certified to , and but will only have 1 Management system rather than 3 sperate systems. [03:30] What is the Annex SL format? The Annex SL format was applied to most ISO Standards back in 2015. This format helped to create a consistent 10 clause structure which makes it simple to integrate multiple ISO Standards. Before this was introduced, not all Standard clauses aligned, making it difficult to audit against and combine with other Standards, even if they had similar requirements. [04:00] The Annex SL 10 Clause Structure explained:– · The first 3 clauses are explanatory clauses. These give you more context for the purpose of the standards, as well as providing a helpful glossary of terms and definitions that you’ll come across in the Standard. These clauses aren’t audited against · Clause 4 - Context of the Organisation: This is where you’ll be establishing your scope, your interested parties and looking at where your risks and opportunities are. It’s setting the foundation for your Management system. · Clause 5 Leadership: This is where you’ll need commitment from top management. They will need to be involved with tasks such as establishing key policies, assigning roles & responsibilities and communicating the Management System once you’re ready to launch it. · Clause 6 Planning: This is where you will look at the risks and opportunities raised during the context phase and plan what actions you’ll take to address them. This is in addition to setting your business objectives. · Clause 7 Support: This is where you will establish the resources you have available to create and facilitate the running of the Management system. This clause gives you guidance for considerations such as people, infrastructure, monitoring and measurement needs, competence of staff and key communication requirements. · Clause 8 Operation: This clause is where the main differences can be found between ISO Standards. It provides guidance on considerations for key processes and procedures relating to the Standard focus. ISO 9001 for example contains a rather chunky clause 8 as it details requirements for products and services, including the development and provision of them. While clause 8 focuses more on information security risk assessments and risk treatment plans. · Clause 9 Performance Evaluation: This is where you establish the who, what and when involved in the monitoring, measurement and evaluation of your management system. This is also where Internal Auditing requirements are detailed. · Clause 10 Continual Improvement: This is the driving force of all ISO Standards. In this last clause you’ll find requirements for Management review and non-conformity and corrective action. That’s simply about reviewing the effectiveness of the Management system and putting plans in place to correct any non-conformities raised, or act on any of those opportunities for improvement. [08:00] IMS Benefit #1: Cost Saving – ISO Implementation can get costly, especially if you’re investing in a consultancy to help you in addition to the certification body costs involved in the actual assessment. You can save money by implementing multiple standards at the same time. At Blackmores, we’re happy to help you implement multiple ISO’s at the same time. This saves on the time spent if you were to do them separately, as we typically combine elements of the selected standards in project days such as during a Gap analysis, document creation and internal audits. On the certification body side, you can save on assessment days by assessing against an integrated management system, rather than assessing against 2 separate management systems. Many will do their best to accommodate integrated assessment and surveillance audits. [09:05] IMS Benefit #2: Reduced Duplication and Increased Efficiency - There are elements of a Management system that you can combine to not only save money but also reduce document and process duplication, which leads to a more efficient system. We’ve seen companies trying to manage separate systems over the years, and often times they end up just causing confusion, or only being adhered to by specific departments within a business. This results in duplicated work as shared elements of compliance are being managed in two different ways, often with slightly different styles of documents. Save yourself the trouble and headache by integrating all relevant management system documentation into 1 system. It makes it so much easier to update and keep on top of, and to enable it to act as a real tool for continual improvement rather than being thought of as a chore to upkeep. [10:10] IMS Benefit #3: Improved Communication and Collaboration - An integrated system encourages communication between all elements of your business. This holistic approach is often broken down into silos for select departments to focus on select objectives, which in turn encourages invested teamwork which will contribute to the business’s success as a whole. Internal Audits will also allow employees from every level to feedback to the system, highlighting key areas for improvement that could be rolled out. We see a lot of companies leveraging integrated management systems in various ways, often using them as a springboard to launch company wide initiatives that encourage further collaboration. These are then tracked, monitored and reported on in a similar way to other company objectives, all guided by the processes put in place by the Management system. [11:20] IMS Benefit #4: Enhanced Risk Management - Integrating multiple Standards will mean you have greater comprehension and risk assessment of multiple different aspects across your business, such as quality, environmental and Health & Safety. Many start with ISO 9001, as that’s a fantastic solid foundation for a Management system, it builds in all the core policies and procedures needed to run a business smoothly, but it doesn’t touch on the specifics of environmental management or information security. For that, you’d need to integrate other standards to ensure you have robust measures to tackle those other elements. [12:15] IMS Benefit #5: Streamlined Auditing Processes - Internal Audits act as a good measure of where things are going right and wrong, in addition to being a dummy run for your certification assessment if it’s your first time going through the process. Internal Audits are also an element which can be combined, this allows you to save time for the auditees, which reduces the amount of disruption they may cause overall. It also reduces the overall amount of audit reports for review, saving a duplication of effort on auditing similar elements across multiple standards. [13:00] IMS Benefit #6: Better Decision-Making - By having a more unified view of all processes and performance across different management areas, leadership can make more informed decisions. ISO Standards require a Management Review, which is where you can review audit findings and put plans in place to resolve any non-conformities and address any opportunities for improvement. Don’t forget to highlight any achievements and lessons learned too! As these can be applied elsewhere in the business. [14:00] IMS Benefit #7: Increased Stakeholder Confidence - ISO Standards are a mark of best practice, they are an internationally recognised seal of approval that proves your commitment to either quality, safety and sustainability. This competitive advantage will also serve you when going for funding or to tender. [14:40] IMS Benefit #8: Improved Organizational Performance and Culture - An integrated Management system ensures that everyone is unified in their way of working. It also fosters a culture of continual improvement, that encourages participation from all levels within the business. Having a central integrated system makes things simple for everyone to understand. No one has to search out different processes for a separate quality and environmental management system, when they could all be combined and stored in 1 location. An integrated management system approach also allows for you to collaborate across multiple different focus areas such as quality, safety and sustainability. Objectives for each can be siloed and focused on by select departments, but can still be contributed to from any part of the business. Be open about the results in different areas of the business and encourage suggestions for improvement, this is how you’ll foster a culture of continuous Improvement. [16:05] IMS Challenge #1: Initial set-up and resourcing - Implementing ISO Standards aren’t a small task. If you’re implementing multiple ISO Standards from the start, you’ll need to consider the people, time and expertise needed to complete the task. This may include the assistance of a dedicated ISO consultancy, as they’ll have the expertise to guide you through the process smoothly. At Blackmores, we can help you implement an IMS that is bespoke to the way you work. It may be tempting to go with an out of the box solution, but these would need tailoring to be at all effective and likely won’t get you past certification with a UKAS accredited Certification Body. Learn about the differences between a UKAS and Non-UKAS accredited Certification Body on one of our [17:30] IMS Challenge #2: Resistance to change - People will be used to working a certain way, often siloed into systems unique to their departments. Or if you’ve already held 1 ISO certification, integrating others will mean change to that existing system that others may not be open to at first. It will involve either new or updated policies and procedures that will take some time for everyone to adapt to. The key here is communication. Not only to communicate the change, but allow people to voice any concerns they have about new ways of working. You may also need to issue additional training to help others adapt. [18:20] IMS Challenge #3: Lack of top leadership commitment - If you want people to care about the management system, commitment to it needs to come from the top down. If the leadership doesn’t care about it, why should anyone else? Any good leadership should want a holistic approach for monitoring various elements of the business, if only to make more informed decisions. An integrated Management system can provide the base to facilitate this, and it’s in leaderships best interest to keep ahead of any emerging challenges or opportunities that can be leveraged. [19:10] IMS Challenge #4: Integration of IT systems and data - Integrating your management system may require the integration of IT systems and existing data. If you have separate management systems currently, they may be operating on different databases or formats that may be difficult to combine. In some cases, an integrated management system is a good opportunity to refresh the way you work, it could be seen as a chance to look at other tech options out there that could be more cost effective or introduce new much needed functionality. [19:50] IMS Challenge #5: Maintaining Scope and Avoiding Over-Complication - There is a risk that you may try to bite off a bit more than you can chew when integrating management systems. We recommend starting with a smaller scope, as this acts as a good test that can be rolled out to the wider business if it’s effective. Many may start with just one site and then seek to roll out the changes to the wider business over the course of a few years. This is definitely an approach we encourage, as each location will have its own teething problems to work through, which is much more manageable when tackled in chunks at a time rather than all at once. 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#221 Processes As A Tool For Simplicity And Structured Improvement
06/25/2025
#221 Processes As A Tool For Simplicity And Structured Improvement
The process approach is recommended by all Management System Standards, and effective implementation is key to drive continual improvement. Processes outline the basic steps needed to complete a task or achieve a certain outcome, and serve to keep things running smoothly and consistently. For those new to ISO Standards, it can be quite daunting to understand what this means in practice. In this episode Ian Battersby explains what a process is in the context of Management systems, how to map processes and the different ways you can visualise a process for communications. You’ll learn · What is a Process? · Why are processes needed in Management Systems? · Why should you document your processes? · How do you map a process? · How can you display a process? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Ian explains the importance of processes in Management systems, how you can effectively map processes and how you can visualise them for further communication. [03:00] Why are processes so important for Management Systems? As ISO 9004 (Quality management - Quality of an organization - Guidance to achieve sustained success) states:- “Organisations deliver value through activities connected within a network of processes. Processes often cross boundaries of functions within the organisation. Consistent and predictable results are achieved more effectively and efficiently when the network of It processes functions as a coherent system.” It doesn’t propose a type of process. All organisations are different. But what it does say is that they should be viewed as a system rather than in isolation. It’s a key principle of Quality Management and of business, allowing an organisation to manage and control the way it delivers its activities, with predictable results. [05:30] What is a process? Put simply, a process is a set of activities which achieve a specific outcome. Or, to put it another way, it’s a series of detailed steps describing how to do a job. [05:40] We should you document your processes?: · To show how to repeat tasks consistently, getting the same result every time · It guides people in how to do their jobs · To allow you to measure that outcomes are as expected · To provide for a structured approach to improvement · To help mobilise new contracts, products services of a similar type which supports business growth. [08:15] How to map a process – There are many different ways you could do this, but a popular method is with process map or process flow. A process map is a series of boxes on a page or screen. Each box represents an activity. The activities are then linked in a sequential order, using arrows. As an example, let’s say you have a process which repeats a task until you get the right outcome. The first box would be ‘Start job’, this then points to the next box called ‘Perform task’. In turn this points to a third box, which is a question, ‘Did it achieve the desired outcome?’. This would lead to two options: yes and no. So. there are two arrows out this time. If no, we need to learn from it (another box). When we learn from it, we point back to ‘Perform task’. If yes we end the job, which would be another box. Using a diagram such as this, it makes it a lot easier to visualise and follow a process. Many processes will likely be more complicated than this example, but the principle remains the same. [11:40] Keep things simple – Ian’s had experiences of companies that insist on bloated process maps that contains hundreds of boxes and arrows that end up making the whole diagram very difficult to follow. This defeats the purpose of process mapping. If you have a lot of complicated processes, it’s better to break these down into manageable chunks. [12:30] Process overview: If you’re struggling to start, you may want to consider a process overview. This focuses on the main steps on how you run your organisation, so this could be marketing, sales, production and delivery services. From there you can look at each area and focus on the more detailed activities which can be mapped and linked to each other. The ones dealing with the process overview include subject matter experts, departmental heads, functional leads, Senior Management ect… They will help shape the process mapping to ensure the overall delivery is in-line with the organisations’ direction. [14:00] A collaborative task: Process mapping shouldn’t be done by one person. One person is hardly going to know how each and every aspect of your organisation works. Don’t just leave it to your Quality Manager. Leaving this task to someone who’s not fully involved in the part of the organisation where the process originates will only end in disaster. They will likely not be aware of small yet vital steps, such as key communication and authorisations. So make sure you involve multiple parties, and key people involved in the areas you’re mapping process for. [17:05] Process mapping across departments: Think practically about how you deliver products or services. How people actually do their jobs. This is a very important aspect of processes. Then visualise how each process works: draw it with pencil and paper; throw some Post It notes on a flipchart; put it on a whiteboard and take a photo; even write it out in a Word document. Make it clear. Make it documented: This is essential. This unleashes the power to measure and improve. Documenting something allows you to compare the way things are done to what you expect and to establish whether the outcome is as you expect. [12:30] How processes link with other areas of ISO Standards: Processes are very useful in helping people do their job, but they can also assist with:- Assigning roles and responsibilities. Each box (activity) can be measured for success, performance indicators can be established at individual activity level, or for a process overall. You can see if the process is successful in delivering its intended outcome. The results can then form part of your monitoring and measuring regime as required by Management System standards (clause 9 is all about evaluating performance). You can use them as a basis for audit, which is all about assessing whether you get what you expect. They are also useful in explaining how you deliver to external parties; or demanding how others should do things. Standards also specify that process performance be included in Management Review (9001 9.3.2 c) 3)) – so it really is an unavoidable step towards ISO certification! Lastly, it can also help with clause 10, which is all about improvement. What-if scenarios can be performed by moving activities, lines, adding new ones deleting and predicting the outcome of the overall process. Whichever way you wish to document your processes, by documenting them you have the power to improve them If you’d like any assistance with ISO Implementation, feel free to , we’d be happy to help. We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#220 EcoVadis – Platform Your Passport To Winning Sustainable Contracts
06/18/2025
#220 EcoVadis – Platform Your Passport To Winning Sustainable Contracts
