EP 235: “Hold Nothing” - Radical Forgiveness, Daily Stillness, and Finding Stability with Elena Brower
Sex Birth Trauma with Kimberly Ann Johnson
Release Date: 10/08/2025
Sex Birth Trauma with Kimberly Ann Johnson
Kimberly is joined by luminary thinker Dr. Betty Martin as they discuss the evolution and impact of the Wheel of Consent, a vanguard model for enthusiastic consent, asking for what you want, and living out embodied intimacy. Dr. Martin, who developed the model, shares her journey from creating the wheel through her hands-on workshops to writing a book so the wheel may reach an even larger audience, with Kimberly noting just how deep of an impact Betty’s work has had on Kimberly’s teaching and offerings. They explore the challenges of enthusiastic consent, the importance of feeling with...
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In this episode, Kimberly and Elena discuss and reflect on their life experiences through nearly two decades of knowing one another. They discuss radical forgiveness for our families of origin, the importance of stillness and meditation, children leaving the home, and menopause. They also discuss what led Elena to write her upcoming book “Hold Nothing,” which offers stories and prompts as an artful contemplative guide towards personal, daily practice for self-discovery and self-wisdom. Kimberly reads powerful excerpts aloud, and you can preorder the book in the link below. Bio Elena...
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Bio Michel Odent, MD, is a French obstetrician trained as a general surgeon known for his tireless research on how environmental factors present during pregnancy and birth affect babies, children, and our communities. He is the founder of the Primal Health Research Centre and authored the first articles on the initiation of lactation and the use of birthing pools. He has authored 15 books and passed on August 19, 2025. What He Shares: Why birth is an important subject not only for birth workers, but for all people interested in the future of our species. Why the period of birth is a...
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In this episode, Kimberly and Sarah Wildeman dive into the importance of community and relational support and the experiences that led each of them to prioritize community building so centrally in each of their lives. Sarah shares her journey from a communal Christian upbringing to building her own “space of welcome” as an adult. Both Kimberly and Sarah emphasize the need for practical community-building practices, balancing personal needs with community support, and the challenges of maintaining a village in today’s world. Sarah's "Our Common Life" program offers a four-month course to...
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On this episode, Kimberly and, author, artist, and researcher, Jamie Mustard dive deep into Jamie’s childhood in Scientology and his healing and research quest to understand his complex childhood PTSI (Post-Traumatic Stress Injury). This conversation moves between Mustard’s autobiographical story, which features heavily in his upcoming novel Child X and graphic novel Hybred, in addition to his previous research into trauma that stemmed from a transformative experience with Stellate Ganglion Block (SGB) treatment. After benefitting so deeply from the treatment, Jamie spent years researching...
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In this episode, Kimberly and Bethany discuss their reflections and experiences of attachment and mothering their adult children. Bethany describes changes in how she viewed herself and parenting while her daughter became an adult herself while Kimberly shares her experiences mothering her daughter who is about to move out of their home for the first time. They share challenges, frustrations, and confusing moments around their attachment and parenting, particularly as they age themselves. As most parenting content focuses on the early years, this conversation reveals the nuances of what...
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Summary In this episode, Kimberly interviews her favorite podcast guest–her daughter Cece! Cece’s last podcast episode was four years ago, so she shares her reflections around graduating highschool, her college application process, and her experiences as being Kimberly’s daughter. She also turns the mic back to Kimberly to ask Kimberly her own reflections on life’s various stages, single parenting, and what she wants her work to look like after Cece flies the nest. Bio Cece, Kimberly's daughter, is a 17 year old high school graduate and vocalist. What She Shares:...
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In this episode, Kimberly switches roles to be in the interviewee seat herself while Elisa asks and reflects about Kimberly’s Mothering the Bones retreats. They just finished one retreat in Wales and reflect on how moving and transformative it was for the gathering to be holding one another. They also discuss the origins of Mothering the Bones–how Kimberly came to this work and why she feels it is the apex of all of her expertise, knowledge, and purpose. Bio Elisa Mary Haggarty is an Executive and Conscious Leadership Coach, host of The Soul Podcast, and fellow jaguar. She coaches...
