Workforce Therapy Files

This podcast is designed for business leaders and human resource professionals who are challenged with expanding their workforce. Workforce Therapy Files, an Employer Solutions Podcast, is hosted by 3 separate business owners who operate in the staffing and human resources space. They'll provide perspectives, tips and advice (along with a little humor) to help you prepare for and manage your workforce challenges. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: • Jamie Swaim, SPHR – www.ParcelKnows.com • Molley Ricketts – www.IncipioWorks.com • Jason Heflin – www.CrowdSouth.com We hope you find it insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening!

Interview with Angela McCorkle Buckler, Parcel LLC – 2024 KY SHRM 12/20/2024

Interview with David Irwin, President of gThankYou - 2024 KY SHRM 12/17/2024

Interview with Wendy Hall of USI Insurance Services - 2024 KY SHRM 12/10/2024

Interview with Trevor Collins of SHARE Mobility - 2024 KY SHRM 12/03/2024

Interview with Catherine Lanier of the Murray Bank - 2024 KY SHRM 11/26/2024

Interview with Tonia Dennison of Stupp Bridge Company - 2024 KY SHRM 11/19/2024

Interview with Samantha Jackson of Halton Company – 2024 KY SHRM 11/12/2024

Interview with Dr. Jordyne Carmack of AuthentiLead - 2024 KY SHRM 11/05/2024

Interview with Cassandra Faurote of Total Reward Solutions - 2024 KY SHRM 10/29/2024

Interview with Caroline Francis, UK Alumni Career Services - 2024 KY SHRM 10/22/2024

Interview with Emily Sayers Executive Director of Workforce Solutions for KCTCS - 2024 KY SHRM 10/15/2024

Interview with Matt Murry of Touchdown Business Solutions - 2024 KY SHRM 10/08/2024

Interview with Jeni Beck and Susan Hildebrand from the University of Louisville - 2024 KY SHRM 10/01/2024

Interview with Eric Del Valle, Vaco Associate Director - 2024 KY SHRM 09/24/2024

Interview with Rawleigh Richardson, Sr., HumanKind Consulting 09/17/2024

Interview with Brad Long - 2024 KY SHRM 09/09/2024

Interview with Kirsten Homer - 2024 KY SHRM 09/03/2024

Interview with Andrea Flanders - 2024 KY SHRM 08/30/2024

The 5 Currencies of Work with Dr. Brad Shuck 05/23/2024

The 5 Currencies of Work with Dr. Brad Shuck File 16: In today’s file, the team welcomes Dr. Brad Shuck to the podcast. He is a researcher at the University of Louisville and a co-founder of OrgVitals, a data analytics platform. The team has mentioned OrgVitals in previous episodes. According to the website, it’s “the only solution that correlates and tracks organizational performance to employee wellbeing and culture, and then maps this across your organization for you to see the impact across relationships.” It’s going to be a terrific discussion! What is OrgVitals? Brad co-founded OrgVitals with . They take data that may have been overlooked/ignored and they bring life to it. The team helps leaders proactively put data into action. Brad developed some intellectual property assets as a researcher at the University of Louisville. Some of that IP is integral to the capabilities OrgVitals offers. They are exploring ways to leverage AI along with the other data-driven insights provided to clients of . What Size Company Would Use OrgVitals? The target market is evolving. Initially, they worked with small to medium-size companies. However, over the past 12 months, they’ve also begun working with enterprise-size companies. The size of the client’s organization is fairly agnostic when it comes to the opportunity and value it can derive from leveraging the innovative approaches to insights provided by OrgVitals and its data analytics. They are literally creating “the future of work.” What Is Happening in the Workplace Today? Molley asks a broad question. It’s one Brad talks about a lot these days. There are significant trends and changes impacting the workplace, some might say, like never before. As the evolution picks up speed, it can be unsettling for some leaders and their respective organizations. In reality, there’s no going back. It’s time to adapt. As Brad comments, “There’s really no putting toothpaste back into the tube.” The key is to recognize what’s happened or changed and then to take action on those changes. Jason aligns Brad’s explanation with how we deal with other situations. Namely, we need to focus on being present, here and now. Molley comments on how leaders may wish some things could return to the relative calm of previous cycles, and yet enjoy the innovation and forward thinking of today. It requires a fine balance if leaders are going to continue to grow themselves and those who make up their organizations. Dealing with Advancements in AI Brad is excited by the changes and possibilities new technology is opening up for us. He admits there needs to be a define ethics around the use of artificial intelligence, as well as some limits put into place as safeguards. Nonetheless, he disagrees with those who assume AI will eventually put them out of a job. As an example, Brad relates a conversation with another tech pioneer. Think of the efficiencies we’ve benefitted from due to the invention of the assembly line. It’s produced stronger numbers, while ensuring the price to the consumer was much less than it would be, if cars were still hand-crafted. People were worried about job-displacement when assembly lines were first introduced. In reality the demand for automobiles surged, leading to an increased demand for workers and those with more advanced skills. Brad sees the same types of trends developing, as AI begins to take hold. In his opinion, it’s going to be a terrific revolution. The group discusses how AI will foster more time for focusing on communication and interpersonal connections, rather than focusing on mundane tasks. It’ll provide more time for developing relationships. How We Communicate Will Change Brad explains how he sees AI impacting how we communicate. Just watch how differently your children communicate with their friends compared to how you did it years ago. The adoption of technology has significantly impacted communication styles and capabilities. The world is much different today. It’s important that we are willing to embrace the changes. We need to help others to learn/develop that skill, as we move toward a more connected future. The Importance of Wellness & the Currencies of Work Jamie transitions into Brad’s views about how wellness impacts your overall health. The OrgVitals team has written on this topic. She asks Brad to describe what he views as the . They aren’t what we might traditionally imagine. Brad defines a currency of work as something that is moving the needle on motivation, engagement, creativity and innovation. It’s a driving force, in the workplace, right now. OrgVitals has compiled comments and observations from thousands of people who are describing their experiences at work. This data has been distilled down and cross-referenced with other data Brad’s done as a University of Louisville researcher and with colleagues. Adequate pay is still an important factor. This is one of the primary issues a company needs to solve relative to its workforce. Without a solution, people will not lean-in. 5 Other Currencies Beyond Adequate Pay That Are Moving People Forward The first currency is stability. Most of our current environments probably feel unstable right now. Our political, financial and global environments are unstable. Employees are seeking a place where there’s a sense of stability. This might relate to simply knowing what’s expected of them at work. Without that, people can’t begin to understand the resources they need to do the work for which they will eventually be evaluated. Brad describes a recent meeting with an executive team from a Fortune 50 company. A newly promoted executive entered the room (literally after having been promoted minutes earlier). There were obvious indications she was unclear regarding expectations and other vital factors. It was a bit uncomfortable for the newly promoted executive, as well as for Brad. It’s important to understand the “artifacts of stability.” Where are the communication channels? How does an individual identify those things on which they can depend, within an organization that is swimming in instability? It’s incumbent upon leaders to find a way to instill some sense of stability, for the benefit of those who are committed to the overall success of the organization. The second currency is flexibility. Managing return to work is a big issue for many employers. Setting the right policy seems to be a challenge. Brad describes flexibility in terms of having agency in one’s work. Does the individual feel even a small sense of control (e.g. agency) in how the work gets done and where it gets performed? Brad recommends rather than talking about where the work gets done (regardless of whether it’s remote/hybrid/etc.), instead we should be talking about accessibility and agency. Where we can afford that for employees, we should do that. Adopting this position can be a competitive advantage for organizations. Jamie adds perspectives about how she coaches organizations to start with their customers and work backwards. Open your eyes to the fact that each role has a customer-relationship with the others in the organization. Do you understand your “customer’s” expectations? If you can meet the expectations from where you want to work, maybe you’re in the right location (home/hybrid/etc.). The risk to flexibility is boundaries. Organizations need to embrace the fact that not everyone is on the clock, all of the time. Jamie and Jason describe an approach to staffing at retailers. The employees listed the times they’d be available, and then the manager would open up the gap-hours to other employees who would be willing to work at those times. The third currency of work is integration. Brad relates this to the various areas of life that have not traditionally be included in the value proposition of work; but now are. It’s impacting how employees are thinking about their work. These areas include our health and wellbeing, our families, our community engagement and how we connect with people outside of work. Jason describes how his company operates remotely, across 8 cities. When asked how he knows what his employees are doing, the answer is simple. If the job gets done, then they must be doing what they needed to do. It’s about client satisfaction and results. Our work-styles have changed. That change, however, opens up opportunities to accomplish other important tasks related to our personal lives. Brad comments about how people are now asking whether it’s worth it to forego opportunities such as going the gym or coaching soccer? Is there a way to extend the timeline to enable people to make different decisions about the traditional value proposition? It’s something leaders are being forced to grapple with on a macro basis. The fourth currency is purpose. The importance of purpose has taken on a more critical factor. Meaningless tasks are being rejected. It’s led to the increase in quiet quitting and minimal Mondays. Brad observes that the idea of purpose is a north star for many people in the workplace and in other areas of their lives. Expecting people to just do the job because they should, isn’t enough. Supervisors, managers and leaders need to focus on explaining how the work is impacting the overall objectives of the organization. Interestingly, Brad says it’s not so much as explaining the meaning as it is in not killing the meaning. He uses the example of a new teacher on her/his first day verses that same teacher 5 years later. At the outset, the individual saw clear meaning in the work. Over time, unfortunately, that meaning gets diminished or crushed. If you want to instill a sense of purpose in someone’s work, you have to tell them about the positive impact they’re making. Remind them of it as often as possible. Jamie adds that this is a good reminder for managers who need to refocus their teams on the common objective/goal/benefit of what they are tasked to achieve. The fifth currency of work is belonging. Brad’s wife is quoted as saying, “We can do hard things together.” That sentiment is much different if we feel isolated or alone. That’s when doing hard things becomes a much harder task. If we can develop a community of others who have proven they have our backs, we can make it through much more difficult situations, together. How can an employer foster a sense of belonging? Jamie recommends listening to dealing with onboarding. Another recommendation is to focus less on items around the workplace, such as a ping pong table. Instead demonstrate that you understand your team has lives outside of work. Resist the temptation to try to rank the importance of the 5 currencies of work. Rather, begin to realize that they are factors in shaping how work is being experienced. Brad returns to Jason’s question about fostering a sense of belonging. His recommendation is to have a meal with individuals in your organization. Breaking bread and sharing time with people can be a game changer. The Bonus Currency of Work There is a sixth currency that Brad sees emerging in the workplace. It’s the area of wellbeing. New research indicates suggests work can exacerbate your risk for long-term, chronic diseases. It’s not surprising. Brad describes a 3-year project that compiled and analyzed data to show how someone’s risk is either elevated or decreased, based on biological data combined with social science data around the workplace experience. The findings are groundbreaking. In closing, Molley comments on the reality that being a business owner or C-suite leader are the loneliest roles in a company. The solution is to surround yourself with people whom you trust to be vulnerably honest with you. Without them, you’ll fail because you can’t do this on your own. We’d like to thank Dr. Brad Shuck for joining us on the Workforce Therapy Files podcast. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/31432062

