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File 24: In today’s file, the team begins a 2-part discussion on the job market. In this episode, they’ll focus on layoffs. Several clients have reached out to Jamie and Molley to plan for potential layoffs and the specific steps companies are required to take. In File 11 (), the team discussed the topic of separating with dignity. This might be a good reference point. Legal Considerations Involving a Layoff To begin, it’s important to note none of this should be considered legal advice, as the members of the WTF Podcast team are not lawyers. ...
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File 23: In today’s file, the team welcomes Summer Dixon Goldman of Dixon Strategies. She offers fractional Chief Operating Officer services for owners, founders and CEOs. Dixon Strategies brings order to chaos. Meet Summer Goldman Summer had a 20-year, corporate career. She has a background in agriculture and lending. The majority of her corporate experience was in leadership roles related to sales and operations teams. She eventually made the decision to start her own company. Summer begins by explaining fractional chief operating officer services...
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File 22: In today’s file, the team welcomes Amy Rudy, the Founder of Impact Sales Systems, to discuss the challenge of staying relevant in your industry or field and growing your knowledge, skills and abilities. It’s also going to require a level of resilience to remain agile in the future of work. In case you missed them, the previous 2 episodes focused on The Future of Work. Click the below links to listen: · · Meet Amy Rudy Amy is a sales and sales management coach. She works with business...
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File 21: In today’s file, the team continues the discussion on the future of work, namely the changes to where and how we’ll work, in the not too distant future. Remember, we let AI draft the outline for this file. Jason and Molley haven’t seen the outline. We’ll see where the machine takes us! If you missed Part 1, you can listen to it here: The Gig Economy Is Booming Will this continue to grow? Will contract-work increase? Jason points out that not everyone is wired to be a business owner. It’s a big step and can be more complicated...
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File 20: In today’s file, the team will discuss the future of work, namely the changes to where and how we’ll work, in the not too distant future. In an effort to lighten up the topic, we let AI draft the outline for this file. Jason and Molley haven’t seen the outline. We’ll see where the machine takes us! Companies Will Adapt to Remote Work to Survive? There’s been a lot of chatter about the return-to-office trend. How will this affect the workforce? Molley suggests that top talent may decide to seek other companies allowing its teams at least...
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File 19: In today’s file, the entire team is back in the studio. They welcome Wendy Hall to discuss showing you the money. She is an Employee Benefits Advisor for USI Insurance Services. The group discusses the impact of taking an innovative approach to employee benefit programs. There are ways to do this in a very, cost-effective manner. Meet Wendy Hall Wendy has spent many years in focusing in the areas of employee benefits and HR. Her passion is helping employers create a motivated and engaged workforce through effective benefits plan, without breaking...
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File 18: In today’s file, Molley and Jamie address the topic that is extremely relevant, now that the presidential inauguration has taken place and the new administration begins implementing its policies. It’s a good time to discuss how organizations navigate uncertainty. Whenever there’s a transition in the White House, how work works, changes. Let’s look at some helpful tips to help you lead your organization through this period of change. We’ve Been Here Before Jamie and Molley note that over their careers in HR, the fact of the matter is that we’ve...
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File 17: In today’s file, we begin Season 2 of the podcast. Today, the team welcomes Tiffany Nugent, an HR practitioner for over 20 years. The discussion is going to focus on leadership and wellness. They’ll explore the challenge of creating a wellness-focused organization. Meet Tiffany Nugent Tiffany has experience in a broad range of industry sectors, including retail, manufacturing, fulfillment, healthcare and healthcare technology. She led a healthcare organization through a rapid-growth phase, then through the COVID pandemic. Afterwards, she...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2024 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. In this segment, we interview Daro Mott, a Multisector Leader with a wide-ranging background in process improvement and strategic consulting. He currently serves as the Head of Strategic Projects and Process Improvement for Farm Credit Mid-America. He co-presented, at the 2024 KY SHRM, on the topic of Demystifying Project Management for the HR Professional. To learn more,...
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The Workforce Therapy Files team attended the 2024 Kentucky SHRM Conference, in Louisville. We took the opportunity to interview over 20 professionals who stopped by our booth. In this segment, we interview Natalie Middaugh, President and CEO of Kentuckiana Health Collaborative. They area a non-profit coalition of employers and other healthcare stakeholders. The organization has been around for 24 years. They focus on improving communities through high-quality, affordable and equitable healthcare. They assist employers to design healthcare benefit...
info_outlineFile 22: In today’s file, the team welcomes Amy Rudy, the Founder of Impact Sales Systems, to discuss the challenge of staying relevant in your industry or field and growing your knowledge, skills and abilities. It’s also going to require a level of resilience to remain agile in the future of work.