We’re past the point of simply saying you’re committed to sustainability, it’s time for tangible and verified action. This is what many are calling for in response to the recent rise in Greenwashing and subsequent erosion of trust from consumers and other stakeholders regarding any green claims. As a result, a number of voluntary disclosure schemes have been created to help benchmark and verify organisation’s claims, should they choose to participate. One example being the focus of today’s episode: EcoVadis. In this episode Mel Blackmore continues with our voluntary disclosure’s series, discussing the ESG rating scheme EcoVadis, what is required to earn a Platinum rating and provides some tips on how to get that Platinum rating. You’ll learn · What is EcoVadis? · What are the requirements to achieve a Platinum rating? · Top tips for earning an Platinum rating for EcoVadis · What are the advantages of earning a Platinum rating? · What are the disadvantages of getting involved with EcoVadis? Resources · · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Mel discusses the voluntary disclosure scheme: EcoVadis, including what’s involved with taking part, how to achieve a Platinum rating and the pros and cons of being benchmarked. [03:00] Why is there a need for EcoVadis? An increased number of investors and financial institutions, in addition to clients are demanding more than just financial reports. They want to know what a company's environmental footprint is, and at this point, it's time to move on beyond simply making pledges. This extends to other elements of governance as EcoVadis doubles as a crucial ESG rating scheme. [04:30] What is EcoVadis? EcoVadis is a globally recognised provider of business sustainability ratings. They assess companies' environmental, social, and ethical performance across 21 indicators and four main themes: Environment, Labor & Human Rights, Ethics, and Sustainable Procurement. EcoVadis aims to help organisations manage their supply chain sustainability risks and opportunities. If you're a supplier, you've likely received a request from a customer to complete an EcoVadis assessment. The assessment process involves completing a detailed questionnaire, submitting supporting documentation, and then EcoVadis analysts review your submission and assign a scorecard. This scorecard provides a detailed breakdown of your performance across the four themes and assigns an overall score and a medal status: Bronze, Silver, Gold, or Platinum. It’s this medal status that’s crucial, especially those coveted Gold and Platinum badges, which signal to your customers that you are a top-tier performer in sustainability. [05:40] We want to hear from you: Mel is currently running some research around CDP and the key drivers behind carbon emission verification, and would appreciate your feedback if you have a few minutes to spare. The results are completely anonymous, and it should only take 5 – 10 minutes. Thank you in advance to any contributors! [06:05] What is required to achieve an Platinum Rating? – While EcoVadis assesses across four themes, the 'Environment' theme often carries significant weight, and within that, greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions management is paramount for the higher ratings. To earn an EcoVadis Platinum rating, you'll generally need to achieve an overall score between 78-100 out of 100. Key areas that you need to excel in include:- 1) Comprehensive Environmental Management System: This includes policies, actions, and reporting on a wide range of environmental issues. For Platinum, EcoVadis expects to see highly structured and systematic approaches to environmental management. 2) Robust GHG Emissions Management: For this you need to: · Measure your GHG Emissions: Accurately calculate your Scope 1, Scope 2, and significant Scope 3 emissions. EcoVadis places increasing emphasis on Scope 3, as it often represents the largest portion of a company's footprint. · Set Ambitious Targets: Have clear, quantitative targets for GHG emission reduction. Aligning these with a science-based target (SBTi) is highly advantageous and often a de facto requirement for Platinum. · Implement Reduction Initiatives: Demonstrate concrete actions you are taking to reduce emissions, such as investing in renewable energy, improving energy efficiency, optimizing logistics, or engaging your supply chain. 3) Independent Verification of GHG Emissions Data: This is a non-negotiable for Platinum and often for Gold. EcoVadis awards significant points for having your Scope 1 and Scope 2 GHG emissions (and increasingly, relevant Scope 3 categories) independently verified by a third-party accredited body. This provides assurance that your reported data is accurate and reliable. As a CDP accredited verification body, we routinely help companies through this process, and it makes a profound difference in their EcoVadis and overall ESG scores. 4) Strong Policies and Actions Across All Themes: While we're focusing on environment, remember Platinum requires excellence across all four EcoVadis themes: · Labor & Human Rights · Ethics · Sustainable Procurement Implementing Standards such as (Anti-Bribery and Corruption), (Information Security), (Sustainable Procurement) can help put some of these in place. 5) Effective Reporting and Transparency: You need to clearly articulate your policies, actions, and performance data within the EcoVadis questionnaire. This includes providing high-quality, relevant supporting documentation. To get the best result, don't just tick boxes; provide evidence! 6) Continuous Improvement: EcoVadis looks for evidence of ongoing improvement. It's not a one-off assessment; it's about demonstrating a commitment to continually raising your standards. [14:20] How to get an EcoVadis Platinum Rating with verified data? – Here’s a few tips: · Start Early and Plan Strategically: Don't wait until the last minute. The EcoVadis assessment requires significant time and effort. Plan your data collection, policy development, and verification process well in advance. · Understand the EcoVadis Methodology: Download the EcoVadis methodology and scoring criteria. These double as guidance documents that explain what they're looking for in each section. Tailor your responses and documentation accordingly. · Invest in carbon accounting software: Accurate and consistent data is paramount. Implement systems (whether software or well-organized spreadsheets) to track your energy consumption, waste, water use, and especially your GHG emissions. · Prioritize GHG Emissions Verification: Engage a reputable, accredited third-party verification body (like 😉) to audit your Scope 1 and Scope 2 GHG emissions. Ensure the verification covers the reporting period relevant to your EcoVadis assessment. This provides the external assurance EcoVadis demands. · Address All Four Themes: While environmental performance is crucial, don't neglect Labor & Human Rights, Ethics, and Sustainable Procurement. A weak score in one area can pull down your overall rating. · Leverage External Expertise: If you're new to EcoVadis or aiming for a significant jump in your score, consider consulting with experts. They can help you identify gaps, optimize your strategy, and ensure your documentation meets EcoVadis's requirements. Blackmores consultants are able to provide support if you’re seeking an EcoVadis rating. · Continuous Improvement: Use the EcoVadis scorecard feedback to identify areas for improvement. Implement corrective actions and integrate them into your ongoing sustainability strategy. This commitment to continuous improvement is a strong indicator of a Platinum-level company. [16:40] The pros and cons of EcoVadis: Many of these share similarities with the Carbon Disclosure Project, which we covered in a . To summarise: Pros: · Enhanced Reputation and Brand Value · Risk Management and Resilience · Cost Savings and Operational Efficiency · Competitive Advantage · Innovation and Strategic Planning · Benchmarking and Peer Learning Cons: · Resource Intensive · Potential for Negative Public Scrutiny If you’d like any assistance with carbon verification, , they’d be happy to help! 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#219 How To Unlock CDP A Rating – GHG Verification For Top Carbon Disclosure Ratings
06/05/2025
#219 How To Unlock CDP A Rating – GHG Verification For Top Carbon Disclosure Ratings
In recent years there has been a growing need for transparency within sustainable action taken by businesses. This is due to the rampant increase in greenwashing, which only serves to diminish the focus on genuine efforts, in addition to creating a culture of mistrust within stakeholders and consumers. To combat this, certain organisations have taken on the task of encouraging and supporting the accurate public disclosure of environmental data. Such is the case with today’s focus, the Carbon Disclosure Project (CDP). In this episode Mel Blackmore discusses what the Carbon Disclosure Project is, what is required to earn an A rating, provides some tips on how to get that A rating and explains the pros and cons with getting involved with the project. You’ll learn · What is the Carbon Disclosure Project? · What are the requirements to achieve an A rating? · Top tips for earning an A rating in the CDP · What are the advantages of earning a CDP rating? · What are the disadvantages of getting involved with the CDP? Resources · · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Mel discusses the Carbon Disclosure project, including what’s involved with taking part, how to achieve an A rating and the pros and cons of the project. [03:00] Why is there a need for the CDP? An increased number of investors and financial institutions, in addition to clients are demanding more than just financial reports. They want to know what a company's environmental footprint is, and at this point, it's time to move on beyond simply making pledges. Ultimately, key stakeholders are looking for a commitment to sustainability and for accessible information to help them understand how an organisation is managing its climate risks and opportunities. This is where CDP comes in. A key component of getting the coveted A rating within CDP involves independent verification of greenhouse gas emissions. [04:45] What is the Carbon Disclosure Project? CDP is a global non-profit that runs the world's leading environmental disclosure system. For over two decades, it has revolutionized how companies, cities, states, and regions report their environmental impacts. They ask thousands of organizations to disclose data on climate change, water security, and deforestation. This data is then used by investors, purchasers, and policymakers to make informed decisions. The CDP questionnaire covers a wide range of topics, from governance and strategy to risk management, targets, and of course, greenhouse gas emissions. Companies receive a score from D- to A based on the completeness of their reporting, their level of awareness of environmental issues, their management of those issues, and ultimately, their leadership in addressing them. [05:40] We want to hear from you: Mel is currently running some research around CDP and the key drivers behind carbon emission verification, and would appreciate your feedback if you have a few minutes to spare. The results are completely anonymous, and it should only take 5 – 10 minutes. Thank you in advance to any contributors! [09:10] What is required to achieve an A Rating? – There are a number of key requirements, including:- 1. Comprehensive Disclosure and Data Quality: This is foundational. You need to provide accurate and complete data across all relevant sections of the CDP questionnaire. This includes detailed information on your Scope 1, Scope 2, and increasingly, your Scope 3 GHG emissions. 2. Strong Governance and Strategy: CDP looks for clear evidence that environmental issues are integrated into your company's core business strategy and that there's robust board and management oversight of climate-related matters. This means having a defined climate strategy, understanding your climate-related risks and opportunities, and demonstrating how you're incorporating these into your financial planning. 3. Verified Data: To truly hit that "A" list, your Scope 1 and Scope 2 GHG emissions, and a significant portion of your Scope 3, must be independently verified. This isn't just a suggestion; it's an essential criterion for the leadership level. Independent verification provides crucial assurance to stakeholders that your reported emissions data is accurate, reliable, and trustworthy. It also minimises the risk of “Greenwashing”. 4. Science-Based Targets and a Robust Climate Transition Plan: CDP is increasingly emphasizing the need for companies to set ambitious, science-based targets for emissions reductions, aligned with a 1.5°C global warming scenario. In addition, having a publicly available, credible climate transition plan that outlines how you will achieve these targets, including specific actions, metrics, and progress tracking mechanisms, is now a must for "A" list companies. 5. Value Chain Engagement: For many companies, the most significant emissions lie within their supply chain. To achieve an "A" rating, you'll need to demonstrate robust engagement with your suppliers to measure and reduce their emissions, and address environmental impacts across your entire value chain. 6. Continuous Improvement and Transparency: The "A" rating isn't a one-off achievement. It reflects a commitment to continuous improvement in your environmental performance and a willingness to be transparent about your journey, including challenges and successes. [15:05] Top tips for achieving a CDP A Rating:- Tip 1: Plan Ahead and Start Early. CDP reporting is an annual cycle, and it's complex. Don't wait until the last minute! Start gathering your data, assessing your internal processes, and identifying any gaps well in advance. This includes planning for your verification process. Tip 2: Invest in Robust Data Management Systems. Accurate and comprehensive data collection is paramount. Consider leveraging sustainability software that can help you track, calculate, and manage your GHG emissions data efficiently. This reduces manual errors and streamlines the reporting process. Tip 3: Understand the Verification Process. This is where an accredited verification body, like Carbonology, becomes invaluable. Verification Bodies work to an internationally recognized standard, typically ISO 14064-3, to ensure the accuracy and reliability of your GHG emissions data. The process involves: · Defining the scope: What emissions are being verified? · Data review: Examining your underlying data, methodologies, and calculations. · Site visits (where applicable): Physically verifying operational data. · Report generation: Providing an assurance statement on the accuracy of your emissions. Tip 4: Engage with a CDP-Accredited Verification Body. CDP specifically requires third-party verification from an independent external organization that is accredited and competent. Look for bodies with proven experience and accreditation to international standards like . They can guide you through the process, identify areas for improvement, and ensure your data meets the stringent requirements for leadership points. Tip 5: Conduct a Gap Analysis. Before you even begin your disclosure, perform a thorough gap assessment against the latest CDP questionnaire and essential criteria. This will highlight areas where your current disclosures fall short and allow you to address them proactively. Tip 6: Focus on Quality over Quantity. While comprehensive disclosure is important, ensure the quality and accuracy of your data. It's better to provide high-quality, verified data for a focused set of emissions than to report broadly with unverified or unreliable numbers. Tip 7: Train Your Team. Ensure your internal team understands the CDP requirements and best practices for sustainability reporting and data collection. Building internal capacity is essential for maintaining high-quality disclosures year after year. [20:35] The pros of voluntary disclosures: Enhanced Reputation and Brand Value: Disclosing and performing well on platforms like CDP showcases your commitment to environmental responsibility. This can significantly boost your reputation among customers, employees, and the wider public, attracting conscious consumers and talent. Risk Management and Resilience: The disclosure process forces companies to identify and assess their environmental risks – from climate change impacts to resource scarcity. This proactive approach allows for better risk mitigation strategies, building greater business resilience. Cost Savings and Operational Efficiency: The process of measuring and managing environmental impacts often reveals opportunities for greater efficiency, such as reduced energy consumption, waste reduction, and optimized resource use, leading to tangible cost savings. Competitive Advantage: Being a leader in environmental transparency can differentiate your company in the marketplace, especially as sustainability becomes a key consideration for clients and supply chain partners. Competitive Advantage: Being a leader in environmental transparency can differentiate your company in the marketplace, especially as sustainability becomes a key consideration for clients and supply chain partners. Preparation for Future Regulation: Voluntary disclosure puts you ahead of the curve. As environmental regulations become increasingly stringent globally, companies with established reporting mechanisms will be better prepared to meet mandatory requirements. Innovation and Strategic Planning: The disclosure process encourages long-term strategic planning around environmental impact, driving innovation in products, services, and processes. Benchmarking and Peer Learning: CDP provides a framework for measuring and tracking your performance over time and allows you to benchmark yourself against industry peers, identifying areas for improvement and learning from best practices. [14:15] The cons of voluntary disclosures?: Resource Intensive: Comprehensive ESG reporting, especially to the level required for an "A" rating, can be costly and time-consuming, particularly for smaller companies with limited resources. It requires dedicated personnel, data collection, and often external consulting or verification services. Risk of Greenwashing: If disclosure isn't backed by genuine action and verified data, there's a significant risk of "greenwashing" – providing a misleading impression of your sustainability efforts. This can lead to reputational damage, loss of trust, and even legal scrutiny if claims are found to be unsubstantiated. This is precisely why independent verification is so crucial. Lack of Accountability (without verification): Without external verification or assurance, the reliability and accuracy of self-reported data can be questioned, diminishing the value and trustworthiness of the disclosure. This is a major concern for investors who demand the same robustness for non-financial data as they do for financial data. Potential for Negative Public Scrutiny: Once you disclose, your data is public. This means your environmental performance, or lack thereof, can be scrutinized by activists, media, and the public. Companies must be prepared to address any critical feedback. If you’d like any assistance with carbon verification, , they’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#218 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Derek Hall
05/21/2025
#218 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Derek Hall