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In this episode, Kimberly and Alex discuss his extensive background in working with children on the Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). He spent much of those years taking a non-traditional approach from just behavioral to prioritizing fun and community. This work led him to keenly understanding the importance of local agriculture, nutrition, and the gut-brain connection, and eventually he began working as an animal butcher and supporting his wife’s work, The Wild Nutritionist. Aspects of their discussion are connected through the thread of the importance of holistic care for ASD individuals as...
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In this episode, Kimberly and Kathryn discuss Kathryn’s work in Jungian psychology, psychotherapy, embodiment, and body image. Kathryn walks us through her workbook which is designed to help women understand how much body image issues are distractions from feelings of anxiety and ambivalence about their lives. Instead, she describes how to create the capacity to unearth more deeply rooted thoughts, feelings, and sensations in our psyches and our bodies. Bio Kathryn Holt, PhD, LCSW, is a depth psychologist and writer. She completed her PhD in Jungian/Archetypal Studies at Pacifica...
info_outlineIn this episode, Kimberly and Elena discuss and reflect on their life experiences through nearly two decades of knowing one another. They discuss radical forgiveness for our families of origin, the importance of stillness and meditation, children leaving the home, and menopause. They also discuss what led Elena to write her upcoming book “Hold Nothing,” which offers stories and prompts as an artful contemplative guide towards personal, daily practice for self-discovery and self-wisdom. Kimberly reads powerful excerpts aloud, and you can preorder the book in the link below.
Bio
Elena Brower is a mother, mentor, poet, artist, volunteer, bestselling author, and podcast host. She is a celebrated international yoga and meditation teacher on Glo, guiding transformative practices since 1999. Her books include the “Art of Attention: A Yoga Practice Workbook for Movement as Meditation,” bestselling journal “Practice You and Being You” her collection of poetry entitled “Softening Time,” along with her courses, classes, and talks, explore stages of studentship, practice, life, and listening. Her latest book “Hold Nothing” investigates what it means to let go of narratives and return to the spacious emptiness within. She also has a column on Substack and podcast Practice You. She offers weekly classes and is a candidate in Upaya’s Chaplaincy Training. She volunteers in hospice and penitentiary settings, bringing yoga, meditation, and compassionate presence to her local and broader communities.
What She Shares:
–Forgiveness, repair and acceptance
–Practice of daily stillness and stability
–Powerful excerpts from new book
–Excerpts read from new book “Hold Nothing”
What You’ll Hear:
–What sticks with Kimberly from Elena’s teachings
–Elena forgiving mother
–Mercy and forgiveness for family of origen
–Holding onto grudges instead of real repair
–Impacting our actual spheres
–Incentivizing holding grudges long-term in culture
–Having direct contact with the present
–In contact with body as medicine
–Everyone doing their best at all times
–Making our consciousness transparent to ourselves
–Why Elena wanted to write a new book
–Meditations and personal writings
–Universal permission slip to be tender with ourselves
–How stories, prompts, and artwork came about
–Impact of writing in present tense
–Getting reader in scene that unfolds as if happening presently
–Reading excerpt from book on uncertainty
–Daily sitting in stillness to allow thoughts to emerge
–Importance of humility in work
–Addressing accusations, controversies, and publicness
–Importance of relationships, close inner-circle, close proximity
–Bringing down women taking initiatives to serve
–Evolving definition of family
–Staying present and listening during hard conversations
–Children leaving home for college
–Mothering young adults
–Conflicting emotions with children leaving home
–Advice for mothers in new paradigm shifts
–Kimberly’s fresh experience taking Cece to college
–Opening to stability
–Stabilizing principle at center of every circumstance
–Turning chaos to stability
–Working in a vacuum to focus on own work
–Addressing issues of AI as writers and teachers
–Focus, devotion, returning to what matters
–Menopausal transitions with weights, HRT, supplements, sleep, friends
–Regulating nervous system through menopause
–Elena’s Matter of Menopause podcast for menopause education
–Kimberly’s underworld experience of menopause
–Hormones are gods
–Preorder upcoming book “Hold Nothing”
Resources
Website: https://elenabrower.com/ and https://elenabrower.com/menopause/
IG: @elenabrower
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