502-How to Win an Argument: Interview with Dr. Kevin Downing

Arguments that spiral out of control often leave behind words no one meant and wounds that take time to heal. Escalation may feel like “getting it all out,” but according to our guest today, it is actually poison to a marriage.

Dr. Kevin Downing, founder of Turning Point Counseling in Southern California, has spent decades helping couples, pastors, and families find healthier ways to connect. His insights on escalation, self-control, and parenting bring both biblical grounding and practical tools.

Why Escalation Is “Pure Poison” That Often Leads to Divorce

Research from Dr. John Gottman revealed that the type of conflict in marriage can predict divorce. The number one predictor? Escalation.

When escalation takes over, brain scans show that the logical, rational side of the brain shuts down. That’s why conversations in anger lead to slammed doors, reckless words, or ultimatums. With half the brain offline, no real problem-solving can happen.

We often think that the “truth” does comes out during these heated moments of escalation, and sometimes spouses even push each other to the brink in an attempt to "get the truth out." But the reality is, this isn't so. The words spoken at the peak of anger are not reliable and usually bring regret. As Dr. Downing explained, escalation is pure poison for marriage.

The Fruit of the Spirit in Your Marriage

Scripture gives a different path. Galatians 5 teaches that self-control is a fruit of the Spirit.

Self-control means more than biting one’s tongue; it is the Spirit’s power to respond with gentleness when provoked. It is choosing a soft answer when the flesh screams for retaliation. This is what keeps hearts tender and marriages safe.

Practical Tools for De-Escalation

Dr. Downing offered practical tools couples can use immediately:

• Use “I” language. Instead of “You’re losing it,” say, “I need a few minutes to calm down. I promise to return.”

• Pause at night. Words like, “I love you. I’m not going anywhere. I’m sure we can work this out” create security before sleep.

• Reassure often. A 10-second “wedding-vow refresh” can melt deep insecurity: “You’re my one and only—for better or worse, for life.”

• Don’t debate history. Replace “I remember it better than you” with “We have different recollections.” Then drop it.

• Offer a new experience. Arguments rarely change minds, but kindness does. Just as a restaurant replaces a meal instead of defending reviews, a spouse can create change by responding with love instead of debate.

How to Be on the Same Page about Parenting

Conflict in parenting can be just as destructive if spouses are not aligned.

But, Dr. Downing emphasized that parenting plans should not be created in the heat of a crisis. An argument is not the time to create a parenting plan, just like the middle of a storm is not the time to create a rain plan. You want to do these things outside of the state of chaos.

Instead, couples should sit down calmly after the crisis is done and start with the big picture. What goals do you have for your children? You may ask yourselves:

• Do we want our children to be God-loving?

• Self-supporting?

• Respectful?

• Loving toward siblings and connected to church?

Agreeing on these goals allows a united front in daily decisions. One of the greatest gifts for children is seeing parents present a unified approach. Correcting a spouse in front of the kids undermines authority and invites manipulation. Behind closed doors, differences can be discussed and resolved without giving children the leverage to divide.

The Two-Minute Timeout

Dr. Downing also shared a simple, powerful discipline tool for parenting: the two-minute timeout.

When a child disobeys, responds disrespectfully, or hits a sibling, the consequence is two minutes with two questions:

1. Why were you in timeout?

2. Will this behavior happen again today or tonight?

To establish safety and connection, younger children are also given a hug afterward.

This short, consistent approach helps children take ownership while keeping parents calm. It prevents long punishments that discourage, as well as shouting matches that model escalation. In fact, the timeout often benefits the parent just as much—allowing emotions to cool so rational thinking returns.

By the time children reach their teens, the drill is so familiar that a simple question—“Do you need a timeout?”—is usually enough to prompt self-correction.

Final Thoughts

Every couple disagrees sometimes, and every parent has those chaotic moments—but they don’t have to end in distance or regret. Escalation will always push hearts apart, but Spirit-led self-control and kindness can draw them close again.

The beautiful truth is that transformation doesn’t always come through big, complicated steps. Often it’s the small, intentional choices—pausing before speaking, offering reassurance instead of accusation, giving a child two minutes to reset—that shift the entire atmosphere of a home.

Each moment of choosing gentleness over escalation is an invitation for God’s presence to flood your marriage and your family.

You can do this.

God bless you!

 

With love,

The Delight Your Marriage Team

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