Workforce Therapy Files
File 36: In this file of Workforce Therapy Files, the hosts spotlight Molley Ricketts, founder and CEO of Incipio Workforce Solutions, and explore her journey building a people-first recruiting firm. Molley shares how her early experiences shaped her belief that hiring should be intentional rather than transactional. The conversation dives into common hiring mistakes, including reactive recruiting and outdated job descriptions. They also unpack the real cost of bad hires and why culture alignment matters more than filling a seat quickly. Molley highlights the overlooked value of...
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File 35: Jason Heflin sits in the "hot seat" to share insights from his entrepreneurial journey, which began after he realized he was not wired for the repetitive nature of a corporate cubicle. The interview explores his core business philosophy of avoiding commoditization by prioritizing deep, long-term strategic partnerships over one-off product services. When asked about scaling a business, Jason highlights the importance of "stick-to-itiveness" and the risk-taking necessary to overcome the fear of failure. He admits that his greatest operational challenge was learning to embrace...
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File 34: In this episode of Workforce Therapy Files, Jamie Swaim, Molley Ricketts, and Jason Heflin take a rapid-fire approach to leadership and workplace culture, tackling common myths, hiring mistakes, and behaviors that quietly damage teams. The conversation highlights the importance of intentional leadership, emotional intelligence, and clear communication in building strong workplace cultures. From employer branding and onboarding gaps to AI in recruiting and CEO-level concerns, this episode delivers practical, real-world insights for leaders navigating today’s evolving workplace...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2025 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. Jamie and Molley were joined by Carol Schulte, Keynote Speaker and Founder of The Brāve Initiative. Dr. Brad Shuck also sat in for this interview. Carol shared her mission of empowering individuals to "get their brave on" by embracing their most authentic and vulnerable selves. She challenges HR professionals to create safe spaces where employees can bring their entire identity to their work,...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2025 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. Jason and Jamie were joined by Corina West, an HR Assistant for Grace Health in Corbin, Kentucky. Corina shared her insights on working for a comprehensive healthcare organization that provides family medicine, dentistry, and behavioral health services. Despite only being in her role for a little over a year, she is part of a small three-person team responsible for managing a large workforce of 465...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2025 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. Jason was joined by Sharlis Montgomery, the Learning and Development Manager at the global law firm Hogan Lovells. Sharlis shared how she supports over 2,500 non-lawyer staff members across the globe. With eight years at the firm, Sharlis focuses on upskilling "business teams" in areas like leadership and interpersonal skills through a structured competency framework. She is passionate about making...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2025 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. Jamie and Molley were joined by Boutaïna Ettaki, a Talent Acquisition Specialist at Seven Counties Services. She shared her enthusiasm for working in the nonprofit sector, where she finds fulfillment in supporting her community and underserved populations. Drawing on her professional background in sales, she views recruiting as a process of "shopping for people" by identifying specific skills to...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2025 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. Cooper Tyra, an Account Executive at Houchins Insurance Group, sat down with Jason Heflin and Molley Ricketts to explain how his firm serves as the "risk subsidiary" for a massive employee-owned conglomerate. Based in their Louisville satellite office, Cooper works as a single point of contact for private equity firms and manufacturing companies, handling both property and casualty insurance and employee...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2025 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. Jessica Vogt, a Corporate Recruiter and culture specialist for Louisville-based Aegis Sortation, sat down with Jamie Swaim to discuss how her company is modernizing the freight and parcel industry through automation. Aegis works with major distribution centers like UPS, FedEx, and Amazon, bringing innovative technology to outdated conveyor sorting systems to make logistics more seamless. In addition to...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2025 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. Jamie Swaim and Molley Rickets sat down with Donald Woolridge, Sr., and Paul Bolton from the Leadership Louisville Center to discuss their training and development arm, Leading Better, which takes leadership insights traditionally reserved for small cohorts and brings them to the "many". Donald shared how leadership is fundamentally universal and timeless, centered on interpersonal connectivity, empathy,...
info_outlineFile 2: As we open today’s file, we’re going to begin a 3-part series dealing with workforce issues related to Process, Packages and People. In part 1, we’ll focus on Process. Jamie, Molley and Jason are ready to help identify some of the issues employers have in effectively recruiting, hiring and retaining good talent.