The world of ISO is often stumbled into as a result of being tasked with either Implementing or maintaining a Standard for a business. It is rarely a desired career path, and yet there are thousands of ISO professionals from all corners of the globe. We’re continuing with our latest mini-series where we introduce members of our team, to explore how they fell into the world of ISO and discuss the common challenges they face while helping clients achieve ISO certification. In this episode we introduce Derek Hall, a Senior Isologist® and Sustainability Lead at Blackmores, to learn about his journey from spending 40 years in the printing industry to becoming an ISO Consultant, and what drives him to help clients on their ISO journey. You’ll learn · What is Derek’s role at Blackmores? · What does Derek enjoy outside of consultancy? · What path did Derek take to become an ISO Consultant? · What is the biggest challenge he’s faced when implementing ISO Standards? · What is Derek’s biggest achievement? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – We introduce Derek Hall, a Senior Isologist® here at Blackmores, to discuss his journey towards becoming an ISO consultant who specialises in , and . [03:45] What is Derek’s role at Blackmores? Derek is a Senior Isologist® with Blackmores, supporting companies with maintaining systems, undertaking internal audits, and supporting with implementing new systems to gain certification utilising our Isology methodology. His passion lies in the realm of sustainability, embedding it within the management systems of many of our clients regardless of any certification to any dedicated sustainability Standard. Derek was worked with a number of sectors, including:- · Media · Printing · Constructions · Cosmetics · Recycling · Electrical · Public Sector & NHS Derek enjoys the learning aspect of working with new industries, and values the input from all personnel involved, from top management to those on the shop floor. He well and truly immerses himself within each company he works with to learn about their values and how ISO can best support their vision. [08:30] What does Derek enjoy doing outside of consultancy?: Derek has a few varied hobbies, including oil painting born out of his other passion, photography. He often uses his own photos as subject matter for his paintings. He also trains 4-5 times a week at his local karate club, which caters for all ages and skill sets. Derek has diligently worked his way up to black belt over the 17 years he’s been attending, and offers his skills to teach sessions. He appreciates the respect that karate teaches, in addition to gaining more knowledge on other points of view. With such a varied class, there’s always something new to learn. The Australian based club he attends is called . [12:20] What was Derek’s path towards becoming an ISO Consultant?: Derek’s journey starts back in the 60’s, where he worked in commercial photography, taking pictures on the progress of various building works, and products for furniture stores. He used to work with plate photography, which was a rather old school method even back then! This was coupled with more modern methods such as 35 millimeter film. He recalls witnessing the building of the Thames barrier, taking pictures to help monitor the amount of water coming through the barrier. After that he moved onto work for a printing company in Barnet (Hertfordshire), which specialized in advertisements and signage for furniture stores. From the shop floor Derek worked his way up to becoming a printer operative. This company evolved to include screen printing, which allowed for more versatile applications such as clothing or certain plastics. After spending 3 and a half years there he moved on with a friend to start their own printing company in Watford, which continued until the 70’s. In the 70’s Derek joined a much larger printing company based in Southgate London. Here he was involved in the printing of cinema posters for theatres, and musical groups. Derek remained there for 40 years, watching it evolve to larger scale printing for retail markets such as HMV Records and curry’s, in addition to bus advertisements. During the 90’s, there was a larger push for quality Standards, their clients wanted more assurance that they were following established guidelines and could produce the quality they were after. So, Derek was tasked with Implementing BS 5750, ISO 9001’s precursor, and BS 7750, ISO 14001’s precursor. The company then got involved in an eco management audit scheme called EMAS, which required the reporting of environmental impacts. It was similar to ISO 14001, but it’s regulatory reporting requirements more closely align with modern schemes such as ESOS. They also introduced other schools of thinking such as , for the purpose of continual improvement. At this point, Derek became very involved with sustainability standards, and developed a concept called ‘The Tree of Sustainability’, which included 9 branches for improvement. This was introduced due to the fact that their industry by its current nature, wasn’t very sustainable. There was a lot that could be done to reduce their impact. Through developing that project Derek got involved with the DTR project called ‘The Sigma Guidelines’, a backed scheme run by the forum and These guidelines outlined a 3-year project to identify what sustainability meant to them and how it could apply to their industry. The result of their work on this project was then submitted to various awards, netting them a number of sustainability awards and The Accountability Institute Awards. That company continued its operations until 2007, leading to Derek joining Blackmores first year of operation in 2008. Derek is leading us down a similar sustainability path by encouraging us to become a signatory of the , an initiative including 100 different actions for nature, people and planet. [26:40] What is Derek’s favourite aspect of being a Consultant? – Derek has a few, including: Building relationships with clients – Many of Dereks clients have been working with him for over 10 years. He’s as much friends with them as he is a work colleague. Flexible approach – Consultancy can be delivered in many different ways, allowing for hybrid working. This flexible approach also applies to the way we achieve internal targets, with each member of the team being given specific goals with the freedom to choose how they reach them. Everyone has their own way of working, and we encourage all members of the team to work how they like with the opportunity to learn from each other. [28:35] What Standards does Derek specilaise in and why? Starting with: · ISO 9001 Quality Management: A core foundation that many businesses start with when diving into the world of ISO Standards. Derek started with it’s predecessor, and has watched it develop over the years. He appreciates the value it can bring, especially to SME’s who are looking for a scalable model for success. · ISO 14001 Environmental Management: Derek is a fan of sustainability in general, and encourages everyone to implement some of it’s requirements as part of any project. · ISO 22716 Good Manufacturing Practices for the Cosmetics Industry: A rather niche quality standard for the cosmetic industry, this Standards works well in collaboration with ISO 9001 for a more holistic approach. · Health and Safety Management: Derek picked up this Standard as a result of his work with the construction industry. It’s importance as a tool to prevent harm to humans cannot be understated. · : Derek has been working closely with his colleague, Ali Henshaw, to develop an ISO based framework to tackle ESG requirements. This includes inputs and requirements from guidance standards such as ISO 20400 (Sustainable Procurement) and ISO 26000 (Social Responsibility) · Business Continuity: A lot of organisations are looking to implement aspects of business continuity as a result of the ever-changing resilience landscape. [32:20] The link between business continuity and climate change: We have seen client requirements evolve to include various elements of business continuity in response to the increasing threats of cyber incidents and climate change related issues. This is reflected in the recently introduced Climate Change Amendment to many commonly implemented ISO Standards. This requirement ensures that businesses consider their impact on climate change in addition to, how and if they would be affected in turn. If you would like to learn more about this, listen to a or watch our . [34:20] What is the biggest challenge Derek had faced during a project and how did he overcome it?: Derek took on the challenge of implementing ISO 22716, when he knew very little about the Standard and the cosmetics industry as a whole. Though there were a few stumbles on his first attempt, they managed to get certified without issue. That same company then wanted his help to implement ISO 14001, which is a tough ask for the cosmetics industry. There are a lot of factors to consider, such as: · What is their environmental impact? · Where are you sourcing materials? · Are the ingredients shipped from across the globe or sourced locally? · Is there any animal testing involved? · How sustainable was their supply chain? There was a lot to get through, but it was a beneficial choice to get a full picture of their environmental cost. Later, the company opted to implement ISO 9001 in addition to their existing Iso 22716 and ISO 14001 certifications. This fit nicely as both ISO 22716 and ISO 9001 are quality based Standards, they complemented each other and created an effective and holistic management system. [27:20] What is Derek’s proudest achievement? Derek received an MBE from the late Queen for services in the environment in 2005. This was earned through his sustainability work within the print industry. For those not familiar, the Queens Award (now the King’s Award) is a prestigious award that requires 3 levels of review and vetting before winners can be announced. It includes checking evidence provided and the financials involved to verify if applicants have achieved what they say they have achieved. Derek, along with his wife and daughters, were invited to the palace to meet the queen and receive his award. If you’d like any assistance with implementing ISO standards, we’d be happy to help! 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#217 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Alison Henshaw
05/13/2025
#217 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Alison Henshaw
ISO consultancy isn’t a field many aspire to enter, mostly because many don’t know it exists until you’re tasked with either managing an existing ISO Management System or implementing a brand new one. We’re continuing with our latest mini-series where we introduce members of our team, to explore how they fell into the world of ISO and discuss the common challenges they face while helping clients achieve ISO certification. In this episode we introduce Alison Henshaw, an Isologist® at Blackmores, to learn about her journey from aspiring pub-landlord to becoming an ISO Consultant, and what drives her to help clients on their ISO journey. You’ll learn · What is Ali’s role at Blackmores? · What does Ali enjoy outside of consultancy? · What path did Ali take to become an ISO Consultant? · What is the biggest challenge she’s faced when implementing ISO Standards? · What is Ali’s biggest achievement? Resources · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – We introduce Alison Henshaw (Ali), an Isologist® here at Blackmores, to discuss her journey towards becoming an ISO consultant who specialises in and . [03:45] What is Ali’s role at Blackmores? Ali is an Isologist® with Blackmores, supporting companies with maintaining systems, undertaking internal audits, and supporting with implementing new systems to gain certification utilising our Isology methodology. [04:00] What does Ali enjoy doing outside of consultancy?: Ali has a daughter aged 5, so a lot of her social life revolves around play dates and kids parties. As a family, they are very outdoor orientated, enjoying long walks and camping. In the past Ali enjoyed swimming, often visiting family near the coast to make use of the more bracing bodies of water. She also likes to craft, recently taking up knitting as her mum often knits for different charitable causes. So far, she’s mastering the art of the knitted rectangle, which lends itself nicely to scarves and blankets. Lastly, Ali is also a fan of photography due to her father sharing a similar interest. Most of her subject matter revolves around family and the outdoors. [06:45] What was Ali’s path towards becoming an ISO Consultant?: Ali states that none of her working roles so far have been purposeful, rather more serendipitous. She started managing pubs at the age of 18, after which she did relief management where she would cover different manager absences in pubs near her home. The owner of the pub she was working with at the time was looking to sell, and for a time, her plan had to been to buy and run it. Unfortunately, as she was only 18, she needed to have some form of business qualification to allow her to progress with that. This led to Ali starting a part-time business management degree, At the time one of her pub regulars was recruiting for the production departments on a shift basis. So she ended up packing wallpaper on a factory floor for 3 days a week while earning her degree. Sadly, by the time she had earned her degree, the pub she wanted to buy had been knocked down and turned into a block of flats! Though, after working in a different industry for 2 years she came to reevaluate her desire to run pubs, and came to the conclusion that she rather preferred the manufacturing industry and it’s ability to create something. Ali also enjoyed the people within the factory she had been working at, and opted to stay there with her mentor, the Technical Manager, who offered her a place in the technical floor. So began her new role as the quality assurance technician. This progressed as Ali worked her way up through Assistant quality tech to quality tech, to assistant quality manager to quality manager. Her mentor at the time was phasing out to retire, so Ali was essentially his legacy plan. When he did retire Ali became the Quality Technical R&D and Health and Safety Manager. While in that role Ali implemented , in addition to business research and development programmes for product and process development compliance. Which amounted to sitting on trade association technical committees, monitoring upcoming legislation and also contributing to British technical committees that helped write the legislation for the wall-coverings sector. She later went onto help them implement . Ali then had her daughter, Angie, during lockdown. For as much as she loves the manufacturing sectors, the worktime for those roles isn’t very flexible. She knew that when looking back, she would rather have spent more time with her daughter than working, so she wanted to find something with a bit more flexibility to allow her to spend quality time with her family. It wasn’t an easy decision by any means, but she was drawn to consultancy due to the variety of work and clients and the increased flexibility it would allow. She Started to work with Blackmores following lockdown, appreciating the family values that our business was built on. Here she shares the sentiment: “I'm very rarely the smartest person in the room, and we learn so much from each other.” Going on to say that the varied background of Blackmores consultants offers insight into so many other industries, and she’s drawn on their experience of how to apply ISO Standards in the real world. [14:15] What is Ali’s favourite aspect of being a Consultant? – Ali enjoys working with SME’s due to her background of working with a 4th generation family owned business. They can often see the value in ISO Standards, and Ali works with them to ensure that do what they do best while working towards certification. Many businesses simply gain ISO as a tick box for tenders or stakeholder requirements, which isn’t necessarily bad, it’s just how things work in the real world. But Ali figures that if they have to get it, get it right by ensuring it drives internal improvements. Often times clients are pleasantly surprised by all the benefits of effective ISO implementation. Ali’s favourite clause in Standards is 6.2 Objectives as they drive proactive improvement in businesses. The key is to truly embed them in business processes and practices to ensure they are being achieved. This is something that even mature management systems can get wrong. She’s seen cases where Objectives were one person’s responsibility, which can lead to them being a separate part of the management system. They need that lightbulb moment from leadership to realise the function of objectives to drive the whole business by taking a more proactive stance. Many times, Ali’s heard of fantastic internal initiatives being run in a business without them being tied to any objective. By making them an objective, people can make a case for more time, resources and people to complete it, in addition to making the outcome a quantifiable and measurable metric for continual improvement. [17:35] Practice what we preach – Ali has helped re-shape how we at Blackmores approach our sustainability objectives, turning them into something we can measure the impact of. As Ali states: “The want for perfection stops progress”. It admirable to strive for perfection, but it isn’t realistic and it often hinders any meaningful progress. When it comes to things like sustainability, you should want to drive improvement now. [18:55] What Standards does Ali specilaise in and why? Starting with: · ISO 20400 Sustainable Procurement: This is a guidance Standard thar businesses can align with to ensure their procurement practices are sustainable. This extends to the supply chain, expanding each businesses sphere of influence. · ISO 26000 Social Responsibility: Another guidance Standard that acts a solid foundation for businesses looking at starting their ESG journey. It tackles the human element of sustainability, in addition to consideration for fair labour practices and community support. · ISO 9001 Quality Management: The first Standard Ali implemented, and the core foundation that many businesses start with when diving into the world of ISO Standards. · Environmental Management: Ali is a fan of sustainability in general, enjoying it’s tangible impacts and the creativity in the many ways people can incorporate it into their business. · ISO 45001 Health and Safety Management: The second standard Ali implemented, it’s also one of the core 3 ISO’s that businesses tend to implement. It’s importance as a tool to prevent harm to humans cannot be understated. · Energy Management and Sustainable Events: Ali helps to audit these standards, once again these fall into her preference of sustainability as a focus. It’s clear to see that Ali loves Sustainability and safety based Standards, and the reason is mostly due to ensuring there is a bright future for her daughter. Ultimately, she aims to help people and wants to work with Standards that can make a real difference. [22:05] What is the biggest challenge Ali had faced during a project and how did he overcome it?: The confidence clients have in themselves. People are very knowledgeable about what they do and the processes involved, but because they aren’t familiar with ISO speak they feel very lost when implementing a standard. Ali’s main role is translating that ISO speak, and assuring clients that they’re already covering key points such as risks, opportunities and what they’re doing to address them. For many businesses, it’s simply a case of dotting the I’s and crossing the t’s ahead of certification. The challenge for Ali is to build that confidence in clients ahead of their Stage 1 and 2 Assessments. This is where internal audits come in handy, they act as dummy runs of the assessment. Ali can reaffirm what is meant by each clause and what it relates to in terms of the business activities or certain documentation. She also reminds clients that they can question the assessor if they don’t understand how they’ve worded a questions. It’s up to the assessor to make themselves understood. Assessors also understand that your management system will be immature on it’s first certification, it’s simply a starting point on which you’ll build and continually improve. [27:15] What is Ali’s proudest achievement? · Changing careers: Ali saw herself retiring in her previous role and so it was a significant change to make the leap to consultancy. She still loves the manufacturing and wall-covering industry, and will always have a keen interest in it, but she can now see herself retiring in a consultancy role. · Having Angie: Her daughter is one of her proudest achievements, but it also scared everything out of her. It put her at her physical limit, and she’s quite happy to have an only child, ensuring that she gets to spend as much time with as possible while she’s growing up. · Doing a skydive: As part of a ‘Before your 30’ list with friends, Ali took part in a skydive. Which she admits was horrendous and not something she would do again, but she’s proud to have pushed past the fear as getting out of your comfort zone is often the key to growth. If you’d like any assistance with implementing ISO standards, we’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. 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#216 What is Environmental Emergency Preparedness?
04/30/2025
#216 What is Environmental Emergency Preparedness?
Emergency preparedness is a term you’re likely familiar with regarding Health & Safety, but its application is also a key part of the Best Practice Environmental Management Standard, ISO 14001. ISO 14001 aims to help organisations reduce their overall impact on the environment, and this includes mitigating and responding to any incidents that may adversely affect factors such as biodiversity and water quality in areas where your business is based. While not applicable to every industry, there are many which need to take greater responsibility in the event of an environmental incident. ISO 14001 provides key guidance in how to create effective processes to ensure you respond swiftly, and in alignment with the law. In this episode Ian Battersby explains what is meant by emergency preparedness and response within ISO 14001, and how that can apply to your business. You’ll learn · What is emergency preparedness and response in ISO 14001? · How do you approach Clause 8.2 in ISO 14001? · Planning for an environmental emergency · Definitions of different types of emergency · How can you prevent an environmental emergency? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Ian explains the purpose of clause 8.2 in , emergency preparedness and response. [02:35] What is meant by ‘emergency preparedness and response’ in ISO 14001?: Many will be familiar with emergency preparedness and response in relation to Health and Safety. In Standards such as , it’s about ensuring there are plans in place to reasonably foresee and prevent any serious harm to a person or persons affected by our activities The aim with Clause 8.2 in ISO 14001 is to minimise the risk an organisation poses to the environment. Though, these aren’t mutually exclusive and some environmental response plans can prevent harm to both people and the environment. Ian seeks to clarify this clause further as many have a tendency to point towards their fire evacuation plan and fire drills as the first piece of evidence when demonstrating conformity to clause 8.2 in ISO 14001. While fire is very violent to the environment once it's occurred, the evacuation of people during such an event building offers little in the way of an environmental response. [05:10] Breaking down Clause 8.2: Clause 8.1 states: “The organization shall establish, implement and maintain the process(es) needed to prepare for and respond to potential emergency situations identified in 6.1.1.” Like with many Standards, it references an early clause where you should be identifying the relevant emergency situations. Clause 6 focuses on risk and opportunities, and in the case of ISO 14001 this is where you’ll establish your environmental aspects and compliance obligations. Specifically, Clause 6.1.2 states: “Within the defined scope of the environmental management system, the organization shall determine the environmental aspects of its activities, products and services that it can control and those that it can influence, and their associated environmental impacts.” This would take into consideration any abnormal conditions and reasonably foreseeable emergency situations. So, this is where you should already have established the emergency situations for which you need to plan for. Risk management is a core of the standards and planning for emergency situations is a core of risk management. You don’t write plans in isolation; you will have already established what’s important. [07:30] Planning for emergency: As stated in Clause 8.2: “The organization shall plan: a) to take actions to address its risks b) how to: 1) integrate into environmental management system or other business processes; 2) evaluate the effectiveness of these actions.” This is all part of the familiar . From Ian’s perspective as an auditor, he won’t look at emergency plans first, instead looking at an organisations Aspects & Impacts Assessment. The standard isn’t prescriptive on how you assess the impact of what you do or the risks. The methodology is your choice, but it is very explicit in that the content must include abnormal conditions and reasonably foreseeable emergency situations. [09:40] What are the definitions for different types of emergency situations? Normal situations are when everything operates as intended, Business as usual, the day-to-day activities you expect: E.G. Standard operation of machinery, a vehicle getting from A to B without issue. Abnormal situations are when things aren’t quite right, not catastrophic, but not business as usual; you can still achieve your intended outcome, but maybe not as quickly or efficiently: E.G. machinery running inefficiently or perhaps using more fuel or lubricant than usual. They don’t necessarily require an emergency plan, but you may want to monitor the severity of such situations and their potential for significant impact if unaddressed. Emergency situations are serious events requiring immediate attention and which could cause significant environmental impacts. The type of emergency situation that could possibly occur will depend on the type of organisation, but common ones include fire or chemical / fuel spill. [11:30] What is required by the Standard? – As stated: You are required to: A) plan to respond to prevent or mitigate adverse environmental impacts from emergencies; (not human) B) respond to actual emergencies; C) prevent or mitigate the consequences of emergencies; D) periodically test the planned response; E) review and revise the process, in particular after the occurrence of emergency or test; F) provide relevant information and training, to relevant interested parties, including persons working under its control. [13:00] Examples of Emergency Situations – We’ll look at a common one, fire. There are still 22,000 workplace fires in the UK each year, which is a significant environmental impact. That amounts to approximately 2,700 tonnes of carbon emissions annually. This in addition to the atmospheric toxins, ground/water contamination, resource loss, waste etc. So, in considering fire as an environmental emergency, these are the impacts. IOSH states that the most common cause for workplace fires is faulty or misused electrical equipment, followed by flammable/combustible materials, dirt and clutter, human error, smoking and cooking. One thing to note about those causes is that they are generally required to be controlled by specific legislation. So, you would be looking for a link between compliance obligations (or legal) register, the Aspects & Impacts Assessment and the controls in place to minimise the risks identified in both. Faulty electrics would stand out, so you would look at what measures could be put in place to prevent such faults occurring, including: · Preventive maintenance of equipment · Inspection and testing of electrical fixed wiring · Portable appliance testing By demonstrating the processes in place to address these, you can evidence compliance obligations and the planning to reduce the possibility of an emergency situation arising. However, a fire may still occur [15:40] Example emergency situation – Prevention: – You should look at the planning to prevent such a situation escalating into a full-blown emergency in order to prevent the environmental impact. This could include: · The maintenance, inspection and testing of fire detection or suppression systems · The inspection and servicing of firefighting equipment. · Firefighting equipment training for personnel Based on what you know about the causes of fire, you should examine smoking policies/practices, catering equipment maintenance, housekeeping, hazardous material management etc. Proof of fire drills alone enough when it comes to emergency preparedness and response in ISO 14001. Especially from an auditor’s perspective, as how can you prove that your fire drills are useful in minimising the impact on the environment? [17:15] Other emergency situations – Spillage: An area where you can more readily see that preparedness and response directly affects the environmental outcome is where there has been a spillage of some kind. A spill of a lubricant on a shop floor, for instance, has the potential to cause a slip hazard, affecting the safety of people. The preventive measures, again, have similarities regardless of whether we’re talking safety or environment, but do differ in that we’re trying to prevent the lubricant then reaching the outside world and contaminating ground or water; that’s the environmental impact. Waste disposal associated with the mopping of a spill; you may be dealing with hazardous waste, which must be disposed of in a controlled fashion under the law. If you’d like assistance with ISO 14001, , we’d be happy to help. We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . 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#215 The Latest Trends On the Buy Side of the Voluntary Carbon Market
04/24/2025
#215 The Latest Trends On the Buy Side of the Voluntary Carbon Market
There has been a global shift towards the sustainability effort in recent years, highlighted by various regulations and schemes aimed at businesses to help encourage a more sustainable way of operating. This has led to more focus on the voluntary use of carbon markets, in which companies help to fund decarbonisation projects by buying carbon credits. In this episode Mel is joined by Tiffany Cheung, the Corporate Engagement Lead at carbon markets data company AlliedOffsets, as they discuss the landscape of the market, including current trends, decarbonisation challenges in different sectors, and top tips for navigating the space. You’ll learn · What impact will corporate disclosures have on the carbon markets? · What are the rates of decarbonisation across different sectors? · What are the emerging buyer trends within the voluntary carbon market? · What is an internal carbon price? · How can companies use a carbon price to ensure that their sustainability goals are financially viable? · How can AlliedOffsets’ data help companies when entering the carbon market? · What are the critical steps businesses should take to mitigate price volatility and ensure that they're investing in high quality, impactful carbon offsetting projects? Resources · · · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:30] Episode Summary – Tiffany Cheung joins Mel to discuss buyer trends in the voluntary carbon market (VCM), including insights on the use of internal carbon prices and top tips for businesses looking to enter the market. Don’t forget to catch-up on the previous episode where Tiffany explains what the voluntary carbon market is and gives an insight into the lifecycle of carbon credits. [01:30] What impact will increased corporate disclosures have on the carbon markets? There are 2 main points: 1. Already on the Agenda: Increased corporate sustainability disclosure may already fit into the changes that are taking place within the thinking of a company. If a company is spending time on creating and publishing reports on their sustainability initiatives, it is likely that they will be exploring their options for how they can take action more broadly.This is likely to be associated with increased engagement with the voluntary carbon markets, both through offsetting of carbon footprints and investing in carbon credits or project developers. 2. Project Developer benefits: Project developers will likely benefit from increased insight to the kinds of projects that buyers are purchasing credits from. As a by-product, there may be more focused projects created based off what certain sectors are willing to offset or invest in. [02:55] What are the rates of decarbonisation across different sectors? To give a macro view from the public data available in corporate sustainability reports over the last few years, the biggest total polluters by sector continue to be energy, maritime, transportation and materials and mining. Looking at the positives, the energy sector, which has historically been the biggest polluter, has decreased its emissions in both scopes 1 and 2 since 2019. However, there’s still a very long way to go, and with major emitters recently rolling back their climate commitments, one shouldn’t assume that that trend will continue linearly. Another sector facing an interesting decarbonization journey is aviation, whose emissions have been increasing in recent years, although not quite to pre-COVID pandemic levels. This sector will have to grapple with its emissions whilst contending with forecasted growth in both consumer and business travel over the next decade. Many aviation companies are both committed to Science Based Targets initiatives (SBTi) and fall under CORSIA (Carbon Offsetting and Reduction Scheme for International Aviation), applying pressure on the sector to decarbonize as a whole. On a positive note, 18 sectors assessed by AlliedOffsets have decreased their average carbon emissions in scope 2 over the past few years, due in large part to increased renewable energy sourcing and improved energy efficiency. [07:10] What are the emerging buyer trends within the VCM?: AlliedOffsets are in a particularly good position to provide insight to this due to their comprehensive view of both historic buyer activity and new market entrants across the world. Chinese and German manufacturers have become a steady presence in the market, distinguished by their especially detailed credit retirement information. They’ll go as far as to specify the products and operating periods that are being offset, showing really high levels of engagement with their environmental impact and giving clear insight on their targeted offsetting approach. Another buyer trend to highlight is occurring within the Australian market, where AlliedOffsets is seeing lots of credit retirement associated with the carbon neutrality certification scheme Climate Active. This is driving most voluntary retirements from the region, particularly from real estate and pension funds. [09:15] What is an internal carbon price? An internal carbon price is a specific cost or budget set by a company for the carbon or other greenhouse gas emissions that are associated with their specific business activities. This is typically based off of something like the World Bank calculations on the cost of climate change to society, or it could be based on the price of carbon set by an compliance emissions trading scheme (ETS) that is local to that business. [10:20] How can companies use a carbon price to ensure that their sustainability goals are financially viable?: For example, EasyJet has an internal carbon price that's based off of the UK emissions trading scheme. That internal carbon price is factored into the airline’s master financial models and that drives their 5 - 10 year long financial plans. That helps to determine things like the geographical routes that EasyJet operates, which can affect profitability. An internal carbon price makes emissions tangible and material, playing a role in the wider business decisions. An airline operator is considered a big emitter and is likely to already be exposed to some kind of compliance carbon scheme which has a financial impact on the company. Nonetheless, having an internal carbon price can be useful regardless of how big your business is, as it can be used to budget certain activities and see where emissions might be centralised in a particular department. An example of this in practice may be that you have an internal carbon price of £50 per tonne, you can take that to an emissions calculator or advisor to work out a budget based on the carbon footprint of different activities or departments in the business. The idea being that if you can identify the cost associated with the emissions created, you know how much to spend to decarbonize. This process may also highlight where you can make further reductions, i.e. reducing air travel and supporting staff on switching to less polluting forms of transport. [12:55] How can AlliedOffsets data help companies interested in an internal carbon price?: AlliedOffsets has data on the carbon pricing programmes used by companies to set their internal carbon price, as well as the specific price itself for hundreds of different companies. This dataset also includes companies that haven't chosen to use a particular pricing scheme but have set an internal carbon price based just off of their unique activities. This helps to contextualize the current range of internal carbon prices and the logic behind them. [13:50] The need for regular review: Internal carbon pricing is something that needs to be reviewed on a regular basis as the costs associated with emitting in some business locations is not going to remain the same. This can also be affected by national legislation, which can increase the financial risk of emitting. Tiffany recommends reviewing your internal carbon pricing at least annually. They’re seeing an emerging trend within the environmental space where sustainability related impacts within a company are being sequestered into their wider financial operations. The impacts of climate change are going to become more material to businesses in the very near future. As a result of this, it makes sense for businesses to assess their internal carbon price as part of their annual financial reviews. [16:30] What are the critical steps businesses should take to mitigate price volatility and ensure that they're investing in high quality, impactful projects? Tiffany recommends the following steps: 1. Focus on decarbonising your business operations first and engaging with your suppliers to tackle scope 3 emissions as well. It’s more beneficial to both the business and environment for you to reduce emissions as much as possible, so you have a smaller residual footprint to offset. 2. Decide what kind of projects / carbon credits you want to spend money on, whether it's offsetting or investing. Besides the climatic impact, there are many co-benefits of carbon projects to choose from, such as improved biodiversity, water supply, or workplace gender equality. Knowing what is valuable to you and your business will help in the selection of these projects. 3. Build strong relationships with developers directly where possible and buy credits directly, in advance. This also has the benefit of ensuring a supply of carbon credits into the future without the worry about how the market might change or become more volatile within the next couple of years. 4. If your business is operating at quite a significant scale, it would be wise to work with another company that's focused on the voluntary carbon market, like AlliedOffsets. They can provide guidance and forecasting for the specific projects or sectors you’d like to buy from, reducing uncertainty on the future of the market. [20:00] Have faith in the impact of the voluntary carbon market – The voluntary carbon market has been through a turbulent period of time, and it’s alright to feel cautious about entering a space which has been unstable in the past. The concerns about reputational risk associated with offsetting have greatly reduced in the last few years, and it’s set to reduce further as the voluntary and compliance markets merge and integrity improves. However, if you decide that offsetting isn’t right for your business, there are still other tools that you can take from the voluntary carbon markets to help drive decarbonisation, such as internal carbon pricing. If you’d like to learn more about AlliedOffsets, If you’d like any assistance with carbon standards, they’d be happy to help! 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#214 An Introduction to the voluntary carbon market
04/16/2025
#214 An Introduction to the voluntary carbon market
No business can operate with zero emissions, there’s only so much you can reduce before you need to look at offsetting the remainder to truly achieve Net Zero. Carbon offsetting comes in many forms, but the ones people will be most familiar with include purchasing carbon credits for nature restoration projects and tree planting efforts. Historically, the voluntary carbon market has been troubled by project developers who haven’t operated their carbon offsetting projects to the environmental and social standards expected by buyers. With the use of offsets on the rise, it’s clear that there is a need for transparency and standardisation within these voluntary markets. In this episode Mel is joined by Tiffany Cheung, the Corporate Engagement Lead at AlliedOffsets, to explain what the voluntary carbon market is, how carbon credits work from purchase to retirement and what quality controls are in place to ensure they are reliable. You’ll learn ● Who are AlliedOffsets? ● What is the voluntary carbon market? ● What are carbon credits, and how do they work? ● What quality controls are in place for carbon credits? ● How will the voluntary carbon market affect future regulatory requirements? ● What does it mean to retire a carbon credit? ● What services do AlliedOffsets offer? Resources ● ● ● In this episode, we talk about: [00:30] Episode Summary – Tiffany Cheung joins Mel to discuss the voluntary carbon market, explaining the carbon credit lifecycle and what quality controls are in place to ensure they are reliable. [01:40] Who are AlliedOffsets?: AlliedOffsets aggregates data from over 30 carbon registries and compliance schemes as well as off-registry transactions to present the most comprehensive dataset on carbon offsetting activity globally. Their data has been featured in publications such as the Financial Times, Forbes, The Guardian and many more. [03:20] How did Tiffany get involved in carbon markets?: Tiffany has been working with AlliedOffsets for over a year, and a lot of their role as Corporate Engagement Lead includes talking to a variety of stakeholders on the buying side of the carbon market, understanding what their motivations for being in the space are, what their strategies are going into the future and their wider decarbonisation process. Tiffany also looks at their transactional activity and how that has changed over time. Prior to their position at Allied Offsets, Tiffany worked in a major environmental advisory and brokerage firm based in London. There they gained a knowledge of both voluntary carbon markets as well as renewable energy markets in that space, this in addition to learning more about the accompanying compliance trading and risk side of things. [06:00] What is the carbon market?: Carbon markets describe markets where carbon is translated from a greenhouse gas into an asset, or a commodity that can be traded. These tend to represent actual tonnes of atmospheric carbon dioxide that have been sequestered somewhere else in the world through various projects. Compliance carbon markets work differently from voluntary carbon markets. Compliance carbon markets provide regulated ways of pricing carbon, both in terms of reducing emissions and generally making polluters aware of the environmental impact of their emissions in a financial way. They may be associated with the voluntary carbon market, also known as the VCM, or they may be referred to as a kind of carbon tax. [07:05] What’s the difference between a voluntary carbon market and a non-voluntary carbon market? If you are engaging in the voluntary carbon market, there is no legislative impetus for you to be involved in it. It’s mostly driven by a business’ own desire to offset emissions. The offsetting of residual emissions is done through the purchase of carbon credits, which are representative of 1 tonne of CO2 equivalent removed from the atmosphere. If you offset all of your remaining emissions, then you may be able to claim carbon neutrality for the year that the credits apply to. The benefits of carbon credit-issuing projects aren’t always related to solely greenhouse gas removal, and depending on a businesses motivations, you can help to fund a wide range of beneficial projects such as clean water provision or improved cook stoves which improve air quality in domestic settings. [09:25] What type of organisations are leading the way with carbon credit purchasing? – AlliedOffsets has unique access to the transaction history across 30 different global registries, enabling them to provide an up to date and wide ranging view on the voluntary carbon market. There is a very strong relationship between how polluting a sector is and how well engaged it is with the voluntary carbon markets. So major players include energy producers, aviation, maritime, ground transportation and mining and materials. There is also an increase in financial services, technology and telecommunications services entering the carbon market. Tiffany expects this trend to continue with increased data centre usage and artificial intelligence driving up energy consumption across these sectors. [11:10] How does the voluntary carbon market operate?: When a company first decides they want to buy carbon credits, ideally they would engage with a well-established broker or intermediary who can source a variety of carbon credits. It’s helpful for the broker to know what sort of carbon credits or projects a company is looking to invest in. There’s a lot of different options, including: ● Forestry ● Alternative land use ● Blue Carbon ● Engineered carbon dioxide removal The company will let the broker know how many tonnes of carbon credits they’d like to buy, attributed to a certain period of time or activity based on their quantification and existing carbon reporting. Market prices will range quite significantly based off of what technology type or methodology you're going with, but most carbon credits are currently sub $15. Once agreed, your intermediary will secure and retire the credits for you, from the registry and project developer. Retiring a carbon credit means they are taken entirely off the market and they're considered to be “spent” or used. Nobody else can use those as an investment or offset at that point, and the purchasing company can consider their carbon footprint to have been neutralised for the specified period. [12:00] What quality controls are in place for the voluntary carbon market? While there isn't a master registry, there are several registries across the world that generally dominate the market. They vary in terms of the methodologies that they may or may not specialise in, as well as with geographies. The biggest ones that you're most likely to see in the market are known as VCS, GS, ACR, and CAR. These account for about 80% of the total market volume by retirement and issuance. The way that these registries work is that they perform a bookkeeping function within the space. Projects will register their sequestered tonnes of CO2 removed with these registries, who will then check to see if these projects have complied with their methodology, which would have been set by a Standards Body. Once approved, those project developers can sell their credits as a commodity. When a business wants to buy credits, the type of projects they want to engage with will dictate the sort of registries they’ll be engaging with. There are also checks in place set by the registries to ensure that project developers use third parties to further validate their project activities. [16:45] What are the methodologies used in the voluntary carbon market? A methodology refers to the way in which a specific project should be undertaken in order to ensure that the pace of carbon sequestration and storage is consistent throughout the project's life. Registries are ultimately responsible for issuing the appropriate methodology, and the project developers need to be able to evidence compliance to that methodology. The process for a project to be registered is quite complicated, and it generally takes 2 – 3 years from concept to being in a position to issue credits. There is also a requirement to have their work validated by a Verification and Validation Body (VVB). These are third party auditors who check the evidence provided by project developers to ensure they comply with the necessary methodology. This may include the VVBs undertaking a site visit. [19:30] Will regulatory requirements be introduced within the voluntary carbon market? – Tiffany states that there is definitely a demand for regulatory requirements in the space. There a two key drivers for this: The need for integrity among buyers – There are many sectors where engaging in a more unregulated space can be risky. Sectors such as the legal and financial sectors need a certain level of oversight to ensure they are making sound investments. Convergence of compliance and voluntary markets – This is a change that’s been happening over the past few years. This is being driven by governments taking part in the voluntary carbon market space and realising that they can yield returns for the country. Additionally, when they’re spending public funds, there needs to be a certain level of assurance in the projects they’re engaging with. There is also a growing appetite for businesses engaging in this market to ensure that they are doing the best thing possible ahead of the curve. There’s been a lot of negative press around greenwashing projects, leading to potentially tarnished reputations, to the need for proper checks and regulation is becoming a necessity. [22:45] What does it mean for a carbon credit to be retired? – The point at which a carbon credit is retired is when it has been taken totally out of circulation for the market. That means that no other broker, intermediary or end buyer would be able to use that credit in any kind of capacity. It's like having the receipt to say this person has purchased this product, it belongs to them now and nobody else can use it. [24:30] How are stakeholders using the data provided by AlliedOffsets? – AlliedOffsets has a very wide data set, with an equally wide range of stakeholders. Some particularly interesting use cases include: Benchmarking against the competition – Corporate buyers use their data to compare how their activity measures up to competitors or peers within their sector due to AlliedOffsets long view of historic activity. It highlights what projects are being favoured by their competitors and what kind of price points they should be looking at as well. Project developer research - Another common use case is that project developers will want to see who is active in the market and who they should be targeting for funding. AlliedOffsets can see specific buyer activity broken down by region as well as methodology, which means project developers have a really good chance of being able to engage with buyers who are entering the space and might not have established those direct procurement relationships. Government consultation - Markets can be a huge source of income from the private sector into the public purse. For example, you might have a voluntary carbon market scheme that's associated with a compliance scheme, which can mean tax benefits for complying businesses alongside socio-environmental benefits for the country. If you’d like to learn more about AlliedOffsets, or for more about buyer activity in the VCM! If you’d like any assistance with carbon standards, they’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#213 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Sarah Ball
04/09/2025
#213 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Sarah Ball
ISO consultancy isn’t a field many aspire to enter, mostly because many don’t know it exists until you’re tasked with either managing an existing ISO Management System or implementing a brand new one. We’re continuing with our latest mini-series where we introduce members of our team, to explore how they fell into the world of ISO and discuss the common challenges they face while helping clients achieve ISO certification. In this episode we introduce Sarah Ball, a Senior Isologist® at Blackmores, to learn about her journey towards becoming an ISO Consultant and what drives her to help clients on their ISO journey. You’ll learn · What is Sarah’s role at Blackmores? · What does Sarah enjoy outside of consultancy? · What path did Sarah take to become an ISO Consultant? · What is the biggest challenge she’s faced when implementing ISO Standards? · What is Sarah’s biggest achievement? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:30] Episode Summary – We introduce Sarah Ball, a Senior Isologist® here at Blackmores, to discuss her journey towards becoming an ISO consultant who specialises in , , and . [03:45] What is Sarah’s role at Blackmores? Sarah is a Senior Isologist® with Blackmores, supporting companies with maintaining systems, undertaking internal audits, and supporting with implementing new systems to gain certification utilising our Isology methodology. Sarah also coordinates the development of content of our online learning platform, the isologyhub. [04:50] What does Sarah enjoy doing outside of consultancy?: Sarah has a keen interest in history, having studied it at school, she like to travel to various locations of historical interest. She also spends a lot of time researching her own family tree, learning as much as she can about the far reaching members of the past. Sarah also likes to go jogging outside, as the gym environment didn’t inspire much enjoyment, she instead prefers to be in nature while exercising. She has also participated in long distance running for charity, completing the 10k Race for Life. She’s taking on the more daunting muddy 5K version this year, which includes a number of obstacles, so we’re wishing her luck! One of the new hobbies she’s like to take up this year include mountain climbing, with Mount Snowdon on her to-do list. [06:35] What was Sarah’s path towards becoming an ISO Consultant?: Sarah initially started in Customer Services, working as a customer service advisor in a company and then got promoted to manager of a team. At that point, her role became more about understanding why they were getting certain complaints and what could be done to prevent them happening rather than just resolving them. She ended up spending more time with suppliers and other departments to help prevent some of the recurring issues, and along the line it lead onto being asked to implement an ISO 9001 Quality Management System. Which was a tall request considering the fact that at the time, Sarah knew nothing about ISO 9001 outside of it’s designation and area of focus. As a result, she spent a lot of time researching it, and had the help of an external consultant to Implement the Management System. This was necessary, as knowing how to apply it to a business was something that she needed support with. 2 years later, the company asked Sarah to implement an ISO 45001 Health & Safety management system and an ISO 14001 environmental management system. These two she implemented herself after getting a feel for it during the initial quality management system implementation. For the next 10 years, Sarah worked in other companies, assisting with their integrated management systems. Along the way, she also picked up on ISO 27001 Information Security, before landing in Blackmores in 2020. [09:10] A path people fall onto – Most people don’t actively plan to get into ISO consultancy, it’s usually a result of being tasked with managing or implementing a management system while working in another role. [10:10] What is Sarah’s favourite aspect of being a Consultant? – Sarah enjoys the variety, not just in the work and tasks but in the companies and industries that she gets to work with. Each have their own way of working, unique approaches and knowledge nuggets in the form of ways of working that can be cherry picked and applied elsewhere. She also likes to see how a management system develops and evolves overtime and how it can become part of a company’s success, driving continual improvement. Sarah enjoys working with people that can see the real benefits of ISO management systems, rather than just focusing on the certificate on the wall. [13:40] Making a Management System your own – Sarah is a big proponent of making a Management system your own, giving it an identity so that it can be fully integrated into the way a business works. Businesses do it all the time, usually by naming large projects that everyone can reference by a common shorthand. A Management System can work in the same way, making it a part of the day-to-day running of the business. She’s also a fan of not worrying about the terminology in Standards. Many of the terms used are meant to be general, this was due to the way international audiences referred to certain aspects of management, it wouldn’t always translate correctly. So many Standards have some admittedly awkward terminology that can be applied to any business, and you by no means have to use their wording, as long as you can explain what relates to what in an audit then you’re free to name things as appropriate to you. [16:55] What Standards does Sarah specilaise in and why? Starting with: · ISO 9001 Quality: This is the main standard that Sarah starting working with, and is one that touches on a lot of areas within other Standards. It’s a great base to build off of, and is the starting point for many venturing into the world of ISO. · ISO 14001 Environmental: Sarah got experience with this Standard at her first company, it’s also commonly implemented alongside ISO 9001. · ISO 45001 Health & Safety: Another one of the first Standards Sarah implemented, it’s also a common one to see in integrated management systems. · ISO 27001 Information Security: Sarah got to grips with this Standard through years of working with other companies. Sarah’s favourite Standard is ISO 9001, not only because it was her first experience with implementing ISO Standards, but because it create a blueprint for success. ISO Standards are setting the minimum requirement, not the maximum, they are designed get you started so you can make continual improvements. It also acts as a foundation to build onto, you can pick aspects of other Standards to integrate into your existing system. You don’t necessarily have to certify to those additional Standards, but nothing is stopping you from strengthening your Management System with the best bits from other ISO’s. [21:00] Sarah’s favourite clause in ISO 9001: Sarah personally favors Clause 10 – non-conformity and corrective action. The reason behind that choice is due to that clauses’ importance in driving continual improvement. It’s about taking something negative being turned into a positive, which is what Quality Management is at it’s core. [22:05] What is the biggest challenge Sarah had faced during a project and how did he overcome it?: Molding the Standard to the business. As a consultant, the biggest challenge is understanding how to make the requirements of a Standard fit the business, and not the other way round. It’s all about trying to align the ISO Standard requirements to their values and mission, and then getting people on board with understanding the true benefits of management system implementation. At Blackmores, we ensure that each management system is unique to each business. We don’t operate with a copy paste model. This is another reason why Sarah encourages naming your management system, by branding it you encourage engagement. Sarah highlights the fact that we run a lot of workshops in the initial part of a project, conducting a Gap Analysis, SWOT and PESTLE ect, this helps our consultants to really get a feel for how a business ticks. From that, we can help steer the delivery of the Management System to the wider business, by building it into their existing tools, such as an intranet. [25:45] Leading by example: We revamped our own ISO 9001 Management System a few years ago, with both Rachel Churchman and Sarah Ball leading the refresh. We gave it a name, H20 (How 2 Operate) and integrated it with our Microsoft Teams channels as we’d all swapped to mostly remote work following the COVID pandemic in 2020. As Sarah points out, there are many different ways to display and deliver your management system, including: · Microsoft Teams · Intranet · Google / Google Drive · SharePoint · CRM’s such as Monday.com The key is building it into the day-to-day tools everyone uses. Make the Management System part of your processes, so adhering and maintaining it becomes part of everyone’s way of working. [28:55] What is Sarah’s proudest achievement? Obtaining her degree through the Open University while still working full time. It took Sarah 8 years of hard work to obtain her honours degree in History, which was one not required by her work or career development. It was simply something she wanted to do to prove to herself that she could achieve it. Many other members of Blackmores can attest to Sarah’s level of determination, and organisation, as she shares many tips and techniques learned from her years of study and work. This includes: – Learned from Graham Allcott’s book, which seeks to help reduce procrastination, and tackle tasks with efficiency. – A tool to help keep track of ideas / tasks that aren’t an immediate priority. These tools are now used by a number of the team, and we have no doubt Sarah will be schooling us on more techniques in future. If you’d like any assistance with implementing ISO standards, we’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#212 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Darren Morrow
03/26/2025
#212 Driving ISO Implementation – Meet the Consultant: Darren Morrow
We share a lot of success stories here on the ISO Show, along with hints, tips and updates to Standards, including insights from our consultants who work with Standards day in and day out. In our latest mini-series, we’re taking a step back to introduce members of our team, to explore how they fell into the world of ISO and discuss the common challenges they face while helping clients achieve ISO certification. In this episode we introduce Darren Morrow, a Senior Consultant at Blackmores, to learn about his journey towards becoming an ISO Consultant and what drives him to help clients on their ISO journey. You’ll learn · What is Darren’s role at Blackmores? · What does Darren enjoy outside of consultancy? · What path did Darren take to become an ISO Consultant? · What is the biggest challenge he’s faced when implementing ISO Standards? · What is Darren’s biggest achievement? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:30] Episode Summary – We introduce Darren Morrow, a Senior Consultant here at Blackmores, to discuss his journey towards becoming an ISO consultant who specialises in , , and . [03:45] What is Darren’s role at Blackmores? Darren is a Senior Consultant with Blackmores, supporting companies with maintaining systems, undertaking internal audits, and supporting with implementing new systems to gain certification. A key part of his role is translating ISO Standards into plain English, and guides clients on how to apply them in practice. [04:55] What does Darren enjoy doing outside of consultancy?: Darren moved to Norfolk back in 2021 ans has since found the relaxed way of life there to be a great fit. It also offers a lot of good walking opportunities for his 2 Leonberger's (giant breed dogs), who mostly enjoy the local parks and beach walks. Darren is also an avid reader, clocking in a whopping 343 weeks’ worth of reading on his kindle. His favourite genres include:- · Crime, thriller, adventure types - Clive Cussler, Michael Connelly, David Baldacci, CJ Box, Dan Brown, James Carol · Horror - James Herbert, Stephen King · Supernatural, urban fantasy, fantasy - Ben Aaronvitch, Jim Butcher, Raymond E Feist, C S Lewis & Tolkien · Historical - CJ Sansom, SJ Parris · And Terry Pratchett for a weird dose of reality. He’s also a movie buff, with a collection of over 1,000 films ranging from the 1930’s all the way to modern era. Recently he took on the challenge of watching all the Marvel films in chronological order, which took a few weeks! [10:35] What was Darren’s path towards becoming an ISO Consultant?: Before Blackmores, Darren was the Quality Manager for a company that worked within the Highways Maintenance sector, working there for 8 years. For the first 18 months he was primarily the Quality Manager for a specific contract on the Olympic Park, as that contract came to an end, he moved into the main company Quality Manager role supporting multiple highway term maintenance contracts along with various smaller projects that the business won. Prior to that, he was a SHEQ Advisor within the Rail industry, working for a signaling company. Darren worked there for about 5 years, within head office support roles for quality and health and safety, moving to working on supporting the project teams and project delivery for signaling schemes. Overall, looking back, he’s worked with standards within a quality, health & safety, environmental for around 25 years now. [13:20] What is Darren’s favourite aspect of being a Consultant? – Darren likes the variety. As an ISO Consultant, he gets to work with lots of different people, companies and industries, so he gets to learn a lot about how they work and how Standards apply to different industries. He also enjoys the fact that after working with clients for a number of years, he becomes just another member of the team. [15:15] What Standards does Darren specilaise in and why? Starting with: · ISO 9001 Quality: This is the main standard that Darren starting working with back in 1999 · ISO 45001 Occupational Health and Safety: While working within rail, Darren was given the opportunity to do some training and proceeded to complete NEBOSH courses - general and construction, this proved invaluable in future roles. · ISO 14001 Environmental: Darren ended up working with this Standard as part of on-going development. His role as a Quality Manager expanded, and at the time, all external audits with our certification body were coordinated through him. So, for on-going development he completed the NEBOSH environmental managed certificate. · ISO 50001 Energy Management: This is one of Darren’s favourites. He’s taken on this standard since working with Blackmores and seemed like a natural progression with the work he was already doing. He likes how this standard helps companies think more about their impacts on the environment in terms of energy consumption. In terms of companies climate change impacts, Darren likes how ISO 50001 can support deep dives into data that is available or not clearly available in many cases to support improvement and reduction in energy consumption. This also can pave the way for those companies that take it more seriously, and progress to newer standards like ISO14064-1 for quantification and reporting of greenhouse gases, but also part 3 for the verification and validation of greenhouse gases. This is where our sister company, , really excel. Darren does his bit with ISO 50001 clients to educate and prepare them for taking more proactive steps towards meaningful energy and carbon reporting. For example, if they grow sufficiently or fall within the parameters of mandatory schemes such as or reporting, or they just want to do their bit and demonstrate their commitment to minimising their impact on the environment and overall energy consumption. [23:10] What is the biggest challenge Darren had faced during a project and how did he overcome it?: He doesn’t have a single one that stands out, but common issues are usually either down to availability or commitment of the individuals within the company he’s supporting. For example, the company may decide that they require certification to a standard or multiple standards. There will be commitment from some within the business, and there are those that may not see the importance or feel it's not important to them and what they do. Darren’s job is to support the company in achieving its main goal in gaining certification. His work with the company involved explaining what is to be done and why. He’s found that most of any resistance is because individuals do not know the why and how it impacts them, etc. The other aspect is to make it clear that he is not there to tell them what to do, or that they’re doing it wrong. He works with people to either document the process (where required), help them find improvement in the process and continue to search for improvement. [27:00] What is Darren’s proudest achievement? Darren states that there’s no one definitive achievement to highlight, rather he would say supporting clients who are new to the standards. Working with them and providing knowledge so that they know the 'why' and understand the standards and their processes, and finally seeing the end result with being recommended for certification. The ones that he’s particularly happy with are those that go for multiple standards, that result in recommendation for certification with little or no significant findings from the certification body, it shows that the company has been fully engaged and embedded the overall process into how they work. If you’d like any assistance with implementing ISO standards, we’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#211 The Power of Communicating Your Management System
03/19/2025
#211 The Power of Communicating Your Management System
A well implemented ISO Management System can improve efficiency, customer satisfaction and drive continual improvement for a business. On the flip side, a poorly implemented Management system will yield little to no results, so what makes the biggest difference between good and bad implementation? Communication is the key. If no one knows about your Management System, then how can it benefit the business as a whole? In this episode Ian Battersby discusses the importance of effective communication of your Management System, why it’s vital to reap the full benefits of ISO Implementation and gives some examples of how you can communicate elements of your Management system to the wider business. You’ll learn · Why do you need to communicate your management system? · What do you need to communicate? · Why is it important to communicate your Management system? · Different ways you can communicate your management system · How can you measure effective communication? Resources · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:30] Episode Summary – Ian talks discusses elements of communicating a management system including, why you need to communicate and what needs to be communicated, the importance of doing so and how you can go about doing it. [02:45] Why do you need to communicate your Management System? In every ISO Standard, communication is a requirement. The levels and information specified will vary depending on the Standard, but the principles remain consistent. Ian cites as providing further guidance to improve on what’s initially required. In Clause 7.4 it states: “The effective communication of policies, strategy, relevant objectives is essential to the sustained success of an organisation.” Going on to state that communication should be “Meaningful, timely and continual” and that there should be some form of feedback within it to be able to address changes in the organisation’s context. So, it’s not just a one time exercise. It also states that: “communication processes should be both vertical and horizontal and be tailored to the differing needs of its recipients, whether internal or external.” So you also need to consider the external communication needs too. [04:35] Empowering through communication: ISO 9004 also talks about engaged, empowered and motivated people and their value as a key resource. These types of people help organisations to create and deliver value, so you should have processes in place for engaging those people, to gather feedback and drive continual improvement. [05:40] Where is Communication referenced in Standards?: Typically, communication is Clause 7.4 in most ISO Standards. Additionally there are elements of communication included in Clause 7.3. Awareness. The Awareness clause focuses on employees knowledge of the Management System, and is more focused on internal communications rather than with external interested parties. [06:25] What should be communicated internally? Under Clause 7.3 Awareness, it requires you to share: · Policies · Objectives · The consequences of non-conformance Other Standards may have additional communication requirements such as , which also highlights the need to share risks, hazards, incidents and the outcomes of investigations. [07:10] Clause 7.4 Communication – This clause is more about determining internal and external communications. This includes considerations for: · What communications are relevant? · When should they be communicated? · Who should they be communicated to? · Who should be the one to communicate this information? Some Standards may also include specifications for communicating legal requirements, such as and ISO 45001. [08:20] Nuance in effective communication: One key element of communication is ensuring that it’s understood and applied by the wider business. This doesn’t mean that every employee should be able to parrot a specific policy within a business, but rather they should at least know where to find it and understand the implications for them. [09:40] A link between Communication and Leadership: Leadership plays a key role in communications, and ISO Standards specify that certain elements can’t be delegated to another individual. Clause 5 Leadership specifically states: · They shall promote the use of the process approach and risk-based thinking, not delegating that promotion. · They should communicate to the importance of the management system and of conforming to that management system. · They should engage directly and support persons to contribute to the effectiveness of the system. · They should promote continual improvement. · They should support other relevant managers to demonstrate their leadership in their areas of responsibility. We’ve stressed the importance of Leadership in the success of a Management System in a previous episode, and their support with communication is a big part of that. [11:20] Communicating Objectives: Clause 6.2 Objectives states that they must be established and communicated. This doesn’t have to be to everyone, so you can be selective and communicate certain objectives relevant to select people. [11:40] How to effectively communicate your management system – Management systems can be vast, and it can be tricky to know exactly how much to communicate and to who. The first tip is to keep it simple. Translate the ‘Standard speak’ into something recognisable for your business, which may not always be easy if you’re familiar with the Standards terminology. However you need to relate these elements to how people in the business work. Try to keep it brief to avoid confusion. Next, ensure you are assuaging fears. Many are firstly opposed to the introduction of things like Operational Procedures if they’ve not worked with a Management System in place previously. However, all this is in practice is a written format for how they work, it shouldn’t drastically change the way in which they work. Make sure they know this and describe what elements will change i.e. documentation updates. Lastly, they need awareness of the consequences of non-conformance and the need to look for opportunities to improve. [15:25] Communicating Policies – This is a part of all ISO Standards, a Policy can’t just be hidden away in a rarely visited folder. A Policy communicates the intent of top management in an organisation, and is something that should be communicated to everyone, which could include external parties. So, you should try to keep this concise. On one page ideally. As long as you’ve encompassed the vision, values, strategy and top management commitment, and for certain standards a commitment to legal requirements, then you will meet an ISO Standards requirements. Some businesses like to include links to all their procedures within a policy, which by all means, you can, but don’t expect people to read a 48 page policy and understand it enough to apply to their daily working lives. [17:00] How can you communicate your Management System? – One key objective of communication is to ensure people understand and apply what’s being communicated. To help achieve this, you may want to use multiple methods of communication, including: · Feedback options on content i.e. a yes or no check / options to provide feedback · Training sessions · Intranet page – quick links to relevant content such as policies or audit findings · Regular briefings · Notice boards · Electronic displays · Company briefs · Team meetings [20:25] How can you measure effective communication? There’s a lot of ways you can assess this, including: · E-mail voting – to clarify when people have read specific documents · LMS Systems · Through SharePoint systems · Conduct surveys · During Internal Audits All of these can be used as methods of feedback where you can identify further opportunities for improvement from various levels of the business. [21:35] When should you consider external communications? – Clause 4.2 is where you’re required to consider the needs and expectations of interested parties. When going through an anaylsis of these interested parties, you determine what they expect out of your Management System. Standards don’t specify the need to write a communication plan, but they do say who’s going to communicate what to whom, including how and when. In combination with that analysis of interested parties, it creates a solid basis for an effective communications plan. Again, some discretion will be required as not every external party will need to be privy to your internal policies and procedures. Just communicate what’s relevant to them. If you’d like any assistance with implementing ISO standards, we’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#210 What is the EU Green Claims Directive
03/12/2025
#210 What is the EU Green Claims Directive
Greenwashing is a concern for both businesses and consumers. The proliferation of it in recent years has caused genuine green claims to be treated with an air of caution rather than being rightfully celebrated. It’s become clear that there is a need for transparent and substantiated green claims, both to help consumers and stakeholders to make informed decisions and to ensure that real steps towards sustainability are being taken. Is the upcoming EU Green Claims Directive the answer we’ve been looking for? In this episode Mel is joined by Charlie Martin, CEO and Founder of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, to discuss the purpose of the EU Green Claims Directive, who it applies to and what it’s requirements for substantiation and verification mean in practice. You’ll learn · What is the purpose of the EU Green Claims Directive? · What are the drivers behind this objective? · Who is required to comply with the EU Green Claims Directive? · What do the requirements for substantiation and verification mean in practice? · How will the directive impact the use of carbon offsetting and carbon neutrality claims within the EU? Resources · · · · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:30] Episode Summary – Charlie Martin joins Mel to discuss the upcoming EU Green Claims Directive, who it applies to and what it’s requirements mean in practice. [02:30] What is the purpose of the EU Green Claims Directive?: This directive is a new law, not simply a voluntary scheme that businesses can opt into. It’s a regulation that governs all voluntary green or environmental claims made by organisations operating within the EU, and requires data to back these claims up. Another key fundamental of this directive is the need for independent verification of any claims before they’re made public. [04:35] What are the main drivers for the EU Green Claims Directive?: One of the key drivers is combatting the rampant rise in greenwashing. It’s created a culture of mistrust around green claims, which makes it difficult for stakeholders and consumers to make informed decisions on who to work with or buy from. Greenwashing also makes it harder to tackle bigger environmental concerns. With misleading data, we can’t accurately measure businesses impact on the environment, which is essential if we are to take meaningful action to reduce our impact. Ultimately, greenwashing practices are slowing down our ability to effectively reduce our impact as a collective. We are at a point where sustainability related decisions need to be made quickly. [08:00] Clearer Communications: This directive also has more control over what you can and can’t say in relation to green claims. By waiting until that independent verification has occurred, businesses can feel confident in the information they’re communicating. [09:30] What is Green Masking? Coined by Carbonology, green masking is where organisations are essentially marking their own homework and hiding behind that fact. It’s where no independent verification has taken place, which can result in a lack of accuracy and transparency. [10:25] Who needs to comply with the EU Green Claims Directive? – This is an EU based regulation, so if you’re located within the EU you will be expected to comply with this law. If you do business within the EU, so if you’re based in the UK and sell to Europe, then you will also fall under this jurisdiction as well. [11:25] What is required by the EU Green Claims Directive?: A full summary of the directive’s requirements can be found on the . A simple break down of these requirements is also available on The Anti-Greenwash Charter website. Charlie recommends familiarising yourself with the EU Green Claims Directive requirements initially, which are written to suit how businesses generally operate. He also advises that you seek legal assistance as well as sustainability and marketing experts or consultants to get a full picture of how you can comply with these requirements. [13:35] There is an emphasis on substantiation and verification in the EU Green Claims Directive – what does this mean in practice? A green claim doesn’t account for much if you’re marking your own homework. For it to be truly substantiated, it needs to be verified by an independent third party. The Directive also highlights the need for life cycle data, and its inclusion within the verification process. This will give businesses a more wholistic view of the impact of the materials they use, the products they use and services they deliver. Charlie encourages businesses to get a head start on this now, not only due to the benefits it can bring but also to get ahead of the tightening of sustainability legislation that is coming down the road for the UK. [16:15] How will the directive impact the use of carbon offsetting and carbon neutrality claims within the EU? Businesses are going to have to be crystal clear in their terminology in terms of their substantiated claims. There is going to be a lot more scrutiny on the quality of evidence provided for carbon claims, so businesses may want to outsource help with analysing the relevant carbon data and communicating any claims and offsetting efforts. [18:25] Is the Directive ambitious enough? Or could it be strengthened? – Previous attempts to enforce sustainability regulations have been rather weak, and time will tell if this EU Directive is set to change that pattern. Charlie praises the Directives approach to best practice, though that will evolve further as time goes on. He thinks that the use of generative AI and how that impacts and influences sustainability communications needs to be considered further. It’s all still quite new, so this may be added in down the line. The Anti-Greenwash Charter already have considerations for responsible AI use within communications and data processing within their . They caution any signatories of their Charter to be very careful with the use of AI to support data collection and analysis, as it has the tendency to ‘hallucinate’, and companies will be held responsible for any mishaps related to incorrect results provided by AI. [23:00] What are the potential consequences for businesses that fail to meet the requirements of the EU Green Claims Directive? – The penalties will be significant, including both fines and potential bans in areas such as marketing, advertising and promoting sustainability claims on the basis of malpractice. Time will tell on how these penalties are delivered and to what extent within the EU and UK. It shares similarities with other regulations, such as , where a phased approach was implemented for organisations that met certain criteria. [25:00] How can The Anti-Greenwash Chater help organisations comply with the EU Green Claims Directive? – Since it’s inception in 2022, they have paid close attention to the Directive’s development, utilising any improvements and iterations to bolster their own process. As a result, a lot of the work they do with signatories directly aligns with and facilitates the delivery of the foundations of the Directive. Examples of this include: Independent verification – Their Green Claims Policy has to include a green claims database, so any claim that a business want to make has to have the relevant data to back it up. It also requires specification of what third party that business used to verify that evidence. Accessibility of evidence – This is stressed within the EU Green Claims Directive, and is easily fulfilled with the creation of a green claims database as specified by The Anti-Greenwash Charters’ Green Claims Policy. of how The Anti-Greenwash Charter can help with compliance to the EU Green Claims Directive is available on their website. [27:55] How will the EU Green Claims Directive will impact consumer trust in environmental claims? – There’s currently an issue with the flooding of sustainability related communications. With greenwashing so rampant, making an informed decision as a consumer is really difficult. The standardisation of sustainability credibility and substantiation is what the EU Green Claims Directive aims to do. Ultimately, it will act as a trustworthy marker for stakeholders and consumers to make an informed decision quickly. If you’d like to learn more about The Anti-Greenwash Charter, If you’d like any assistance with carbon standards, they’d be happy to help! 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#209 Introducing The Anti-Greenwash Charter
03/05/2025
#209 Introducing The Anti-Greenwash Charter
We are hitting a crunch point in regard to keeping to the 1.5°C limit as set out in the Paris Agreement. It’s going to take a collective effort to reduce the most catastrophic impacts of climate change, which is exactly why we’re seeing an increase in legislation and regulations that call for tangible evidence of sustainability efforts to combat the rise in greenwashing. If you’re looking for guidance on sustainability transparency, today’s guest has an initiative that can help. In this episode Mel is joined by Charlie Martin, CEO and Founder of The Anti-Greenwash Charter, to discuss how their charter promotes transparency and accountability for sustainability claims, and how it can help consumers to identify credible carbon claims. You’ll learn · What is The Anti-Greenwash Charter · How can the Charter ensure credible carbon claims? · What are the biggest challenges businesses face in measuring their carbon footprint? · How can The Anti-Greenwash Charter help consumers to spot credible carbon claims? · What role do governments and regulatory bodies play in combatting greenwashing? Resources · · · In this episode, we talk about: [00:30] Episode Summary – Charlie Martin joins Mel to discuss how The Anti-Greenwash Charter can help promote accountability and transparency in sustainability claims, and how it can help consumers identify credible carbon claims. [01:50] What inspired the creation of The Anti-Greenwash Charter?: Charlie used to run an agency called Gusta, which was a UK based business that worked on sustainability communication for organisations in the built environment. His focused shifted when the Competitions and Markets authority in the UK published their Green Claims Code alongside research which found that 40% of sustainability-related messaging online was misleading. At the same time, they had 2 very proactive clients (1 of which was going through B Corp certification) that highlighted that the CMA had not named the built environment as one of the affected sectors. They pointed out that the built environment accounts for 40% of all emissions, so were likely to be targeted by such regulations next. They asked to run a campaign that would Increase confidence both internally within their sectors and externally in their sustainability messaging. It was decided that a publicly available document would be the best way forward to proactively disclose their carbon reduction related activities. Other ideas were added for an editorial process to include legal, sustainability and marketing feedback ahead of publishing. Essentially, the origins are rooted in the notion of a green claims policy, which developed into a more robust accreditation signatory. [06:30] How does Charlie define Greenwashing?: Charlie defines greenwashing as "overstating or misleading stakeholders regarding the environmental credentials of an organization, service, or product. Charlie explains that there are two types of greenwashing: direct and indirect. Direct greenwashing involves making false claims about a product's environmental benefits, while indirect greenwashing involves making true claims that are irrelevant or misleading. [08:00] What are the key principles of the charter, and how do you ensure adherence among signatories?: The 4 key principles are: · Accountability · Honesty · Fairness · Transparency If you’d like to know more about each principle in more detail, visit The Anti-Greenwash Charter website. Taking a look at transparency in more detail, it’s not just about sharing all the best sustainability related news for your business, it’s about being willing and upfront with areas where you’re not as strong. One keyway they ensure signatories adhere to this principle involves publicly displacing their green claims policies. The first section of every policy is ‘where can we improve?’ – they specify this as there isn’t a company that is 100% environmentally sustainable, and businesses need to be honest about this if they want to improve. [12:15] What are Charlie’s thoughts on the current state of Net Zero claims? There are some promising developments, such as the upcoming , which has more requirements set around how people make claims and being held accountable for those. It’s challenging for everyone to navigate, and the big thing here to remember is that everyone is clumsy when it comes to Net Zero. Businesses are trying their best, but when getting deep into the topic of sustainability, it becomes clear how broad it truly is. Ultimately, people have to be okay with getting things wrong. Some people see setting ambitious targets as dangerous, but if we don’t push for them, change is going to happen at a snails pace. There is a need for credible, substantiated plans that are in-line with best practice, but we need to be careful to not go too far in that direction to ensure that it helps rather than hinders sustainability efforts. Innovation should be encouraged and not punished if mistakes are made or certain really ambitious targets aren’t met within a certain timeframe. Mel highlights that Standards such as are great frameworks to guide businesses in measuring their carbon footprint, with guidance that encourages independent third party verification for further transparency. [15:40] The Green Claims Directive and Transparency – Charlie highlights that the Green Claims Directive identifies independent third party verification as a mandatory requirement of claims made before they’re disclosed publicly. As this is also something that The Anti-Greenwash Charter encourages, signatories are already ahead of the curve. [17:10] What are the biggest challenges that companies are facing in accurately measuring their carbon footprint and how does the Charter help to address these challenges? The main challenge is accurately measuring their carbon footprint, and the charter acts as a signpost with referral partners who can assist with this aspect of their sustainability journey. Another challenge is communication. So you’ve got your substantiated claims and green credentials, but how do you go about communicating that? That’s one of the crucial elements that The Anti-Greenwash Charter can help with. As mentioned earlier, they can help verify a publicly available green claims policy, which is a huge step towards credible carbon claims. If you’d like an example of this, you can download Anti-Greenwash Charters’ green from their website – which provides a step-by-step guide on producing one of your own. [20:50] What are the broader benefits for companies that adopt a transparent and credible green claim? Charlie explains that signatories have used their status as a signatory for their Charter on tender frameworks, and won due to that fact. Another benefit is the Charters’ credibility, which gives external stakeholders confidence that a business is doing what they claim to be doing. They also offer anti-greenwashing awareness training, which gives those within the business the tools and techniques that can be utilised in any published content to ensure they aren’t making any greenwashing claims. [22:25] The negative effects of greenwashing on well meaning businesses: Charlie and Mel both highlight the sad reality that many businesses would prefer to simply not make any green initiatives or claims public for fear that if they are not done 100% successfully then there’s a chance for reputational damage. The need for robust sustainability frameworks that build confidence is clear. Due diligence is important, and so is the need to allow room for mistakes to happen, so long as businesses take the necessary steps to fix them and keep continually improving. [27:15] What role does Charlie see governments and regulatory bodies playing in combating greenwashing, and what policy changes would he like to see? – The EU Green Claims Directive is currently best in class as it requires businesses to look at the consequences of their impact on the environment, in addition to the requirement for independent verification to back up any claims made. Other regulations here in the UK, like the Green Claims Code, is weaker in comparison. It was watered down through negotiation into a more voluntary scheme. For us here in the UK, we really do need to align with Europe, as their regulations are a lot more robust and offer a tangible path towards a united greener future. There are other benefits, as Mel highlights from her Masters research, there is compelling evidence that a company’s value increases by an average of 10% if their carbon claims are independently verified. [32:35] What are Charlie’s aspirations for The Anti-Greenwash Charter? And what are his hopes for the future of credible carbon claims? – They’re really keen to become a multinational signatory, which is already showing promise as they’ve had interest from the US and Australia. Charlie envisions a future where businesses publish a green claims policy regardless of if it’s mandated by legislation. This is so we can build confidence in green claims being made and be assured that people are doing what they say they’re doing. To help with credibility and transparency, The Anti-Greenwash Charter has been incorporated as a not-for-profit organisation. Charlie wants to reaffirm that they started this to ultimately reduce the impact businesses make on the planet, and they are fully committed to this goal. If you’d like to learn more about The Anti-Greenwash Charter, If you’d like any assistance with carbon standards, they’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#208 The Pros and Cons of Sustainability Standards
02/25/2025
#208 The Pros and Cons of Sustainability Standards
ISO Standards have been at the forefront of creating a unified approach to various aspects of sustainability, ensuring businesses have a robust framework to both manage and reduce their environmental impact. However, there are a lot of different sustainability Standards that cover specific areas of sustainability, or only apply to certain sectors. Each come with their own pros and cons, making it tricky to pick the best fit for you. In this episode Steph Churchman introduces four of the leading sustainability focused ISO Standards and explains the benefits and disadvantages of each to help you decide which could be the best fit for your business. You’ll learn · Learn about our upcoming ESG Workshop · What is ISO 14001? · What are the pros and cons of ISO 14001? · What is ISO 50001? · What are the pros and cons of ISO 50001? · What is ISO 20400? · What are the pros and cons of ISO 20400? · What is ISO 14064? · What are the pros and cons of ISO 14064? Resources · · (26th March 2025) In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Steph discusses the leading sustainability ISO Standards, and explains the advantages and disadvantages of each. [02:45] ESG Workshop: On the 26th March 2025 we’ll be explaining how ISO Standards directly support ESG compliance, and we’re including the opportunity to participate in 1 of 3 interactive sessions that tackle things like completing a materiality assessment, a balance scorecard and learning more about the current mandatory ESG reporting requirements. . [03:15] What is ISO 14001?: is the Standard for Environmental Management. Published back in 1996, this Standard is one of the staples in the ISO world. Its main purpose is to establish and implement an effective environmental management system (EMS), with the primary goal of helping organizations to minimize their environmental impact and achieve sustainability objectives. It sets out general requirements for: · Pollution control · Reduction of your impact on the environment · And compliance to relevant legislation It is also due for a revision soon, with the latest version expected to include further considerations for changes to available technology, more emphasis on product life-cycle and supply chain issues and further guidance on integrating environmental issues into your strategic planning. [04:35] What are the benefits of ISO 14001?: Reducing environmental impact: By identifying and controlling environmental aspects, organizations can minimize pollution, reduce waste, and conserve resources. Improved compliance: ISO 14001 helps organizations comply with environmental regulations and legal requirements, such as the environment Act 2021, reducing the risk of fines and penalties. Improved efficiency: ISO 14001 helps to tighten production processes, leading to better efficiency and reduction in the risk of incidents. It also removes uncertainty by managing disruption and waste and helps to clarify staff responsibility. Enhanced reputation: Demonstrating a commitment to environmental responsibility can enhance your reputation and brand image, attracting environmentally conscious customers and stakeholders. Cost savings: Implementing an EMS can lead to cost savings through improved resource efficiency, reduced waste disposal costs, and lower energy consumption. Businesses can also benefit from reduced insurance costs by demonstrating better risk management. Increased competitiveness: ISO 14001 certification can give organizations a competitive advantage in the marketplace, particularly in sectors where environmental performance is a key consideration. [06:45] What are the disadvantages of ISO 14001? Initial costs: Implementing an EMS requires an initial investment in resources, including training, documentation, potentially hiring consultants, and if you’re going for certification, that will incur its own costs from a certification body too. Ongoing maintenance: Maintaining an EMS requires ongoing effort and resources to ensure compliance with the standard and continuous improvement. Potential for bureaucracy: If not implemented effectively, an EMS can become cumbersome, hindering operational efficiency. Limited scope: ISO 14001 focuses primarily on environmental aspects within an organization's direct control, and may not address broader environmental impacts or social responsibility concerns – which is where other Standards can fill the gap. [08:05] What is ISO 50001? – is an internationally recognized standard that provides a framework for organizations to establish, implement, and maintain an Energy Management System (EnMS). The primary goal is to help organizations improve energy performance, including reducing energy consumption, increasing energy efficiency, and using energy more effectively. [08:40] What are the benefits of ISO 50001? Reduced energy costs: By identifying and addressing energy inefficiencies, you can significantly reduce your energy bills. We had great success with this when we worked closely with a branch of the NHS, where their initial energy spend was around £2.8 million which was reduced by £1 million as a result of implementing ISO 50001. Improved energy performance: ISO 50001 helps organizations establish baselines, set targets, and track progress in improving energy performance. This is vital as you can’t hope to reduce what you can’t measure. Enhanced environmental performance: Reduced energy consumption leads to lower greenhouse gas emissions and a reduced environmental impact. Often times, energy usage is the largest impact many organisations have on the environment, especially for those who may only have an office or warehouse. Increased competitiveness: Demonstrating a commitment to energy efficiency can enhance an organization's reputation and attract environmentally conscious customers and stakeholders. Improved operational efficiency: An energy management system can lead to improved operational efficiency through better resource management and reduced waste. [10:55] What are the disadvantages of ISO 50001? Initial investment: Implementing an EnMS requires an initial investment in resources, including training, data collection, and