In case you missed them, the previous 2 episodes focused on The Future of Work. Click the below links to listen:
Meet Amy Rudy
Amy is a sales and sales management coach. She works with business owners and sales teams on the behaviors behind selling. She often works with solely-owned and closely-owned businesses. Prior to launching Impact Sales Solutions, Amy founded a software development firm that built custom solutions for specialized challenges facing both small businesses and Fortune 500 companies.
The Gap Left when a Founder Leaves the Organization
Amy explains that a successful business will often outgrow the skill set that enabled it to launch and grow, in the early days. This is especially true of a business that had a sole owner/founder. It works for a while, but because so much of what makes the organization unique is tied to the knowledge, skills and relationships of that individual, it may be difficult to export that talent to a larger team.
As the team attempts to take shape, the initial inertia can slow and leave the team wondering how it can regain the momentum and direction.
Managing the Transition
It may be a case of the leader wanting to retire or exit in 15 years, or so. However, when Amy is approached with the idea of accelerating that exit to 18 months or less, it’s virtually impossible. Now the exit can definitely take place, but it’s a question of how stable the company was built to withstand the event.
It’s a matter of being strategic with the decision. If new leaders are beginning to surface and take on some of the responsibilities, they may be willing to do even more. There’s already a sense of forward motion occurring. The reality is often smaller companies are managed and controlled (along with the decision-making). This environment may work well for the leader, but the rest of the organization is underprepared to move beyond that individual; even to survive after the exit. Is the organization ready to operate with a business-mindset, rather than as a personal checkbook?
Amy recommends planning for succession much earlier that people often assume is necessary.
The Importance of Creating Succession Plans
Jason asks about how this is initiated and developed. Amy comments that it’s a question of whether the organization needs “more of same” or needs to pivot. If the company needs more of the same approach, then documenting work processes and operations would make sense.
Amy prefers to begin by asking the client(s) to describe their future. What does FutureCo look like? How much revenue will it produce? How much volume will be required to generate that revenue? Is it truly more of same or is it different? Will it need to move faster? Will the problems be more complex?
She also challenges the client(s) to consider the required capabilities. Describe the necessary skills to operate at those levels and in those areas. How much cash will FutureCo require to operate at those levels? It’s a matter of really attempting to define what the intended future will look like.
Once you have that vision defined, Amy notes that the business needs to measure where they are today, using the same metrics, for CurrentCo. When accurately performed, a true gap-analysis provides valuable insights. Leaders should then involve the people around them to figure out what needs to be done differently to become FutureCo, as envisioned.
One of the underlying challenges becomes reality when the new leader steps into the role, but the insight and resulting roadmap doesn’t exist, because it walked out the door inside the previous leader’s head. This can echo throughout company leadership as people begin to protect what they know. There’s no real knowledge transfer and the organization becomes stuck, or worse yet, begins to regress.
It may not be a question of who the organization replaces “Steve” with another Steve (e.g. more of same). Maybe Steve hit his performance ceiling. It’s it possible that moving forward will require a different kind of leader who can take what Steve began and effectively navigate into the future?
Jason and Amy discuss the view that, “It worked, so why change it?” Assessing whether it’s still working and will it work in the future are importantly different questions. While this is a difficult conversation to have, Amy observes that there are people at the table who want to be part of the conversation, but unfortunately are not always given the opportunity to contribute their ideas, perspectives and innovation to the situation.
Having a level of transparency among all leadership roles should mean that everyone can contribute. Unfortunately, people become accustomed to waiting to be told what to do next, rather than helping to define what actually needs to be done next.
However, if a business owner can adopt that mindset and begin encouraging those additional points of views, true progress can be made toward actively planning and preparing for FutureCo.
Planning Remains Important
Amy reinforces the need to have solid roles and responsibilities enabling people to communicate what and how they’re going to proceed, while enabling the organization to measure that progress is important. It’s about accountability and results. This is especially true in sales. Enable to individuals to own the role and own the goal.
Are there Trends in the Skills Gaps?
Jason asks Amy if there seem to be a set of trends she notices in the workforce? Technology is advancing incredibly quickly. Technical skills involving office tools, such as spreadsheets, could enable people to analyze large data sets on their own. There seems to be a gap in this area.
Additionally, Amy recognizes gaps are apparent in:
· - Negotiating
· - Forecasting & Planning
· - Accounting
· - Account-level Planning
· - Questioning
· - Navigating the Way Forward
Are your sales people neglecting the sales tools and simply waiting for leads to be generated for them? Are they consistently initiating contacts and cultivating referral-relationships? Even an excellent marketing machine will only generate a certain percentage of leads. The individual network a professional can cultivate could generally exceed that. Is it being developed, effectively and consistently?
Amy points out that while marketing can plant seeds in the minds of a target audience, sales has to be there exploring those opportunities with those prospective clients. That requires an understanding of the prospect’s business, as well as their own. This is a definite skills gap.
Is This the Greatest Gaps Amy Sees in Her Client Base?
Amy begins by confirming it’s fixable. Understanding how a business makes money and where the problems typically exist is vital. It’ll help to identify the problem you solve and how that impacts the prospect’s P&L.
One of the issues is that business owners may not be focused on developing that talent within their respective staffs. Do those sales professionals know how to think like a business owner? Does the business owner share their own P&L to provide insights and to demonstrate the relationships between the line items? Is the business owner training them to make decisions like a business owner?
How to Improve the Job Description and/or Interview Process to Identify those Gaps
Having worked with Molley and Jamie, Amy is confident business owners may not know the skills they need or what will need to be different to move them toward FutureCo. Often the descriptions are copied from previous versions.
Amy leads clients through an assessment of the specific skill sets the company needs. The list could be extensive. It’s critical to understand the skills and why they’re important to the specific role in question. Does the candidate have the proper mindset to sell into a C-Suite verses a different client base? This may be a key, differentiating factor.
Amy recommends having the gaps identified in what’s required verses those your best candidate brings. This way, on day one, you already know where you need to upskill or equip him/her for success in your marketplace. There’s no such thing as 100% fit. There’s always a gap that can be addressed. How do you create the opportunities to enable the individual to close the that gap and any others that are apparent?
Can Companies Define What Success Looks Like for Their New Hires?
Jamie asks this question based on the premise that it’s easier to identify the skills that are needed rather than what those skills are meant to deliver. Amy recommends including interview questions focused on how the candidate can demonstrate their skills to a prospective employer.
Amy goes on to explain that if the leader’s goals for the organization are overly general, or vague, they haven’t broken down what it would actually take to be successful in that role. An overreliance on the dashboard may mask specific behaviors that ultimately result in the metrics that show up on the dashboard. For instance, how does a sales professional plan his/her weekly activities, how they conduct their conversations, do they sound like a traditional sales rep or more like an advisor who is equipped with insights and knowledge to help the prospective client?
Jason comments on the talent and skills an effective sales professional brings to the role. He admits that he’s challenged during interviews with prospective sales candidates, because he leads them too much with his questioning. Many business owners and managers often get sold during the interview, only to discover that individual isn’t exactly what they thought, before hiring them.
The other challenge, Jason observes, is that the owner or manager fails to manage their new sales hire through the gaps.
Advice to Prepare to Interview Someone for a Sales Role
Amy leads with an admonition to stop validating yourself and force them to validate themselves. You should be transparent, but you still need to test for fit instead of focusing on selling the candidate on the job opportunity.
The hiring process should result in a mutual selection. Again, be transparent about the current situation within the company and its market environment. Is your organization anticipating a period of significant changes? Is your market leadership making you a target for your competitors? Define the necessary skills for the company to be successful and then provide the candidate an opportunity to demonstrate those specific skills and aptitudes.
It’s not inappropriate to ask them to bring examples of how they’d plan their week. This is especially important for remote work.
Undertraining, even a seasoned sales professional, is a key reason they may be looking for a new opportunity. Simply dumping that individual into a situation and requiring them to figure it out (e.g. sink or swim) is a recipe for failure. As the team discussed in File 8, there’s a value to a well-designed and executed on-boarding program.
Jason points out that often the person hiring for the role may not have direct experience having been in that role, so they don’t know what they should ask and how to respond to the answers provided.
Amy describes her surprise with how long it takes for an owner to begin discussing the earnings potential, during the interview. A typical sales professional is going to key in on that aspect of the discussion. At the same time, has the leader developed a solid understanding relationship between the compensation and the cost of the product or service. This topic should be covered very early in the engagement.
What Do the Skill Sets of Successful Sale Professionals Look Like in the Future?
Molley asks what should be expected as we continue to look forward. It’s imperative that sales professionals have and continue to develop strategic mindset activities. The sales team should evolve into an advisory resource for company leadership. The resulting collaborative approach can help to identify deficits in features/capabilities. It can also provide insights into the profitability of what’s actually being sold. A trusted feedback loop will also provide information on how the competition is adjusting to your offering.
In reality, Amy often observes the skills gap may actually be in the leadership seats. It goes back to whether the owner or leader knows how to build a cohesive team who know how to properly define where the organization needs to go, how it’s going to get there and the resource required for the journey.
Relying too much on the automation, to the detriment of actually knowing what the detailed activities truly are, is a challenge for some leaders. Automation is a tool; not an answer.
The pace of change is accelerating. Focus your leadership team on finding ways to look further down the road that your competition my currently be doing. Challenge them to develop the most effective plan to get there and hold people accountable for the results.
Would You Like to Contact Amy Rudy?
Website: https://www.impactsalessystems.com/
Phone: (502) 589-2139
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