Do Companies Actively Plan for the Hiring Process?
Molley begins by asking this question of the group. This is particularly relevant when an employer is hiring a larger number of people. Jamie’s response is that often companies plan for work, but necessarily workers. Jason comments that when things get busy, companies tend to scrap the process and just try to fill the jobs.
The plan is a key component of a hiring initiative. But as Molley observes, the plan is going to be different based on the number of employees the company is trying to hire. How you need to accomplish the objective has changed dramatically. Traditional methodologies aren’t as successful as they were in the past. This is where many employers struggle.
This Is the Way We’ve Always Done It
That mindset is a limiting factor in today’s environment. Jason points out that while it may not be the most effective approach, today, many companies aren’t sure how to change their recruiting and hiring process. Unfortunately, rather than taking the time to investigate, modify and improve the process, some companies just decide, “We’re just going to go with what we know.” It’s no wonder the results often fall short of expectations.
Molley’s been involved in recruiting for the past 28 years. Things have obviously changed. Jamie comments that she found her first HR position in the newspaper. How effective are newspaper ads today? Not nearly as good as they were years ago. The market and how prospective new hires look for job openings has evolved.
Molley explained how, in the early 2000s, she took a different approach to helping a company recruit a large number of applicants for experienced IT roles. The success of her non-traditional approach proved her assumption that you have to be creative in your process, if you want it to work. The “post and pray” approach is a sub-optimal way to tackle workforce development objectives.
Jamie remembers how in the 1990s, she noticed a company using video to showcase the work environment, so prospective applicants could get a sense for what a normal day would look like. It was innovative back then, however, there are companies who still are relying on the “This is the way we’ve always done it” strategy. They’re losing out on some of the best candidates.
Jason notes that the balance of power has changed. It used to be that the employer had all of the leverage, but that’s not the case anymore. There are more open jobs that people who want to work. It’s a big shift and those talent acquisition teams that are willing to recognize it, have a tactical advantage over those who are still looking in the rear-view mirror. You have to adapt your process.
You’re Recruiting from 5 Different Generations
The group recognizes that depending on the role, you have the opportunity to recruit from literally 5 different generations, but they all gather and process information differently. This poses a significant challenge to employers who are anchored to a single, outdated process.
Fun with Labor Planning
Jamie discusses how a company she previously worked for held daily, labor planning meetings during peak production. The HR team focused on KPIs to help them understand their current tracking, as well as identifying potential gaps or shortfalls. They would then model their future performance in an attempt to forecast potential issues. For instance, how would the opening day of hunting season impact their attendance? They considered the UK and UofL athletic calendars and many other factors that could stress the production capability of the operation. This is a process that helped to highlight the need for contingency planning to minimize disruptions.
While this seems fine for a larger company, it may be even more critical for a smaller operation. The larger employer had a pool of employees to fill in, as needed. That “luxury” may not exist for a smaller company. Developing a more detailed workforce planning process may be the key to helping the business to deliver on commitments to its customers, as well as to the bottom line.
Culture Has a Role
Jason points out that beyond the company’s culture, the culture of your workforce also has a role in an effective process. It’s not uncommon for a diverse workforce to have specific needs/desires for time off during various holiday and religious seasons. They have valid factors in their personal lives the company should consider in its resource planning.
Attrition Is Part of the Algebra
This is an interesting, and often frustrating, part of the planning process. While math is based on truths (e.g. 2 + 2 = 4), factors impacting your ability to effectively manage the workforce levels are always changing.