possible help from a consultancy. Limited Guidance: Calculating your energy usage can be complicated, especially if you’re spread across multiple sites and countries. In cases where you’re renting space, you may face difficulties obtaining the information needed, then on top of that is the actual calculation which may involve conversion factors if you’ve got international sites in scope. Resistance to change: Implementing changes to energy-using processes can sometimes meet with resistance from employees. A lot of practices will require a change in habits, such as turning off and unplugging all devices when leaving an office, or more frequent checks on equipment to ensure it’s running optimally. Limited scope: ISO 50001 focuses primarily on energy performance within an organization's direct control and may not address broader energy-related issues or the entire supply chain – which includes its own energy consumption considerations. [12:30] What is ISO 20400? – is an internationally recognized standard that provides guidance on sustainable procurement. It helps organizations integrate sustainability considerations into their procurement processes, ensuring that environmental, social, and economic factors are taken into account when making purchasing decisions. This Standard differs from the others as it’s not a certifiable Standard. It’s a guidance document that you can align with. For those of you looking into ESG schemes, this Standard is often citied as a key tool to help get you in the right place for scoring. In addition, for those of you looking into more comprehensive carbon reporting, Supply chains are often one of the biggest sources of emissions. Alignment with that Standard will allow you to take a good hard look at the suppliers you work with, and determine if they hold the same sustainability values as you. [13:25] What are the benefits of ISO 20400? – Reduced environmental impact: By selecting suppliers with strong environmental performance, businesses can reduce their overall environmental footprint. You also have a great chance to help influence your own supply chain, we know that if you’ve had a reliable supplier for a number of years, it’s not just a simple case of cut and move on. Improved social responsibility: ISO 20400 encourages organizations to consider the social and ethical impacts of their procurement decisions, such as fair labor practices and human rights. Enhanced reputation: Demonstrating a commitment to sustainable procurement can enhance your reputation and brand image. It shows that you’re thinking and acting sustainably from start to finish for either your product production or service delivery. Cost savings: Sustainable procurement practices can lead to cost savings through reduced waste, improved resource efficiency, and lower long-term maintenance costs. Increased innovation: Working with sustainable suppliers can expose you to new technologies, products, and services that can improve your own operations. [15:35] What are the disadvantages of ISO 20400? – Increased complexity: Integrating sustainability considerations into procurement processes can add complexity and require additional resources. This would include supplier checks before working with new suppliers and a review of all current suppliers to see where improvement could be made. Finding sustainable suppliers: Identifying and qualifying sustainable suppliers can be challenging. Though more businesses are certainly making an effort to be more sustainable, ensuring they have proof of their claims is essential. Potential for higher costs: In some cases, sustainable products and services may have a higher initial cost compared to conventional options. Limited scope: ISO 20400 focuses primarily on procurement practices and may not address broader sustainability issues within the organization. This is where ISO 20400 can be supported by certifiable standards such as ISO 14001 and ISO 50001. [17:00] What is ISO 14064? – is an internationally recognized standard that provides a framework for organizations to quantify and report their greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions and removals. It helps organizations to: · Understand their carbon footprint · Set reduction targets · Engage in carbon markets · Improve environmental performance [17:45] What are the benefits of ISO 14064? Improved data quality: The standard provides a robust methodology for collecting, analyzing, and reporting GHG emissions data, ensuring accuracy and consistency. Set achievable reduction targets: By having an accurate way to measure your impact, you can look to set realistic and more importantly achievable reduction targets. Enhanced credibility and transparency: Both consumers and stakeholders are increasingly looking at real tangible evidence of your carbon claims. Simply having a sustainability page full of promises is no longer enough, you need facts and figures to back up what you say you’re doing. Reduced climate risk: By understanding and managing your GreenHouse Gas emissions, you can better mitigate the risks associated with climate change, such as regulatory changes and physical impacts. Competitive advantage: In an increasingly climate-conscious world, businesses that can demonstrate their environmental performance through credible GHG reporting will gain a competitive advantage. [19:30] What are the disadvantages of ISO 14064? Initial investment: Much like the other Standards, if you want to do this right you will have to invest time, resources and money. That could include hiring consultants to help you with the necessary calculations, and if you wish to go for full verification, then there will be an additional cost from a verification body. Ongoing maintenance: Maintaining an accurate and up-to-date GHG inventory requires ongoing effort and resources. Monitoring your emissions doesn’t stop once you get a verification badge, it will be on-going. Data complexity: Collecting and analyzing GHG emissions data can be complex, especially for large and diverse organizations. So, you may need some initial help to do and understand this yourselves. Limited scope: ISO 14064-1 focuses primarily on the quantification and reporting of GHG emissions and removals, and may not address broader sustainability issues. If you’d like any assistance with implementing any of these Standards, , we’d be happy to help! We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#207 Management Review – The Fallacy Of The Annual Event
02/12/2025
#207 Management Review – The Fallacy Of The Annual Event
If you’ve ever implemented an ISO Standard, then the term Management Review will be familiar to you. It’s a mandatory part of the implementation process, and a crucial tool for monitoring continual improvement. Somewhere down the line, it’s become a bit of a myth that a Management Review needs to be an annual meeting. That is simply not the case, while required by the Standard, it’s very flexible on how this could be achieved. In this episode Ian discusses the purpose of Management Review, including what you should be including and getting out of the review and breaks down the fallacy of the annual event. You’ll learn · What is the purpose of a Management Review? · What are the common misconceptions about Management Review? · How Management Review supports other clause requirements · What are the inputs for Management Review? · What are the outputs of a Management Review? Resources · · · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Ian discusses the real purpose of Management Review, and dispels the myth of the annual event. [02:35] What is the purpose of a Management Review?: Management Review is a requirement of all ISO Standards. It’s main purpose is to check if your Management System is fit for purpose, and what needs to be updated to ensure it aligns with your businesses objectives and strategic direction. In short, it’s there as a check to see what’s working well and what’s not working well, in addition to continual improvement considerations. [03:30] What are some common misconceptions about Management Review?: Some common misconceptions include:- · That it’s simply a formality – Rubber-stamping things and missing out on the opportunity to effectively monitor management system progress · That It must be once a year · Having to review everything in excruciating detail i.e. all audit findings · The need to update the risk assessment and re-jigging scores · That you must review and update your SWOT/PESTLE · Or review and update all management system documentation · That it’s the perfect opportunity to re-write a policy There is a time and place for all of these, and you could tackle some of this in a Management Review if you really want to, but that is not the main purpose of a Management Review. [04:50] How Management Review supports other clause requirements - Leadership: If we take as an example, the Leadership clause states: “Top management shall demonstrate leadership and commitment with respect to the quality management system by: a) taking accountability for the effectiveness of the quality management system e) ensuring that the resources needed for the quality management system are available g) ensuring that the quality management system achieves its intended results” These requirements at first glance may seem like they’d require a lot of effort and monitoring of many different factors, but in actuality they can all be satisfied through effective Management Review. [05:55] What involvement is required from top management? As stated in ISO Standards:- “Top management shall review the organization’s management system, at planned intervals, to ensure its continuing suitability, adequacy, effectiveness and alignment with the strategic direction of the organization.” Top management also have involvement in the following elements of implementing and maintaining a management system: · Context · IPs · Risks/Ops · Objectives · Policy · Support · Operation · Performance monitoring Management Review relates specifically to ‘performance monitoring’, but that in of itself will include elements of all the other clauses within the Standard, and many of those require top managements involvement on some level. [07:45] The fallacy of the annual event – The Management Review clause specifically states that a Management Review should be ‘carried out at planned intervals’. Many had interpreted that as once a year, which has been the prevailing myth for decades. Looking at the Standard, no where does it say ‘once a year’, planned intervals means it could be once a month, it could be once a week, it could be a set points during the summer. When deciding on these planned intervals, take into consideration the nature of your business, the size of your business, the risks associated with it and the maturity of your Management System. This will determine how frequent the Management Review should be, as it will differ for every business. [09:10] Examples of Management Review frequency – Ian has worked in an organisation where they had a rather grand Management Review process, where top management and other relevant individuals meet to review the past year and set the scene for the following year. That same organisation also had monthly meetings with the same members of top management to keep on top of new and on-going issues. That isn’t to say this is the only way to run Management Review. Some opt to have quarterly meetings, others once every 6 months and some even leave it to once a year. [10:40] What is required of Management Review? Inputs – Clause 9.3 details the requirements of Management Reivew in most Standards (some swap 9.3 and 9.2 around, but the contents remains the same). First, the inputs required for Management Review include: The status of actions from previous management reviews - If you said you were going to do something before, how’s that going? Changes in external and internal issues that are relevant to the quality management system - this doesn’t mean that every meeting should consider the SWOT/PESTLE/IP tables, but there must be some determination of when that’s done in detail and when a senior mgt discussion should include the key aspects of that and its impact. There is a need to review these things when required anyway, so doing it only at pre-defined times can be problematic. Information on the performance and effectiveness of the quality management system, including tends in:- · Customer satisfaction and feedback from relevant interested parties; · The extent to which objectives have been met; · Process performance and conformity of products and services; · Nonconformities and corrective actions; · Monitoring and measurement results; · Audit results; · The performance of external providers; · The adequacy of resources; · The effectiveness of actions taken to address risks and opportunities; · Opportunities for improvement. [20:45] What is required of Management Review? Outputs – You will also have a number of outputs from Management Review, including:- Opportunities for Improvement – This could be as a result or reviewing audit findings and discussing the OFI’s found and how you can address and implement these. You could also use the Management Review to review and set new objectives for the year ahead. Any need for changes to the management system – You may need to review policies and procedures and see if they’re still fit for purpose, if they’re not then this is a good venue to discuss and update them. Other aspects that may have changed or will have a need to change include: · Interested parties – have their needs and expectations changed? · People – Do you need to change the people involved with certain processes? · Awareness – Do you need to raise more awareness around a specific topic? Resource needs – You may need to raise the need for more resourcing in regard to the management system or related processes. If you’d like to learn about alternative ways to host a Management Review, listen to one of our We’d love to hear your views and comments about the ISO Show, here’s how: ● Share the ISO Show on T or ● Leave an honest review on or . Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each one. Subscribe to keep up-to-date with our latest episodes: | | | | |
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#206 Aligning Objectives with Strategic Direction
02/05/2025
#206 Aligning Objectives with Strategic Direction
The importance of setting key objectives can’t be understated. They help drive continual improvement and reflect a business’s key metrics for success in various areas. They are also a key aspect of implementing an ISO Standard, with most specifying a dedicated Objectives clause. While most businesses will have objectives irrespective of any ISO certification, many may fall into the familiar trappings of having separate objectives for different departments, which only serves to fragment your measurement of success. In this episode Ian discusses the importance of setting key business objectives, and why you should be aligning these with your strategic direction. You’ll learn · What is the Annex SL format and why was it introduced? · What is meant by ‘Strategic Direction’? · The importance of risks and opportunities in objective planning · Who are setting key business objectives important? · How can you align objectives with a businesses strategic direction? Resources · In this episode, we talk about: [02:05] Episode Summary – Ian discusses how to align objectives with the strategic direction of the business, and why it’s important to do so. [02:55] What is the Annex SL format and why was it introduced?: The Annex SL format refers to the standard 10 clause structure that we now see in most ISO Standards. Introduced back in 2015, it sought to address the issues with integrating multiple Standards, in addition to making them more accessible to every sector. Prior to 2015, many ISO standards were designed with specific sectors in mind, using terminology that would make sense to them, but perhaps not to others. The Annes SL format now uses the same language across all ISO’s, making It easy to integrate multiple ISO compliant Management Systems. [06:10] What is meant by the term Strategic Direction? Leadership: This is a term that appears in 5 times. We first see it in Clause 5 – Leadership, where it states: “Top management shall demonstrate leadership and commitment with respect to the management system by ensuring that the policy of objectives are established for the management system and are compatible with the context and strategic direction of the organisation.” This is where it’s made explicitly clear that leadership / management are responsible for ensuring the Management System aligns with the way their business runs, in addition to integrating it into existing processes. [07:05] What is meant by the term Strategic Direction? Management Review: It also appear in clause 9.3 Management Review, where it states: “Top management shall review the organisation system at planned intervals to ensure its continuing suitability adequacy, effectiveness and alignment with the strategic direction of the organisation.” Again, this reinforces the need for top management to be involved to ensure that the Management System is in alignment with their overall goals. [08:40] What is meant by the term Strategic Direction? Context of the Organisation: It also appears at the very start of the auditable clauses, in Clause 4 – Context of the organisation, where it states: “The organisation shall determine the external and internal issues which are relevant to its purpose and its strategic direction.” This involves looking at issues from a legal, technical, competitive, cultural and economic point of view, and many of these will be determined by top or broader management within the business. They ultimately have the most influence in how a Management System is built, therefore have the most influence on how the policies and objectives are created. [10:45] The importance of risks and opportunities in Objective planning – Clause 6 (Planning) is where we address risks and opportunities raised in clause 4. It states that ‘Objectives must be established at relevant functions, levels and processes.” For us at Blackmores, we directly relate the findings from a risks and opportunities assessment (such as a ), and link these to our objectives to try and minimise those risks. We also leverage the opportunities, by making them real tangible goals to work towards – seems obvious but we often see businesses missing the link between these exercises! [12:00] How can you set Objectives in alignment with Strategic Direction?: Many businesses now build their mission, values and strategic direction around sustainability and general ESG. When building a management system, you need to consider how it affects those sustainability / ESG goals, because that is essentially the context of your organisation. So, you’d need to consider: How does environmental performance, health & safety performance or legal compliance contribute to the success of the management system as a whole? You don’t have to be going for or for these things to matter, even a quality management system can contribute to sustainability goals. This can be through improving economic performance by reducing waste ect. Also, don’t be afraid to relate economic performance to your management system. If you have a turnover goal of X, mention that in your context documentation, and also consider how the management system can contribute to achieving that goal i.e. through processes, controls, monitoring and improvement activity. Also consider your client requirements, they may require an accident rate below X which can also be included in context documentation and can then be factored into your management system measures and objectives if need be to achieve that. [16:55] How do you establish your objectives? – First you must establish context, and that context must be relevant to the purpose and strategic direction of the business. The context setting must include those who understand that context, strategic direction and the purpose of the business, the risks and opportunities must be assessed in relation to that context, which in turn is already aligned with strategic direction. Finally the objectives must be set in relation to those risks and opportunities. It's all about having the right people to identify the relevant issues affecting the organisation, and setting concrete objectives in order to improve that. 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