The 5 Golden Rules of Recruiting Campaigns 04/24/2024

The 5 Golden Rules of Recruiting Campaigns File 15: In today’s file, the team is going to focus on how to plan and execute effective recruiting campaigns. There are 5 Golden Rules to consider, before you begin. Molley begins with some stats about the podcast and the growth it’s experiencing. Interestingly, most podcasts that launch never actually make it beyond 10 episodes. It’s may sound surprising, but it’s true. The Workforce Therapy Files podcast is on File 15 and continues to build steam. Jason transitions us into the main topic of the 5 Golden Rules of Recruiting Campaigns. The First Golden Rule – Creating a Plan Beyond simply creating a plan, someone needs to own and manage the plan for the organization. When the plan achieves its expected results, Jamie points out that it’s important to let your team and the organization know it worked. Celebrating key milestones and successes is vital when it comes to encouraging people to continue with the plan. The Second Golden Rule – Do Surveys If you don’t have a plan, you can’t execute it. Molley describes a discovery process that’s needed to ensure you understand what you know, as well as what you don’t. It comes down to communication. Consider implementing a survey and/or small focus groups. Involve key constituencies of people who are performing a certain activity, along with others who have decided to no longer participate. You want to learn about the public and the internal perception of your organization. The next step is to ask the public and your internal workforce, “What do you think of our brand, as an organization?” Are there specific things people enjoy or don’t enjoy about interacting with your organization? However, be prepared for candid feedback. It may not always be pleasant, but it’s important to get a reality check. is a great tactic. Monitor and measure your social media channels for feedback. This should also be extended to the various review channels where people rate their satisfaction with your organization. You can purchase tools to automate this process. Jason’s company, CrowdSouth, does this for clients. Whichever way you decide to monitor the data, you need to have someone appointed to be responsible for collecting, interpreting and reporting the findings on a regular basis. Jamie points out the convergence of customer feedback and employee feedback. Each impacts the other. If the marketing team is exclusively focused on customers, there can be a gap between what employees are communicating in the feedback loop. The Third Golden Rule – Utilize Your Brand Ambassadors Jamie encourages companies to pay attention to your brand ambassadors. These are the people working in your organization. Employee engagement surveys and employee sentiment surveys provide extremely valuable insights. Reviewing exit interview data is also helpful. The exiting employee is going to give direct feedback about working there. The Fourth Golden Rule – Publicize Your Positive Actions Once you’ve collected and synthesized the data, you can apply it to your employer-branding campaign. Jason cautions that you shouldn’t expect to necessarily acquire new customers or make a 40% jump in new hires, solely as a result of that campaign. The goal is to enable you to make an adjustment by shining a light on your business and who you are. It’s an opportunity for you to highlight members and departments within the organization who are having a positive impact on the company, it’s customers and the community. Resist the temptation as leaders to try to step into the spotlight and overshadowing others. The above-described process will help to prime the pump for the next step, which is a workforce marketing campaign. This is where you’ll actually focus on driving prospective candidates to your talent team; your recruiters and staffers. You’ve addressed some of the deficiencies, now you’re ready to encourage people to take action. Now, you’re prepared to begin a recruiting campaign. This may be to get someone to complete an application. Maybe you’re just looking to generate leads for your talent team to follow-up. Define your desired outcome(s) and implement the necessary activities to achieve them. Molley raises a concern that when organization expend the effort needed begin building a funnel for talent acquisition, but fails to build the internal capacity to manage the incoming flow of applicants and/or leads. It won’t turn out well. If a candidate were to apply for a position, but never hears back from the company, it’s a significant failure. You’ve now wasted significant money and effort. Even if the person didn’t meet the qualifications, a decline letter should be sent. However, that letter should include ways to encourage the person to continue to look for opportunities within the organization. Jamie explains how she’s take the step to pause a campaign to allow her to consider and follow-up with the leads she’s received. It’s a chance to provide feedback and to direct those interested parties to other organizational resources to maintain their engagement, if not for this particular role, possibly from some future role. Then, she turned the campaign on again and proceeded to continue fielding other candidates. Remember the importance of the candidate experience for both the ones you intend to hire, as well as the ones whom you might hire down the road. Understand that it’s okay to pivot. Molley explains it an essential part of successful workforce advertising campaigns. Resist the temptation to stay locked into the “this is how we’ve always done it” mentality. Jamie encourages you to pivot based on some of the feedback you received in from the listening campaign. Maybe you fixed an issue that had been commented about by employees, on public forums. She uses the example of a work environment that gets uncomfortably hot. If your company has installed fans or taken other steps to mitigate the heat, consider making that known. It’s a way to demonstrate the company cares about its employees and lets the public know this is a good place to work, by how you responded to the concerns of the company’s workforce. Jason builds on this point by giving an example of how an organization can proactively communicate to the public what the issue was and how the issue was resolved. Now, you have a reason to tell a great story that positively impacts the organization’s brand image. The Fifth Golden Rule – Build Your Pipeline Jason discusses Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS). It’s not always a simple platform. Some large organizations have legacy systems that are required to be used, regardless of the flexibility or functional requirements. Jamie comments on this topic from an HR compliance perspective. While the use of an ATS provides documentation for the company related to its recruiting activities. However, it’s not a requirement that everyone go through the ATS. As long as you have a way to document who has applied, how you marketed for open positions and whether they received a similar consideration. The challenge occurs where you’re using leads and require some type of assessment. The lead needs to go through the activities required to indicate someone is a qualified applicant. Your candidates must go through the same application process. Anyone who has expressed interest in your roles should be considered a candidate. How companies approach the process might seem like extra work, but maybe it’s simply “different” work. Jamie refers to a previous episode in which the team discussed how might uncover candidates who would function well in specific roles. You’re either going to be weeding out unqualified leads or chasing definitely qualified leads. It’s still work, but in this case, it’s different. So, as Jason explains, you can often utilize a lead generation campaign to generate interest, before asking those individuals to submit the formal application. You might have a better chance of converting the lead to an applicant. Molley is seeing a situation in which the companies are filling all of their open positions. That’s terrific news. Now, it’s time for managers to shift focus. You may still be getting inquiries from interested candidates, but you don’t have an open position. You still need to build a talent pool pipeline. Are there people who could fill the pipeline, even though they might not be immediately available? You should develop a communication process to maintain their interest and engagement during the gap/delay. Environment and rewards structure are important factors in an individual’s decision to pursue a position with a particular company. It’s also a factor while they’re actively employee with your organization. covered some of these issues more in-depth. You’ll be able to access related information in Files 8 and 9 via links embedded the show notes for File 10. If you need help with pieces of your campaign, or need a team to manage the entire process, we are here to help. Check out our contact information, provided below. We’d enjoy the opportunity to engage with you and your organization. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/30969603

Finding Overlooked Candidates to Fill Your Roles 03/27/2024

Finding Overlooked Candidates to Fill Your Roles File 14: In today’s file, the team discusses ways to overcome workforce gaps by attracting workers from non-traditional sources. As the needs of your organization evolves, finding enough of the right candidates may be more challenging than it needs to be. This file will offer some ways for you to identify and engage the marketplace. Jamie begins with a question/comment from a listener who brings up the point that there are more job openings than there are people to fill them in Kentucky (and other states). In particular, the listener mentioned the metals companies which offer difficult, entry-level rolls. The companies will likely relocate operations if they can’t find enough workers. Jamie comments that even in healthcare, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to find qualified workers. This gap between available jobs and applicants to fill those jobs isn’t going to go away anytime soon. It’s important to realize many of the previous episodes on attraction and retention should be considered “table stakes.” Basically, they get you in the game. So, now what? Overcoming Language Barriers Jason describes a scenario in which one of his clients was trying to hire quite a few welders. The local market didn’t have enough people with that skill or who were willing to get trained in welding. One of Jason’s connections let him know that a recent group of immigrants (i.e. new Americans) actually had experience welding and more who would be willing to learn. The challenge was the perceived language barrier. None of them spoke English. The company quickly realized the expense of hiring a translator would be well worth it, given the project could commence. This was an unanticipated cost, but it enabled an innovative solution to the problem. Jamie sees value in having an actual translator, instead of simply relying upon someone in the group to take on the responsibility of translating for the other employees. It’s a meaningful strategy because it opens the door to an overlooked population of potential new candidates for your open roles. In Jason’s case, it involved new Americans with limited English language capabilities. Now, expand a similar mode of thinking to enable your organization to recruit people with hearing impairments or sight limitations. This could even expand to those with other types of disabilities. Molley discusses a client with locations in cities across the country. They’ve realized that Louisville presents specific recruiting challenges they don’t typically experience in other cities. They tend to have fewer applicants and higher attendance issues. One major difference is that the client has partnered with the Hispanic Coalition in these other locations, which is helping to provide a larger pool of applicants for the available positions. In many of those particular areas, groups of Hispanic employees live together, ride to work together and report together. It seems to promote a strong, working environment with fewer attendance issues. The key is to build out partnerships to open the doors to other people groups. Jason describes how one of his contacts works to identify and hire people with autism; many of whom might have difficulties searching for, applying for and interviewing for open roles within an organization. In the previous file, the group discussed for your open positions. Certain functions would be perfect for particular individuals, but identifying and engaging them might be challenging. This new approach is another way to find solutions to workforce challenges. Molley explains that the US is 600,000 workers short when it comes to filling construction jobs. Part of the reason may be related to how employers traditionally approach the hiring process. Sometimes, you have to think out of the box. There are opportunities to potentially automate some job functions, but the vast majority will still require a human being to perform. Small to mid-sized companies may not be able to afford the technology or AI to automate. The option of finding additional candidates is still the most likely resolution. However, how the company chooses to do that (and where) offers a number of viable possibilities. Essential Workers The importance and focus on this group of employees came to a head during the pandemic. Organizations need to build a success plan for essential workers. Help them to understand the “why” behind the roles they perform and how important those individuals are to the organization. It’s about more than just the paycheck. Strive to create a sense of belonging and community. Jamie suggests building a strategy around “workforce readiness” is a reactive approach. It’s focused on the immediate need, rather than the long-term. If you can plan for gaps, you’ll have a much more focused resolution path when the problem occurs. As Jason comments, you’re going to have a “now problem” forever, unless you start planning of the future. Think of how UPS and even the US military understand the typical duration of the people who join those operations. They set up opportunities for individuals to learn and to grow, even though they may not ultimately stay with the organization. By being prepared for the turnover, they can take proactive steps to fill those gaps. In the meantime, it was a win-win for both the individual and the organization. Molley mentions the roughly 100,000 person shortfall in military staffing. It’s quite possible people don’t understand the “why” behind what the military has to offer. Sure, the paycheck seems low, but you have to take into consideration the housing benefits, healthcare benefits, training, etc. There’s actually a lot being offered for the commitment being asked. Jason point out that there’s also a responsibility on the side of the individual to be willing to start out at a lower role and work himself for herself up the ladder. The military is a very viable option for future leaders and/or those who are looking to develop specific skills. How Strong is Your Alumni Network? If you’re anticipating a gap in your workforce development, consider reaching out to previous employees. There may be individuals who would consider coming back on a part-time or more . Those individuals offer a wealth of experience and knowledge. Some organizations may currently have 5 generations working for them. How to you develop ways for those individuals to interact and for the younger generations to absorb your organizations “”? It’s a challenge worth taking on, based on the benefits it can yield. Can you develop a mentor program? Is there an option for a PRN-type arrangement enabling previous employees to fill-in for a specific duration? There are certain types of creative, non-traditional work arrangements you might need to consider, especially during your peak season. Consider an Outside Resource When you’re in the trenches, you may not be able to look outside the box for these types of solutions. That’s when bringing in an outside resource could definitely assist in resolving the issue(s). If that’s not possible consider taking your team off-site for some creative ideation around those things you don’t do as an organization. Jamie recommends you incorporate the following: What work has to get done? What population do we currently have that can do the work (in-house)? What changes do we need to make, in the roles we have, to be able to get that work accomplished? The above analysis may help you to see if the job responsibilities are still properly allocated/grouped. You may be able to reassign part of the task (or tasks) to someone else, such as someone that doesn’t necessarily have to have a bachelor’s degree. You may be able to train that other person, so that the essential work is getting done. As leaders, don’t assume you know the answers. Be confident enough to ask the team. The current job description may not be as relevant today as it once was. Roles evolve. It may be a step in helping you to maximize workforce utilization to achieve the larger goals of the organization. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/30563688

Walking the Tightrope of Talent Attraction 03/20/2024

Walking the Tightrope of Talent Attraction File 13: In today’s file, the team focuses on the topic of talent attraction. The environment has evolved and so has the way successful companies plan for success as it relates to recruiting and staffing their organizations. Remember, there are compliance issues you should consider when promoting your job openings. Are you ready to compete for your next, new hire? Look How Far We’ve Come Molley begins by describing how a call center she worked for attracted candidates, back in the day. They posted openings in the Help Wanted section of the newspaper. The eye-catching headlines usually included, “Immediate Opening” or “Interview and Hire in the Same Day.” It was fairly bland, but that’s how it was done. Jamie recalls how a company bought an attendance list from a conference, mailed 500 postcards about job openings…and didn’t receive a single response. Lately, companies have begun using billboards, which Jason points out are difficult to measure from a lead generation perspective. Jamie had a client who decided to recruit from a college job fair. Most of the people she spoke to didn’t have the experience or even the right majors to qualify them for the openings. Many of the people who stopped by weren’t all that interested to begin with, but thought they’d give it a whirl. The entire day was a bust. From a marketing standpoint, Jason comments that the company may not have been that recognizable from a branding standpoint. Did the company’s logo and tagline provide enough information to generate interest from the pool of students attending the event? Where Does Talent Come from and How Do You Attract It? Molley comments that many companies struggle with these 2 points. There are misconceptions surrounding how companies could be more successful in these areas. There are so many platforms that impact how the company and the individual roles are perceived. For this and other reasons, . With the advent of better resources, such as your computer or smartphone, are newspapers really the most effective place to market your job openings? Jason notes that many newspapers are slowly launching digital versions, which can provide advantages over traditional, print versions. Nonetheless, it’s probably too late. Social media is becoming a viable resource for companies who want to promote job openings (i.e. Facebook and the other Meta channels, Twitter or “X”, LinkedIn, etc.). The traditional, online job boards such as , , , and have evolved as viable options. Still, Jason offers that rather than waiting for candidates to find you, you need to actively seek them. Molley agrees, especially in this market. It’s important to understand the typical audience, as well as user intent, on the various social media channels. For instance, you might not spend a lot of time posting for C-suite candidates on Facebook, but LinkedIn would make sense. Even more importantly when dealing with executive roles, you need to leverage various networks. Targeted marketing for specific roles is ever-changing. You’ll need to be ready to adapt your approach. If you have a plan for successfully hiring a candidate(s), you’ll be better equipped to achieve your objective. Filing a Position involves Targeting the Right Candidates Jason discusses how they begin by working with companies to build out candidate personas. While compliance is a significant concern for how you target your clients, there are permissible ways to wade into these waters. Meta enables you to target using age, gender and various micro-categories. Examples include interests such as gaming, live events, reading, movies, family and relationships. There are selectors including dating, marriage, motherhood, parenting, fitness & wellness, food and drink and many more. You can use these to build personas around what you’re specifically targeting. Google enables you to target age, gender, parental status, household income and more criteria. From an HR compliance perspective, there are times when these can be helpful. Recognize first, that what we’ve learned in the past are not based in what’s actually required. Just because you can, doesn’t necessarily mean you should. Be Mindful of the EEOC Requirements Jamie suggests you consult with the government requirements, or contact this team for advice. The site is extremely helpful. Understand that you’re not able to discriminate against protected classes in your practices. It’s best to cast a wide net, including the utilization of various job boards. Keep in mind that in reviewing your organization’s demographics, are there opportunities to bolster under-represented demographics, especially for your specific locations and the type of work to be performed? Is your organization required to have an affirmative action program? If so, you’ll need to understand what market exists in the areas you’re placing you job openings. You’ll need to analyze your current organizational demographics. Can you identify existing gaps? If so, you actually should do targeted marketing, using the available targeting categories Jason described. Understand, you cannot use that as a restriction. In other words, you can’t say, “We’re only going to hire females” or other types of limitations. You want proactively attract individuals, rather than discriminating against certain individuals. Jason cautions employers not to simply rely on specific targeting criteria, simply because they’re available to be used in a targeting strategy for your online ad. This also involves an over-reliance on your third-party vendors, as well as your internal marketing team. They don’t necessarily understand the rules. Jamie warns that you need to be aware of your actual motivations. It might be argued that you’re actually unfairly, or unjustly, targeting specific demographic personas (either on purpose or not). Jason mentions that it’s possible to exclude certain demographics or geographic areas, which also can lead to problems for the organization. Using interests and similar targeting criteria can be extremely helpful. Jamie uses an example of a company targeting “LEGOs” to generate potential candidates for complex assembly work. Jason describes how selecting interests in “adjacent categories” can be a strategic way to attract qualified candidates. For instance, if you’re trying to sell fancy suits, targeting the term “yachts” would be an adjacent category. There are creative ways to utilize available categories to help you to achieve your hiring goals. It’s a good idea to question why you shouldn’t use the categories you just chose? It’s a simple way to check to determine if there’s a potential problem with the approach you’re about to implement. Beware of unintended consequences. Molley returns to the importance of actually having a plan to develop and support your strategies. Spending time trying to with your organization is time well-spent. Relying solely on the feedback you receive during exit interviews isn’t your only option. By canvasing the employees who continue to return to their jobs will help you to better develop a strategy and plan around where you need to be, how you need to be and what you need to be doing to attract the right talent. The old ways of attracting talent are less effective today. Allocating the Proper Budget for Effective Recruiting Jamie speaks from experience when she comments that companies often under-resource the recruiting team to achieve the objectives they’ve been given. Where should you invest your funds, time and energy based on what you have available? Molley strongly advocates for an employee referral program. Jason recommends utilizing Google search ads to identify people who are looking for your specific job or role, instead of casting a broader net. He agrees with the focus on referrals. From an HR compliance perspective, Jamie understands why ads need to be written a certain way, but by harnessing the power of targeting criteria, it can positively impact the effectiveness of your ad. Molley builds on this comment by encouraging you to be consistent in your deliverables. You want your candidate experiences are aligned with the marketing messages across all prospective candidates. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/30456753

The Importance of Employer Branding 02/28/2024

The Importance of Employer Branding File 12: In today’s file, the team dives into the importance of employer branding. How does this fit in to a podcast that’s generally about recruiting, staffing and HR? Simple. If you want to attract quality employees, company leaders need to understand how their organization is viewed by the general public. Is it a brand people want to associate with or are there negative connotations about the organization and its work environment? If it’s the latter, there’s a direct connection between employer branding and its ability to effectively manage its workforce. Understanding the Term “Employer Branding” Jason owns CrowdSouth, a marketing agency that works with large organizations. He begins by explaining that branding is not about your logo, your color scheme or a font. Branding is how an audience feels about you. An employer brand refers to how people feel about you as an employer, rather than simply the product or service you provide. WHY Should a Company Focus on This? People are often confused with why they need to focus on their employee brand. Jason states that you may need to revive it. If there’s really no sentiment (+/-) about your employer brand, you may need to inject some energy into it. In other situations, you may need to take steps to adjust it or completely correct the current perception in the marketplace. Jamie discusses a time when she accepted a job to work with an employer she knew as a consumer, but not yet as an employee. She relocated to the new city and went to get her new cell phone. When she told the person across the counter that she’d just accepted a job with the local employer, the person’s reaction was, let’s just say, less than inspiring. The employer’s brand was not viewed positively in this small town. Molley comments that in years past, it was all about the reputation of the company, not necessarily the employee-experience. At that time, society was much more committed to staying with an employer for a longer period. The current paradigm has completely shifted. The opinion of an organization’s employees matters. How that company chooses to treat its employees is an important factor in whether it keeps and attracts other employees. Jason describes a previous situation his company was involved with several years ago. A large employer acquired a local plant. They wanted to let the local community know that changes were being made to make the plant a more inviting place to work. Jason’s team worked to secure employee testimonials to help alter the perception of the local plan, in terms of what it was like to work there. As a way of indicating if the efforts were working, they monitored Google Reviews about the facility. The star-rating increased and it resulted in being easier to recruit new employees. Keeping the Feedback and Opinions Authentic People are naturally skeptical of attempts to change long-held opinions or perceptions. Jason suggests a few ways to approach the effort. Employee surveys and public sentiment surveys can provide useful feedback. Customer survey results can provide additional insights. Taking steps to secure testimonials from employees who were there before the changes and chose to stick with the company now that the changes have been implemented tend to be good stories to leverage. You have to be able to admit there’s a problem, if you actually want to change it. Your Organization’s Net Promotor Score Jamie mentions that her company, Parcel, and Molley’s company, Incipio, both use a survey tool from . She likes that the surveys ask employees for a net promoter score. This key metric is simply a measure of whether the individual is willing to recommend the organization to someone else. It’s usually on a 1-5 or 1-10 scale. Molley describes how her team researches companies that have approached Incipio. Her team Google’s the company’s name to see if they’ve been in the news (+/-). What is their ? What are people saying about the organization on ? Who do they know on LinkedIn who might have insights about the company? The point is that it’s not uncommon for the leadership team to have a different perspective than what’s actually being said on the street. Often the feedback Incipio gathers is the basis for a couple of discussion points: · Are your views and perspectives aligned with the opinion on the street? · Is this something you what to resolve? Social Listening Campaigns Jason discusses how his company is working with a global company, at its large facility in the region. CrowdSouth is doing a social listening campaign for them. They’re pulling data from a collection of online platforms that have reviews about the company. Then, they present monthly reports detailing what’s being said about the company. Jason’s team synthesizes the information and they review it with the organization. The candid feedback will enable the company to understand their employer brand (as it currently exists) before fully engaging with Jason’s team. You have to accept your current reality before you can decide whether it’s what you actually want that “reality” to be. Get the data first. Then, go build a strategy to move the perception in the desired direction. The result will be a much more successful effort, verses relying on your assumptions. WHEN Should You Do This? Jason advises clients to have a continual feedback loop enabling the company to actively monitor “the conversation.” It also provides the opportunity for you to highlight positive stories through social media, as well as local and regional media. If you’re not doing this, start now. It’s possible for an organization to weave its own narrative. There’s no reason to simply accept how people perceive your employer brand. Take an active role in curating or influencing that brand perception. Actively Own Your Glassdoor Page Jamie observes that as a business, you can own your Glassdoor page. You’ll have access to respond to comments about your company. But what’s the best way to address less than optimal or even negative comments on your page? Jason says the proper response depends on the scenario. If the company is involved in a lawsuit, they may need to post a link advising viewers to follow it for updates on the situation. Maybe it is a challenging situation. Have your answers ready, but don’t let them sound canned. This allows you to respond and shows you took action to address it. Molley has a slightly different take. She agrees that responses need to be posted. The adds that you should thank the person for the comment and recognize them for having spoken up about the issue. She goes a step further by encouraging management to provide phone numbers that particular individual(s) can use to speak directly to them about it. It not only gives the individual an outlet, but it also shows everyone else that your actively engaged in resolving the issue. Candidates have a tremendous amount of power at their fingertips. As an employer, you need to be savvy about your employer branding. Employees want that in today’s environment. Anticipating a Major Hiring Push? This is a perfect time to begin adjusting your employer brand. Don’t wait until the initiative is underway, that might be too late and in some cases, it may take time for the efforts to take effect. HOW Can an Employer Take Steps to Adjust Its Employer Brand? This may be the biggest question. Jamie comments that this may be a surprise to the HR professionals. Yes, they have a hand in this marketing role. It’s a good idea to designate someone to basically own employer brand. Make it part of the job description. This may be someone in marketing, as opposed to HR. Either way, establish it as a key responsibility. Molley advocates to designating someone internally, rather than an external resource. Consider a short-term employee referral program to begin positively impacting the story. As that begins to take hold, then move externally with your big hiring push. Remember, your employee base can and should be brand champions. Check out for additional information on that thought. As an organization, make sure your vision and values align directly with how you are treating your employees. For instance, if you’re organization is family focused (“family first”) oriented, you need to live it. Make sure it’s part of performance reviews, publicize it, provide opportunities for your employees to take advantage of work-life initiatives. Make sure you’re walking the walk and talking the talk, before you turn your focus outward. Have a Consistent Narrative A company must be mindful of the conversation that’s happening, on a daily basis, about its employer brand. While some of these conversations are verbal, many are online. There are so many platforms that it might seem overwhelming. However, the key idea is to contribute to these conversations across a variety of online platforms. Craft and deliver a consistent narrative to help influence the tone and/or topics of the various conversations. Don’t do it surreptitiously. Be authentic in how the company is communicating. Jason reminds us that a brand is a living and breathing thing. It can be guided more than it can be controlled. From an HR compliance perspective, Jamie explains that this is also consider a protected activity. If an individual comments on the company’s social channel(s) or their own, about pay, benefits or working conditions, and even one employee “likes” it, the comment is now considered protected speech. So, not only should a company contribute (i.e. nudge the conversation), this is also why implementing a listening campaign is important. If the company is aware of issues, it can take steps to actively correct and resolve them, before they take-on a life of their own, online. Another option Jason recommends is to run an ad campaign, especially if there’s an issue in an existing region. Story-telling is a great method for nudging the employer brand. Show some community compassion or something the company is doing for its employees. It’s an effective way to get people focused on positive stories about your brand. WHO Is Responsible? Employer branding works best when it’s a combination of your talent team, marketing and senior leadership. Understand that senior leadership is responsible for thought leadership throughout the organization. What they talk about, what they value, how they express it and what they encourage drives company culture and values. The talent and marketing teams can play a role in keeping leadership’s narrative where it needs to be, relative to the employer brand. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/30151663

Breaking Up Is Hard To Do 02/14/2024

Breaking Up Is Hard To Do File 11: In today’s file, the team dives into the topic of terminations. Breaking up is hard to do, but it doesn’t have to be for either the employee or the manager delivering the news. The key is to do it with dignity. Molley and Jamie begin with comments about how they’ve been in situations involving a decision to terminate an employee and how stressful the entire situation can be. In situations involving a lack of performance, the separation should never come as a surprise to that individual. However, when there are unforeseen layoffs, business closings or similar situations, these can be particularly difficult. Termination for Poor Performance As a leader, once you recognize someone is struggling in a role there are actions you can take to work to determine why he/she is failing to meet performance expectations. This is why a performance-related termination should never come as a surprise. There should have been coaching and plans made to help the individual to become more successful. At the same time, expectations should be effectively communicated. When that doesn’t happen (or hasn’t happened), it makes it even worse. Jamie describes a TikTok video an employee made of her actual termination phone call. The call was handled by someone in HR she’d never met, instead of her manager/supervisor. The employee provides specific metrics she knew were used in evaluating performance for her role. The HR professional didn’t handle the conversation effectively. There are many ways this could have gone better for both individuals. Layoffs and Business Closings As a business leader, you should make a concentrated effort to be candid about the business, especially when speaking with your employees. How are you communicating about how your business is performing? If hard times are happening, your employees should be aware of the potential steps that might be required. Your organization needs to be prepared to help you to right the ship and at the same time, to understand what the consequences might involve if that doesn’t happen. Molley shares a story about the time she was laid off from a large, financial services company. Jamie builds on that with her own personal story about her husband’s layoff notification, which came while they were opening their wedding gifts. Consider the Person Ask questions to determine the best way to deliver the information. Layoffs may be the exception, but even then, how the communication is handled makes a significant difference. What is the individual’s work history and what to you know about him/her? The tenure an employee has with the company can influence how the conversation should be handled. Have you had direct conversations with this person, before making the decision to terminate? Does this person actually know the situation and what could potentially happen if they can’t improve their performance? Have you considered the types of objections the employee might offer as justification for remaining part of the organization? What are some of the needs the individual might be concerned about, as a result of the termination? There should not be one, single script used to terminate every employee. There could be common points, such as a severance package or a checklist, but the overall conversation should be customized based on some of the above-mentioned questions. There’s also a personal-safety consideration. Has this person exhibited any signs of a tendency that could escalate into a workplace violence situation? If so, what steps should be implemented prior to the conversation? Cleaning Out the Office This is a very emotional step. There are ways to handle this to avoid causing embarrassment and/or shame. Jamie offers some alternative advice. Having someone, such as security, stand over the person while their cleaning out their office, anticipates something bad occurring. Has this individual given you reason to expect they’d do something to harm company property or make a scene? What if the company has a company vehicle? Have you planned on how this handoff should happen? Are you going to end up forcing the employee to stand outside waiting for their spouse or friend to pick them up? Would it be possible for someone to pick up the vehicle at their home, instead? Allow the person the opportunity to separate with dignity. Remember, depending on where the company is located, the option of calling an Uber might not be either practical or available. The Importance of Delivering the Message with Compassion Having someone whom the person doesn’t know deliver the message was already covered in today’s discussion. The person deliver the message needs to be knowledgeable about the person being terminated, understand the reasons for the decision and to be prepared for the discussion. Providing for a conversation that preserves the person’s dignity is important. Be prepared to answer questions from the individual. These could involve the date benefits will end, when he/she will receive the last paycheck, payment for unused vacation days, etc. Do you have information on the process for filing for unemployment benefits? Jamie has seen a large-company layoff situation in which the employer brought in someone to answer questions about the process for filing for unemployment and related questions. Even if the company is forced to lay off a larger number of people, having one-to-one discussions is a better way to handle the situation. The individual may have unique needs and questions. When the communication is not handled properly, the story will get told and retold which will inevitably damage . When It Goes Off-The-Rails How you handle this greatly depends on whether you had a plan in case this were to happen. A termination is a highly-emotional situation. Jamie suggests you approach it by asking yourself, “How would I want someone very special to me to be treated, in this moment?” There’s no reason you can’t simply stop the conversation to give the person a little time to regain his/her composure. Consider asking, “Is there anything I can do to make this moment different for you?” The Importance of Creating Optionality When it comes to cleaning out the person’s workspace, there are a number of ways to approach it. Would the individual prefer to have you retrieve specific, personal items for that individual? Jason points out that these questions create “optionality” for someone who’s in a situation in which they aren’t feeling as if they have many options, at that moment. There are natural reactions to feeling as if you’ve been backed into a corner. Providing the individual options, or the feeling that they have a few choices, can de-escalate their feelings of helplessness. Consider asking if the individual would prefer to have the personal items mailed to them. This way the items could be collected after everyone has left for the evening. There’s the option of having you do it and meeting them back in the lobby, rather than standing over their shoulder has they clear out their desk. If your company has a policy regarding what a person can retrieve, is it practical and reasonable? They’re Feeling Worse If you are the one tasked with delivering the termination, it can be extremely uncomfortable. That’s understandable. However, it still needs to be handled with dignity. Remember, regardless of how uncomfortable you’re feeling, as the messenger, the person receiving the message is feeling worse at this very moment. Challenge your leadership to consider a more compassionate way to handle the termination process. The Best-Case Scenario When someone receives the news that he/she is being terminated, they’re going to experience panic. It’s a natural emotion. What are they going to do? How are they going to tell their spouse? How will they find another job? If you go into the situation with the understanding of how this person will be feeling and the questions they’re going to have (whether spoken or unspoken), you can be better prepared for the best-case scenario. Do you have information about outplacement services with you in the discussion? Jamie explains how a company she was involved with provided outplacement services for any employee who left, regardless of the reason. It required minimal cost to the organization. It delivered a high-degree of service. It walked the person through the process of updating a résumé, updating a LinkedIn profile, interview and job-search tips. It included advice regarding leveraging the individual’s personal and/professional network. Why do this? It actually can reduce your unemployment expense. It may lower your exposure to potential litigation. It still conveys that the organization cares about the individual and his/her success. Can you prepare a letter of recommendation for the individual, or an offer to do so, in an effort to help them move forward? Providing these types of service can shift the way the person experiences the conversation. There are appropriate ways a company can communicate to the remaining team (i.e. after a large layoff) about the steps it took to help those dismissed individuals. This might help to positively position the brand of company. It shows the organization cares. Breaking Up is Hard to Do These conversations are never easy, nor should they be. Take those extra steps to make an effort to soften the blow by helping the individual to move forward. Molley reminds us that we’re all humans. It’s all personal, whether we want to think of it in that light or not. It’s important to remember to be human. It matters. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/29952168

Recruiting Begins with Retention (Part 3 of 3) 01/17/2024

Recruiting Begins with Retention (Part 3 of 3) File 10: In today’s file, the team wraps up a 3-part series focusing on how Recruiting Begins with Retention. The discussion focuses on your employees who have been with you for 3 years and longer. We’ll refer to them as “The Eddies.” They are your “Steady-Eddies.” the team discussed those 0-6 month employees (“the Excitables”). , the focus was on the six-month to 3-year employees (“the Evolvers”). Jamie begins by explaining that the Eddies, in part because of their tenure, are focused on how the organization is operating. They are the ones who are evaluating the company relative to the commitments it’s made to the workforce. CNBC and Employee Engagement Jamie cites a recent which states, “Workers are the unhappiest they’ve been in 3 years.” This speaks directly to employee engagement. It goes on to report this issue, “can cost the global economy $8.8 trillion dollars.” That’s a staggering number. As it relates to your own organization, employees who have been with the company for 3 years or longer may begin to show signs of stagnation and/or decline. This is where your efforts to foster engagement really tend to show up. Where Should You Focus? The Eddies tend to show a bit more boredom, the need to be challenged and where that sense of community or connection at work should be recognizable. If the work they perform isn’t engaging, it may indicate a ceiling as to how long they’ll be willing to continue doing it. The Eddies tend to feel a bit more entitled. Jason notes that this group tends to split into those who are comfortable doing the job they were hired to do, and those who are looking for new challenges and could potentially be your future leaders. Is there upward mobility available for them? Are they being promoted? Now that you’ve invested your time and effort in getting them to this point, how to you keep them? Turnover Data May Not Be the Best Indicator Jamie explains that your data may miss the mark on this issue, with this particular employee segment. The group may be eligible for tenure-based incentives (i.e. more money, vesting, additional vacation time, etc.). Nevertheless, it doesn’t really capture whether they actually like being here and performing the required tasks. Molley addresses the turnover issue. If your organization has high numbers, but they’ve continued to show up to work, they may naturally develop a sense of entitlement because they are the ones “keeping the doors open around here.” This issue can present its own risks and challenges. If that tenured employee is involved in training others, is the training program and/or material effective? Is it the person doing the training? It could be a combination of factors. The group discusses some of their personal experiences related to the above issues. The concept of golden handcuffs doesn’t lead to inspiration. It simply means the employee is showing up because they may not feel equal or better opportunities may not exist outside of the organization. Molley points out how having an engaged leader who was willing to assist in your development (almost as a mentor), would have been a way to maintain her engagement and job-satisfaction. Some employees will show up and do the work, but are they actually enjoying it? What could the company do to focus on that aspect with your 3 year and longer employee-segment? The Importance of Introspection Jason builds off of Molley’s comments. Some people aren’t naturally introspective. But when it comes to keeping an individual feeling challenged and engaged, taking time to interact and help them think about how they are actually feeling about their role, contribution and future might provide valuable insights. Jamie notes that when people appear to be disengaged, usually because they’re complaining, are still in the game. They may be trying to show that they really care about what’s going on. It’s the ones who go silent that you should be concerned about. Have they given up? You need to explore what’s on their minds to show you still care about them, at this stage in their tenure. The simple act of asking, can make someone feel valued. You took the time to check-in and have an honest discussion, or at least to provide them with the opportunity to do so. That can have a positive effect on the individual. Remember to be genuine in this approach. It shouldn’t be viewed as a tactic. Don’t give the impression you’re just checking off boxes on a list and today that person’s name came up. Authenticity matters. Look for Organizational Milestones Recognizing milestones can work to reignite that seemingly lost excitement. Jason offers ways you can help discuss the advantages of organizational changes either in structure or leadership. Bring the conversation down to how this might be able to benefit a particular person, group of people or even a department as a whole. It’s important to find the positive aspects of the change. You’re looking for ways to get your Steady Eddies back into that “newly wed” phase of their company experience. Rigorous Candor Jamie urges us not to overlook the work required to set the foundation enabling you, as an HR manager or similar role, to have rigorous candor with your workforce. There are going to be unknowns tied to any change. When you’re trying to communicate the positive aspects of the change, you need to be sure it doesn’t come across as what Jamie terms, “corporate gaslighting.” Molley points out the disconnect between the common understanding that most people hate change. Yet, when the new iPhone comes out, they flock to it. What explains this? Jamie offers that Apple has provided an exciting product that you can unpack and easily figure out. You can’t do that with a new organizational leader or a departmental supervisor. The unknowns overshadow the potential upside. What Are Your Eddies Looking For? Many are looking for or anticipating new challenges. They may be feeling ready to take on a leadership position. Does your organization these opportunities? If you’ve spoken with your employees about a career path, but then overlook them when they should have been considered, it’ll be seen as a letdown or a failure on a commitment. Is there a way to give them some flexibility for more work-life balance? The person you hired 3 years ago (or longer) may be in a different phase of life now. The same incentives you offered in the earlier years may not feel as relevant to them today. Tolerance can also become an issue. Early on, the employee may have been willing to shoulder more of the responsibility for the things he/she didn’t know how to do or understand. In this more tenured phase, however, if they are still feeling confused or if they aren’t getting the answers they need, they’ll shift the blame onto the organization. One Size Fits All Benefits Plan While a general plan can be more easily administered, it can’t possibly work for each employee in the same way or be viewed with the same value. It’s not uncommon for medium-sized organization to have a range of 5 different generations in the workforce, at the same time. There’s no way for a one size fits all benefits plan to work well. As employers, you need to find a way to target aspects of the benefits plan so that are considered valuable to the individual segments. But how do you figure out what is needed or desired in a benefits plan? The answer is quite simple. The organization needs to ask the workforce what they’d like to see or have by way of employee benefits. The three groups (0-6 months, 6-months to 3 years, and those who have been there 3 years or longer), are different. Engagement data can still provide helpful insights. But it’s important to view the data by the tenure segments. Can you identify ways to engage the individuals by offering opportunities they can learn about or explore? E-learning, such as LinkedIn Learning, can be easily incorporated into employee programs. Continuing education is a terrific benefit, but recognize that employees strongly feel the expense should be the responsibility of the employer, not the employee. The C-Suite often feels it’s not their responsibility to cover the cost of continuing education opportunities. That’s a significant disconnect. Upskilling your employees should always be seen as a good investment for the organization. Consider celebrating an individual employee when he/she completes an e-learning course and receives a certificate. They can also be useful in your performance reviews. Remember, if your company fails to provide this type of paid-for investment in an individual’s skill set, that person may decide to seek out an organization that will. Why Do People Leave? Molley closes out the file with a question. Recruiting begins with retention, so why do people leave? The answers may be different for each of the 3 tenure segments. However, if your company or organization can’t answer this question, it’s time to begin finding out the answers. You have 3 professionals on this podcast who can help you to figure it out. We can help. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/29527633

Recruiting Begins with Retention (Part 2 of 3) 01/03/2024

Recruiting Begins with Retention (Part 2 of 3) File 9: In today’s file, the team continues a 3-part series focusing on how Recruiting Begins with Retention. The discussion focuses on your employees who have been with you for 6 months to 3 years. We’ll refer to them as “The Evolvers.” Jamie begins with a quote from Fortune magazine regarding why employees leave during the first 6-12 months. Some of these reasons can be restated to include: Feeling out of sync Not understanding how they impact the company Realizing their job-related activities are different from what they were originally told In of this discussion, specifically focused on employees who were in their first 6 months, the group stressed the importance of helping the new hire to clearly understand the above 3 points. How well your team performed relative to this important activity will set up the next 6 months and beyond. Molley discusses how at the 6-month mark, the employee is beginning to develop relationships with his/her co-workers. They should be settling into both the role and the culture. Jason asks if it’s fair for the responsibility to now transition from the recruiting team to the management team? The answer is yes. This would make sense because the recruiting team now needs to refocus on generating the next batch of new hires. They’ve generally done their job of finding the right candidate, getting them hired and assisting with the on-boarding process. Molley recognizes that there may be some joint-responsibility, but for the most part it’s no longer a recruiting issue. There should be a helpful hand-off. If leaders were to see a trend develop in which people decide to leave in the 6-8 month period, then of course, maybe recruiting should be involved in a deeper dive into the core issue driving the trend. However, generally speaking, it’s now in management’s hands. Molley recounts a series of simple, but important questions she presents to C-Suite leaders regarding their turnover rate, cost of hiring and the cost of leaving that position unfilled. Many do not have a firm grasp on those metrics. Jason comments the above illustrates exactly why a company should have at least one individual tasked with monitoring, measuring and reporting on these metrics. It’s vital to the company’s ability to grow in a competitive market. The Workforce Therapy Files team is a group of professionals who work with companies grappling with the challenges of workforce development. They know how overwhelmed talent-teams are. Nonetheless, someone in the company needs to have retention as a part of their individual responsibilities. Managing the Transition Molley recommends re-engaging with employees who are at that 6-month timeframe to see if they would be interested in mentoring others in the 0-6 month range. It could foster engagement for both parties. There’s a lot of value in this effort. Jamie discusses how the types of conversations you’re having with that employee who is in the 6-month to 3-year tenure needs to evolve. It’s a good time to get the pulse of the individual relative to their aspirations for advancement, job-satisfaction and general engagement. Make sure employees continue to feel that level of interest you initially showed. They are still important to the overall mission. Unfortunately, at the 3-year mark, there tends to be a dramatic decrease in the engagement level of an employee, based on what Jamie’s observed during her career working to help various companies. Job rotations and internal job fairs are ways to foster interest and improved engagement levels. Molley makes a good point. If you do internal job satisfaction-style surveys, but don’t take action based on the results, nothing will change. In fact, it may worsen. Your employees are human beings and they need to be acknowledged for the contribution they make to the overall organization’s success. Knowing that they are being heard is a great way to begin improving employee engagement. “I hear you” is a powerful statement for management and supervisors to make. How Does Your Employee Perceive What They Do? Jamie recounts an example that goes directly to an individual’s contribution to the mission: “A man was approached and asked what he was doing. His response was that he was laying bricks. A second man was asked the same question. He responded he was building a wall. A third man was asked and his response was ‘I’m building a cathedral.’” This illustrates the importance of ensuring the individuals understand how important they are. It often begins with how they see their role. Effective communication and coaching by management can help to influence that perception. Jason reminds us that this is why it’s so important that everyone understands the mission and vision of their respective companies. It helps to define how each person’s role is related to the long-term success of the company and the customers who purchase the products and services provided by those companies. Milestones at the 6-Month to 3-Year Stage Employees who are in this stage of their tenure generally experience the following: They’re comfortable with the role They’re getting competent in their role They’re getting clarity in their position However, there are some other actions, intended or not, that generally take place: Support for the individual begins to decline Expectations begin to increase Issues start to arise If you are doing engagement surveys with your workforce, hopefully you’ll be able to identify the red flags and take action before the employee fully disengages and/or exits the organization. Situational Leadership Jamie discusses how at 0-6 months, leadership needs to be directive. At the early part of the 6-month to 3-year window, there will be fewer instructions and coaching. This is the point at which recognition and feedback are important. It gives you an opportunity to gauge how the employee views his/her progress. Remember, these are “the evolvers.” Managers should never be too busy to engage in the recognition and feedback at this stage. It’s a critical part of their role/responsibility. The company has invested a lot in the individual’s achieving this stage in their career path. Don’t short circuit the return on investment by ignoring this phase. At this phase, a manager will be able to get a feel for the individual’s trajectory and aspirations. At the same time, the person’s true talents should be emerging, which could lead to opportunities in other roles. Engaging with him/her about future options would be a great idea. Employee Referrals Molley explains how this is an excellent window during which employee referrals can be made. Unfortunately, as the individual grows more comfortable, referrals tend to decrease. However, while many companies have referral incentives, Molley shares a pro-tip. How about instituting an employee referral program that rewards both the individual making the referral, as well as the new hire? You can really get creative here to go beyond the status quo. There are many ways to get an employee to engage. Some of the options may be for internal improvement initiatives, but don’t forget about community-wide initiatives. Again, get creative and foster that sense of pride and belonging. Recognition is also important. Jason recommends publicizing work anniversaries, promotions and achievements. Jason shares his company’s fondness for fun trophies. Recognition is recognition. It motivates and fosters a sense community, even though it’s focused on the individual’s activity. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: Jamie Swaim, SPHR – Molley Ricketts – Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/29322553

Recruiting Begins with Retention (Part 1 of 3) 12/13/2023

Recruiting Begins with Retention (Part 1 of 3) File 8: In today’s file, the team begins a 3-part series focusing on how Recruiting Begins with Retention. The discussion focuses on “The Excitables.” These are employees who have been with you for 0-6 months. The needs of this particular group are different, and so are the reasons they may decide to leave. You Only Have One Chance to Make a Positive First Impression Jamie begins by asking, “What was your WORST first day like?” Jason immediately recalls a summer job he had, during college, on a hog farm. It was a large farm with 1,000 animals. What he didn’t realize is that there was a hazing tradition in place for any new guy. They assigned him a task with no instructions and no information on how to complete the task. He was thrown into it and figured out how to do it. As he describes it, “It was a disgusting first day.” Even though he showed up the next day and things seemed to go much better, it was a less than optimal first impression. Molley asks Jamie about her worst first day. In this case, Jamie relocated for a new job. She was in a new city and bought her first house. She showed up for her first day and they put her in a small room and instructed her to read 2 binders worth of material. There was no tour of the office, no introduction to her co-workers, nothing. Several weeks later, they asked her if she had ever done investigations. She came back with a report that her boss picked apart. It caused her to seriously begin doubting herself and her ability to do the job. Again, it was a less than optimal first impression. Jamie asks for Molley’s worst first day story. Molley grew up in an entrepreneurial family. She had experience, but the story she tells is about her first paying job. She was a Subway sandwich artist. Everyone seemed friendly and welcoming. However, just as the lunch rush began, the staff disappeared. Molley was running the show by herself, on her first day. It was a nightmare. The manager was leaving the company, but luckily, the new manager was much more professional and coached Molley on how to properly handle the responsibilities and tasks. However, the first impression wasn’t what you’d imagine it would have been. The Turnover Data Jamie explains there’s something that happens during that first 6 months of employment. If you assume most people don’t take a new job to quickly quit it, the problem must be a miscommunication or the setting of unrealistic expectations during the recruiting process or in the on-boarding process. Molley stating, industry-wide across the US, 33% of all new hires leave those new jobs within 6 months. The group dives into the key factors that may be driving that huge turnover. Planning for the New Hire This is imperative for any business. You may have heard stories of managers not knowing the employee was starting on the day they showed up to begin. Poor communication and planning leads to a feeling of being unappreciated and makes the company look extremely disorganized. The same happens when your office phone or new computer isn’t ready. Imagine how excited the new employee was and the disappointment that resulted from the lack of planning. The team takes time to discuss their BEST first days. The examples are much more in line with what you would expect (or at least hope) a first day should feel like. These best first days included tours, introductions both formal and informal and much more. Jamie tells a story of a best first day with a company that absolutely knocked it out of the park. There are so many little things a company can do to really make the new employee feel he/she made the right decision. If your new hire is working remote the challenge to nail that first impression becomes more complicated, but it can be done, if you simply plan for it. Molley has a good game plan for this situation. Remote workers need plenty of consistent contact, especially in the early days. Jamie describes how video tours of the main office are helpful. She also mentions how to offer tips for the remote employee that shows your company cares about their involvement and progress. Retention Can Start in the Interview Process Jason describes how his company handled this with a terrific, remote-work candidate. During the onsite interview, several people took this individual to dinner. She discussed her dream of owning a bed and breakfast. Later, Jason’s team mailed her a book about starting a successful bed and breakfast. It was a small gesture, but imagine how that made the person feel about the company and the team she was about to join. That’s a good first impression. The key is to actively listen for those little comments about what’s important to the individual you’re interviewing. Then, take action to create an opportunity to prove how your organization’s values align with his/hers. Do You Have a Formal On-boarding Process? Molley comments how important it is to have a written on-boarding process and accountability assigned to people who have a role in that process. This can help with consistency and controlling the experience so it delivers the impression you intended to deliver. Jamie observes the secondary goal for most organizations when dealing with a new hire. You want them to become functional and productive as quickly as possible (the employee shares that same goal). An effective on-boarding plan should cover the first 6 months. Orientation is not on-boarding. The plan should include: Who do they need to know? What access do they need? What training do they need? What’s the estimated time required for that person to learn the various job activities? How often should the leader or manager meet with the new employee to ensure they are feeling comfortable with the new role and their ability to perform the duties? Consider these “temperature checks.” Is that employee getting what he/she needs? Schedule daily meetings for the first week. After the first week, the meetings could be weekly. That cadence can go longer after the first month or so, depending on the feedback. Form an Assimilation Team Sometimes, this level of involvement may not be feasible. Consider developing an assimilation team that can take on some of these activities to ensure the new hire is getting the support he/she needs. There’s value in the communication that will occur between the new employee and the more experienced ones who are taking that individual under the collective wing. It makes him/her feel important and valued. Moreover, it establishes important connections. What Should You be Measuring Related to On-boarding Success? Jason was surprised by the 33% turnover rate. He asked Jamie and Molley to recommend ways organizations can measure their progress. Jamie likes breaking the first 6-month turnover rate down by type of job, leader, location or other factors. You want to try to identify best-practices within your organization and apply them to lower-performing areas. Molley shares her perspective about the value of the new hire process. Can you identify at what point does that new employee become profitable to the company? You’ve invested time and effort in this individual from the recruiting expense to the compensation and training of that person. If he/she leaves before they reach that point of profitability, your organization has failed to achieve a return on that investment. You need to determine the root causes preventing new employees from reaching that point of profitability. Do You Understand Why They Left? It’s critical to understand what went wrong. If you don’t, you’ll be destined to have it repeated time and time again. Are you conducting exit interviews with voluntary departures? Of those who are considered involuntary departures, do they fall into common reasons or “buckets”? Did you have the proper system and tools set up for someone to learn the job and progress? How can you set people up for success in your organization? Don’t Wait for the Exit Interview Molley notes that if this is the first time you’ve actually asked the individual about his/her experience with your organization, it’s too late. The damage is already done. During the first 6 months, you should be having regular and consistent communication with your new hire. You’ll be able to address issues more quickly, if you’ve taken the time to ask and/or identify them. Don’t set up your people to fail. Set Expectations Clearly and Early Jason comments that if you set the proper expectations, people have a better chance of meeting and exceeding them. If those expectations are ambiguous, is it really the fault of your new hire? Your Compensation Program Jamie adds that most compensation programs set the mid-point at when the individual becomes fully functional for the role. Aligning your process allows the person to grow his/her compensation to hit the mid-point, while allowing you to make adjustments to the training program, as needed. Your New Hires Are Referral Sources People who are having a terrific on-boarding experience tend to be more likely to refer others to your organization. They’re excited about their roles, the culture and the future opportunities. They are more apt to tell family, friends and colleagues about their experience. This can also have the opposite effect, if the process is poorly designed and/or implemented. New Hire Surveys These are becoming more widely available. They are critical sources of feedback for your organization. They often encompass the interviewing process, as well as the on-boarding phase. Jamie encourages companies not to try to build their own. You need an anonymous tool, if you want credible feedback. Using survey tools such as , can help an employee feel more confident that his/her identity will be masked. This can promote more candid responses. Jamie and Molley have had a lot of success with . The Importance of Communication and Marketing Jason’s company focuses on marketing for employers. He encourages organizations not to ignore the importance of internal marketing. What are you saying to your team about your culture? He recommends that talent acquisition team begin working with the marketing department to allocate investment for internal marketing and communications. There is value to reducing turnover and promoting employee engagement. Jamie comments on how you might be able to use some of those internal marketing and communications to introduce your new hire to the organization. It’ll make him/her feel welcome and potentially open up connection points for others who may have similar backgrounds, hobbies or experiences. Highlighting the fact that the organization is actively hiring can bring a sense of relief to those who are feeling under-resourced and overworked. “At least the company is doing something to address the issue.” If you need help reducing your resources, you have a team that’s here to help. You don’t have to do it on your own. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/29056843

Getting Help with Your Recruiting and Staffing Objectives 11/29/2023

Getting Help with Your Recruiting and Staffing Objectives File 7: In today’s file, the team focuses on you when it comes to getting help with your recruiting and staffing objectives. It can feel overwhelming. It’s often like you’re just climbing uphill without the proper resources. Jamie begins the discussion by describing why she quit going to conferences, early in her career. The speakers didn’t really seem to understand or remember what it was like at the ground level. So, what’s the answer, how do you seek and ask for help? Jason approaches this from a marketing perspective. Rather than outsourcing this recruiting element, some companies decide to hire “a marketing person.” Finding an individual who can handle graphic design, website development and management, copywriting, ad builds, interpret analytics and other important activities is usually too much for one person to handle, effectively. Many of these skills are separate and distinct. The same example applies to recruiters and talent acquisition professionals. The scope of the challenge is extremely broad and leadership doesn’t always understand how to properly resource these efforts. Asking for Help This is difficult to consider, especially when you think it’s “just not in the budget.” The reality is it’s probably there, but you have to dig to find it. How big of a financial impact does turnover have on the budget? Jamie and Molly comment that senior management may not actually attribute a dollar amount to this, but the real costs are there. Most organizations don’t truly understand how much it costs to hire an individual or group of people. Waste associated with workforce planning, in general, rarely shows up in the budget. In reality, it may be one of the top expenses to a company, along with the general categories of payroll and benefits. Companies would do well to . The cost of recruiting and hiring has changed. These expenses should be a dynamic part of the budget. Simply allocating what you’ve done in the past doesn’t actively consider the increases in these activities, or the actions being taken by your competition. Jason suggests you consider whether or not your company’s budget has a significant allocation for capital expenditures. This may be an area from which to secure investment in your workforce development efforts. There may be some miscellaneous funds that tend to roll over in this ledger, year after year. There are software tools that can help you to better analyze your workforce planning and the cost of these tools may be less than you anticipated. The overall savings would definitely yield a return to the company’s bottom line. The Cost of a Failed Hire Molley asks new clients to quantify this number. Unfortunately, many can’t or don’t know where to begin. She goes on to explain in recruiting, there is a turnover number and a churn number. There’s a difference. Churn relates to what happens before the person becomes profitable for the company, in terms of the investment it made in identifying them, recruiting them, hiring them, onboarding them and training them. These expenses are real. If the employee leaves before he/she hits that point at which they can operate more independently (i.e. they’re now profitable), it’s churn. Turnover, by contrast, occurs once the person has become profitable. You need to have the numbers to make an effective argument to leadership. Having an outside expert come in to work the numbers and to formulate and deliver “the story” is a win-win. Timing Is Important For many managers and C-suite leaders, the end of the year is when they really get laser focused on the budget. The time for asking is now. If you miss this opportunity, you may be stuck with that decision for the next 12 months. Jamie recommends you identify the person who is representing the HR budget at the C-suite, for your division. Share a detailed, line-item version of what your budget should look like. Prepare them with the rationale and the numbers so they can advocate effectively on your behalf. Jason and Molley discuss how to both build as strategy for the ask, as well as preparing to defend the questions regarding the ask. Be prepared to offer specifics related to the deliverables directly resulting from the company’s investment. It’s always about Return on Investment (ROI). Know What You Don’t Know Molley explains this statement. You have to define where the issues are and why they exist. This exercise will help to support your argument for increased funding for recruiting and talent acquisition. Show that the investment will address the issues traditionally leading to the problems. You have to dig into it and determine the root drivers. Doing so will enable to you identify “why” you’re asking. It’s not just a wish-list. Returning to the core theme of the discussion, you can leverage the tools and expertise of outside resources to help you to build the right strategy. Some of the initiatives can obviously be handled internally. Reach out of help as needed. Find a partner who understands your situation and will provide solutions to specific issues. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/28840933

Understanding What the Labor Statistics Indicate 11/15/2023

Understanding What the Labor Statistics Indicate File 6: In today’s file, the team digests the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers and their impact on recruiting and economic standpoint. Why are they important and what difference do they actually make? For reference: Jason begins with a brief explanation. The monthly jobs report is a combination of narrative and tables intended to help individuals, businesses and other organizations to monitor the labor market. This information assists in planning, forecasting and modeling for a variety of purposes. In this report, the number of new jobs created was double what the economists expected. Depending on your role, that could be good or bad. For recruiters, that means there may be more competition out there trying to attract great candidates. The average hourly wage increased from $27.85 to $29.06, versus the same time last year. This is a national number, so it may seem higher or lower than where you are located. Jason recommends interacting with your local or regional workforce development team to get a better handle on your specific market. The unemployment rate is 3.8%, a historic low. But what does this really mean? This represents individuals available and actively looking for work in the past month. However, that number can be skewed. The workforce participation rate is a more interesting number. This is the percent of the population either working or actively seeking work. In this report it was 62.8%, compared to a roughly 60% rate for the last year or so. This might be a red flag. As the Boomers retire, the workforce is getting smaller. The younger generations have different work habits and preferences. This rate is also seasonally adjusted. Jamie observes that the report indicates we have more jobs and fewer people to fill them. Molley describes a period during which she was recruiting for architects and engineers. There was significant shortage of candidates. The college and university enrollment levels for these programs were down. If you are trying to hire in these types of fields, it’s going to continue to be difficult. What the Data Means for the C-Suite and the Recruiter Jamie comments that 400,000 more people have part-time jobs, in addition to their full-time jobs, compared to last year. Jason notes that this could indicate talent-acquisition teams are realizing the trends and may be pivoting by offering part-time arrangements, rather than requiring the role to be filled by a single, full-time employee. Some organizations resist the consideration of part-time arrangements. She states it requires management and intentionality on behalf of organizational leaders. It may be a good time to split certain roles into part-time segments, if it can be done. Flexible location and hours are still preferred by prospective candidates. It’s quite possible some of these candidates would maintain their full-time jobs due to current state of the economy. Jason observes that the 400,000 number is interesting from a marketing standpoint. He often works with large organizations to attract prospective job applicants via online platforms. If you begin to break full-time positions into multiple part-time positions, you’re going to need to market to a wider population, thus potentially increasing your marketing spend for this hiring initiative. Molley adds that by having more eyes on a particular project, the creativity and problem-solving capabilities would naturally increase. Jason comments that it would be less of a negative impact if you were to lose a part-time employee vs a full-time employee, because you still have one or more people in the position. Innovative Steps to Help Your Workforce Jason comments how a client organization in a rural area has begun offering transportation services. This provides a way to overcome transportation issues that might restrict or eliminate people from getting to work. He admits it takes effort to implement the logistics, but definitely works well in the long-term. Molley is dealing with a client organization that’s confronted with a similar transportation issue. Some of the employees and prospective employees are challenged to get to the facility, because it’s not located near the bus line. Figuring out a solution is very beneficial to the employer, but again, requires a level of intentionality. She recommends that if the company is drawing from an area requiring 45 minutes to an hour to get to the workplace, implementing an internal, logistics program for those individuals would be a solid investment. Jamie returns to a topic discussed in a previous File (). It’s the importance of having regular wage reviews. Are your compensation packages still competitive in your area and industry? The information you collect will help you develop a better plan to attract the right number of individuals for your workforce development needs. Jamie also notes that the tuition deferment programs are getting ready to expire. Are you considering some type of tuition repayment support? Doing so could make your company and its open positions more attractive. Organizational leaders have both the opportunity and responsibility to review policies that impact your team’s ability to effectively recruit. There’s value in developing a culture focused on meeting employees where they are. This means you have the ability to prepare to do good and great things for your organization. As pay rates increase, as mentioned earlier, the workforce not only remains your most valuable asset, it also remains your largest expense. However, there are ways of augmenting your compensation package, without actually increasing hourly wages. Transportation, child care and other options help you to meet your workforce where they are. It’s important for your recruiting team to be able to seek employee feedback and push that information to the C-Suite. Advice to Recruiters about the Numbers Molley offers some valuable tips and advice. If you don’t understand how the unemployment rate or the workforce participation rate affects the jobs you’re trying to fill, it makes it more difficult to effectively communicate with your leadership. While you may be gathering insights as to what candidates and current employees need, if you can’t correlate those needs with industry data, your recommendations won’t seem as solid. You have the ability to be at the forefront of change. You’ll be better equipped to add top talent and to drive value for both the company and the individual. Molley challenges recruiters to learn the numbers and what they actually mean for your company’s success. Increasing compensation adds pressure. However, Molley recommends diving deep to understand your particular industry and your competition’s offerings. Why would a prospective new-hire select a competitor over your company? There’s also understanding the scope of the competition. Molley uses the example of Louisville’s UPS World Hub. There are many companies in a radius around Louisville that work in logistic, fulfillment and distribution. If this is your segment, it may not be exclusively UPS you’re competing against. Rather, it’s important to understand how your compensation packages stack up with the larger scope of competitors. You need the statistics and information to craft a solid analysis of what you need from leadership to enable you to attract top talent. Molley comments about how one of her clients offers employees a cell phone plan and that aspect of the package has resulted in a very high retention rate. It seems relatively small, until you understand how that benefit directly impacts household budgets. Carefully planning questions to determine what challenges, needs and desires a prospective candidate might have can uncover valuable insights into the compensation package you’re going to need to offer. Obviously, this shouldn’t be interpreted as asking questions that are “off-limits” or might result in legal consequences. However, you should intentionally pursue conversations to help you recruit that candidate. In a previous episode, the team discussed . Applicants and candidates have more leverage. Both the recruiter and the individual are evaluating if this is a good fit. Molley quotes a statistic that on average, essential workers apply for up to 10 different positions, at any given time. You have to find ways to offer competitive comp packages, the right culture and requirements that meet both the company and the individual’s needs. Altering the Fundamental Approach to Recruiting and Hiring Jason offers an explanation of how and why the approach needs to change. Traditionally, leadership will cast a vision, talent acquisition receives the objectives and attempts to execute. Jason recommends both stakeholders review, analyze and consider the economic and employment reports on a periodic basis, especially during monthly, quarterly and annual strategy sessions. The numbers are going to impact how you execute the plans. As a recruiter or HR specialist, you have the opportunity to mold your company and its future. The situation may look different down the road, but the key is to avoid being stagnate and/or unaware of the trends impacting your talent pool. Prepare your leaders to craft the proper policies and to focus on developing leaders throughout the organization who believe in and support those policies. Procrastination is not your friend. You have to intentionally block out time to think about these topics with your team. Solutions don’t simply materialize. You need time to analyze the opportunity, understand the headwinds, align the solutions with your company objectives and then to effectively present them to your C-Suite leadership. It takes time. Start soon. The team suggests you actually forward this episode to your leaders and think through the issues together. If you’d like help, our contact information is provided below. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/28653653

Spooky Recruiting Issues 11/01/2023

Spooky Recruiting Issues File 5: In today’s file, the team goes with a Halloween theme. We’ll discussed spooky recruiting issues and situations to avoid. Ghosting Jamie begins the discussion with the topic of ghosting. Imagine leading recruiting teams for large organizations. Suddenly you find yourself laid-off. You’ve made progress in your job search, but suddenly you realize, nobody is calling you back. It feels as if you’re being ghosted. If you’ve every applied for a job, it’s quite possible you’ve been ghosted. You took the time to go through the process. You did your best to avoid typos and grammatical errors. You submitted the information well within the posted application period. Nonetheless, you’re not getting any response. No acknowledgement of receipt. No “thank you will be in touch.” No “we’ve decided to go in a different direction.” No follow up letter/email of any type. Nada. Molley shares her personal experience when stepping back into the job search. She wasn’t aware this actually happened in recruiting. It was a shock. She and Jamie discuss the importance of tracking the communication flow to ensure you’ve responded to each applicant, even if it’s to decline them. In the past, this was a tedious, manual process. Today, technology has changed that process and there’s no good reason for ghosting an applicant. Molley comments about how important follow-up is, especially if you’ve had an actual interview with an applicant. At some point, it becomes about the personal brand of that recruiter, as much as about the brand of the company looking to hire. Jamie talks about how some of her best hires were people who had previously applied but weren’t necessarily the best fit for that particular role. However, once a better opportunity came around, because she’d effectively handled the communication flow with that person, she was able to reach out and convince them to apply for the new opportunity. The follow-up becomes even more important if the candidate has made it through several steps of the interview process. Remember, how you represent the company for which you are recruiting can have a significant effect on how that individual talks to family and friends about the company, especially if it was a poor experience. The team discusses the importance of having a solid process in place. In , Process was the focus of the entire episode. It can ensure you communicate and limit the chance that an applicant or candidate slips through cracks. A good process, especially when combined with the right software can help you to automate some of those communication activities, thus saving tremendous time and effort. Zombies Molley transitions the discussion to zombies. Okay, well not exactly, but we’re sticking with a Halloween theme today. Zombies are the recruiters or HR professionals who only consider applications if all of the right boxes are checked. The system or process might eliminate a quality applicant, simply because he/she didn’t meet each one of the prerequisite qualifications. Often, those qualifications might be more boilerplate than actually relevant to the individual’s ability to excel in a particular roll. Unfortunately, the zombie recruiter will never get the chance to connect with that applicant. Jamie also describes a colleague who was an extremely effective professional, but might not have made it past the initial screening process, because she had a degree in paralegal studies rather than a bachelor’s degree. The Invisible Man or Woman Jason introduces this spooky recruiting issue. This is an HR professional who is not performing internal talent reviews. Recruiting is a time-intensive and costly process. It’s quite possible the ideal candidate would have been an internal hire, had there been an internal talent review to identify this individual. It’s scary to think of the time, effort and money wasted by not looking at your own bench before deciding to pursue an external hire. Molley asks who’s actually responsible? Is it the HR professional or the internal candidate? Jason makes a good point that if the internal individual doesn’t know the job is posted, how could he/she apply? It’s important to make sure you have a process in place to identify and cultivate successful, internal candidates, who are actually interested in pursuing a new role. Jason describes managers as gardeners. They’re growing and developing their teams, but the recruiter may not be as familiar with the internal talent. Again, effective communication flow is critical to optimizing the recruiting and hiring process. Jamie advises recruiters to have this conversation during the intake process. Ask the hiring manager, during the initial discussion, their current team or individuals in other departments. There might be quality candidates who should be involved. Frankenstein This refers to an amalgamation of a number of factors. Recruiters may be looking for culture-fit, but forcing a fit may actually create a monster. Subjective decision-making introduces bias. Trying to convince someone they are a good fit, or rejecting someone because you don’t think they’re a good fit may result in negative consequences. Jamie and Molley share that sometimes the culture needs to be adapted or changed. Often a talented individual may be able to evolve the team’s culture, while also excelling in the role regardless if his/her perceived “fit” with the existing culture. Why miss out on a great candidate because of a bias? Molley describes an “interesting” question a CEO used to use in his interviews with prospective clients. It may not have yielded the desired result. She comments that while sometimes there are reasons for “riding the wave” when it comes to assuming a new role, more often than not, it can be risky if the process isn’t managed properly. This can lead to failure rather than an optimal result for both the new hire and the company and/or department. Vampires This refers to the person who sucks the life out of you at work, rather than enabling you to maintain your excitement and engagement in the work you are performing. Jason observes that the vampire may have originally been a Frankenstein (i.e. forced into a culture fit scenario) and now he/she is in a position in which the rest of the team is suffering because of it. Jamie describes another vampire, but from a different perspective. This is the high-performer who’s meeting or surpassing the KPIs, but leaving bodies in their wake. They’re abusing their administrative support and others. People might imagine aggressive sales people fitting into this mold. While the individual continues to earn accolades, bonuses and other recognition for performance, the damage to the organization can be tremendous. Solutions for Dealing with Spooky Recruiting Issues Ghosts: Make sure you’re properly staffed so you have the time and processes to effectively communicate with your applicants and candidates. Automation can be your friend. Zombies: Jamie mentions this was addressed in a . As a recruiter, you really need to know and understand the job for which you are recruiting. Understand what really matters and what really drives results. As you’re interviewing if you spot a potential gap or deficit, ask questions to see if the applicant/candidate may have made up of this perceived gap/deficit in another way. Again, it’s never about just checking the boxes. Engage! Molley observes that when the job market is tighter, recruiters may have the opportunity to look more closely at prospective candidates. As part of that, Jamie recommends reviewing your “knockout” questions to ensure your system isn’t rejecting individuals who may actually be able to perform and/or excel in the role, based on a few broadly brushed parameters. Bias can have a role in the zombie approach. The recruiter needs to be on guard and self-aware during the vetting process. Invisible Man/Woman: Jason suggests having a good process developed to identify viable internal candidates can be a solution to dealing with this issue. Remember, you may have a talented individual already on your team who either hasn’t spoken up or doesn’t know about the new opportunity exists. The internal search process can save time and money. Frankenstein: Stitching together a person to simply get a body in the role may seem the path of least resistance, but in the medium- to long-term, it can turn out to be a disaster for the organization. Molley makes the point that it’s important to review the job description before you set out to hire. The job description may not have been updated since the role was originally created, however, the actual tasks and responsibilities may have evolved. Fixing this upfront can definitely help avoid creating a Frankenstein. Vampires: The group quickly urges managers to identify the vampires in your organization and get them out. The overall negative impact to the organization isn’t usually worth the damage the vampire is inflicting. Jamie recommends analyzing the rewards systems to ensure they’re not rewarding vampire behavior. More often than not, this is the case. That’s where we’ll leave the conversation for today. Before we close the file, we invite you to reach out to us with questions, suggestions or other comments. We’d love to hear from you. Need Help Supporting Your Company’s Recruiting and Staffing Goals? We’re here to help. You can contact us via our individual websites, depending on your specific needs or questions: · Jamie Swaim, SPHR – · Molley Ricketts – · Jason Heflin – We hope you found this file insightful and helpful. Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/28060014-706e-492d-9ee1-130803f2f525/id/28485428

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