Jamie is a firm believer in the adage, “Start with your customer and work your way backwards.” Some companies have pronounced peaks and valleys that impact the number of employees you need to have at any given time. For others, however, the business flow may be more steady. with a slower burn. She recommends including your particular workforce demand in your annual planning and review it in your on-going monthly discussions. You want to ensure you’re achieving your monthly goals, or identifying factors preventing your organization from doing so. This on-going monitoring will enable you to spot issues quicker, allowing contingency plans to be implemented to limit significant problems. Once again, it’s a process.
Molley discusses how pausing to consider the drivers of why you need to hire can also provide valuable insights. Often companies assume they only need to focus on the hiring process due to business growth and expansion. Sure, you can forecast workforce needs based solely on this, but what about attrition? Don’t fail to consider your need to hire additional employees to address those you’re going to lose through attrition. If you’re not careful, you’ll overlook the need to budget for the recruiting, hiring and retention of these addition employees.
It’s important to include regular analysis of the workforce development actual expense compared to the budgeted expense. If you have a smaller organization, your planning needs to be even more thorough.
Succession Planning
This process can be complicated, especially when you realize it’s not simply for production-level employees, but also for continuity planning within your management and senior management.
The group discusses the often-overlooked risk of “that single point of failure.” This refers to the accumulated knowledge a specific employee may have, but never gets documented. When this person leaves, production and/or other important roles can be significantly impacted.
Molley describes a situation in which a manufacturing employee had spent 30-years on the line. A couple of times each month, he replaced a piece of duct tape that helped to keep the line moving. He left and when the problem arose, no one knew what was causing it, nor how to quickly fix it. Production was disrupted.
One solution would have been to have someone stand beside him to document the specific processes and the unwritten tips, steps and quick fixes that he knew about. How much smoother would that assembly line’s production have run, had that single point of failure been identified in advance? Realize, most operations have many of this informal knowledge floating around.
Molley shares another story about a 35-year employee who notified his company that he was going to retire in 2 years. No training manual for his job existed. This would have been an excellent opportunity to have someone shadow him, take pictures of specific actions and speak to him about why that step was necessary to the process. The training manual would easily be created. As Jamie points out, a well-developed knowledge transfer should be part of the process.
Jason’s company does a lot of video training. They create videos using the actual employees, when possible. There are video tools and screen sharing tool that can be used to show a specific process. This style of training is great for visual learners and those who may not read as well.
What’s the Proper Way to Develop a Budget for Staffing?
Jason comments that while you need to consider what you will have to spent, it’s also important to consider what you’d lose if you didn’t spend the money on it. Molley found research indicating it costs $10,050 to recruit a mid-level or lower employee and to keep them for 60 days. This doesn’t factor in the cost of a failed hire or other opportunity costs.
Of course, you can spend less, but you have to break down the process and decide what will work best for your specific situation. Unfortunately, as Molley’s experience has shown, very few companies tend to adequately budget for a phase of new hiring.
Jason discusses the challenge of finding “the right employee” who gets it, wants it and has the capacity to do the job.
Jamie comments on the key question of whether your organization is prepared to recruit. There are often additional individuals, beyond just the recruiters involved in the process. Are they prepared to ask the appropriate and legal questions? It’s an important consideration. Compliance is there to protect the company, especially from legal exposure.
Molley and Jamie point out that many of the recruiters haven’t performed the actual job, so they aren’t able to fully address questions that may arise. This can be a flaw in the process. If the recruiters could have some experience doing the job or observing the job, it can help them to set the proper expectations during the interview.
It’s important that numerous stakeholders are involved in the overall plan. It’s the best way to ensure your recruiting and human resources teams know the plan, work the plan and nail the plan. If you’re asking, “Why can’t I find good people?” one answer is process.
Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals?
We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions:
· Jamie Swaim, SPHR – www.ParcelKnows.com
· Molley Ricketts – www.IncipioWorks.com
· Jason Heflin – www.CrowdSouth.com
We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening!